Former UP President Francisco “Dodong” Nemenzo, released last Saturday from two nights detention in Camp Crame, is waiting for a warrant of arrest that will put him back in prison with 34 others who were at the Manila Peninsula last Thursday with Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV and Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim.
Nemenzo is among those charged with rebellion, together with Trillanes, Lim, Vice President Teofisto Guingona, Bishop Julio Labayen, scriptwriter Bibeth Orteza, and a number of Magdalo officers.
I met Nemenzo last Tuesday at GMA-7 when we guested together in Jessica Soho’s “Hot Seat.” In that two-night stay in Camp Crame, Nemenzo was in the same cell with six others including Air Force Capt. Danny Orpiano, and lawyer JV Bautista. He said the officers seem to be in “high spirits” despite what happened.
He related that while police officers who arrested Trillanes manhandled him, the personnel in Camp Bagong Diwa, where they were first brought, applauded warmly upon seeing the popular senator. Many had their pictures with him and asked for his autograph.
“I regret being released too soon because I was enjoying the company,” Nemenzo said.
Nemenzo will be back there soon because the court is preparing warrants of arrest for those who were charged with rebellion.
If Dodong does not seem worried about his case despite the fact that under the Gloria administration justice has been perverted, it’s because this is not his first rebellion case. I remember, he was also included among those subjected to investigation in connection with the Feb. 2006 aborted withdrawal of support from Gloria Arroyo in which Gen. Lim was also charged. Nothing has been heard of that case.
Dodong said last week’s detention in Camp Crame brought back martial law memories. It was the same place where he was first brought to when he was arrested in September 1972.
A political scientist who has studied extensively revolutionary movements, Dodong said as long as Gloria Arroyo is in power, last Thursday’s episode will not be the last.
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My blog is a source of enlightening insights. One is this contribution by Ace:
“In my opinion, from a military point of view , what Gen. Lim and Sen. Trillanes did was a case of a good strategy but as to whether it was a wrong tactic, it’s too early to tell not withstanding the issue of legality (cases that will be filed against them) and the damage to properties, effect on the economy, etc.
“Gen. Lim and Sen. Trillanes, of all people, know the sentiment of the majority of the AFP regarding the issues against GMA and they also know that there are diversities involved within the military establishment as to the methodology of bringing about reforms in the country. These diversities are by-products of brainstorming (shoptalk) within the ranks of the officers and enlisted personnel.
“One needs to understand the military mindset, they don’t appreciate brains without ‘balls’. So, the idea and methodology of one that has the ‘balls’ will eventually dominate the establishment. The word ‘balls’ could mean guts, valor, bravery, courage, sticking one’s neck out, and sacrifice.
“So the cases that will be filed against them, all the criticisms, flak, name-calling (stupid, coward, fool, crazy…),invectives hurled against them by the civilian populace does not matter to them because all these things will fall under the ‘balls’ category which the military (junior officers, enlisted personnel and a very few generals) honors and respects deeply. One should not wonder that the highest award/medal given to a soldier is not a medal of academic excellence but the medal of valor.
“What Gen. Lim and Sen. Trillanes did will serve as a double-bladed dagger piercing through the conscience of a number of officers and enlisted men, and Esperon knows this very well hence the need to augment the NCR Command with forces from the 7th ID and the 2nd ID.”
Sana nga makonsensya ang mga officers and enlisted men to join, stand up and be counted..sana…
Congratulations Prof. Nemenzo! You are/were indeed in good company. You all have “balls”!
I agree that the Pen incident won’t be the last for as long as the unano sits in her stolen throne. Ang layo pa ng 2010, marami pang mangyayari, and one day the Pidal woman will be begging for ‘kahit konting awa’ from the very people she usurped!
I have very high respect for Dodong Nemenzo, although I met him only once and our encounter was quite brief. As an intellectual, I have never doubted his logic (or intention) for siding with Trillanes and Lim. He is fighting for a cause that never dies. Branded as a “rebel,” am sure he can singlehandedly argue his case even without the help of a lawyer. I cannot surmise how many books in revolution/ rebellion he has read as a sensical political scientist. Am also wondering if anyone of Gloria’s lapdogs has ever read even Chapter 1 of, say, Ted Gurr’s “Why Men Rebel?”
I think it is an insult to injury trying to compare Nemenzo to say Angara. Apples to rotten oranges!
