Making sense of the Basilan debacle (Part 2)

Gonzalez and Dolorfino direct behind the scene

AT the height of the firefight between the soldiers of the 1st Marine Brigade and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the village of Guinanta in Al-Barka, Basilan, Gloria Arroyo was at the Pryce Hotel in Cagayan de Oro City talking about “Muslim brothers and sisters working in good faith with our government” and being “on the cusp of a permanent peace” in Mindanao.

She was addressing the Mindanao Peace and Security Summit. With her were national security adviser Norberto Gonzales, at that time acting defense secretary; Lt. Gen. Eugenio Cedo, head of the Western Mindanao Command; and Maj. Gen. Ben Dolorfino, commander of the National Capital Region Command and co-chair of the government Ad Hoc Joint Action Group negotiating with the MILF. Dolorfino is also the incoming commander of the Philippine Marines.

A Malacañang source said that when Cedo got the information about the ongoing hostilities in Guinanta, he informed Gonzales who asked Dolorfino if he had gotten any feedback from the MILF. “May umaangal na ba?” (Is anybody complaining yet?) Gonzales allegedly asked.

Dolorfino said the MILF considered it a violation of the cease-fire agreement and warned of a backlash. Gonzales, the source said, remarked “we must control the situation.”

The Palace source was not sure if Gonzales’ “we must control the situation” was an order and how Dolorfino took it.

A military source gave us their version of “control the situation”: Somebody informed Gonzales and Dolorfino of the ongoing incident. Gonzales told Dolorfino to control the situation.

“General Dolorfino called up General Sabban (acting WestMinCom commander) to halt the offensive but the latter denied the pleadings. Sabban is a Marine. Thus General Dolorfino called up directly the CASAF (Composite Air Support) to abort the air support, by-passing the WestMinCom.”

Dolorfino reportedly said he was doing it as co-chairman of AHJAG, a body working in coordination with Committee on the Cessation of hostilities (CCCH) to apprehend criminal elements in so-called “MILF areas/communities.”

“The choppers were ordered to return to their base by their commander,” the source said.

Another military source said in the After Battle Reports of the officers involved in the July 10 operation, it was shown that “only 6 rounds of 105 HW rounds were fired.” When a ranking Marine official inquired why, he was told “it was the cease-fire committee who ordered not to fire because they were engaging friendly forces.”

Another source said an artillery commander said he got an order from Dolorfino to “cease firing.”

Dolorfino denies that he called anybody to stop fighting. “Wala ako doon. Wala akong tinawagan.” (I was not there. I didn’t call anybody.)

Dolorfino denied recalling the aircraft. He said his statement can be checked with Sabban.

Told about the information that he was doing it as co-chair of AHJAG, he said that body has been de-activated. But a day after the Basilan debacle, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita was still referring to AHJAG as an active body. Ermita said: “The government will bring the incident to the attention of the Ad-Hoc Joint Action Group of the GRP and MILF panels, the CCCH and the Malaysian-dominated International Monitoring Group.”

Relieved 1st Marine Brigade commander Col. Ramiro Alivio, who stated in his ABR that “for unknown reasons the aircraft” was recalled, supports Dolorfino’s denial. Asked if it was Dolorfino who recalled the aircraft, Alivio said, “Not Dolorfino as he was not in the WesMinCom chain of command.”

Lack of aerial support was one of the reasons given for the big number of casualties by the Marines –14 —10 of them beheaded.

The Air Force sent four aircraft. The Huey helicopter had to turn back immediately after it was hit by enemy fire. The OV-10 Bronco bomber and two MG-530 gunships circled the area for about two hours but withdrew without firing a shot. The Bronco bomber had to drop its bomb at sea for safety reasons.

Another version about the lack of aerial support for the beleaguered Marines was that of the radioman who executed an affidavit that the ground forces did not have contact with the aircraft “because the 1MBde gave the wrong frequency to WestMinCom which was later transmitted to the pilots.”

A source privy to the investigation conducted by the military said: “For several hours the troops were not able to establish radio contact with the aircraft hence he (pilot) could not determine the location of the enemy as well as the friendly forces. The pilot on his own discretion cancelled the mission since for several hours (2 to 3 hours) there was no contact on the ground and they were running out of fuel.”

Col. Alivio’s explanation on why only six rounds of 105 mm howitzers were fired belies meddling by the cease-fire committee. He said “Lt. Col. Almadrones did not get a positive observation for the calls for fire.” A military officer said that means the information given by troop’s forward observers, who were near the target, showed their firings were not hitting the targets.

