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ISAFP’s orgasmic revelry

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This picture was taken during the “Long Live the Emperor” Christmas party of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippinees where ISAFP Chief Delfin Bangit gave out gifts (cash and appliances) furiously as if money would be abolished tomorrow.

Military sources said the funding for that party came from “the top”.

Click here for the story of Fe Zamora in the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

Photo above shows some ISAFP agents doing a parody skit of former Sen. Gregorio Honasan, who was captured last Dec. 20.

A source who was at the party said some of them were turned off by the insults heaped on Honasan by their fellow agents which delighted Bangit no end.

“They even put Gringo’s shoes in a glass box for display as if it was an auction sale,” the source said.

“It was like a party of barbarians feasting upon their captive,” a source said. A few of the officers, who had some decency left in them, said the skit and the games were “rude, ungentlemantly and below- the- belt.”

Reminds us of bacchanalia during the Roman empire where the drunken emperor and his men engage in an orgy, humiliating their captives.

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  1. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    How about that, we didn’t even get an invitation to the party!

    I hope if there is a next time, we can at least get one of the P500 bill being discarded as if candies. At least the starving poor could’ve use it, such inconsiderate people this ISAFP group.

    I suppose, it’s just a matter who at the top, it’s obviously a trend in the Philippines. You gotta give the ISAFP and the emperor the due credit, they sure know how to party, with six calves, all you can eat, all the drinks, and among other things. Who said the Philippines is a third world country and the poverty is at 40%. It seemed they don’t know what they’re talking about and they ought to read the article published on the subject “Long Live the Emperor” Amazing!

    Maybe we are doing it about the wrong way. Does anybody here considered of having the Emperor to take over Malacanang from illegitimate Gloria? He sure has the credential and know how to throw a very lavish party, and the Emperor knows how to get things done.

    Well, Honasan is no angel either!

  2. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    Who cares where the funding came from, it doesn’t matter, nothing matter no longer in the Philippines, and most importantly no one really give a doggone sh*t, anyway. Just ask the Arroyos, they got their shares of the calves. So, why they should care about the party. Barking the wrong tree! There is a season and reason to be jolly, ISAFP is not one of it.

  3. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    Happy New Year to all! May your wishes be granted in this coming Year 2007. It certainly would be extra nice, and a bonus to all and the country as a whole.

    Ms Ellen I wish you good health and best of everything. Once again many thanks for providing this blog.

    Manigong Bagong Taon!

  4. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    Before I forget, say something nice and try to avoid anything derogatory remarks about the ISAFP. You don’t want to be wire tap or anyone listening to your private conversation, do you?. Just one never know! Bogus Gloria learned her lesson, “lapse of judgement”, if you all recall. How about this, “Hello Garci”.

  5. chi chi

    “Reminds us of bacchanalia during the Roman empire where the emperor and his men, drunk, engage in an orgy, humiliating their captives.”

    Shades of age of Caligula!

  6. mandirigma mandirigma

    This Gen. Balingit used to be Arroyo’s Presidential Security Group’s Chief. Take note of how the name Balingit sounds which refers to his boss: Pangit.

  7. The problen with ISAFP is that they think that they are bullet proof but the day of reckoning is around the corner, at the moment you’re riding on a high note but the higher you are the harder you fall. Your time will come soon enough.
    Exodus 18:21 (New International Version)

    21 But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate DISHONEST gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens.
    MESSAGE TO ISAFP
    Do you get the message? I hope you do for your own sake. You all have families who will suffer when you fall. they will suffer because you supported your commander-in-thief and the only one to benefit is your General, think about it.

  8. mandirigma mandirigma

    My friend, you mentioned 21 and we’re talking about ISAFP here. Are you familiar with MIG 21? Isang mabagsik na grupo iyan sa ISAFP.

  9. mandirigma mandirigma

    Sorry po. The 21 was a verse you quoted from the bible. Pero tutoong may MIG 21 sa ISAFP. May mga kapatid tayong sundalo dito na makakapagpatunay niyan. MIG stands for Military Intelligence Group of ISAFP at ang numero 21 ay isang unit nila. That could be the unit in the group that arrested Gringo Honasan. Mali din ang ginawa nila sa pambabastos kay Honasan. They forgot that Honasan has men in every unit of the AFP including ISAFP. Kapag makabalik si Honasan sa puwesto o kapangyarihan, pasasayawin ang mga iyan ng bala.