Sorry Prof. Nemenzo. your heart is in the right place, pero mali ang pagsama mo sa grupo ni trillanes. ang balita ay gusto ninyo ng MILITARY JUNTA.
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In the past, military juntas have justified their rule as a way of bringing political stability for the nation or rescuing it from the threat of “dangerous ideologies”. In Latin America the threat of communism was often used, while in the Middle East the desire to oppose Israel and later Islamic fundamentalism proved an important motivating pattern. Military regimes tend to portray themselves as non-partisan, as a “neutral” party that can provide interim leadership in times of turmoil, and also tend to portray civilian politicians as corrupt and ineffective. One of the almost universal characteristics of a military government is the institution of martial law or a permanent state of emergency.
Although there are exceptions, military regimes usually have little respect for human rights and use whatever means necessary to silence political opponents. A military regime is also rarely willing to leave power unless forced to by popular revolt, whether active or imminent.
It’s just unbelievable! Meanwhile, gung-ho with Nemenzo; gun-shy with Bedol! Honasan sits in chamber; Trillanes sits in jail! How many more will sell their souls for money?
Biased justice system indeed…
From F. Nemenzo’s own words on Gloria’s “legitimacy crisis,” in Nov. 2006:
“When citizens perceive the government as legitimate, they will obey even if they disagree with its policies; otherwise, they have to be forced to obey. The current political instability is rooted in this widespread perception that the president is a usurper who uses foul means to keep herself in power. All opinion surveys show that most people doubt the legitimacy of her accession in 2001 and her reelection in 2004.
“When those who are supposed to protect her government and enforce her orders doubt her legitimacy as well, her position is precarious indeed. She is lucky that the protest movement has yet to reach the stage of rebellion. Rebellion properly so called involves the use of arms. A peaceful demonstration, no matter how massive, does not constitute a rebellion. Wishing for a coup is not rebellion. But Mrs. Arroyo’s minions, by accusing us of what we have not done, provoke the angry multitude who may be less temperate to turn the fabricated scenario
Into a grim reality.
“Dictators panic when they hear voices of dissent because when people gain the courage to defy, the effectiveness of state coercion is diminished. But a democratic government, confident of its own legitimacy, responds to such voices with equanimity.”
More, by visiting this site: http://www.ipd.org.ph/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49
GMA is even scared of her own shadow let alone the wisdom of Nemenzo!
DinaPinoy, aren’t we in worse position as that of a “military junta”. At least in a military junta maybe we have the corruption down to almost zero. I do not think this is the junta that Lim and Trillanes want because they want one composed of upright civilians. It is only the tiyanak’s camp that is saying that Trillianes and Lim want a military junta to demonize these two heroes!
Military junta? Am afraid this is another kind of branding, just like the way some govts harp the communist threat to scare people. Wondering where the info (mil. junta)comes from. Was it proclaimed by Nemenzo himself?
Ellen,
I find Ace’s post very insightful and his ideas and mine coincide on many points. I have written my take, after taking a detached view of the incident and posted it in my blog entry entitled “Oakwood is in Manila Pen” (tongueinanew.blogspot.com/2007/12/oakwood-is-in-manila-pen.html).
I was looking for the underlying reasons why the duo had to repeat where both have “failed” in the past, meaning Trillanes’ Oakwood and the recorded withdrawal of support Lim failed to deliver in 2006.
My conclusion is that it was part of an old but comprehensive plan compete with all the possible scenarios and that the aftermath of the Pen siege could have fallen squarely under one of the pre-requisite early stages of the conflict.
The ultimate goal is the transformation of society with less participation of politicians and more of the citizens.
Those simpletons who think the stupid plan was to simply capture a staging point and WAIT should read my post.
Tongue, brilliant analysis there. (http://www.tongueinanew.blogspot.com).
Sorry I can’t seem to post comment in blogspots. I don’t know why. My username and password are not being recognized.
Ellen
You can log in as anonymous and make sure you put your name in the post.
Tongue, your analysis also runs parallel to Randy David’s. That explains the conspicuous presence of the police, eclipsing military during the Pen siege. I like it.
Tongue,
if that was part of their plan, it’s bound to fail because it’s not winning public sympathy. true, nagpapakiramdaman na sila sa military, pero nega ang dating sa mga mamamayan. kahit dito sa blog ni ellen, may mga na-turned off.
Re:if that was part of their plan, it’s bound to fail because it’s not winning public sympathy. true, nagpapakiramdaman na sila sa military, pero nega ang dating sa mga mamamayan. kahit dito sa blog ni ellen, may mga na-turned off.