Brig. Gen. Edgardo Gurrea, chief of the government’s Coordinating Committee on the Cessation of Hostilities, however, told another story in an interview with ANC’s Pia Hontiveros yesterday. Gurrea said Dolorfino talked with Alivio.

Gurrea also said Dolorfino talked with Maj. Minandang Macatoon, one of Alivio’s men, to “de-escalate the tension.”

The conflicting versions of the July 10 fiasco give credence to detained Sen. Antonio Trillanes’ “inside information” that some officials of the government “had a direct hand in feeding our own military to the enemies of the State that led to the tragic death of the fourteen members of the Philippine Marine Corps.”

August 27, 2007 10:01 pm   Posted in: Military

53 Responses

  1. Chabeli - August 27, 2007 10:36 pm

    Ms. Ellen, after reading your two-part series on the Basilan mess, it can make one livid !!!

    The Marines were really fed into the hands of these murders, these killers !!!

    I don’t think that it is right – inspite of a peace talk between government & the MILF – to place the Marines into a very dangerous situation & then when they got into trouble, they were left to fend for themselves ! They should have been aided. Period. No ifs & no buts. Most especially when the lives of the Marines were at stake !! Can we even then trust Gloria & her Military Dogs to protect the civilians & our soldiers ??? There is no excuse to sacrifice any life for your own political benefit !!!

    All the more I believe that the military is behind the extra-judicial killigs in the Philippines. For Pete’s sake, they practically threw their own men to be massacred by these animals !!!

    Thinking that he has great credibility, this Maj. Gen. Idiot Dolorfino says that there is a destabilization plot against Gloria. Who the f*ck cares ! As long as it takes Gloria & the Military Killers out, then that is only way that the Philippines will finally make sense !

  2. vic - August 27, 2007 10:40 pm

    If only everyone tells the truth, the account of each party involved would fit nicely and consistently, but even if one tries to omit some substantial event or lie outright, the puzzle can never be put together and the solution to the problem can not be achieved. Now we knew that until now the “garci” case is still alive and well…

  3. rose - August 27, 2007 10:48 pm

    Ang gulo gulo ng chain of command nila. Ang pagkaintindi ko ng chain of command is from top to the bottom of the line horizontally not vertically. And kanila ay pasikot sikot na hindi maintindihan. Kung baga ay a ball of yarn na hindi malaman kung saan ang puno at dulo..at ngayon nagtuturuan. Ang pobreng sundalo sa dulo na nagaantay ng saklolo ay nagsacrificio ng kanilang buhay dahil sa magulong utos ng generals. GMA as Commander in Chief..ay i pang gulo lamang. Walang paki! Well, what can we expect..peke naman siya.. Malungkot.

  4. BLACK KNIGHT - August 27, 2007 10:50 pm

    Ellen,

    As I said before, these people who are involved to make hard decisions have “connections” with the enemy. The commanders/generals in Mindanao to include Gonzales did not have the “balls” to make hard and firm decisions to engage and pursue the enemy.

    I am not surprised if there is restiveness and destabilization plot again within the younger and mid-level officers of the AFP as a result of these killings in Mindanao.

    God Bless Us All

  5. rose - August 27, 2007 10:59 pm

    And GMA was in Cagayan de Oro?..ang sarap sarap seguro ng kainan..busog silang lahat at may “tuma” pa ano? May laman pa seguro ang bulsa..green with dollars? Kaya pala by hook or by crook inagaw ang pagka presidente at siya ngayon ay pang gulo ng bayan. Si Hudas ay nagsuicide “hanged himself” sa pagsisi sa kanyang kasalanan. Will GMA do the same?..indi ata nagsisisi. She is a hopeless case..we can start a novena to St. Jude, the patron saint of hopeless cases dian sa St. Jude next door to Malacanang.

  6. ystakei - August 27, 2007 11:05 pm

    BK: I am not surprised if there is restiveness and destabilization plot again within the younger and mid-level officers of the AFP as a result of these killings in Mindanao.

    *****

    Still there is no justification to sending these suspected restess marines to their death to save the criminal who should have been sent to jail for all the crimes that she has committed against the people of the Philippines, who deserve a better leader. Patalsikin na, now na!

  7. ystakei - August 27, 2007 11:06 pm

    Sorry mistyped, “restess” should be “restless.”

  8. Emilio_OFW - August 28, 2007 12:25 am

    Thanks Ms. Ellen for a very informative blow by blow events in Basilan.