  10. mandirigma:
    I understand what MIG217 is more than you may know, have lived the life, wore the Tee shirt and will star in the movie. All the more reason to advise them that they and their families are the ones to suffer, the only one to gain is their Commander-in-Thief and AFP General. They already know this, believe me, its just that they live for the day, like the drug addict with his his fix for the day. Trust me I’m a doctor.
    Whilst I mention the rank of General, they have all had time to stand up to be counted. So it is safe to assume that all AFP Generals are corrupt. That’s a problem for the soldiery with the balls to sort it. If not the AFP is doomed for sure.

  11. mandirigma mandirigma

    Are you or have you been in the military? Parang kabisado mo ang takbo sa loob. The problem with intelligence groups is that some are made as sarificial lambs just to complete a mission. Intelligence work is a very dirty job. Kahit kamag-anak o mahal sa buhay ay sinasakripisyo kung minsan. Happy New Year sa iyo kabayan!

  12. mandirigma mandirigma

    The year is about the end. Ilan sandali pa ay Bagong Taon na. To all of you here, let me greet you a very Happy New Year !

  13. As an ending note to 2006 I pray that all of out institutions wake up to the reality that this country is on a spiralling downward path involving the administration, congressmen,justices,AFP, PNP etc etc. We have to re-install the rule of law and keep to the Constitution for the sake of our children. Emough is Enough.
    HAVE A HAPPY NEW 2007

  14. chi chi

    Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow

    There are two days in every week about which we should not worry: two days which should be kept free from fear and apprehension.

    One of those days is Yesterday, with its mistakes and cares, its faults and blunders, its aches and pains. Yesterday has passed, forever beyond our control.

    All the money in the world cannot bring back Yesterday. We cannot undo a single act we performed; we cannot erase a single word we said. Yesterday is gone.

    The other day which we should not worry is Tomorrow, with its possible adversities, its burdens, its large promise and poor performance. Tomorrow is also beyond our immediate control.

    Tomorrow’s sun will rise, either in splendor, or behind a mask of clouds – but it will rise. Until it does, we have no stake in Tomorrow, for it is yet unborn.

    This leaves only one day – TODAY – Anyone can fight the battles of just one day. It is only when You and I add the burdens of those two awful eternities – Yesteday and Tomorrow – that we break down.

    It is not the exprience of TODAY that drives people mad – it is the remorse and bitterness for something which happened Yesterday and the dread of what Tomorrow may bring.

    Let us, therefore, live but one day at a time!

    Keep an open mind.

    ***

    HAPPY NEW YEAR CYBERWARRIORS!!!

  15. mandirigma:
    There’s no harm in revealing that I’ve never been a member of the military but experienced an intelligence group and your correct that its a dirty game with few survivers. Thats why I gave the advice I gave, whether they take it or not is up to them, but I already know they know what the cost can involve. As I already said its like an addict live for today because tomorrow is another day.

  16. ocayvalle ocayvalle

    happy new year!!

  17. joeseg joeseg

    Happy New Year to Everybody!!!

    I would like to dedicate this to Ate Ellen and everybody in the blog who I know shares and believes in what Ate Ellen is fighting for as a journalist and as a Filipino:

    PERSIST
    When you’re weary, it means you’ve been making a Difference. Keep going and see it through.When each obstacle is more difficult than the one before, it means you’re making real progress. Persist, and make it all count for something great.

    The exhaustion you feel is preparing you for the sweet taste of accomplishment that is surely to come. Every effort you make serves to give that accomplishment more value and meaning.

    Sure, the way is difficult, and by moving through each difficulty you’re creating something that can never be taken away. Keep going, and enjoy the priceless reward of knowing you did it.

    As the path become steeper, it means you’re nearing the summit. Now is when it’s especially important to keep climbing.

    Your efforts have already brought you a long, long way. Persist, and enjoy the full rewards of your labor.