I personally knew Sen. Trillanes and most of the Magdalo Officers but I can’t pity them for what they have got after the”FAILURE”, What important is, they risked what they’ve got, gain nothing… yet, they relayed the message to every Filipino people that we have been greatly abused by Mrs. Arroyo’s government.. Tell me, who deserves disgust and mockery? It is TRILLANES,et al or ARROYO who had done nothing but to preserved her SEAT. Look whose feasting with his allies and spending millions of pesos that we pay. Do you think we deserve that kind of leadership? She can spend millions yet majority of the Filipino people can only eat once a day? Maybe some of us were TURNED OFF.. But do we have the guts to fight injustice,massive corruptions and end our sufferings? We are sleeping,indeed. Before we point our fingers to those who had been involved in Makati Standoff.. let us examine ourselves first.. Sometimes, were only good in TALKING but we lack ACTIONS..You may say I am biased, but it’s a matter of choosing the lesser evil…
Not winning public sympathy? I don’t think so. Initially maybe there were the usual frustrations that the Piglet was not removed as many were praying for, and the piggies of the Dorobo tried to take advantage of by sending agents to blogs and egroups, etc. while everybody was still in shock to try to malign and discredit what Trillanes, Lim, et al have tried to accomplish.
Fortunately, there were the likes of Ellen in the media, Nemenzo, Orteza and even ex-VP Guingona to straighten facts versus the usual Pidal lies and propaganda.
Now, they are even trying to discredit what the media have been able to record of the events that the cameras actually cannot deny happened unless of course the authorities concerned would try to commission the likes of Lapid or Montano perhaps to add clips made in their production studios.
When I saw those video clips of the shooting, I thought that it must have been a recording for it sounded like a real skirmish. May pagulung-gulong pa iyong mga sundalo!
Usual gimmicks, bakit nagtataka pa kayo? Dito nga sa Ellenville ang daming ipinadalang trying hard to poison the minds of Trillanes’ supporters that he was another fake.
Good thing, there are likewise the likes of Ellen, Chi, et al here who cannot easily be persuaded to change what they feel for this soldier whose love of country and people must grow stronger every time the Dorobo and her piggies try to destroy and silence him forever.
They cannot, and that is apparent. Leo yata iyan.
Hi Ellen, Saw you on The Correspondents last night. Such a brave soul. I agree that all the silences do not mean that the people are already tired of this revolts. Just like a magma boiling in the depths of a volcano, the day will come when red hot lava will spurt out to diminish the face of those who believe that they will always be in power.
Again, your head may be bloodied but unbowed!
We salute you and the rest of the journalists, who offered their life to speak of the truth…The Veritas!
As for the public, I won’t say they did not sympathize with Trillanes, Lim and the Magdalos. Kahit tinatakot na nga sila with all those videos of soldiers in full battle gear flashed on TVs I am told that there were already groups about to be deployed there to lend a helping hand. Ang nangyari nahalang nga sila, and those who managed to slip through the sentries, came too late. Tapos na ang drama!
And while they were feeling frustrations and regret, mabilis pa sa alas namang pinalakambio ang mga tuta ni Pidal to spread the lies that Trillanes wanted a military junta, etc. to turn the tied against them. May kumagat naman, but not that many, I am sure! Tahimik lang muna.
Hopefully, Faeldon has escaped and is doing his best out there for the next operation to succeed.
Kumagat ba kayo?
Thanks, Hawaiiianguy. DinaP, look, you didn’t read my blog yet.
It was not sympathy they were after. They got all the sympathy they need. They want to see how far the people are willing to take it. The politicians were purposely kept out of it because the duo wanted to gauge purely the civilians. They chose the people whom they were calling and the politicians were not it. Sure, they had their constituents, especially Binay, Trinidad or JV who can fill the streets in a matter of minutes, but methinks this act was limited to the covenant between Trillanes and his voters, Lim and his troops.
It scared the shit out of Esperon and his henchmen, they had to give way to Ronnie Puno and his patolas because he was trembling stiff. He even had to make sure the ten truckloads of reinforcements that came the next day from Nueva Ecija were HIS.
Why, are the camps in Aguinaldo, Bonifacio, Villamor and Roxas Blvd. (all capable of arriving in twenty minutes or less) already sympathetic to the rebels? Or is the military puzzle that the two dropped on their laps too tough to crack they had to step back to the cops? They had to get a warrant of re-arrest to quell a coup d’etat, bah! Think!