    Let’s see and watch how the military hierarchy twist the real events and lie to their teeth.

  9. zen2 - August 28, 2007 1:01 am

    to the courageous Filipino soldier:

    if and when the time presents itself that one has to sacrifice his life; please do not die, definitely not, for your country’s leaders who are undoubtedly engaged into acts of highest treason and most despicable criminal activities.

    i offer an alternative, reasons for which i, myself, will gladly lay my life: for my family whom i love, for my friends and fellow humans whose ideals i respect, believe, and strive to emulate.

  10. ystakei - August 28, 2007 1:20 am

    OK lang sana kung save the nation ang sinasabi ng mga brainwashed mercenaries ni Esperon, e hindi. Here’s one in one blog that I could not really help rebutt: “i may not agree with their programs of gov’t. but i respect them since they were elected as president of the the country.since they are the duly elected president(whether their elections was/is tainted with controversy) they are my president.”

    OK lang sana kung talagang naboto by legal means, but everyone knows, she cheated, and even when she does not admit that she cheated, she kind of admitted that she committed a breach and a violation of the law when she said, “I am sorry, lapse of judgement.” It is utterly stupid to agree to the flimsy excuse by a former cabinet member of the criminal, “It is her voice, but she is not the one talking.”

    Oh, yeah? Sino? Impostor? Kaya sana pagbutihin ni Lacson ang expose niya tungkol sa Garci tapes. Full protection dapat ang mga witnesses.

  11. ystakei - August 28, 2007 1:25 am

    Sa totoo lang, domestic problem ang mga Abus, MILF at MNLF. Hindi dapat na sundalo ang ipinapadala doon. Tama na iyong mga pulis na dapat na pinapalakas. Pero tignan mo naman, wala raw budget pero may pangguratsa si unano sa mga pag-alis-alis niya ng bansa na hindi naman kailangan. At saka iyong mga governor, dapat alam nilang supilin ang mga taong nasa ilalim ng pamumuno nila. E hindi kasabwat pa sa mga kalokohan, lalo na sa mga nakawan at dayaan. Lalong nagkabuhol-buhol ang problema ng Pilipinas. Kawawang bansa!

  12. goji - August 28, 2007 2:15 am

    “A US Embassy official admitted that the American government has commissioned the construction of facilities across Mindanao for US soldiers, but insists the projects are not permanent military bases.”

    Let’s not be deceived by the above statement!

  13. luzviminda - August 28, 2007 2:23 am

    BK,

    Takot lang ng mga corrupt Generals lalo na yung mga sangkot sa ‘Hello Garci’ at ‘Bedol-Bedol’ gang at taga-Malakanyang na banggain ng husto ang mga ‘polpolitiko-armed groups’ sa Mindanao. Ibubuko nila ang mga kabulastugan pinagsabwatan nila.

  14. TonGuE-tWisTeD - August 28, 2007 3:26 am

    Nung bata ako ang pagkaalam ko sa giyera sa Mindanao ay war of Christians versus Moros – a religious war.

    Nung nagkaisip na ako, nalaman kong ito pala ay “war of ideologies” dahil nga sa pagpapabaya ng gobyerno sa mahabang panahon, hindi na kinikilala ang gobyerno at pilit nang humihiwalay ang Muslim Mindanao sa Pilipinas, hanggang sa naungkat na pati ang hindi pagsakop doon ng mga Kastila, Hapon, at Amerikano at maraming teknikal na dahilan.

    Ngayong mas aware na ako sa situwasyon, ang giyera-giyerahan sa Mindanao ay nauwi na lamang pala sa labang interes ng mga pinuno, mga lokal na elitistang pamilyang makapangyarihan, malalaking negosyo at mga dayuhang interes na magkakasabwat sa isang panig laban sa tunay na interes ng mga kapatid na Muslim na sa halip na iahon sa lugmok na situwasyon, walang humpay na ginagamit lamang pala upang maisulong ang patuloy na pagpapasasa sa grasya ng iilang nakikinabang.

    Ang masakit, kasama na sa itinuturing na “big business” ang kidnapping at arms trade bukod pa sa pagkamkam ng mga lupain na hindi pa man ako isinisilang ay matagal nang gawain doon.

    Sa panghuling yugto, ang pekeng digmaan ay nauwi lamang sa “war of greed”.