    May God Bless Us All!!!
    ==

  18. mandirigma mandirigma

    We-will-never-learn: So, you were once a civilian agent of ISAFP. No problem with that. Marami akong kilala na members unang-una para magkaroon ng mission order to carry their guns. Parang protection din iyan. ISAFP is the highest intelligence group in the AFP next only to NICA. Malakas iyan pero marumi.

  19. Diego K. Guerrero Diego K. Guerrero

    The ISAFP skit with half-naked participants (man-woman) is an insult to former army colonel and a ex-senator of the republic. The skit message-Gringo is caught with his pants down with a mistress. A comedy skit about ISAFP rescue of Sgt.Vidal Doble at the San Carlos Seminary, Quezon City is more fun. Intelligence Services of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP)’ Hello Garci wiretapping political scam is the center piece of illegitimate President Gloria Arroyo. The AFP and Malacanang Palace are also caught pants upside down with the Hello Garci expose’.

  20. roljen143 roljen143

    happy new year sa inyong lahat pati na rin sa inyong mga biyenan…

    mabuhay kayong lahat!!!

    Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all this things shall be added unto you (Matt 6:33)

    God bless you all

  21. mandirigma mandirigma

    Not that I’m making fun of Scriptures, may I put the above verse with my own version: “Seek first the ouster of Gloria and all the things shall be added to the Filipino people.”

  22. Diego K. Guerrero Diego K. Guerrero

    Bakit may suwueldo/allowance ba ang isang ISAFP civilian agent? Baka naman ang karamihang CA gusto lang may mission order para makawak ng baril. Isa pa parang racket ang MO. Marami akong kakilang Instsik at Tsinoy ay mga secret agents kuno. Moderno ang mga boga.

  23. Chi,

    It’s called “decadence,” and it is what caused Rome to fall from within.

    In his “The Story of Civilization,” historian Will Durant wrote:

    “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars.

    “The failure of society is the failure of the individual human soul, the lack of a desire to consider someone else’s needs because of one’s own greed.”

    *****
    The above photo tells all of this decadence and impending doom even before the Philippines can even boast of a so-called “Philippine civilization.” Ugh! 🙁

  24. Chi says, “Shades of age of Caligula!”

    You bet, it is. More like the Biblical Sodom and Gomorrah dominated by men wanting to become women. No wonder a friend of mine in the Japanese DEA asked me why there were just too many “bakla” in the Philippines!!!

    Is this why this ISAF and AFP “biniboys” hate the more he-manly activists, human rightist lawyers, journalists, et al? I wonder! 😛

  25. mandirigma mandirigma

    Mr. Guerrero, tama po kayo. Racket lang kadalasan ang pagiging civilian agents na karamihan ay mga negosyante at Chinese. They are issued the so called “mission orders”. Pero may mga genuine civilian agents din. What I know is that they don’t receive salary. Actually, they are military informers. Mas maganda lang pakinggan ang civilian agent. Remember the many NBI confidential Agents? They have the credentials complete with IDs and badges. Akala mo tunay na ahente. Pero mga informers lang iyan. The businessmen buy such privilege for as high as P50,000. May mga deputized LTO agents din. May tickets sila na puwedeng manghuli ng mga drivers. Marami sa kanila ang mga members ng iba’t ibang civic groups. Noon, nabalitaan ko din na kahit sa Malacanang may mga tinatawag na Malacanang confidential agents. They had these PSG IDs and badges with Malacanang logo/emblem. Everything is possible with a price. And would you believe that for about P10,000 one can be commissioned into the AFP as Reserved Officers? May mga Chinese na na-appoint na Navy Admiral pa complete with Navy uniform. Kawawang bansa.

  26. chi chi

    AFP “biniboys”, hahahah, heheheh! An apt description of who they are!

    Ikaw talaga Yuko, while others find you too bombastic, ako naman natatawa sa mga choice of words mo! Carry on!

  27. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    we-will-never-learn:

    Okay, you got my full attention. Twice now, I read from your postings, I believe, you said, “Trust me I’m a doctor.” Does it meant something extra ordinary? Being a doctor anything related to some degree to MIG217. Doctor of what? Just curious, nothing else? Thanks!

