Ang mensahe ni Capt. Nicanor Faeldon sa taumbayan na kanyang pinapa-abot sa pamamagitan ng kanyang abogado, si Atty. Roel Pulido ay: “Hindi makukulong ng bakal na rehas ang pakikibakang umusbong na.”
Sa website ni Faeldon (www.pilipino.org.ph), may statement doon na nagsasabi na ang pagkahuli sa kanya noong Biyernes ng gabi ay hindi nangangahulugan na tapos na ang laban.
“Nang sinimulan niya ito, nangako siyang hindi siya titigil sa paglalaban upang makamit ang isang kapani-paniwalang pamahalaan. Matatapos lamang ang kanyang laban kung siya ay papatayin o kung ang taumbayan ay susuko na rin,” sinabi doon sa kanyang website.
May itinuwid silang impormasyon. Sinabi kasi ng military na nahuli si Faeldon kasama ang kanyang girlfriend na si Capt. Candelaria Rivas, spokesperson ng Judge Advocate General Office.
Sabi doon sa kanyang website: Si Capt Rivas ay isa sa mga opisyal na kausap ni Faeldon. Hindi niya girlfriend. “Ikinahihiya namin na bumaba na sa level ng tsismis ang AFP.”
Ito ay nagpapatunay lamang na hindi nag-iisa si Faeldon. May kasama siya sa kanyang laban. Kung sino itong kanyang mga kasama at kung ilan sila, hindi natin alam.
Apat na po’t apat rin na araw ang nakalipas mula nang tumakas si Faeldon noong Dec. 14 habang dinidinig ang kanilang kaso tungkol sa Oakwood mutiny noong Hulyo 2003. Sa sobra isang buwan na ‘yun, naka pag bukas siya ng website kung saan hinihikayat niya ang taumbayan sa na hindi suportahan ang pekeng at kurakot na administrasyon ni Arroyo.
Nakapag-ikot na rin siya sa mga iba’t ibang kampo, ayon sa video clips na kanyang ipinapadala sa media na makikita rin sa kanyang website.
Ang pagtakas ni Faeldon ay nasundan ng pagtakas ng apat na Magdalo officers mula sa kanilang kulungan sa Fort Bonifacio. Hindi tayo sigurado kung sila ay magkasama o iba naman ang operasyon ng apat.
Maala-ala natin na nangyari ang Oakwood mutiny dahil sa sinabi nilang katiwalian sa military kung saan nagpasasa ang mga matataas na opisyal samantalang ang mga sundalo ay halos walang pambiling boots at kinukulang ng gamot at pagkain.
Ang anomalya na kinasangkutan ni Gen. Carlos Garcia, dating AFP comptroller, ay nagpatunay na totoo ang hinaging ng mga rebeldeng sundalo.
Siyempre naman setback sa mga lumalaban kay Arroyo ang pagkahuli ni Faeldon.
Ibig din sabihin noon talagang pina-paigting ng military ang kanilang operasyon laban sa mga suspetsang gustong patalsikin si Gloria Arroyo.
Ang mga kumukontra kay Arroyo ay may pinaglalaban na prinsipyo: katotohanan na siyang sandigan ng ating pamumuhay. May isyu sila: kurakutan sa pamahalaan. Nadagdagan pa ito ng pandaraya noong eleksyon 2004 na ginamit ni Arroyo ang ilan sa mga matataas na opisyal ng military at ng pulis. Ito ay labag sa katungkulan ng sundalo.
Ano naman ang pinaninindigan ng mga kumakampi kay Arroyo? Pansariling interes?
Ano kaya ang mananalo sa laban ng lakas at katotohanan?
(Ang litrato sa itaas ay kuha nang unang pagka-kulong kay Capt. Faeldon. Galing sa kanyang website.)
Malaman sana ng mga kinauukulan na walang mababago ang pagkakahuli nila sa mga naninindigan para sa katotohanan at tunay na reporma.Nadakip man si Capt. Faeldon ay patuloy pa rin ang aming suporta sa kanya at sa lahat ng mga Pilipinong sawa na sa bulok na sistema ng pulitika sa ating bayan.
Mabuhay Tayong Lahat,
A.D.
Ang sabi ni Manny Pacquiao ay may kakaibang kahulugan na dapat basahin nating maigi ang nais iparating ng Peoples Champ sa Masang Pilipino…
“sana magkaisa ang mga kababayan natin, kahit wala akong laban.”
Sana nga po talagang magkaisa na ang lahat ng Pilipino para mapaalis yang si GMA dyan sa Malacanang.
Napapabalitang nais ni Pidal na idaos sa Pilipinas ang susunod na laban ni Manny…
Masaya man sana na gawin sa Pilipinas ang laban ni Manny(courtesy ni Pidal) pero nakakabahala kasi nandyan si Garci. Kung hindi rin lang mapapabagsak ni Manny ang kalaban
ay tiyak magreklamo ang kampo ng makakalaban at sabihing nadagdag bawas sila ni Garci.
hindi makabuluhan sa akin kung girlfriend o hindi si Capt. Rivas (wala naman sila sa showbiz). ang mahalaga ngayon ay mapangalagaan ang karapatang pagkatao ni Faeldon at Rivas habang nasa kamay ng pamahalaan. nasa eksena na ba ang mga ‘human rights organizations’?
exactly cvj, nasaan na nga ba ang mga “human rights organizations” na yan na madalas lumabas dati sa panahon ni erap?
the fight against this corrupt and illegitimate administration is bigger than any one person, including faeldon–and he’ll probably be the first person to probably tell you that.
and i’m sorry for nick. siguro ina-“abu ghraib” na siya ng mga bata ni Arroyo para idamay ang opposition, katulad nang ginawa ng mga pulis sa suspect (Philip Medal ang pangalan?) ng nida blanca murder case.
philip medel pala.
“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.”
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect their country from its government.”‘
“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” ~Thomas Jefferson
“In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ~ George Orwell
“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.” ~ Plato
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ~ Samuel Adams
“Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission?” ~ Patrick Henry’s “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” speech, March 23, 1775
“Never doubt that a small group of committed, thoughtful citizens can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” ~ Margaret Mead, American anthropologist
TAMA NA ANG GULO, SUNDIN ANG MGA OBISPO! Maganda. Maganda yung poster. Mamahalin. Bakit di natin iboykot naman ang CBCP? Wala na yata sa turo ng simbahang katoliko ang pinaggagawa na ni Arroyo anim na taon na nakalilipas, pero manhid pa rin sila. Mabuti pa yata yung si Bro. Eddie saka Bro. Ely, may pagpapahalaga sa bayan at may pakiramdam. Sa palagay ko, kapag nagsalita ang CBCP kontra kay Arroyo, wala nang magagandang poster na lalabas, at tapos na maliligayang araw nila. Thank you, Lord!
It is one thing to seize power in a coup. That is the relatively easy part. The more difficult thing is to hold on to power against challengers. Faeldon, like Abat, never attracted mass support from the people, neither did the entire armed forces rally around them. So even if Faeldon had seized power, it would have been a short-livedm regime. The other factions in the military would have ousted him in a counter coup in short order.
In fact that would have been the fate of the country; short-lived governments going out of power in an endless
series of coups and counter coups in Latin American style,
as each military faction with the support of the elites in our society, stage their own coup. That will not do the country any good. Instead of foreign investments flowing into the country, we will witness a capital flight like what happened after Ninoy’s assassination. The peso could sink to Php100 to $1.
Our country desperately needs change. But it has to be a more stable kind of change and for the better. We still
have in our country now an incipient revolution in search of leaders.
Capt. N. Faeldon’s arrest will not stop the people from fighting this fake administration. The more they will work to end the illegitimate occupant in malacanang. I challenge the Task Force Detainees of the Philippines to show their fair treatment to the imprisoned Faeldon. We all know he is a member of the military…but he is being detained for seeking changes. He is consider now a political detainee. Human rights organization should watch that the Oakwood mutinner will not be tortured. The CBCP’s statement is a welcome help to end this regime. It’s time to move now!!!
Mabuhay ang Sambayanang Pilipino!!!
Amb. H.C. Cruz…Sir, you’re right about the…”need for a more stable kind of change”…but the big qeustion is WHEN would it come? Would we wait until the whole nation”is already gasping”because the life-blood”that is supporting its existence has already been sucked-dry by this present administration? This February, GMA’s E-VAT(Revised, Upgraded, or whatever she wants to call it) would now be implemented…she and her cohorts were telling US it was necessary so that “a more better (take note of “more” and “better”, she really likes “superlativity”) service could be given to the people. Any taho vendor whose eyes are wide open to the truth would know that, this E-VAT was their way of recovering the expenditures that they have used during the last election…”NO-EL 2007″, she and her “gang” are really pushing for it not only because they’re scared that they would not win (ABALOS is still “D Comelec”), but simply because their Election-War Coffers”are still EMPTY..so Sir, which is better, to “try and take-out the tumor as early as possible, or to try and wait for a miracle”…respectfully yours.