  15. rose - August 28, 2007 6:22 am

    Tongue: tama ka..pekeng digmaan..but what can we expect from pekeng pang gulo. Indeed it is a “war of greed”..nagagaya na tayo sa US..ang now they are building a military base in Sulu? US is a great land of opportunities..but they also take lands like Mindanao for their own big opportunities. Lagi silang lamang..This may sound for me to be a persona non grata being here. I became an American citizen kasi ang sabi ng Lolo Juan ko (who studied here) na my vote is my voice. And to be able to vote, I have to be a citizen. I don’t fail to vote in every election be it primary, local or national. Pero utang na loob? Hindi. I came here legit, worked, paid my taxes.never violated any law..kahit traffic law..and volunteer to help others..itim, dilaw, brown o puti.

  16. gokusen - August 28, 2007 6:25 am

    TT,

    tama ka po! hangga’t di naitatama ang history patuloy ang ganitong scenario..marami naman sigurong magagaling na historian advisers si madam..kaso nga talagang magaling eh. para maialis niya si Sultan Kiram sa Malakanyang ayun pinakandidato bilang Senador. Yun lang kasi alam niyang paraan para maialis sa landas niya ang isa sa representante ng Sultan ng Sultanate of Sulu. Eh, ewan ba naman din namin kay Sultan Kiram at napasunod ni GMA. Eh kahit nga sa Mindanao di sya masyado kilala dahil lalo na sa generation namin kasi nga di naman pinapaliwanag at kulang sa impormasyon…kaya yung kaisa-isang sultan na nakaupo sa malakanyang eh ayun nasa labas na! Baka sinasabi nga na sina gma ay may dugong maharlika kaya naisipan na niya na hanggat kaya niyang paalisin ng simplehan maalis si Sultan Kiram..Eh di nga nila pinaalam sa tao na si Sultan Kiram ay ang nagre-represent ng Sultanate of Sulu eh paano makakakuha ng boto sa taong bayan?

  17. gokusen - August 28, 2007 7:18 am

    The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has cautioned the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) to be extra careful once the tripartite meeting to review the implementation of the GRP-MNLF Final Peace Agreement of September 2, 1996 finally takes place this month, saying one of the provisions that may be looked into deeply is the status of the integration of MNLF forces into the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP). “Your integrees in the AFP are used in fighting your own men in Sulu,” Khaled Musa, deputy chairman of the MILF Committee on Information, tells the MNLF as a sign of brotherly concern.

    He said this is a bitter lesson that the MNLF that must be learned and must not be repeated.

    Seven of the 26 casualties suffered by the AFP in Maimbung and Indanan encounters last August 7 and 9, respectively, were MNLF integrees, two of whom were identified as Pvt Daim Hashim and Pvt Kaisar Hassan of the Army’s 33rd Infantry Battalion.

    Some MNLF leaders are still asking the government for the additional integration into the AFP of MNLF forces, saying this forms part of the unimplemented aspect of the 1996 agreement.

    – – – –

    Sana nga matuloy ang sinasabing “peacetalk” pero wala kaming tiwala na matutuloy pa yan..pero para babalaan ng milf ang mnlf sa ang tungkol sa “integrations” eh may mga “integrees” din naman galing MILF so parehong pag-aralan bakit ang laging pinangtatapat ay ang mga integrees sa MNLF kesa sa MILF at sino ba talaga ang may hidden agenda sa govt? Kung pagsasabungin lang kayo ulit ng gobyerno dapat pareho magisip ang liderato..pero ang pagkakaalam namin yung sinasabi na yan na nanghihingi ng integration ang mnlf na may makuha sa kanila eh, itanong na lang kay Jikiri dahil siya ang lider kuno sa peace ek ek negotiation..pero as far as mnlf knows jikiri is part of 15 council who defects with the government and used by the present government…you must listen to Misuari…and wait for the feedback from the President of Indonesian to the letter of Nur Misuari about the peacetalk and the present situation…alam ng mnlf na nilalaro lang sila..at niloloko! Again…kasi alam ng government may pumipiyak pa..!

  18. Valdemar - August 28, 2007 7:47 am

    May angal ba? Naturally, partehan sa fakes! The guard plane left after it was sure of the helo drop of the genuine replacement. The communication frequencies the helos and plane had were with the drop zone and control and not with the innocent marine collateral damages na pinagpistahan ng mga batang rapid reaction force recruits. No amount of coverups anymore can bring back those lives and heads we lost and still losing. on both sides. Gonzales qualification was being a backdoor habitué but control had always the last say..