  28. Chi,

    One thing sure is I hate beating around the bush. Even as a child, I used to shock a lot of our relatives who would come to our place come salary day waiting for dole-outs from my parents when we were in the Philippines. I still have to learn in fact the Japanese art of not showing what you feel inside or not saying things that should should be kept unsaid.

    I hate highfalutin language, too. I say/write things the way I feel, and I have that “Ang tamaan huwag magagalit” attitude. That’s honesty for me.

  29. Happy New Year to all bloggers who are looking forward to a big change in the Philippines this year!

    Just wrote this to Chi, and thought I’d greet everyone with this, too, especially those wannabe balimbings who are definitely going to turn coat when the time comes:

    May this year be a prosperous one for all of us, and may we succeed in booting out the Great Switik!

    It’s the most logical and sane thing to do. In fact, over in Japan, when one is suspected of cheating in the election, the prosecutor’s office orders the police to investigate and gets the needed warrants for the offender(s) arrest for proper prosecution. Unfortunately in the Philippines, they even have an unconfirmed Secretary of Justice who acts as if he owns the whole judicial system! Unbelievable indeed!!! And they call themselves civilized even when they can do a biniboy act in a party paid with taxpayers’ money, and all that the newspapers in the Philippines do is report such decadence with nary a word of censorship on such indecent acts by supposed gentlemen of the AFP. Suka, suka, suka!!!

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!

  30. Chabeli Chabeli

    How appalling & how insulting these photos are ! It is preceisely behaviour like this-as shown in the photo-that give those in the service a bad name !

    “Military sources the funding of that party came from “the top”.” Once again, Gloria has raped yet another institution ! KAKAHIYA ! NAKAKA WALANG RESPETO !

  31. Balingit? Sounds kabalen to me! Promoted for being one of the dugong-aso, eh? I am not surprised at all for the bad behavior as pictured above! Hala, sayaw, mga AFP/ISAF biniboys!!! Migosh, nagtanggal pa ng buhok sa kilikili! Sick! Yikes! ‘Kadiri!

  32. mandirigma mandirigma

    I used to have a classmate named Balingit. I think it was a guy named Cesar Balingit. Kabalen ba? Baka nga. Maraming kabalen ang nasa gobyerno ni Arroyo. The recent one to be appointed to the Dept. of Education yata na si Lapus kabalen din. Dugong aso? Hindi naman siguro. Baka Ugaling Aso lang.

  33. chi chi

    Yuko,

    It’s Delfin Bangit! Sabi nga Tongue ay ang bangit niya!

  34. isabel isabel

    nakakadiri at nakasuka!
    tamaan sana sila ng kidlat at maging abo sila gaya ng sodom at gomorrah.

  35. Chi:

    Baka Delfin Pangit! Mas bagay! Hehehehe! 🙂

  36. chi chi

    Yuko,

    Iyan palang Bangit, and ibig sabihin ay mabaho (Tongue first mentioned it). Sabi ko ay parang baho ng hindi hinuhugasan na ‘derriere’. Kaya iyang si Bangit ay kasimbaho ng Pangit na Great Switik! Mag-amo kasi kaya parehong mabaho ang dating.

  37. Toney:
    Hi, Happy New Year! ‘trust me I’m a doctor’ is an expression meaning that normally we trust our medical doctors without question because we believe they know their subject of medicine. So, when I use this expression, for me I’m trying to convey to the reader that I know something about the subject I’ve just written about, such as CIA (remember!) now ISAFP. I am neither ISAFP or CIA nor wish to be, nor have I ever been their agent. Remember what I said about James Bond being only in the movies not real life.
    I’m not prepared to reveal who I was employed by but suffice to say ISAFP & CIA were considered to be Micky Mouse outfits. It’s good to understand that these ISAFP members rely on their group activity because alone as indivisuals they become nothing. Thats why I say they’re like addicts getting their fix for the day because tomorrow may be a different story. If you study the picture of the ISAFP party, for that moment they feel part of an elite group, glad to show that they are part of that group. But as sure as night follows day once they’re out of ISAFP they become just a number, not even a memory. Trust me I’m a doctor. (smile)

  38. I’m thinking that many of you may be missing a point that these ISAFP in the party picture are supposedly responsible for the ‘intelligence’ reports on various ‘alleged’ terrorist threats if it wasn’t so serious it would be a Laff. Look at these guys, if they were standing in the rain for a whole week, they couldn’t even catch a cold, let alone catch terrorist. Its frightening really.
    Maybe they can get employment in a gay bar, Nah! that’s an insult to gays. (smile)

  39. chi chi

    WWNL, it’s a very painful laugh for pinoys!