Spartan,
It is important that any change that happens in our country
must be supported by the majority of the population. So even if it is for the worse the people themselves decided it
and they cannot blame any body. The change represented by
Faeldon and Abat never had the support of the majority of our people. The best proof of this is Faeldon was arrested.
If he has the support of the mass of the population he will never be caught. The people themselves will hide him.
This is the reason why Osama Bin Ladin has not been caught
up to now. The people of Pakistan and Afghanistan are obviously sheltering him.
You need leaders to effect change in society. Right now there is still no such leader in sight.
Amb. H.C. Cruz,
When the so-called EDSA2 happened, do you mean that it “happened because GLORIA was perceived as THE LEADER” that you’re talking about? HHHMMMMMMM…if that’s the case, I guess we REALLY have to just “make do” with HER…or else, we might end being the “crazy fish that jumped-out of the frying fan and into the blazing fire”.
Amb. H.C. Cruz,
When the so-called EDSA2 happened, do you mean that it “happened because GLORIA was perceived as THE LEADER” that you’re talking about? HHHMMMMMMM…if that’s the case, I guess we REALLY have to just “make do” with HER…or else, we might end being the “crazy fish that jumped-out of the frying fan and into the blazing fire”. Because certainly in my opinion, that’s what really happened…we stupid filipinos did not “made with what ERAP” had to offer for us..instead opted to “push” him out of that PALACE BY THE RIVER, and put a “Cutie” who turned-out to be a “GREMLIN” when she got “wet with POWER” (water being the FULL SUPPORT of the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE).
Amb. H.C. Cruz,
Take note:
>SUPPORT of the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE
ang total number of votes ba ni GMA noong Vice-President election May 1998 ang tinutukoy nyo?
Kailan ba nagkaroon ng “SUPPORT of the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE” si Gloria Macapagal Arroyo?
HUWAG TAYONG MAGPADALA SA MGA PROPAGANDA NG MGA PUBLIC RELATION FIRM
You are correct. When EDSA II happened, the majority of the people believed that GMA is the messiah. She turned out to be a false prophet. The majority of the people can be deceived for a while; but not all the time as Abraham
Lincoln said.
I have indicated in an earlier blog that this is the irony of history: The failure of GMA is helping her stay in power. But you cannot correct a mistake with another mistake and replace GMA with another false prophet. That is the reason why our kababayans are wary of another EDSA.
They want to get a real messiah if they are going to kick out GMA.
We are a country in deep trouble. We have no good choices
now, only bad choices. We have to choose between keeping
GMA in power or replacing her with another lemon. Actually
what is happening now is that most of our countrymen see
GMA as the lesser evil that is why we have no EDSA IV. Most
of you in this blog who want GMA out at any cost actually
represent the minority view in our society now. The majority are still waiting for the right leader to emerge.
Someone somewhere mentioned about the search for a martyr ala-Ninoy Aquino for a more genuine Filipino people’s power sans any meddling super power to remove not just a tyrant but a CRIMINAL.
I wonder if Faeldon is the one the Filipinos are looking for as a rallying symbol of this movement to oust a CRIMINAL, who even threatens to stop election to insure her permanent stay in the palace by the murky river, and a martyr to unite Filipinos more in the calibre of Dr. Jose P. Rizal over a hundred years ago than Ninoy Aquino, who, for me, was simply used by vested interests to get back at Marcos and repossess what he took from them; never a symbol of unity, for his death actually resulted in more fragmentation and division of the Filipino people, and worst total mistrust of the Filipinos in general in their government that the CRIMINAL finds to her advantage and accentuates even by her pretentious call for unity!
Let the CRIMINAL, therefore, not be too confident that when the Filipinos have come to the limit of their endurance, they would still be the kind of “hilong talilong” that the palace lackeys want to portray the members of movements now asking for their boss’ removal.
Over here, a lot many Filipinos will definitely support any movement that will bring back the Philippines in the course toward progress, not perdition by removing the Mother of Lies and Deceit just as Satan is the Father of Lies and Deceit!
Mabuhay ka Faeldon! A grateful nation will surely remember your sacrifices unlike the CRIMINAL, who will hopefully face her jurors soon, and will surely be remembered in history as the usurper who deserves a death ala-Marie Antoinette, not Joan of Arc as lip-served by the Philippine equivalent of Rasputin who cannot be a Douglas MacArthur!
Itong si Tsunano at Tabako talaga, gaya-gaya hindi naman kaya!
The recent arrest of Faeldon revealed that he has also been spreading disinformation which has not been confirmed by events. Firstly, he does not have the mass support base
to launch a successful revolution. As I stated, it would have been impossible to locate him if the mass of the population are hiding him. Secondly, if he has widespread support in the military, he would not have been arrested by his colleagues in the military. The scenario should have been as follows :
Gen. Senga sends out a team to arrest Faeldon, the team instead of arresting Faeldon, joins him. They then reverse their course and march to Crame or Fort Bonifacio and arrest Senga instead. At that point GMA will see the handwriting and I am sure she would have fled the country
like FM.
There are many historical parallels to support this scenario. In 1991 the coup plotters in Moscow ordered the
KGB and the military to arrest Boris Yeltsin. Instead both
units joined Yeltsin. Earlier in history, Napoleon was
a prisoner (just like Faeldon) in the Island of Elba. He escaped and went to France. The military unit sent to arrest him instead put themselves at the service of Napoleon.
Our kababayans are knowledgeable in history, we should not underestimate them. They must have noted that Faeldon, unlike Yeltsin or Napoleon, did not have the support needed to take over the country. So don’t count of the major part of our population rallying to Faeldon’s banner.
On the contrary, one does not have to be a Napoleon to be able to inspire a mass rebellion. In fact, there must have been a lot many people like you during Rizal’s time who actually said similar things about him that you are now saying about Faeldon despite evidences that he was in fact considered as a rallying symbol of the Katipunan in the same way that Faeldon is now most likely to become a symbol of this fight against an oppressive rule of a criminal, who should have long been disqualified for evidently violating the Election Code of the Philippines.
The same is true with how the unlearned Bonifacio was regarded by those who must have laughed at him for not having gone to school and received a formal education, and his movement dominated by peasants who only had their bolos and some stolen guns to fight the Spaniards with in the same way Mike Defensor belittles the capacity of these modern-day Katipuneros to battle with what he claims to be more equipped AFP.
Please give more credit to Filipino ingenuity and survival instinct so much that once they have reached the limit of their endurance, undoutedly there would be no letting up and Mike Defensor’s wish of a bloodbath for his queen would be a reality.
It is apparently just a matter of time. Heaven forbid!
BTW, I remember you, Ambassador Cruz when you were DCM at the Philippine Embassy in Tokyo.
As you know, over here, a scandal of the same nature and gravity as the scams being committed by the principal performer in the “Hello Garci” tapes will mean a lot of self-defecations by hanging oneself in a hotel bathroom or jumping from a roof.
Just imagine the number of bodies to be counted if these crooks would have the guts to make amends by doing such thing to redeem honor and self-esteem. Unfortunately, the Filipinos, in general, do not have such culture of self destruction as a form of Mea Culpa.
Otherwwise, there would be no need for an armed rebellion or making someone like Faeldon to be a rallying symbol of this movement to remove crooks like the incumbent, because there would be nobody anymore to hang. shoot or execute with a lethal injection!
You are correct Yuko, we never learned how to use Mt. Mayon
properly the way the Japanese use Mt. Fuji; as a suicide
spot for corrupt politicians.
Rizal and Bonifacio cannot be replicated. They are historical figures who have transcended history. Their ideas are far ahead of their time and helped sparked the
Revolution against Spain. I do not know if Faeldon has written a single work that will inspire the masses and put him in the stature of Rizal and Bonifacio. He may be able to do it in the future, that remains to be seen.
Just imagine how Colonel Honasan escaped from his prison ship in Manila Bay together with his guards by using the rubber boats.
Isipin nyo na lang kung papaano nakumbinsi ni Honasan ang mga nagbabantay sa kanya na sumama sa kanyang pagtakas.
Writing a book or poem to inspire the masses is an old school.Si Robin Padilla nga eh, gustong gusto ng masa.
Ayan ang hirap sa inyong mga nagkukunwaring intelektwal, kailangan munang mahuli ang kiliti nyo para may ilalagay na naman kayo sa pedestal.
Let us not expect the leader that will lead us out of the quagmire that we are to emerge before Gloria Arroyo is toppled. He or she will emerge in a clean and honest elections that will be held post-Arroyo.
The problem confronting us now is how to remove Arroyo from the position she is illegally holding? The way I see it, no one person would lead us in the fight. In fact, the opposition would not be able to do much.
It’s Gloria Arroyo who will destroy herself. All evil things will have to come to an end.
Ellen,
Let us talk about the leaders who are identified as great revolutionaries. There are two groups. Let us talk about the first group.
Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin and add Fidel Castro if you wish.
What do they have in common other than being bloody dictators? They are all charismatic orators. They can hold
audiences mesmerized for hours if needed. They are super
salesmen if you wish to state it that way. They sold their ideology no matter how outlandish their ideas, thru
sheer power of oratory.