  19. Valdemar - August 28, 2007 8:04 am

    The war after Kamlon may be attributed its beginning when Anni titled Siasi plaza and most rawlands around. When the ancient owners started shooting the new harvesters Cong Anni called the bluecoats to protect him from the ‘outlaws.’ The Seit incident where the bluecoats were purged out to the second to the last man started the marine dominoes to fall. And still falling down. And the marines were not alone to die in droves like locusts. Even Army companies. The bottomline is why not leave them alone to fight it out. Its their own problem.

  20. chi - August 28, 2007 8:54 am

    O, wala pala sa chain of command si Gloria e! Ang trabaho lang niya ay magpasarap sa hotel at mangloko sa mga Muslim na nagtiyagang makinig sa kanyang boses palaka (hindi kasin magandang basahin iyong isang tunay na boses niya).

  21. chi - August 28, 2007 9:07 am

    Grabe ang hawak ni Norby Gonzales kay Gloria. ‘yan ang napala ng bruha, lahat kasi ng baho niya ay umalingasaw kaya de-susi na lang ang kanyang kabantutan!

    Ito namang si Dolor ay walang kafino-fino ang dating, super sinungaling din! Hindi naman kailangang nandun siya, o walan siyang tinawagan para ipahinto ang bakbakan. E kung nagpatawag siya sa iba?!

    Sa dami ng mga personalities na involve sa Tipo-tipo incident ay walang nagsasabi ng totoo. Nagtatakipan!

    Ano kaya ang blackmail naman ni Gonzales kay Gloria at nang sabihing “we must control the situation” ay walang pumalag!
    Ayun, pugot ang ulo ng mga marines na ipinakain ni Gloriang absent sa chain of command sa mga hindi tiyak na kaaway!

  22. chi - August 28, 2007 9:14 am

    Dapat matuloy ang hearing at imbestigasyon sa ibinulgar ni Senator Trillanes tungkol sa pugutan sa Tipo-tipo. Ito lang ang makakapagpahinto sa kabaliwan ni Gloria, Mongoloid Gonzales at mga sangkot na military officials na nagdidiyos-diyosan sa Basilan, Tawi-tawi at Sulu!

  23. chi - August 28, 2007 9:25 am

    Gokusen,

    Parang spider web ang situation sa Mindanao na hinabi-habi ni Gloria at military minions kasama diyan si Mongoloid G.
    Hindi na nila alam kung paano lumabas kaya they are controlling the situation na lang!

    In 3 years or more, Gonzales and his military officials will control the Mindanao situation with the commander-in-thief Gloria demoted as their propagandist and dolly!

  24. ystakei - August 28, 2007 9:34 am

    Chi,

    May military junta na hindi pa nakakahalata ang mga taumbayan. Ganyan ang situation ng Japan before WWII as a matter of fact. Lahat ng position sa gobyerno hawak ng mga sundalo. Mga hasa sa guerra sa totoo lang. Kaso itong mga humahawak ngayon ng position sa gobyerno ni unano dahil wala na siyang makuhang sibilyan maliban na lang doon sa mga nasusuhulan nila gaya noong unconfirmed in-justice secretary puro supot at walang ibubuga, at ang alam lang gawin ay mangurakot!

    Quo vadis, bayang sinilangan?!

  25. chi - August 28, 2007 10:43 am

    “…Gloria Arroyo in an apparent attempt at damage control, yesterday assured the public that the conflict in Basilan and Sulu has not developed into a full-blown war with the terrorist Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), saying it is but a “surgical operation” aimed at addressing hostilities to pave the way for the region’s economic development. (Tribune)
    ***

    Hahahah! Nagpapatawa, economic development daw ang dahilan ng gera-gerahan niya sa Mindanao!

    Kahit anong assurance ang ibigay ng bruha sa publiko, bistado na s’ya dito sa Ellenville. I bet, nagpalabas siya ng spin dahil sa matinding articles ni Ellen sa Malaya at sa expose dito ni Gokusen.

    Ano? Nagkakamatay ang mga sundalo, 10 ang napugutan ng ulo dahil sa kapritso niya na iregalo sa kanya si Fr. Bossi, pang SONA, pero “surgical operation” lang pala itong gera-gerahan ng bruha!

    Mga sundalo/marines, narinig ba ninyo ang sinabing ito ng inyong pekeng commander-in chief? Behead this beast!