  40. chi:
    Lets look on the bright side maybe some of the AFP are waking up. I just spotted the interview with YesArms spokesman ret. Cmdr. Ismael Aparri reported yesterday in the Daily Tribune that these soldiers have taken unto themselves the avowed duty to apprehend Garcillano alive. There are already three tracking teams out to get him who had mastered jungle and urban special operations, he added.
    We can only hope they’re serious.

  41. WWNL, the fact that this photo got out of the ISAFP circle, don’ you think it’s an encouraging sign for those who are sick and tired of what gloria arroyo and the military bigwigs are doing to the military institution?

  42. Ellen:
    To steal a term from yourself ‘spot on’ because it could be the reason why YesArms are re-surfacing, further more they reported that they were insulted by the Justice Sec giving Garci the all clear. Glo pack your bags eh!

  43. By their very nature the military in general keep their thoughts from the public, thats the way they are, but now the ISAFP picture has been published, they feel that they have to surface to tell the public that they feel the hurt also.

  44. One thing is for sure there is a big divide in the AFP and PNP and its becoming bigger as time goes by, they will become more and more restive and nothing can stop it now. Even these retired Generals that recently joined the government will jump ship just as it’s about to sink. Mark my word.

  45. Chi:

    A lot many family names in fact came from personal attributes, features, etc. Ang hilig pa naman ng mga pinoy na magbansag ng mga tao lalo na kung kaaway nila! :-p Baka maanghit ang nuno ng taong iyan. Sa Ilocano ang mabaho ay mabansit (bansit)!

    Siguro ang talagang pangalan ng taong ito ay “pangit” na pinaganda lang na “bangit” gaya noong mga pilipino sa Tate na ayaw ng mga pilipinong pangalan nila na pinapalitan nila para magmukhang kano gaya halimbawa ni Barbers daw na dating “Barbero” o si Mr. Dukot na ngayon ay Mr. Ducut (pronounced as Do cut!)! Kakatawang nakakainis di ba?

  46. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    we-will-never-learn:

    Happy New Year to you also!

    I’m smiling, when you’re promoting yourself as a doctor, trust me on this. And treat this respond of mine as just my curiousity since it got the best of me as some of the bloggers in this blog. Quite interesting personalities and it has intrigue me somewhat.

    First, as a doctor to be trusted, you’re quite pessimistic, a tendency to take the least hopeful. It’s not my own opinion, but yours as you’ve given name above has shown, “we-will-never-learn”. You’re stroking with a wide brush without any hope. I also, have my reservation about some doctors knowing their subject of medicine, it’s from the official recorded incidents.

    Secondly, not really interested of your personal life, only what you’ve written in this blog, to be trusted, specifically. Again, as individual have my reservation. How can everyone trust you from the other end of the wire without really knowing you personally. Don’t you think little bit too much to ask on everyone and Ms Ellen?

    In regards to the picture of ISAFP party. I’m not making nothing of it, just that they’re having a goodtime. I believe, it’s quite normal in the Philippines. It not need a special qualification to make an opinion, as I see it.

    Anyway, according to you, it’s good to know that we’ve a doctor in the house.

  47. Toney, in this blog, we just exchange ideas. We don’t have to know each other personally.

    But ideas expressed say a lot of what a person is including his background as well as motives. That’s why as we continue with our discussion, some personal background emerge.

    If some people are more forthcoming with their personal circumstance, that’s okay. If not, that doesn’t matter.

    What matters are ideas. The what’s and the why’s, rather than the who’s.

  48. Chabeli Chabeli

    We-will-never-learn,
    Reading your comments above, it brings me to ask the question, what is taking the military so long to make a move against this pigmy ? The military as an institution has been “raped” by Gloria. This photo is only proof of that. I also know of several instances-the last one I knew of was November 2006-of attempts to “move” but something thwarts it always.