Hitler’s ideology is racial purity of the Aryan race. No
anthropologist ( except those controlled by Hitler ) has ever identified what is an Aryan race. Mussolini’s agenda
was a return to the grandeur of the Roman Empire, that will mean Italy conquering all of Western Europe, North Africa
and the Middle East. The Italians did not ask how Mussolini could do it with a weak Italin military at his disposal. Lenin preached equality and a leveling of wages
paying the same to the industrious and the lazy. Nobody reminded him that with that policy every worker will become lazy. Which is what eventually happened in the Soviet Union. The workers “forgot how to work” in the words of
Mikhail Gorbachev.
You can call these revolutionaries con artists, but nonetheless they conned their peoples to believe in their ideology.
The seond group of revolutionaries are the soldier-statesmen
like George Washington, Simon Bolivar and Bernardo O’Higgins
in Latin America, Napoleon Bonaparte in France and Kemal
Ataturk in Turkey. They have glorious victories to show to their people that is probably the reason why they were able to lead their people towards speedy nation building.
Washington won the American Revolutionary War from the British. Bolivar and O’Higgins kicked out the Spaniards
from Latin America in battles that lasted for over six years. Napoleon’s military victories are well known. Ataturk expelled the British and the French from Gallipoli
in World War I. If Faeldon or any of our current miltary
leaders defeat the NPA, the Abu Sayyaf and the MILF is short order he will be a national hero. Ramon Magsaysay did that in the fifties when he defeated the Huks.
That is why it is not easy to produce revolutionary leaders.
They are a rare breed. It does not mean we cannot produce one. The danger with taking just any leader who comes along is it may lead to greater chaos. It may even lead to the Balkanization of the country with warlords and caudillos
emerging in each section of the country not under the control of a central authority. The Muslim groups in the South are in the best position to do this because they
are well organized now and are operating in their home territory.
I don’t think it’s a question of “choices” or GMA being seen as the “lesser evil”. The ‘choices’ issue is the reason being brag about by those closet pro-Gloria people in order to simulate an air of neutrality and the “lesser evil” scheme is the naked propaganda being promoted by the government to scare away people. Also, there is no such thing as “the majority still waiting for the right leader to emerge” because if tomorrow Gloria is ousted, the people will embrace the one who replaces her and will move on. I think what we have right now is a national procrastination hovering all over the country. Why are people procrastinating? Well, can’t blame them. In 2001, contrary to the claim of someone here that “the majority of the people believe GMA was the messiah” is simply incorrect. The majority did not actually want what happened to EDSA II. The only people who were happy for EDSA II was the people who are in EDSA who benefited on it and not the majority. Seeing then that the Constitution has been disregarded wantonly by people who are now in government and afterwards finding ourselves in a mess right now, the people cannot be blamed for hesitating to join any bandwagon in ousting Gloria simply because they don’t want to commit the same mistake again. Yes, they want Gloria to step down but they are hesitating to participate on it because of the backlash of EDSA II. Yes, they want Gloria to go but they want somebody else’s to do the shooing on her.
“CONTRARY TO THE CLAIM OF SOMEONE HERE”
Yes you are right!!!
Meron na namang conspiracy na GAGUHIN ang future generation na itong EDSA DOS daw ay mayroong “SUPPORT of the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE”
If you look into the history right after the “February 22-25 ’86” a.k.a. EDSA 1 , nagkaroon ang Pilipinas ng:
*Manila Hotel incident – July 1986
*November 1986 – GSQ plot
*GMA7 takeover by Col.Canlas – January 1987
*August 1987 – Honasan coup
*December 1989 coup
*Gov.Aguinaldo’s uprising in Cagayan – March 1990
*Colonel Noble in Northern Mindanao – September 1990
Kung iaanalisa ninyo ang mga sitwasyon na binanggit ko sa itaas, WALA dyan ang papel na ginampanan ng ‘broad coalition’ na nagsasabing may supporta ng taumbayan
Mapapansin din ang mga petsa ng pangyayari.Ito ay naganap sa loob mismo ng panunungkulan ni Cory.
KUNG HINDI NGA LANG LUMINDOL NOONG JULY 1990 AT PUMUTOK ANG BULKANG PINATUBO NOONG JUNE 1991 – malamang malaki ang pagkakakilala natin sa ‘Cory’s brand of Democracy’. O kaya naman ay baka nakakulong ngayon si Cory at pag-aari na ng estado ang HACIENDA LUISITA.
Magsilbing inspirasyon sana sa mga nag-aaral ng kasaysayan ang CULTURAL REVOLUTION sa China noong 1966-1976.
Ipagkumpara natin ang panunungkulan ni Marcos ng 20 taon , mula 1965-1985.
20 years after Martial law : 1972-1992???
20 years after the PSEUDO REVOLUTION: 1986-2006???
2-3 MONTHS AFTER ANOTHER PSEUDO REVOLUTION(Edsa Tres): January 2001 – March 2001
FILIPINOS DONT TREAT “Revolución” SERIOUSLY!!!
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Tinatanong ko nga ang sarili ko eh:
AKO BA TALAGA AY ISANG PILIPINO???
Amb. H.C. Cruz,
Sa totoo lang marami akong natututunan sa inyo.Maraming salamat!
Pero iyong sinasabi mo na charismatic leader – na magiging rallying point ng masang pilipino??? Nagkakamali kayo!
ALAM NAMAN NATIN DITO NA ANG KARAMIHAN SA MASANG PILIPINO AY MGA “LUMPEN”.
Kaya’t hwag na tayong umasa na magkakaroon ng liderato sa Pinas sa kalibre nina George Washington, Simon Bolivar, Bernardo O’Higgins at ibapang personalidad na binabanggit mo.
Isang RABUKA mula sa militar ang kailangan ng lipunan natin. Inihahalintulad ko ang Pinas sa bansang Fiji.
Dapat natin pag-aralan ang PSYCHE NG MASANG PILIPINO
Mahirap na mag alis ng lider sa pamaraan ng rebolusyon. Mas
malinis ang pagbabago kung ang gagamiting daan ay snap election. Madaming lider na puwedeng pumalit kaagad kay
GMA kung magkakaroon ng snap election. Ang karamihan ng
tao ay sang ayon sa pagpapaalis kay Erap noong EDSA II. Sa mga survey polls noon yoong lang E Voters and hindi tumiwalag sa suporta kay Erap. ABCD voters ay sangayon sa
pagpaalis sa kaniya.
Ang problema ng rebolusyon baka yoong makakuha ng kapangayarihan hindi na bitiwan. Maraming ehemplo niyan.
Si Fidel Castro ang pangako noong rebelde siya mag kakaroon ng eleksiyon kaagad. Hindi na nagkaroon ng eleksiyon ulit
sa Cuba magmula ng 1959. Hindi din bumuti ang buhay ng Cubano. Halos lahat sa kanila tumatakos para Florida.
Kung mangyayari iyan sa atin, kailangan panibagond rebolusyon para paalisin ang na sa kapangyarihan. Madugo
yan. Tingnan ninyo ang nangyari sa Liberia, Uganda, Kampuchea, etc.
Revolutions are for doers not talkers. You cannot make a revolution by talking about it. Those of you who believe that Faeldon or Abat is the solution to our country’s problems should go out into the streets and see how many will believe you that a military take over is the solution to our problems. You have the figures to work on.
According to the surveys, 65% of the people want GMA out.
The problem is most of these 65 % do not believe that Faeldon or Abat is the solution to our problems. See how
many of this 65% disatisfied with GMA you can convince to take the military solution.
You will need a hard sell. As somebody pointed out in an earlier blog, “Nobody trusts the military.” The lower down you go in the social strata the more unpopular is the military. The victims of abuses and human rights violations are the D and E voters, the
labor unionists and the peasants in the barrios. The situation in our country now is similar to Chile at the end of the Pinochet regime. The lower you are in the social totem pole the more likely you will hate the military because of human rights abuses. On the other hand the ABC voters also do not trust the military because of its corruption.
The only groups in our country which will welcome a military take over will be the NPA, the MNLF and the Abu
Sayyaf. It will make it easier for them to recruit new
members. This is what happened in the Marcos years.
The NPA and MNLF expanded enormously because of military
abuses during Martial Law.
So those of you who think a military take over will be good for the country, should try convincing our country men
that the military will solve our nation’s problems. See how far you can go.
Pugak,
Madami kang binanggit na insidente noong panahon ni Cory.
May nagtagumpay ba, nabuwag ba si Cory? Walang nagtagumpay
dahil hindi sumama ang bayan sa kanila. Kung si Honasan
halimbawa ay sinoportahan ng mamayan wala na and pamahalaan
ni Cory. Para maisagawa mo ang rebolusyon kailangang
ma konbinsi mo ang mamayan na sumama sa iyo. Yaan ang
sinasabi ko na kailangan tulungan ka ng majority ng
population natin. Kung hindi makukulong ka lang kamukha ni
Faeldon at ni Abat.
Ganoon din huwag kang gumawa ng konklusyon na ang paginisip mo tama. Kausapin mo ang mga huwelgista at mga magsasaka,
tanungin mo kung sang ayon sila sa military ang mamuno sa
bansa natin. Baka magulat ka sa sagot nila.