  26. ystakei - August 28, 2007 11:10 am

    Stupid talaga, Chi. Economic progress at the expense of many lives, soldiers and civilians (Moslems and Christians) alike? Sinong niloloko ng animal na iyan? Nakakakulo ng dugo! Bakit kailangang dumanak ng dugo at bakit kailangang mapugutan ng ulo ang mga sundalong ipinapain nila sa mga phantom na kaaway?

    Someone should take legal responsibility for all these fiascos. No Filipino life should be sacrifice for these criminals! Mahirap ba iyan intindihin? I wonder.

  27. gokusen - August 28, 2007 12:42 pm

    Chi,

    yun eh, akala nila yung Father Bossi kidnaping simpleng drama lang nila na puputok sa takilya, kaso nagkaroon ng “twist” ayun nagkapugutan ng ulo..papano pa mababawi nilangaw sa takilya, para makabangon ayun dinagdagan na naman ng series at ngayon di alam paano tatapusin…kung ibayong trahedya pa ba o to live happily everafter!

  28. Mrivera - August 28, 2007 2:32 pm

    huwag nang ilayo ang inyong pansin!

    maliwanag at nagdudumilat, nagsusumigaw at naglalagablab ang katotohanang pinaglalabo labo ng “love birds in crime” na sina eng eng esPWEron at gloria tililing ang lahat ng pilipino, musslim at kristiyano gayundin ang mga kawal ng hukbo, ang army at marines!

    pag-aralan ninyo ang part 1 nito. busisiin ang ipinangalandakan ni esPWEron na paglulunsad ng all out offensives laban sa kunyari ay kalaban nilang abu sayyaf.

    bayan ko, gising na! tanghali na!

  29. AK-47 - August 28, 2007 2:43 pm

    ang gulo naman ng mga henerals na eto! nagtuturuan pa, di nalang sabihin na utos lahat ni gloria at esperon para matapos na. dapat pala “black box” nalang ang ipalit sa mga utak ng mga walang pusong heneral na eto para malaman ang katutuhanan.

  30. AK-47 - August 28, 2007 2:46 pm

    mrivera,
    wala ka nang taong gigisingin ! pinatay na lahat ni impapaktang gloria!

  31. Mrivera - August 28, 2007 2:50 pm

    tongue,

    ang alam ko lang na hindi nasakop ng mga kastila at hapon ay ang sulu at tawi tawi.

  32. AK-47 - August 28, 2007 2:51 pm

    oppsss… “impaktang” gloria! impapak tuloy. sorry bruha gloria pero hinde ko masikmurang papakin ka dahil isa kang “lason” !

  33. Mrivera - August 28, 2007 9:11 pm

    ak 47 says: “wala ka nang taong gigisingin ! pinatay na lahat ni impaktang gloria!”

    eh, bakit ‘andyan ka pa?

    he he he heeeeh!

    ‘yang ice cream mo, tumutulo na sa ilong mo!

    ay! sipon pala.

  34. parasabayan - August 29, 2007 3:50 pm

    Di ba itong si Dolorfino ang detained noon sa Mindanao ng dalawang araw? Hindi maintindihan kung ano talaga ang ginawa sa kanya. Tapos noong bumalik na siya sa Manila tsaka pa lang niya sinabi ang totoo na detained siya sa kampo ng mga Muslim. Pakiwari ko, wala talagang paninindigan itong mga henerales ni tiyanak. Palpak sila palagi!

    Talaga namang hangang hanga ako sa mga expose dito sa Ellenville. Patok na patok talaga!

    Will the blunders of Gunggong-zales et al slip our senators scrutiny? Dapat talagang walang palalampasin na gawain nitong si tiyanak at ang kanyang alipores. It is about time she is accountable for all her actions!

    Where there is smoke, there is fire!

  35. gokusen - August 29, 2007 3:58 pm

    PSB…

    di sya detained dun ha..pumunta sila dun..tapos habang nag-uusap sila eh yung dapat pagusapan di mapag-usapan gang ginabi na nga dun..ayaw pumayag ng MNLF di matapos ang pag=uusap kaya nag-overnight dun…tapos yung sinasabi na nagbigay ng pera para sa makaligtas sila..hindi totoo yon “blood money” po yun para dun sa naapektuhan nung pangbobomba nila nung 2004…sila pa nga ang nanunog nung isang bahay sa loob ng camp eh….at take note yung baka na inilechon eh di nila gastos ha….well-treated sila dun kasi tao yung mga dinatnan nila dun…pagdating manila hostage daw sila..asus…!