  49. mandirigma mandirigma

    What’s taking the military so long to remove Arroyo? That’s the danger…silence. Remember in the past when the military or people were noisy talking about military coup and actions to be taken by the soldiers? Nothing happened. Pero ngayon tahimik sila. Iyan ang mapanganib. Magugulat na lang tayo na talsik na si Arroyo. Let’s not disturb this group or groups in the military that might be on the planning stage and about to implement their plans. Let’s hope their silence confirms what I mentioned above. At sana madaliin na nila. Hirap na ang taong bayan. Hindi na sila makapaghihintay.

  50. Chabeli Chabeli

    Mandirigma,
    Good point. “Calm before the storm” ika nga. Thanks for your comments.

  51. mandirigma mandirigma

    Thanks also Chabeli. One doesn’t create noise if he’s serious in planning something as important as ousting a president. Basta magugulat na lang tayo. Who knows, before the Chinese New Year? Bago ang buwan ng Pebrero, baka tuloy na? The first Edsa was in the month of February. By custom and tradition, we Filipinos don’t want violence and trouble during the holiday season which is December and January. Lahat gusto ipagdiwang ang tradition na ito. Maybe…yes maybe, our dream may be realized next month. Sana!

  52. Chabeli Chabeli

    The people-first-then-military strategy, like EDSA 1 & EDSA 2, is not the right combination today. Gloria is of a different breed.

  53. mandirigma mandirigma

    Then, it should be military-first-then-people this time. Or military-people combined at the same time. Ano man strategy, gawin na ng madali para mapatalsik na si Arroyo.

  54. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    Thanks Ellen! I’m on board with you. However, if others are willing to share their personal circumtances in this blog for public discussion, I believe, you, other members of this blog and I has every right to ask for clarification of such subject(s). Don’t you think so? It does matter who, in my opinion, if we are to understand the message itself,a and the messenger since I was asked to trust such individual because of his personal discipline. We couldn’t ignore the fact that an individual volunteered willingly to share such personal circumtances. So, I’d assumed it was okay to probe on the subject offered. Moreover, my questions was confined within the bound of the subject(s) provided by an individual, at least I thought so.

    I do have great respect on exchanges of ideas.

  55. cocoy cocoy

    I’m reading MIG-21 in this thread.To my understanding this MIG-21 you are talking about happened on the investigation of illegal sales from Kazakhstan to Nokor with a large sum of U.S.currency.Nabili pala ng Pilipinas at ginagamit ng ISAFP.I hope I am wrong kasi this is a dangerous hardware.Kaya pala masaya itong mga tiga ISAFP,nag ala “Chimps-n-Dale” pa sila.Pati ba naman si Idol ko ginawang katatawan ang kanyang combat boots.Mga sundalo ng Pilipinas, mahiya naman kayo kay Gringo para kayong walang pinagsamahan.

  56. Toney Hi,
    This is the last word from me on this subject.
    You asked me a question and I was willing to answer your question, in depth, I could have ducked your question, but being an honest person with a straight-in-your-face personality I bared my soul to answer that question. You replied “I also, have my reservation about some doctors knowing their subject of medicine, it’s from the official recorded incidents”. & “How can everyone trust you from the other end of the wire without really knowing you personally Don’t you think little bit too much to ask on everyone and Ms Ellen?”
    Toney, it seems to me that your saying that you have a problem trusting ANYONE on the end of a wire, but you expect bloggers to trust you, otherwise why are you posting an opinion here.
    I visit this blog to read interesting views, I don’t always trust the opinion given, but I don’t question the blogger either, my brain is still active enough to analyse thought, so I never have the need to question that blogger to his opinion’s honesty or trustworthyness. unless I’m sure of the particular subject being questioned. If I don’t trust an opinion posted here I just ignore it, or read more on that subject. period.
    But what you don’t realise is that Ellen knows where I’m coming from because out of respect to her as the owner of this blog I confided in her, my background, so I feel happy with myself visiting her blog site. Can you say the same?

  57. mandirigma
    There are so many opinions on this, as for me I don’t think we need to rely on the military, the people should just go ahead and if the military join in thats fine. The problem is as I see it, who has the balls to act first, the military or the people. The people have it every time.