“Ang karamihan ng tao ay sang ayon sa pagpapaalis kay Erap nuong EDSA II?” o naisahan ang karamihan sa ginawang pang-aagaw ng poder nuong 2001? Dapat nating maliwanagan na ang pag-papaalis na ginawa kay Erap ay isang paraan na hindi kinatigan at kinakatigan ng karaming mamamayan sa dahilang ito ay labag sa batas. Kumbaga, nagkabuyuan lamang nuong 2001 at pinalalabas na buong sambayan ay umaayon sa nangyaring agawan para maging legal at may bisa ang naturang power grab. Huwag nating kalimutan na kung “pagsang-ayon” lamang ang pag-uusapan wala ng mas matibay pa sa konkretong pruweba na mahigit labing-isang milyong Pilipino ang bumoto kay Erap para sa pagka-pangulo. Hindi mo pwedeng baliwalain ‘yan ng isang EDSA lang. Hindi magkakasya kahit sa limang EDSA ang labing-isang milyong tao. At kaya marahil nagkakaro’n ngayon ng pag-alinlangan sa isipan ng mga tao ay dahil na rin sa dulot ng lokohan at pagba-baboy sa proseso ng nangyari duon sa 2001. Hindi basta-basta malilimutan ang pambabastos at pang-gagarapal sa boses ng taong bayan at ang kasalukuyang pangyayari sa ngayon ay isang epekto na nagsisilbing karma sa sambayanan.
Jonas,
Ilang dosenang libro ng mga political scientists natin
ang pinagaralan ang EDSA II. Lahat nagsasabi na ang ABCD voters, maliban sa E voters, ay iniwan si Erap. Ang totoo sa pagaaral nila ang mga E voters lang sa malalaking siyudad ang hindi umalis kay Erap. Ang E voters sa probinsiya ay iniwan din si Erap. Kaya ang konklusyon nila
ay nang mangyari ang EDSA Dos ang pakaraniwan ng tao sang ayon sa nangyari pagaalis kay Erap.
Kung tutol ka dito sa studies nila, kailangang gumawa ka din ng survey mo at pakita mo na mali ang sinasabi nila. Yaan ang kabutihan ng academic freedom. Lahat may pagkakataong sumulat ng kanyang kuro kuro. Ang isiyu niyan kung may maniniwala sa sasabihin mo.
Mawalang-galang na po, Ginoong Amb. Malayo na yung post ninyo sa itaas on the subject matter I want to comment on pero I beg to disagree with your assertion as follows: “The best proof of this is Faeldon was arrested. If he has the support of the mass of the population he will never be caught. The people themselves will hide him. This is the reason why Osama Bin Ladin has not been caught up to now. The people of Pakistan and Afghanistan are obviously sheltering him.”
Sa palagay ko lang, all it takes is one person greedy enough for the reward money to sell out Faeldon. I believe that, in fact, or something close to it, is what happened. Hindi rin maihahambing ng lubusan ang situation natin kay OBL sa Pakistan/Afghanistan dahil, suspetsa ko lang, masyado nang corrupted ang ating national and individual character. Kung ang Panginoong Jesus nga ay ipinagkanulo for the price of a slave ng isang Judas, being only one of twelve, (and He certainly enjoyed popular support), si Faeldon pa kaya ang hindi ibenta ng isang ganid sa salapi?
You have lots of good facts/ideas/information, obviously from a very deep reservoir of personal knowledge born of professional/vocational travel and experiences, and I for one respect you for that. Pero with your insistence of finding a “credible alternative” to GMA, I almost suspect you of being a closet GMA supporter. Maybe I’m just personally more of an idealist and a purist compared to your pragmatist. But to me the question of legitimacy is many steps prior to the matter of “credible alternative.” Even the very word “credible” is only finding selective use. It is being used to sift out alternatives, but I haven’t read you (from my limited reading of your writings/pronouncements) apply that to GMA. To me, and I dare say others, she has certainly lost most, if not all, of her credibility. To me the absence of what you and others call a “credible alternative” is no excuse to allow someone not elected by the majority to continue as president, especially with all the “credible” evidence of cheating and scandalous graft and corruption surrounding her.
You might be familiar with an old movie (Being There) of the late Peter Sellers as a simple-minded gardener named Chauncey or something like that, whose chief source of information and ideas is TV, and the end of the movie was being groomed (without him even knowing it) as president of the USA. I personally would take someone like him over the current Philippine president anytime, as long as he/she was elected by the majority of the Philippine voters in a “credible” election administered by a “credible” electoral commission. The people might not choose the best candidate, but it would be their choice. Isn’t that what the current Constitution provides?
To Tomas,
I have lectured on the topic of Political Development and Political Change in the Philippines and in my assignments abroad before various audiences. This topic of course includes the study of revolutions. This subject is one of my majors in the graduate studies I undertook in Boston. These are the ideas I am sharing with you and the other bloggers in this site.
As for being a closet GMA supporter, I have been writing a
against the GMA administration way back in 2001 long before
there were clamors to replace GMA. I refer you to one of the columns of Ducky Paredes immediately following EDSA II.
In that column I referred to the ouster of Erap as the act
worthy of a Banana Republic. My basis for this is because the constitutional process for removal was not followed.
EDSA II is actually a coup d’etat.
As I had stated the problem in a coup is not simply to seize
power. The more difficult part is how to hold it. And that
is the bad part. Because if the coup plotters do not have
public support you will have an endless alternation of coups and counter coups. That will bankrrupt the country
as foreign investors will all flee our shores.
What I have given out in this blog are the general trends in all the the major revolutions which had taken place.
Hundreds of rebels have siezed power and then disappeared
into history without leaving their mark except perhaps ruined societies. That is generally the case when rebels
do not count enough popular support.
If you think the Philippines will be exempt from this general trend, you can write your own essay and point out
why it will be so. Why Faeldon or Abat for example will be
an exemption to this trend. The proof will be if you can convince our country men about your version of revolutions.
Ginoong Amb. Hindi ko maunawaan kung bakit sa akin ninyo inaddress ang above post ninyo. Hindi ako proponent ng military coup. Sa halip, ang personal na hangarin ko para sa bansang Pilipinas ay kusang magbitiw sa puwesto si GMA (although sa tingin ko malayong mangyari) at magkaroon ng malinis na halalan para sa kanyang kapalit, kahit na walang tinatawag ninyong “credible alternative.” From the relative safety of where my own family and I reside, it would be totally unfair and hypocritical of me to be an advocate for military coup even though I still have a mother and other close and dear relatives and friends who might be affected by such maneuverings. I am totally for constitutional means of replacing the illegitimate occupant of the palace, despite her total disregard of the constitution herself. I also deeply respect your very deep knowledge of historical facts and firm grasp of the literature on the subject. I just differ with you on the particular subject of waiting for a “credible alternative” and in the absence of such tolerating the illegitimate corrupt ruler.
Makakamit lamang natin ang pagbabago sa ating bansa sa pagkakaroon ng snap election. Maraming magagaling, mararangal, may integridad at mabubuting tao na handang maglingkod sa ating bayan.Buwagin ang COMELEC at palitan ng mga taong me kakayahan at integridad para sa malinis na halalan. Mamili tayo ng TALAGANG karapat dapat na mga lider. Kahit sino ang mahalal ng mga tao ay ating suportahan, sundin, mahalin at igalang. Bago ang lahat ng ito, ay dapat bumaba si GMA at dahil ayaw bumaba, patuloy na mag-ingay at makiisa para siya mapababa. Ngunit, papa-ano nga ba? Hawak niya ang mga huwes, militar, pulis, mga pari, Comelec, Pagcor, mga opisyal ng iba’t ibang departamento ng gobyerno, rich operators of jueteng, mga kongresista,mayayamang may ari ng malalaking negosyo, mga smugglers na ayon sa balita ay mga tao rin ng pamilya ni GMA.Si Faeldon ay isa lamang SIMBOLO ng mga hinaing ng mga tao na lubos na naghihirap.Marami sa ating Faeldons….Talagang napakahirap ng ating kinasadlakan sa pagnanakaw at pandarayang ginawa ni Gloria.
Helena,
Madaming yaan ang guston mangyari. Snap elections. Kaya
tayo may constitutional crisis ayaw magbitiw ni GMA. Yaan lang ang puwedeng malinis na paglilipat ng poder. Ang mga iniisip nina Faeldon at Abat ay madaming sabit iyan. Hindi lang magulo. Baka pag hawak na nila ang poder hindi na nila
bitiwan kamukha ni Fidel Castro.