  36. parasabayan - August 29, 2007 3:59 pm

    Magno, hindi nga nasakop ng Kastila at Hapon and Sulu at Tawitawi, si tiyanak at si asspweron lang, by hook or by crook. Maraming pera doon kasi! Biruin mo ransom money, US aid, business interests na kontrolado nila dahil nagagamit nila ang mga politiko na katulad nila Akbar at ang buong kasundaluhan.

  37. parasabayan - August 29, 2007 4:02 pm

    Thanks Gokusen for the clarification.

  38. Mrivera - August 29, 2007 5:08 pm

    parasabayan,

    ‘yan na nga ang nakakalungkot at nakakapagngitngit. sa dinami dami ng mananakop na dumating sa pilipinas na hindi nagtagumpay pasukin ang sulu at tawi tawi, ito pang walang karapatang umaastang pangulong-hindi-naman-hinalal ng bayan ang nagpasimuno ng kaguluhan at pinaikot pa ng 720 degrees ang ulo ng mga kapatid nating muslim?

    sinamantala ni gloria ang pagtitiwala ng mga taga mindanao at ngayon nga ay parang palabigasan niyang pinagkukunan ng malaking “tubo” sa negosyong pagbibili ng karapatan ng pinas sa US, kidnap-for-ransom at ‘yang likas na yamang tinatarget nilang sagana ang buong mindanao.

    sana naman ay huwag mahulog ng tuluyan sa kamay ng mga sukab ang mayamang rehiyon na ‘yan. magising na at matutong ipaglaban ng mga kapatid nating muslim ang kanilang karapatan at suwagin nila ang mga kapwa nila muslim na pulitikong ipinagbili sa alibughang babae ang kanilang katahimikan!

  39. ystakei - August 29, 2007 6:04 pm

    PSB:

    Siguro ang dapat na tanong ay ano talaga ba ang ginawa ni Dolorfino nang kunyari hostage siya ng mga Muslims. Hindi kaya noon pa nakipag-usap na siya sa mga tulisan doon kung papaano pupugutan ng ulo iyong mga marinong ipapadala doon para magkaroon ng dahilan na palitan ng bagong mga guwardya sibil ni unano ang mga sundalong dating nasa ilalim nina Col Querubin para maalis ang takot ni unano? Hanip din ano?

  40. gokusen - August 29, 2007 6:09 pm

    Yuko,

    foul naman yang banat mo eh…di berdugo yung mga yun..nagpunta sila dolorfino dun dahil nga dun sa pinapaasa-asang grp-mnlf peacetalk..kaso pinapaikot-ikot lang nila …gang gumabi di natapos yung usapan..di tulisan yun..ang mga abu ang tulisan…kaw naman…! sila dolorfino at yung grupo niya sumira sa usapan..meron bang hinostage na nakakaikot at nakakapag-usap sa media..? at nanunog pa nung bahay sa loob ng camp…? Yung abu ang namumugot di mnlf!

  41. AK-47 - August 29, 2007 8:06 pm

    mrivera,
    lang hiya ka! tumulo tuloy sipon ko! (up and down pa!) hahaha. wala ata ako panalo sayo, dami mo talaga natutunan sa pagkasundalo mo! di bale sa susunod TKO kana sa akin!

  42. AK-47 - August 29, 2007 8:18 pm

    PSB says:
    “Where there is smoke, there is fire!”

    psb, not at all times,’coz when the soldiers “fires” their weapon (81mm mortar) there was “smoke” but unfortunately there was no “fire” !!! hahahaha….

  43. chi - August 29, 2007 8:35 pm

    AK, mukhang mas naging sharp ka sa Ellenville a! Carry on, heheh!

  44. AK-47 - August 29, 2007 8:47 pm

    chi,
    thanks, wag lang may mahalo na “shark” dito ha? hahahaha… alam mo naman “man eater” ang nilalang na iyan! pero baka matatagalan akong di mka pag blog simula bukas kasi may “mission” ako!… god bless!!!

  45. AK-47 - August 29, 2007 8:50 pm

    chi,
    marami talaga ako natututunan dito, pati sa mga “kalokohan” ni pareng mrivera! sya nagpapatulo ng sipon ko sa katatawa! hahaha…

  46. Mrivera - August 29, 2007 9:07 pm

    “dami mo talaga natutunan sa pagkasundalo mo!”

    eykey portyseben,

    ang natutunan ko sa pagsusundalo ko noon ay kung paano pa palawakin ang tawag ng pakikisama na ipinabaon ni inay noong ako ay madestino sa mindanao. subalit bago pa man ‘yun ang palagi niyang sinasabi sa akin at pangaral ay pagbutihin ko ang pakikisama sa mga taong aking dadatnan saan mang lugar ako makarating at sila ang mag-iingat sa akin mga nagbabalak ng masama pangalawa sa paggabay sa akin ng nasa itaas.