If there’s anyone laughing in Esperon’s, hell, Gloria’s, camp, he ought to have his head checked.
I was asking earlier if there have been confirmation that the missing PAF jet actually crashed around Palawan because if there were none, I believe it’s the reason Esperon has personally gone to Malaysia.
Definitely it’s not about bussing-in a million-or-so paid rallyists carrying packed lunch! That’s what the simpletons believe. Let them.
This is genuine. The citizens’ awakening that will stay for good and not like the 2 EDSAs that went awry as fast at they happened. They were willing to avoid the shortcuts. The people chose to stay. They had to obey. They will just lick their wounds and fight another day.
No sir. It’s not over yet, not by a long shot.
These public officers (and let there be no argument about that) violated the domicile that is the Peninsula hotel. They entered the hotel against the will of the owner (they hadn’t even reserved a room, and merely demanded a room. Being in uniform, and in a group, explain to me how those hapless waiters could have stopped them?) They refused to leave even when asked to do so. That is a violation of the constitutional right of the hotel owners and the guests.
-katrina legarda
how? military yung inekspleyn mo.
It’s Esperon who had the most shit on his face after the incident. Malacañang cannot even trust him now to guard his prisoners they want the “rebels” transferred to Muntinlupa. It isn’t difficult to see who won the hearts of the man in uniform, it was those who had the balls!
Tell me now, who is the biggest losing asshole here? Lim and Trillanes or Esperon?
di ba ito ang sinasabi ko noon pa?
akala ko pa naman, ‘purely civilian’.
12/3/07
The Pinoys were not turned-off with what Senator Trillanes and Gen. Lim did. Good versus evil. This time evil is rewarded. It is so unfortunate. They don’t have armored tanks, tear gases, water cannons to fight the forces of Gloria. In the future if the oppositions catches those people of Gloria, better skin them alive so with all those that she “wine and dine”, up to the next of her kins, so that there is no more dynasty. And their names will be erased from the face of the earth.
Don’t get confused DinaP, Trillanes – for the civilians, Lim -for the soldiers.
Trillanes wanted to see if and how the civilians will defy the troops guarding Manila Pen. They didn’t. Nemenzo was there but he didn’t bring his KME crowd. Argee Guevarra was there but Bayan was in a seminar in UP. Guingona was there but his followers weren’t there. JV Bautista was there but not his Sanlakas group.
It was easy to fool the others that there are people responding to the call with easily five to ten thousand rallyists these group could provide initially, or the bigger groups that sympathetic mayors of adjacent cities could mobilize. They didn’t use those options.
As for Lim, we all know Esperon lost in their own duel too.
Purely civilian = volunteers, no bus rides, no packed lunch, no allowance.
DinaPinoy,
Why is it much better to support Trillanes, you asked? Because of desperation… kapit sa patalim…
The administration of GMA is hopelessly corrupt and will make the Philippines fall further in economic mess… how can you say that the ecomomy is sound because the stock market is bullish? And who, but an idiot, would consider money inflows in the stock market as “investments”, when this money can be withdrawn almost overnight from the Philippine market? Aside from the anomalous ZTE broadband deal, what foreign company had invested in the Philippines, in terms of putting up and/or expanding the factory? Compare that with Vietnam or Indonesia….
Yes, the peso is strong, the stock market is strong… but that has nothing to do with GMA… all regional currencies and stock markets are strong due to the weak US economy… do we have to credit GMA for that?
And since the Philippine economy is now more and more dependent on OFW remittances rather than on export earnings, I say that GMA is mismanaging our economy by pushing more and more people out of the country to work as OFW because the end result is that no industry will develop with all the skilled people out of the country… and she is harping about the plans of making the Philippines a First World country ? She needs to get her bolts tightened… and UP / Ateneo should be ashamed of giving a degree in economics degree to her… under her “able” leadership, the Philippines continuously slid down the ranks of economic competitiveness and slid up the ranks of the most corrupt countries in the world… quite a feat, huh?
So going back to your gloomy scenario that it will be a military junta to rule over us after ousting GMA… personally, I would say, OK lang… at least may pag-asang gagawin nila Trillanes ang tama… with GMA, it will be more of the same… and she had shown her concept of democracy…. For her, democracy is three wolves and a lamb voting on who’s dinner …..