Amb. H.C. Cruz
Gusto ko na sanang maniwala sa ‘yo pero dahil ni isa man lang sa “ilang dosenang libro” ng mga political scientists na binanggit mo e hindi ka nakapagbigay hayaan mong ako na lang ang tumulong sa ‘yo na paniwalaan ako sa mga sinasabi ko, okay? Bago ko ibigay sa ‘yo ang pruweba ko pahintulutan mo muna akong magbigay ng opinion sa sinabi. ‘Yung sinasabi mong “iniwan” si Erap ng mga ABCD nuong EDSA II, may bahid ng katotohanan ‘yon. Sa oras ng pananamantala ang mga oportunista ay talagang naghahari. ‘Yung ABCD crowd na sinasabi mo e talagang ayaw kay Erap ng mga no’n at hindi sila ang nag-upo kay Erap kundi ang E voters. At ‘yung bahid na katotohan sa sinabi mo, iniwan nga nila dahil bagsak na e. Ganyan ang laro ng mga oportunista. At lagi nating tandaan, labing-isang milyon (11) ang bumoto, opo, bumoto kay Erap at para balewalain ‘yan ng ABCD e malaking kahibangan.
Bweno, Nag-conduct ng survey ang Pulse Asia entitled, “Many Filipinos did not favor “People Power” exercises”, basahin mo ‘to bro bilang paanyaya ko sa isang kaliwanagan. Heto site: http://pulseasia.newsmaker.ph/main.asp?mode=&page=article&articleID=611913595970§ion=Highlights
Jonas,
Ang survey ngayon hindi mo puwedeng gamitin para doon sa nangyari noong 2001. Nag iba na ang isipan ng mga tao
ng makita nilang magdaraya si GMA. Ganon din yong survey noong 1961 na ginawa ng ating mga academicians para lang sa
1961 yoon. Ibinoto ng madaming tao si Erap noong 1998.
Ngunit ng makita nila ang mga ginawa ni Erap at ng kaniyang
mga alagad na si Atong Ko, Yoly Ricafrente, Dante Tan at
iba pa, nag lipat ang kanilang isipan. Hindi oportunista
ang ating mga botante na bumoto kay Erap at pakatapos
bumaligtad ng makita nila ang operasyon ni Erap.
Ang nangyari diyan nagtaksil si Erap sa kaniyang tungkulin.
Isulat mo ang mga sinasabi no tignan mo kung may maniniwala
sa iyo at bibili ng isinulat mo. May academic freedom sa bansa natin hanggang ngayon. Kausapin mo din ang ating mga
kababayan at sabihin mo mali silang paalisin si Erap. Kailangang ibalik nila si Erap sa pagka pangulo. Tingnan mo
kung may maniniwala sa iyo maliban kay Jinggoy at Loi.
Amb. Cruz: I just want to make one basic correction. You talk about Faeldon and his plans, yet it is obvious that you have not thoroughly looked at his website. In the question and answer portion it says that he does not intend to join government, either this one OR THE NEXT. There is another part where he says that he believes SOLDIERS DO NOT MAKE GOOD LEADERS. Your examples therefore of what happened to Liberia and of other such soldier leaders do not apply to Faeldon.
Of course you can say that we don’t really know what he will do. Yes. Which is why he said that early on, so that we can hold him to this promise. So that we will know what kind of person we are dealing with, should he break that promise and take over government.
You say that you are anti-Arroyo, yet you bring up the same fears that government is always stoking. The same fears that government is using to keep the citizenry paralyzed and unable to take action.
Faeldon’s dream was that of an empowered citizenry. It does not die with him, or stop with his arrest. With all your explanations and brilliant arguments, how do you hope to empower the people? What are you doing to help them NOW?
We have access to a computer, we are literate enough to have read all these theories and we have the time to digest them and then use them to analyze society with; it is not easy to move beyond our comfort zone to help the anonymous masses. Why should we risk losing all these comforts, this life we have built and have gotten used to, for some vague dream like people empowerment?
Kaya lang siyempre, para politically correct tayo, we come up with all sorts of reasons why we shouldn’t.
I have no problem with that.
Sana lang, we should not so easily denigrate and dismiss those who do what we dare not.
Norie, very well said. Sang-ayon ako 100%.
Kaya nga ang sabi ko e “Sa oras ng pananamantala ang mga oportunista ay talagang naghahari.” At natatandaan ko pa duon sa naunang post ko, sinaad ko na “Kumbaga, nagkabuyuan lamang nuong 2001 at pinalalabas na buong sambayan ay umaayon sa nangyaring agawan para maging legal at may bisa ang naturang power grab.” Kaya para sabihin mong hindi pwedeng gamitin ang survey ngayon noong 2001 ay isang pagwawalang pansin sa isang katotohanan. Para mo na ring sinabi na ‘yung pagsisisi ni Hudas kaya siya nagpakamatay ay hindi pwedeng gamiting pruweba ng kanyang pagkakanulo kay Kristo. Walang connection, gano’n ba Amb.? At huwag mo ring sabihing ‘nag-iba na ang isip ng tao ng makita nilang mandaraya si GMA” dahil hindi ‘yan ang tutoo. To be exact, “napatunayan” ng tao na hindi talaga karapat-dapat na maging pangulo si GMA. Meaning, nuong 2001 pa lang may duda na sila sa pagkakaluklok dahil sa maniobrang ginawa at itong 2004 na-validate ang kanilang mga hinala about Gloria.
Maling-mali ka Amb. Kung nagtaksil si Erap sa kanyang tungkulin bakit iba ang batayan ng Supreme Court sa kanyang pagkakaalis sa pwesto? Siguro opinion mo lang ‘yan at nirerespeto ko ‘yan dalangin ko lamang e huwag sanang maka-confuse o maka-mislead ‘yang opinion na ‘yan. Hindi ko problema kung may maniniwala o bibili sa isusulat ko dahil hindi ako nandito para magbenta o magpaniwala sa sasabihin ko. Amb sinabi ko bang “ibalik” si Erap? Pasensiya ka na Amb mukhang hindi mo na talaga ako mapapaniwala dahil hanggang ngayon hindi ka pa rin nakakapag-produce kahit isa man nuong sinasabi mong “ilang dosenang libro ng mga political scientists.” At least ako naibahagi ko sa iyo ‘yung source ko para naman ma-enlighten ka at mag-ingat na din sa pagsulat ng uncorroborated statements.
Amb. H.C. Cruz,
You are assuming that Faeldon or Abat will solve the country’s problems Amb. Nobody here is expecting that Faeldon and Abat would be our messiahs. None. People root for them not that they will solve all the problems that ails the country but because they vocalize the sentiments of the majority vis-à-vis against the excesses of Gloria. It is not even a question if whether one trust the military or not so long as the objective of removing Gloria is accomplished. And that’s the sad par of it: the people are so desperate they are now depending on the elements of an institution that has no capability to run the government. But nothing’s new there, it happened in ’86 and 2001 it has become a bad habit on our part already.
Nag-lecture ka dito by citing the case of Cuba under Fidel Castro at tinakot mo pa kami na baka magaya tayo hindi lang sa Cuba kundi sa Liberia, Uganda, Kampuchea, etc. Lingid sa iyong kaalaman Amb, puro lihis ang mga ehemplong ibinigay mo. Una, iisa lang ang resemblance ng mga insidenteng binanggit mo kumpara sa Pilipinas: coup d’etat o military action supported by civilians. ‘Yan lang ang similarity pero sa kabuuan ibang-iba ang nangyayari sa atin. Kailan ba nagkaro’n ng coup d’etat dito sa atin na military ang nag-umpisa, tumapos at nagmanage ng gobyerno? Nag-umpisa, siguro oo, pero nag-manage never. Everytime na magkakaro’n ng change of leadership through civilian-military effort (twice, ’86 and 2001) laging binibigay ng military sa civilian ang leadership. Kaya ‘yung mga ehemplo mo Amb. puro sablay. Sa Cuba, ng makuha ang trono hindi na bumaba si Fidel Ramos, este, Castro. Sa Kampuchea gano’n din ang nangyari, puro former Khmer Rouge at hindi civilian ang mga namuno duon. Sa Uganda, ewan kung si Idi Amin e civilian. Ang alam ko cannibal ‘yon, LOL!
Norie, CVJ, and Jonas,,
Where were you all in 2001 when GMA took over? Most of you
are Johnny-come-lately people and questionned GMA only
after the Garci tapes. By way of contrast please refer to the January 31, 2001 column of Ducky Paredes. I was among the handful who questionned the legitimacy of the GMA takeover right after EDSA II.
So let us be clear, I want GMA out but let us do it the right way. That should be through a snap election.
We are talking about the public support for Erap in 2001.
I have no reason to doubt that he has lost the support of the mass of the population at that time. There are adequate surveys available to support this point. What I
questionned then is if public support is lost, the only
constitutional means to do it is by impeachment of Erap which of course failed.
What you Jonas is claiming is that the surveys then which was used by our academicians are wrong. You are free to
interpret an poll survey the way you want to. Present it to the public and see if they will believe you.
Amb. Cruz,
You asked where we were when GMA took over, implying that you have no idea where and what we’re doing back then, but on the same breath you erroneously accused us of being “Johnny-come-lately”. How did you know both things that you have no knowledge of? You did not even ask us collectively/individually what’s our take on GMA’s ascension to power and here you are accusing us of something which has no basis? Hebigat mo Amb.!
So what if you questioned something that was wrong from the beginning? A lot of people knew and doubted GMA’s legitimacy back in 2001 including yours truly but I don’t brag about it because it was not an exclusive idea. It was wrong and unconstitutional to a lot of people irrespective of what the Supreme Court says.