  58. I would rather that the military wait for the civilians to move against Gloria and just protect them when The Cheat unleashes her attack dogs.

    I know that’s also the sentiments of the reform-minded members of the military.

    It’s unfair to put the main responsibility on them if we, the civilians, can’t get our act together. I see the suffering that these brave men in uniform,who are in detention and are facing court martial, and their families are undergoing.

    If the civilians can’t get their act together, which is what is happening now, we should not let the military do the job for us. Then we deserve Gloria Arroyo.

  59. Its worth to remember that most civilized modern democracy only use their military in the event of aggression from external forces from other countries, their Police deal with all internal law enforcement.
    In these other countries demonstrations are controlled by the Police only, never military who are confined to barracks, under strict rules & regulations which always allows true freedom of speach, even against the government.
    In our case we still have a hang-up from the dictatorship control, this government (for obvious reasons) want complete control at all times. This is one reason why this country will not grow.

  60. But I must add that the AFP and the PNP have a problem within their own institutions, namely a power struggle between themselves, where the military are always allowed to be seen as the ‘elite’ of the two yet under the law only the PNP can effect a lawful arrest.
    The answer is to confine the military to barracks and increase the strength and training of the PNP. It has to be done sooner or later.

  61. mandirigma mandirigma

    The culprit is division. There’s division in the political opposition. There’s division in the PNP and AFP. There’s division in the church. Iyan pagkakahati-hati ang numero unong dahilan kaya wala pang nangyayari.

  62. Ellen,

    Iyong burlesque show ng AFP/ISAF mukhang ginaya sa “The Good Shepherd.” Nagsasayaw rin na nakasuot babae ang mga CIA doon! I just don’t see, however, the connection of their vulgarity with Honasan although I know about Honasan’s philandering.

    My sister, who is a doctor, had once cured one of Honasan’s “babae” of STD that’s why. But then, who among the biggies in the Philippine military, etc. does not have a querida? si Fatso nga may Victoria Toh, et al! Kung iyon ngang nangongolekta ng plastic sa Payatas may kabit, iyong pang mga nakakanakaw sa kaban ng bayan ang wala? Baka iyong suot nilang bikini hiniram pa nga sa mga kabit nila e! 🙁

    Sick, sick, sick! Wala pang originality! Lahat ng kabastusan ng mga kano ginagaya pa! Pwe!

  63. mandirigma:
    Divided institutions is the reason this fake president survives. She has divided the AFP, PNP, Congress & Senate,
    Judiciary etc. etc. Divide and Rule is the name of the game.

  64. mandirigma mandirigma

    Divide and conquer. Iyan ang formula ni Arroyo. It’s an old strategy but still effective. But she should know it would boomerang. Mismo sa loob ng Malacanang, may mga hindi nagkakasundo. So much trash has been thrown to her daughter Luli; but I heard that Luli sometimes disagrees with her parents’ actions. Hindi lang tulad ni Imee si Luli na openly palaban. Remember how Imee rebeled during those romantic days with Tommy Manotoc? Kung hindi dahil kay Imee, na-salvage na si Manotoc. I know the team leader who rescued Manotoc.

  65. Chabeli Chabeli

    Arroyo’s strategy has always been: CONFUSE-DIVIDE-CONQUER. That has been her formula since 2001. The only way to counter Gloria’s strategy is with the TRUTH. That IS the strongest weapon against Gloria’s game of deception.

  66. mandirigma mandirigma

    Kabayang Chabeli, may kulang sa CONFUSE-DIVIDE-CONQUER. You miss the word KILL. It should be: CONFUSE-DIVIDE-CONQUER-KILL. Ganyan si Arroyo.

  67. Chabeli Chabeli

    Tama kayo, Mandirigma.

  68. Ellen Says:

    January 2nd, 2007 at 9:29 am

    I would rather that the military wait for the civilians to move against Gloria and just protect them when The Cheat unleashes her attack dogs.

    I know that’s also the sentiments of the reform-minded members of the military.

    It’s unfair to put the main responsibility on them if we, the civilians, can’t get our act together. I see the suffering that these brave men in uniform,who are in detention and are facing court martial, and their families are undergoing.