Dinapinoy;
You make a good sense of reasoning. But, what really the motive of Trillanes and his groups? Do they just want to voice out their anger against Gloria and Esperon or they want a revolution? If they want revolution the moved to seek refuge in civilian infrastructure was unacceptable.They will be facing international condemnation.
International humanitarian law forbids using civilians as human shields by placing them next to soldiers or next to military facilities, with the intention of gaining immunity from attack, or by forcing the civilians to carry out dangerous military assignments.
International humanitarian law, which states the rules applying in armed conflicts, requires the sides to distinguish between combatants and civilians, and to protect the lives and dignity of civilians. The Fourth Geneva Convention, in Article 27, states that civilians who find themselves in the hands of one of the parties are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect. They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof.
Article 28 of the Convention expressly prohibits the use of civilians as human shields by placing them alongside soldiers or military facilities, with the hope of attaining immunity from attack. The Convention, in Articles 31 and 51, also prohibits the use of physical or moral coercion on civilians or forcing them to carry out military tasks.
That was the main reason,why I was disappointed with Trillanes and his groups. Don’t get me wrong,I admired Trillanes,but I don’t agree with his move. Should they attack the military camps, maybe, the outcome is different.
obsevation ko lang sa kultura ng kasalukuyang pinoy…..
lahat ng institution sa pinas, masasabi mo na lahat ay dumadanas ng corruption – mula sa simbahan hanggang sa militar. hindi na lihim kay trillanes, lalo na kay lim ang corruption. marami rin ang corrupt sa militar kaya sa tingin ko sila-sila ang nagpapakiramdaman. civilians? kikilos lang iyan kung sila na ang na-aapektuhan.
tongue,
isang tanong ulit. bakit hotel?
“lahat ng institution sa pinas, masasabi mo na lahat ay dumadanas ng corruption – mula sa simbahan hanggang sa militar. hindi na lihim kay trillanes, lalo na kay lim ang corruption. marami rin ang corrupt sa militar kaya sa tingin ko sila-sila ang nagpapakiramdaman. civilians? kikilos lang iyan kung sila na ang na-aapektuhan.” – DinaPinoy
Pero sino ang promotor ng corruption dito sa Pilipinas sa ngayon?
Besides, if you have a gov’t that is willing to explode bombs to create a scenario if not a diversion, dapat na yan palitan…
Sirit na?
National Recovery Program, as amended.
cocoy,
sa oakwood pa lang, noon ko pa itinanong sa sarili ko ang mga bagay na iyan. bakit pinaligiran nila ng bomba ang oakwood? ngayon naman peninsula hotel – a private property. two times, civilians’ rights were violated.
sana naman sa susunod na testing, huwag na sa hotel.
Later, guys. pipdil, bahala ka muna sa bahay. Magbubukas lang ako nitong mga kahon ng Forex, hehehe.
Tongue Twisted,
Shucks! Ilan ba itong bubunuin ko? … by the way, I hope that puro Euros yan at wala dollars dyan…
Sige nood lang ako,kaya nga maganda ang magpahayag ng cockurokuku este,kuro-kuro para malaman natin ang tama o mali,di ba? Sometime,a person must gain respect of being reasonable.
Tongue;
Siguraduhin mong walang Ma-ling iyang kahon.hehehehe!
The crime of coup D’ÉTAT is a swift attack accompanied by violence, intimidation, threat, strategy or stealth, directed against duly constituted authorities of the Republic of the Philippines, or any military camp or installation, communications networks, public utilities or other facilities needed for the exercise and continued possession of power,….
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Kaya ginawa sa Oakwood, because it is not a military camp or installation, public utility, etc. Gayon, din, ang Pen, hindi any of the above.
That is an essential element of the offense. Kung ginawa sa simbahan, Araneta Coliseum, or Pen, kulang sa elements of a coup. The prosecution must prove every element of the offense. Do you see now, why rebellion ang kaso ngayon, not coup? Maybe yan ang depensa ni Robles, at nakita na nilang kulang sa elements.
Ang problema naman sa rebellion, kailangan ng taking of arms. Armado ba si Trillanes?
Gunggong ba ika ng iba? Go to court. Tingnan natin ang galing ng prosecution versus Theodore Te. Manalo man kayo, pagpapawisan kayo. This will not be a knockout; parang Ali v Frazier. Panalo man si Ali, nagka Parkinson’s naman.
Atty, tanong lang po…
yung rule of evidence e gumagana sa isang kangaroo court?