To the contrary, you are not making yourself clear Amb. You want GMA out and you want to do it “the right way” implying that we are on the wrong way, but what have you got to prove your point, snap election? That is not “the right way” to oust GMA. Snap election would be the after effect in ousting GMA and not the cause of it. The repercussion and not the reason. And you want to make yourself clear? Public support is determined in elections. You are speculating and you have the right to do that even if you wrong.
Not so fast Amb., not so fast. Never did I claim that “surveys then used by our academicians are wrong” because I don’t even know of any surveys done back then. You are the one who claimed the ““ilang dosenang libro ng mga political scientists” which up to now you failed to produce even one sample. In fact, I was the one who supplied you the Pulse Asia survey even if you did not ask.
Majority of Filipinos wanted GMA to give up the mandate she stole from the people. If ever she decided or forced to step down,who will oversee the government while having a snap election? Mr.de Castro? who is also suspected of being in cahoots with GMA in stealing votes?Mr. Drillon?Who? There are groups who are saying Pres. Estrada should be given back the years he was forced to give up as president because of false accusations of corruptions, etc.Is this legal? If this happens, will Pres. Estrada not hold on to the power like GMA and forget about the snap elections people are so much in favour at this time? I live overseas but I visit Phils every so often and plan of one day going back to my country to live a quiet comfortable life.We are all here, giving our opinions and suggestions hoping that we will learn from each other and be enlightened of some issues. We are here (thanks Ellen!) because we all care and dream of a New Philippines.
What I am very sure of is because of GMA’s bad governance, she will self-destruct very soon!!! LOL. G’Day !
The manner of her ‘exit’ will dictate what would be the next step in order for us to move on. If she resigns, Noli De Castro will take over. That is the requirement of the law. If she is ousted through military/civilian action, Noli will go with her and the possibilities for us could be endless. Either a “committee” maybe established composed of representatives from various sectors who will serve as a caretaker and do the day-to-day activity and commitments of the government up to the period where an election could be had. We could also have a military junta or military-led government. As to the possibility of it I’m skeptical. It is also possible that the succession option may ‘skip’ Noli and go down on the level of Drilon or De Venecia as the case may be. The Senate president or Speaker of the House could also act as caretaker/s if the situation arises. I’m not sure of the legal possibility of a snap election with Gloria as one of the candidates or not. I’m also not sure of the legal basis of Erap reassuming power. Let’s just all pray that Gloria will voluntarily resign and allow the people to have a say on who will lead them.
jonas,
I left all the books on EDSA II in Manila. I am in New Jersey now. There are so many of them. Among them are those written by Aprodicio Laquian and his wife,, there are books written by a group of UP academicians another by Ateneo Academicians. There is an article by Dr.
Jose Abueva. You can easily check these books in any library card catalogue. The problem with your approach is
you are using the current survey of public opinion for events that happened in 2001. By your own admission you
don’t know if there were surveys then. There were surveys
then done by SWS and Pulse Asia. I believe most of the data base used by our political scientists are the SWS
surveys.
Your task is not to waste your time trying to convince me
that Faeldon will save our country. I am only one vote.
You should talk to our other country men and try to convince
them and rally and support Faeldon. See how far you can go. You represent the minority view otherwise there would have been a public outcry over the arrest of Faeldon. The
Malabon citizens for example, could have staged a mass action to prevent the arrest of Faeldon as happened in EDSA I. In EDSA I Marcos sent the Marines to arrest JPE and FVR. The crowd obstructed them. Nothing similar happened in
Malabon showing there is no mass support for Faeldon.
So you should address all you are saying now about Faeldon
and Erap to our fellow countrymen. Jinggoy has a movement
to restore his father to power. You can join him and see
how many will rally to the call of Jinggoy. I cannot say at this point that you will succeed or fail. Nobody can
predict the course of political change more so a revolution.
Thanks Jonas.I doubt it that Gloria will voluntary resign. Ang dami na niyang ginawang kababalaghan at “hokus-pokus”. Pag siya bumaba hindi na siya covered ng immunity of being a president. Then….she has to pay for all the illegal acts and injustices she has done to the Filipino people.No one stays on top forever. She has to come down eventually and find out for herself the anger and hatred of the people she meant to serve.
Amb. Cruz,
What gives you an idea that I’m convincing you that Faeldon will save our country? I’m not here to convince anybody on anything, I’m here to share ideas and information, agree and disagree with what I read. It so happened that I do not agree with what you are saying.
You are lost again Amb. Nothing in what I wrote here speaks about “public outcry’ over the arrest of Faeldon. I don’t blame you, maybe you mistook me for somebody else’s.
There’s no Cardinal Sin or Butch Aquino and his ATOM in Malabon unlike in EDSA ’86. There’s no comparison.
I’m not interested in Faeldon or Jinggoy Amb although I share their opposition to Gloria. What I’m interested in is on the things that you claim here that remain unqualified.
Good discussion, you guys/gals. As much as I’m not for a military coup, dahil based on events of the recent past ay malinaw na walang balak si GMA magbitiw nang kusa, hindi ko pa rin alam kung ano’ng option ang pinakamabuti para mapalitan si GMA. Malinaw sa akin na illegitimate ang pagkakaupo niya. Malinaw sa akin na wala siyang interest na lumabas ang katotohanan, kahit na publicly sinasabi niya at ng kanyang mga amuyong na yan ang gusto niya. Malinaw sa akin na katakut-takot na ang mga anomalyang nakapalibot sa kanya. Malinaw sa akin na mahilig siya na ipakita sa tao na relihiyosa siya, gaya ng recent meeting niya with Rev Franklin Graham at Bishop Efraim Tendero, at pakikipagpulong niya sa representatives ng CBCP. Eto ang hindi malinaw sa akin, pero kahit paano ay may konting liwanag–sa palagay ko ay hindi na aabutin ng eleksyon ng 2007 at mawawala na sa pagkakaupo si GMA. Otherwise, kung hindi kikilos ang nakararaming Pilipino, sa palagay ko lang ay parang maihahambing na pabalik hindi lang sa FM martial law days kundi sa mahigit tatlong siglong pagkakaalipin ng mga banyagang Kastila.
Jonas,
We are posting our ideas here in the blog site to share our views and experiences. We can give our own interpretations and versions of events. You don’t have to agree with all that I say. You can give your own version of events. Let the other bloggers to form their own conclusions who is more believable.
I am in a good position to speak out on the current issues.
I was on the very first to question the legitimacy of the
GMA administration when very few was speaking out against GMA. So I cannot be accused of being pro-GMA.
I am among the very last to defend Erap when everybody had
deserted him. So I cannot be accused of being anti-Erap.
I remember sometime in 2001
Con’t
attending a symposium in Manila and I was one of a handful who questioned EDSA II.
So by my past acts I can comment as an unbiased observer on the events in our country.
I don’t go with the crowd as shown by my past statements which I even had published, on EDSA II, GMA and Erap.
So Jonas, you should address your statements to the other
bloggers and the public and see if they agree with you.
Not just to me. That is the purpose of a blog site.
Amb. H.C. Cruz and Jonas…each one of you got your “own views, opinions, and ideas” about our country’s present “political crisis”. All of us can “debate, argue, discuss…or whatever” what had happened in 1986 and 2001, people like me who are obviously “a bit younger” than the two of you, are thankful for all some “unknown” facts (that used to be “unknown” to us) on the 1986 and 2001 “events”. But one thing is certain, GLORIA and whoever are “BEHIND or INFRONT” her, for sure knew better than ALL OF US the “facts, first-hand stories,bad and good decisions made” during those “power change-over or take-over”. So, talking about “the right-way” to topple her won’t do any good. Those people saying that takling her out of office should be done “thru constitutional” way are all HYPOCRITES. GLORIA got FULL-CONTROL of the Executive…SHE GOT STRONG-CONTROL over the Legislative…and a BIG INFLUENCE over the Judiciary….so Amb. Cruz..”what right way are you talking about again?”
Tomas,
You are correct. Most of our kababayans are in favor of ousting GMA. There is no dispute as to our goals. The only dispute is as to the means.
But from the recent events that happened, we could sense that our country men do not support the military solution.
No mass support has developed for Faeldon or Abat. Faeldon
was arrested by his comrades-in-arms. so he also does not have the widespread support of his fellow soldiers.
Our dilema is really GMA. Paano natin paalisin sa puesto
ng hindi tayo dadaan sa madugong himagsikan? Kung magbibitiw lang sana kaagad, wala tayong problema. Puwede na ang snap election.
Kung hindi mangyayari iyan, puwedeng gamitin natin ang election 2007. Iboto para majority ng mahahalal na
mambabatas ay galing sa Oposisyon para ma-impeach si GMA.
Para sa iba sa atin, mukhang matagal ang 2007. Subalit kung
dadaan tayo sa kudeta gaya ng sinasabi ng iba, ang problema
niyan ay wala ka ng tiyakan kung kailan maghahalalan muli.