    If the civilians can’t get their act together, which is what is happening now, we should not let the military do the job for us. Then we deserve Gloria Arroyo

    .

    Agree Ellen!

  69. mandirigma mandirigma

    Chabeli, puwede din natin dagdagan ng isa pa: Resurrect. Doesn’t she keep on resurrecting Cha-Cha? So, CONFUSE-DIVIDE-CONQUER-KILL-RESURRECT.

  70. Gloria’s men in the pic above portray real life Sodom and Gomorha Pinas style.

    Despicable!

  71. mandirigma mandirigma

    I’m distracted by those men’s pics. I need to focus on the issues and topics. Ano kaya kung mga amazona ang sumasayaw sa programa ng ISAFP? I’m sure may female civilian agents din sila.

  72. Mrivera Mrivera

    mga taong pinipilit pasayahin ang mga sarili sukdulang magmukhang mga gago at tanga sa harapan ng kanilang mga sukab na pinuno! pwe!!!!!

  73. Juan Marquez Juan Marquez

    Makes me sad to see a lot of people here post insulting and rude comments about a person and an institution they know little of. I’ve been a civilian agent of ISAFP for a couple of years now and I haven’t received any special favors or have acquired any special treatment from anyone. I volunteered to give my services without asking anything in return. Minsan masarap lang talaga na alam mo na naka tulong ka sa bayan kahit papano. I know what I have contributed and I don’t have to elaborate how I was able to help my country.
    Its unfair for individuals to say bad things about what transpired last 20 December kung hindi naman talaga nila alam kung ano talaga nangyari . It was a Christmas Party for the military and civilian personnel of ISAFP. I was there and attended the said party. The article of fe Zamora was exaggerated and full of lies. BGen Bangit was not drunk and did not throw money away. The only time I saw him give money was when he rewarded a wife of a military personnel return a lost wallet with a PHP5,000 money in it.
    Once a year lang mag celebrate at makasama ng personnel ng ISAFP ang mga pamilya nila. Nakakalungkot na kung magsalita ang mga tao hindi na nila naisip ang sakripisyo at paghihirap ng mga taga ISAFP.

  74. Juan Marquez,

    It is all in your honor if indeed you serve with ISAFP as a civilian agent for all the right things.

    The issue here is the picture as shown here of those military traverstites dancing to some kind of silent sodom and gomorha music.

    I do agree that there could have been nothing wrong for these men of the military to do what they did provided they weren’t caught on camera, but the minute that happened, it is difficult to defend the undefendable.

    That picture alone speaks volumes and not the least, it portrays a sense of the indecent.

    Christmas party you say it was? Well, well… I’ll be damned!

    I do hope that Gudencio ‘Boycee’ Pangilinan had the decency not to dance to the macabre music in that extraordinary ISAFP Christmas Party…

    Perhaps, if BGen Bangit writes to Ellen himself and explain that there was nothing wrong in that picture, views here might change but until then, the ISAFP Christmas goose is cooked.

  75. I can try to find out the names of those military transvestites in the pic by calling a top gun in the military but decided that I shouldn’t… there is no sense further humiliating members of the ISAFP.

  76. mandirigma mandirigma

    Mr. Marquez: Are you in the ISAFP’s roster? I know there are two types of civilian agents there or in other intelligence groups. Ang isa ay talagang sumasama sa operation. Talagang agent. The other one is merely informers mostly those businessmen or wealthy individuals. They join to be able to get mission orders so that they could carry their guns outside of their residence. Marami ang nagyayabang lang. It’s a protection to their business or to discourage arrest from some minor offenses like traffic violation. Ang isang tunay na agent, a true agent, doesn’t tell it even to this wife or family. Even here in this group, it’s quite risky to reveal you’re one. Iyan lang naman po ang pagkaalam ko.

  77. Chabeli Chabeli

    Juan Marquez,
    I subscribe to Anna de Brux’s comment that until “..BGen Bangit writes to Ellen himself and explain that there was nothing wrong in that picture, views here might change but until then, the ISAFP Christmas goose is cooked.”

    As the lyrics of a song goes, “..a picture paints a thousand words.”

  78. The halcyon days have indeed beset…

    In one word..

    NAKAKABAKLUSH!!!

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