    ‘yang pagpapatawa ay likas na sa akin. at ‘yan ang aking sandata laban sa kalungkutan dito sa malawak na disyertong aking kinalalagyan.

  47. Mrivera - August 29, 2007 9:08 pm

    …..at sila ang mag-iingat sa akin SA mga nagbabalak ng masama pangalawa sa paggabay sa akin ng nasa itaas.

  48. Mrivera - August 29, 2007 9:14 pm

    huwag pagtitiwalaan itong si dolorfino. hudas ‘yang pakawala ni gloria.

    yuko, walang kinalaman ang MNLF sa sulu sa pamumugot ng pinagsamang abu sayyaf at MILF sa mga marines sa basilan.

    pinasama lamang ni dolorfino ang MNLF sa pagsasabi noong makabalik sila sa maynila na sila ay hinosteyds nina ustadz malik. sino ba ang maniniwala sa kanila samantalang ipinakita sa news ang maayos na pinatulugan sa kanila, ang masaya pa nilang pag-uusap sa harap ng hapag at ang hindi pagdis-arma sa kanyang mga sekyuriti?

    di nga ba’t meron pa siyang pahayag habang nasa panamao sila sa kampo nina ustadz na sila ay meron pang mahalagang bagay na dapat tapusing pag-usapan kaya naantala ang pagbalik nila sa maynila?

  49. ystakei - August 30, 2007 2:14 am

    Mrivera: yuko, walang kinalaman ang MNLF sa sulu sa pamumugot ng pinagsamang abu sayyaf at MILF sa mga marines sa basilan.

    *****

    Alam ko kaya nga sabi ko, puede ba tawagin na lang mga tulisan! Sabi ko nga kay Gokusen, kakilala ko si Nur na hindi ko akalaing ganoon katindi ang pagmamahal sa bansa niya na ginawa pa niyang mamundok kesa enjoy-in ang mga puede niyang pagsasaang karaniyaan, etc. sa pagiging isang scholar noong nag-aaral pa siya. Pangiti-ngiti lang siya noon.

    Iyon ngang kababayan nilang kakilala ko rin na mas akala ko pang magiging rebelde ay mataas na ang rangko sa DFA.

    Iyong sinasabing naantalang pagbabalik ni Dolorfino, walang dudang para sa pagpaplano ng gagawin sa ipapadalang mga dating tauhan ni Col. Querubin doon para sila mabawasan, at magkaroon ng vacancy sa binabalak na pagre-recruit ng mga bagong sundalo daw ayon sa information na natanggap ko noon pang Mayo.

    Ang dinig ko, Magno, ay nagre-recruit ng mga bagong sundalong handang magpakamatay para hindi na matanggal si Gloria Dorobo habambuhay! Anong say mo, ha?!

  50. AdeBrux - August 30, 2007 6:22 pm

    Re: A source privy to the investigation conducted by the military said: “For several hours the troops were not able to establish radio contact with the aircraft hence he (pilot) could not determine the location of the enemy as well as the friendly forces. The pilot on his own discretion cancelled the mission since for several hours (2 to 3 hours) there was no contact on the ground and they were running out of fuel.”

    What happened to their brand new radio com equipment? The only reason why the ground troop couldn’t establish radio contact with the aircraft is if the aircraft radio com line was off or channel was wrong!

    What abrakadabra is this?

  51. AdeBrux - August 30, 2007 6:23 pm

    As I was saying in my late July posts re this debacle – send the peacenickers back home, forget the peace talks with the MILF and pummel the intertwined MILF and Abu Sayyaff forces with no let up.

    Sonofabitch Esperon’s head must roll illico!

  52. surotkati - August 31, 2007 1:20 am

    AK-47 Says:

    August 29th, 2007 at 8:18 pm

    PSB says:
    “Where there is smoke, there is fire!”

    ***Agree ako sa sinabi. Ang sigarilyo kasi kung minsan ang sanhi ng sunog. Lesson to remember: To avoid fire, don’t smoke. Sa ibang bansa, mahigpit na pinatutupad ang “No Smoking”. Sa atin, kung saan ang may “sign” na “No Smoking” doon pa sinasadyang manigarilyo.

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