Ang mga Cubano ay hindi na nagkaroon ng halalan magmula ng
1959. Ang mga Chileno naghintay sila ng 19 na taon bago na
paalis si Pinochet. Para sa akin mas mabuti na iyong may
sigurado tayong halalan sa 2007 kay sa mag sugal tayo at
maghintay ng madaming taon kung magkakaroon ng kudeta.
Maitatanong mo, papaano kung dayain muli ni GMA and eleksiyon? Ang iniisip ko niyan ay pagnagdayaan pa magiging
trigger iyan na magalsa na ang boong bayan. People Power IV
and mangyayari.
Ang palagay ko madami din tayong kababayan na ganiyan ang
inisip. Kaya walang madaming sumama kina Faeldon at Abat.
They want a sure election in 2007 rather than take the risk that there will be no election for an idefinite time. One way or the other, GMA will be out in 2007.
Amb. Cruz,
We have drifted too far my friend. Pagod na ko sa kahahabol sa ‘yo Amb.You being the first to question GMA’s legitimacy is not the issue. Why don’t you go back to your ‘snap election’ as a means to oust Gloria so that we can settle that issue? I commented on it why not respond to my comment? Or the military takeover ala-Cuba you are talking about which I doubted? I also commented on it. My post are geared towards your ‘lectures’ and your comments on my post. We are having an exchange Amb. and for you to insinuate that I address the other bloggers is a bit off balance. Let them disagree with me just like I disagreed with you.
Noong panahon ni Erap amenable sya sa SNAP eleksyon?
Pero bakit ngayon si GMA ayaw nya ng SNAP eleksyon?
Ano kayang klaseng VALUES meron itong si GMA?Ganyang ba ang turo sa kanya ng mga ninuno nya?
Kung ganon ay kahiya-hiya ang mga angkan ni Lakandula.
Pati na rin sila Luli,Dato at Mikaela(paglaki nito) ay kahiya hiya sila!
HINDI DAPAT SILA PAMARISAN!!!
Jonas,
That is the idea Jonas. Let the other bloggers form their own opinion after hearing our and everybody else’s opinion.
That is the idea of a blog site. Almost all of us in this blog want GMA out. We are agreed on the ends, we are not
settled on the means.
Political change is so complicated that as one of our
graduate school professor likes to say : The only thing
predictable about revolution is it is unpredictable with so many turns and twists. Our discussion now is one such illustration. I am actually an Erap defender yet we
disagree on the justifications for his removal.
In fact if you read my letter to Ducky Paredes quoted here
by Ellen on the proposed Davide UN appointment, I indicated that I will be inclined to side with the conspiracy theorists that EDSA II is a GMA-Davide deal if the UN
appointment gets through. But I am waiting for that to happen. In your case you have already formed your opinion that the Erap removal is unjustified.
So let the other bloggers read on and form their opinions.
It’s clear from the comments that most of us want Gloria. As Amb. Cruz pointed out, we differ in the means to oust her. Actually, the discussion in this blog reflects the situation inthe country today.
Let us not make that differences in opinion divide us further but rather, let it be a means for us to explore various means to achieve what we want.
Let us learn from each other’s views.
Even among anti-GMA members of the military, there are differences in opinion how to do it. (For reasons that I’m sure you understand I can’t discuss what I have gathered so far) But they have agreed not to destroy each other.
Let our differences in methods be used instead to cover different areas. That’s the essence of democracy. You work for what you believe is the better way. you try it. If it doesn’t fly and others have other ideas, then let’s try it.
Ellen,
Revolution and political change is so complicated that even
the best solution at the moment may become a mess in
actual operation. At the moment the preferred way seems to be snap election with both GMA and Noli resigning. It cannot be GMA only otherwise, the law on Constitutional
succession will take effect and Noli will become president.
So let us assume a snap election is held. Here comes the joker part :
Let us assume the elections is close but an honest one. There is a winner in the close election. But what if the
public perception is there has been cheating even if the election is honest? That is not an unlikely outcome. Our
entire political institutions have been so corrupted that
it has lost a lot of credibility. So there is really no easy way out of our dilema.
Just the same a snap election looks the most attractive at the moment. So we can only hope that things work out ok
in the end.
Herewith another survey conducted by SWS with regards to public opinion on “SNAP election” at the height of Anti Erap movement last November to December 2000.
http://www.sws.org.ph/pr110600.htm
OPINION ON AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION
TO ALLOW FOR SNAP ELECTION
Philippines, October 26-30, 2000
I think you’re jumping the gun Amb. Before assuming an election why don’t we formulate, explore or imagine first how will Gloria resign if she will resign. I think that’s the better issue than contemplating an election which is grounded on the possibility of vacancy on the presidency.
Snap election may be attractive to some but so long as Gloria remains in Malacanang snap election will only be just that, a dream.
Jonas,
I can think of four possibilities. You can add your own ideas and then we can explore each one.
GMA voluntarily resigns.
GMA is forced to resign by mass action by the people.
GMA is forced by the military to resign. This is a coup.
Force majeure or act of God.
another option:
GLORIA MACAPAGAL ARROYO leaves office because of “KONSENSYA”
Piso isa na pala ang PhD degree ngayon!
Pugak,
I think your proposal can be taken up under voluntary
resignation. I think a fifth option is “US withdraws
support of GMA administration.”
May I share an article of a psychic Danny Atienza’s prediction published in “The Daily Tribune on the Web!” dated April 29,2004, the title of which, POE “DESTINED” TO BE PRESIDENT.
And I quote, “The prediction was made yesterday by psychic Danny Atienza, who pictured the May 10 elections that would supposedly be won by Poe, the opposition camp’s standard-bearer, as the dirtiest ever in the country’s electoral history as a result mainly of mudslinging among the presidential candidates”
In another paragraph…”But if ever Mrs. Arroyo would again be seated as the President of the country, fate will not be kind to her because she will not complete her six-year term as she will either be impeached or, worse, DIE. Atienza did not elaborate”.
The last four paragraphs said,”Before the now deposed Pres. Joseph E. Estrada became the highest official of the country, the psychic had announced that Estrada will not sit long on the throne because he is not destined to be the President of the Philippines and will be put behind bars by now President Arroyos’s camp”.
“If ever Mrs. Arroyo wins, Atienza said, she should expect a military takeover by junior military officers led by either a major or a colonel.From the takeover will emerge Edsa IV and this time, even Roxas Boulevard (in Metro Manila)will be filled with people and attack the Comelec bldg (in Manila)”.
“While the military takeover is taking place,” Atienza said,”terrorists coming from the far South (Mindanao)of the country will take advantage of the situation and will bring chaos”. He also predicted that another presidential bet,Sen. Panfilo Lacson, can win but only if he slides down to be FPJ’s runningmate.
The psychic said Lacson has no chances of winning as President but, assuming he wins the presidential race, he will be put in jail.
Amb. Cruz,
Now we’re talking.
Frankly, I want her to be forced to resign by mass action by the people. People can do it by exerting pressures each hour or each day that Greedy Gloria stays in Malacanang. Let’s put an end to EDSA sequels, it’s sickening. This time I don’t want the military to have a hand in changing the government to erase whatever ‘superiority complex’ they have over the people.
Jonas,
Let us discuss the outline that I proposed to have a Noel.
Let us start with no. 1. Actually the resignation of GMA
will be a function of the pressures which could be brought against her. Cory has already asked her to resign. FVR
in effect is asking her also to resign since it will require cutting short her term. But it is only after a chacha.
Of the major pressure groups sitting in the fence the CBCP
is the most influential. But its recommendation as I said
at the moment, is neutral. WHAT COULD MAKE THE CBCP CHANGE
ITS NEUTRAL POSITION IN FAVOR OF RESIGN GMA?
If the 2007 Elections is again dirty, the CBCP could change its position. There is already a precedent when in 1986
they declared the election of FM as not representative of the popular will because of fraud. But that will be next year. The more proximate event that could influence the
CBCP is the findings of the Biazon Committee. They have
an announced common goal of getting to the bottom of the
Garci tapes.
This is a loaded issue. Firstly, because it could confirm
that cheating took place in Election 2004. Secondly perhaps more important, if it could be shown that GMA authorized or knew of the wire taps on for example Honasan, then she could be probably impeached for violating the privacy of correspondence clause in the Constitution. It is not a viable defense that she also has been wire tapped.
So the findings of the Biazon Committee becomes all important. Normally, a congressional hearing will result in
two votes. First at the Biazon Committee level, then this will be followed by the vote of the entire Senate.
So assuming that Biazon is serious and comes out with a
finding that A) GMA cheated and B) Knew about the Honasan
and other wiretaps, the all important issue now is are the
votes there in the Senate to push thru the Biazon Committee
recommendation? It will require a majority vote in the Committee and the entire Senate to push through any finding.
The Committee can just issue a Report of Findings on the
investigation. However, it could go further and pass a
Resolution condemning GMA for violating the election law and
the Constitution,
In the House the battle lines are clearly drawn between thee
administration and the opposition. In the Senate it is not
clear cut. I am inviting you and the other bloggers to
make inputs and see A) Who are the senators under the tumb
of GMA. B) Who are the senators who are firmly in the
opposition. C) The most important who are the “swing votes.” These are senators who may cross party lines,
examples: Drilon, Angara, JPE, Recto etc.
I am in NJ right now so you people in Manila are in a better position to answer this question.
A) Who are the senators under the tumb
of GMA.
Sigurado si LITO LAPID at BONG REVILLA
PUGAK,
I noted that you do your homework and do some research
before entering the blog. Remember you need twelve senators
in order to get the majority in our present Senate with
23 senators. Do you believe you can make twelve senators
to vote to condemn GMA? Who do you believe are these twelve
senators? If you cannot assemble twelve senators to vote
for a Resolution Condemning GMA, then Committee Report
will be shelved. Sometimes the minority makes a report
just the same, but it will not have much effect.
“US withdraws support of GMA administration” OPTION
Noong 1998 sa indonesia, nakaantabay lamang ang State Department sa pangyayari – AT HINDI NITO INIURONG ANG KANILANG SUPORTA kay SUHARTO.
Sa Hong Kong, papaano nag assume ng power si Donald Tsang?
Si Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada at Carlos Diego Mesa Gisbert ng Bolivia pati na ang lider ng North Ossetia na si Aleksander Dzasokhov?Papaano ba sila nag RESIGN?
Dito sa bansa natin , katakut takot at sandamakmak na ang korapsyon pero wala pa ring nag re-resign!!!
ANO BA YAN?
Kawawang mga Pilipino!
Here’s the list of non-violent revolution I got from the internet
Orange Revolution – Ukraine
Singing Revolution – Baltic
Rose Revolution – Georgia
Tulip Revolution – Kyrgyzstan
Velvet Revolution – Czechoslovakia
Carnation Revolution – Portugal
Cedar Revolution – Lebanon
Purple Revolution – Iraq
Blue Revolution – Kuwait
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-violent_revolution
for you info …
Ellen is right.
We must not allow our personal difference to derail our focus: get rid of Gloria!
Gloria is leading the country to self-destruct as a means of staying in power. We must not allow her to achieve her goal.
Ellen is right.
We must not allow our personal differences to derail our focus: get rid of Gloria!
Gloria is leading the country to self-destruct as a means of staying in power. We must not allow her to achieve her goal.
Naniniwala akong may panindigan itong si Faeldon ngunit mukhang mahina siyang military officer. Bakit naging careless siya. Bakit nasa celfone niya ang numero ng kanyang mga contacts? Na-trace tuloy ng mga military. kawawa naman sila.
Kung ito ang lider ng coup, tatawa lang si Gloria.
Personally, I don’t think we are being divided by our differences of opinion, at least not totally. I think that that among the “serious” bloggers here, there are more points of agreement than difference. Some of us are just trying to get clarification from the likes of Amb. as he seems to be one of the most prolific posters here. As most of us can see, we are learning to critically look at ideas presented here, even those posited by people we generally agree with. This is good. We already know that pronouncements of the current administration are suspect at best. We shouldn’t be complacent and simply accept statements of posters who generally propose views we share. And it seems from what I read here, we are not.
Sa kabilang kamay (tama bang translation yan ng “on the other hand”?), sang-ayon din ako sa tinuran ni Ellen na i-pursue natin bawat-isa kung ano man ang ating matibay na pinaniniwalaan. Kahit maliit lang ang magagawa ng bawat-isa sa atin, kung para sa ikabubuti ng bansa, hindi walang kabuluhan yun. Kung magkakabuklud-buklod, lalong magaling.
Pugak,
Thanks for the info. We do not know how far back in time is the info you posted on non-violent revolutions. As you can see EDSA I is not included in the info. Actually, the overthow of the Shah in 1979 antedated EDSA I by seven years. However, the Iranians are not smart enough to attach
a positive label to their revolution. They allowed the
Western Press to call it “Islamic Fundamentalist Revolution,” a very negative connotation. The Iranian Revolution was also bloodless. The Immortals, the palace guards of the Shah, just as in Russia in 1917, defected to the Ayatollah. It became bloody only after the revolution when the Revolutionary Guards started to hunt down and execute the members of the Savak, the Shah’s secret police and the ranking officials of the Shah.
As for the term “People Power” the writings of Edgar Snow on
Mao Tse Tung showed that Mao had used this term several times. That is not the end of it. Some Filipino graduate
students in New York after EDSA I told me they came across
the same term in the writing of the ancient Greek philosphers. So the term is not our invention.
Let us just hope our efforts to replace GMA will again
the bloodless.
Tomas,
Blogging is an interactive process.I am learning a lot from our fellow bloggers.I joined this blog to get the pulse of our countrymen.I wanted them to think critically about the process of political change, particulary revolution.I could sense desperation in some of them. They want to get GMA out by any means.
Revolution at any cost can be self defeating.The Russian peasants joined the 1917 revolution against the Tsar to end
their serfdom.They remained serfs in the collective farms
established by Staling.In addition, 20 million of them were starved to death or died in Stalin’s gulags.We should try to avoid this in our country.
I am not against a coup.But it must be a civilian led coup as in EDSA I and II with the military lending a supporing role.What I oppose is a military coup.My reason for this is because in the countless military led coups in the whole world, in only one instance has it led to the modernization of the country.This happened in Turkey following WWI under Kemal Ataturk.I don’t think there is anybody in our military now who is a Kemal Ataturk.He has a glorious military record. He expelled the British and the French in Gallipoli in WW I. If one of our present military leaders could defeat the NPAs, the MILF, the MNLF and the Abu Sayyaf, he could be in a strong position to lead the nation. RM did that in the fifties when he crushed the Huks.
All other military coups have failed because the military
breaks into factions. Each faction allies itself with the
local elites in a series of coups and counter coups as happened in Latin America.That is the reason why the elites get entrenched further under military dictatorships. This also happened to us under Martial Law. FM actually governed the country in alliance with the military.As expected and a la Latin America,the military top brass identified their interests with the elites.They lived in the plush exclusive residential areas. They never worked for the upliftment of the common men. At the end of the FM/military rule in 1986, the incidence of poverty in our country was higher than in 1972 going by the reports of the UN agencies and the World Bank.
The issue of political change we are discussing is a very
complex topic.One can never be sure of who is going to be
right or wrong. Revolutions could take so many twists and turns. It is not surprising that while we agree on the ends, we cannot agree on the means.
Pasensya na po kayo, muli na naman kaming nawala. Ngayong naaresto na si Capt. Nicanor Faeldon, napansin naming lumalakas na naman ang loob ng military na pagbutihin ang pag-deface sa website. In fairness, gumagaling naman sila. Kahit paano.
Humihingi kami ng tulong sa mga patuloy na sumusuporta sa amin at sa mga naniniwala sa press freedom. Kagaya ng una naming sinabi, patuloy ang laban. Hindi namin isasara ang website na ito hangga’t kaya namin, dahil hanggang ngayon, naniniwala kaming kailangang maalis si Arroyo, at naniniwala pa rin kami sa civil disobedience bilang paraan ng pagpapatalsik kay Arroyo.
Sa mga patuloy na naniniwala at sumasama sa aming pakikibaka, kung maaaring mag-post kayo ng link sa website na ito o i-post ninyo ang mga sinasabi tungkol sa civil disobedience, sa people empowerment, at iba pa, sa sarili ninyong website. Kailangan ay palaganapin pa lalo ang mga ideya at ituloy ang pakikibaka.
Mahirap magpatalsik ng isang pangulo, lalo na ng isang corrupt, tuso at walang awang pangulong katulad ni Arroyo. Hindi kaya ito ng isang tao lang, o ng isang organisasyon. Mahalaga na magsama-sama tayo sa pagkilos upang tuluyan na siyang mapatalsik.
Patuloy kaming maglalabas dito ng mga istorya ng mga ginagawa ng mga supporters ng pilipino.org.ph at ng iba pang mga tao, laban kay Arroyo. Patuloy kaming maglalabas ng mga istorya ng pangkaraniwang tao, at ng kanilang mga pakikibaka.
para kay kapitan faeldon. alam namin na pinaghandaan mo ang sasalubong na labang iyong haharapin bago ka pa mahuli. this is the time to show the people that you are not just a plain fugitive, its time to reveal what you are made of. first you are a marine!!!! second you are a filipino marine and third you are a filipino marine with principles and convictions. wag ka sanang mahihinaan ng loob there is strength in God and the truth.
RE: February 2nd, 2006 at 7:25 am comment of Amb. H.C. Cruz
iyong “Malabon argument” ni Amb. H.C. Cruz, is old school na rin.
Iyong pagkakaaresto ngayon kay Crispin Beltran sa Bulacan,ano matatawag dito?
Si Randy David, Argee Guevarra at Ronald Llamas kahapon sa Santolan?
Panahon pa siguro ni Pancho Villa(aka José Doroteo Arango Arámbula) ang pansit malabon argument ni Amb.?
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“Our mistake, you see, was to write interminable large operas, which had to fill an entire evening.
And now along comes someone with a one or two-act opera without all that pompous nonsense – that was a happy reform.” –Giuseppe Verdi(October 10, 1813 – January 27, 1901)
Tuloy ang laban.