Gloria started at the wrong foot when she grabbed power from erap, she again committed another wrong when she stole the election in 2004. If you started wrong you will never have peace and unity until you settle and bring closure to all the wrongs committed.
yung rule of evidence e gumagana sa isang kangaroo court?
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Kung manufactured, yes.
atty,
sabi nga ni tongue eh testing lang naman. walang coup, walang rebellion. ano kaya ang tawag sa pag take over ng hotel?
“ano kaya ang tawag sa pag take over ng hotel? ” – DinaPinoy
Buyout? Foreclosure? … he-he-he…
ano kaya ang tawag sa pag take over ng hotel?
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It can be some other offense, but not a coup nor a rebellion. Criminal law is strictly construed (interpreted) against the government, and in favor of the accused, whether Trillanes, Jaime Jose (rapist of Maggie dela Riva – ganyan ako katanda), or a snatcher.
Kung coup lang o rebellion, kulang sa elements. If they want to lock up Trillanes, they better do a more thorough research.
Why coup or rebellion and demanda? Dahil walang bail, so puwedeng idemanda, then prolong the case.
“yung rule of evidence e gumagana sa isang kangaroo court?
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Kung manufactured, yes. ” -atty36252
And what are the chances that Trillanes, Lim, and company will be tried by a kangaroo court, under present circumstances?
And what are the chances that Trillanes, Lim, and company will be tried by a kangaroo court, under present circumstances?
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Frankly, I don’t know. Maaaring may malinis diyan, katulad ng Judge sa Olongapo rape (Smith). So the crucial thing is to guard the raffling of the case. Nandiyan si Guingona, JV Bautista, and other lawyers. It’s not impossible, but cooking the raffling to send the case to a friendly judge will be a tall order.
I was like a sore-loser when the Manila Penn protest ended, too. It took me a few days to realize that it could be tactics as well. They’re definitely not that stupid. They didn’t graduate their respective military schools for just doing elementary tactics for chrisakes! There’s a method to the madness.
I just read your blog, tongue. Very excellent analsyis you have there. They did achieved by gaining national attention to the military and people as well. I thought what they also did is not only communicate to military and people, but, also assess on how Gloria forces responds, just like the movie, “Last Castle”. It also a way of conditioning people’s mind that there are more things to come to get ready when the need arises, I think…
Atty36252,
All i am saying is that the things you have said earlier will only be useful if Trillanes, Lim and company will not land in a kangaroo court… otherwise, all your efforts will be useless…
And i have no illusions that the gov’t will insist on a fair trial for the group… going by their record…
Sabi mo nga Tongue, the amplified shooting must have really frightened many of those who had managed to slip through the sentries. In fact, I saw some media people outside of the hotel during the siege after the hotel guests were removed, and they surely looked frightened to their bones. Nakasalalay pa nga ang mga kamay sa ulo dahil akala nila matatamaan sila ng bala.
Kaya nga sabi ko ang galing manakot ni Piglet Dorobo! Nope, hindi manakot, kundi manduro!!!
PD:
Kung may nabayaran doon sa sumali sa Pen standoff, I can assure you it was not Trillanes, Lim nor any of the now tested Magdalos who have not surrendered to the piglet dorobo and her general!
Tongue,
I know some friends who have texted me that they were not allowed to enter Makati. Before they could find another route, tapos na!
Very incisive analysis Tongue.
Your point about Esperon not knowing when the next “shot” will be fired reminds me of a Sinn Feing quotable quote. The government needs to get it right all the time, every time. The Magdalos need to score only once.
As salesmen like to say, even if the probability of a sale is only one percent, every no brings the salesman closer to a yes.
Exactly, ipaglaban_mo. And you summarized the whole thing in just about five sentences. Well, what do you know, Manolo Quezon’s blog quoted it today, taking note of the military angle many seemed to have left out in their analysis.
Teka, tama na iyang pagbubuhat ng bangko, heheh.. Thanks atty, now the scenario is complete. Kaya pala sa hotel… and to think, nagtatanong din si Katrina Legarda, I just lost my amdiration of her. Wala na rin sa hulog.
Re Tongue’s “It isn’t difficult to see who won the hearts of the man in uniform, it was those who had the balls!”
Wala ng iba pa! We got balls!
# DinaPinoy Says:
December 5th, 2007 at 10:02 am
sana naman sa susunod na testing, huwag na sa hotel.
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Saan ang suggestion mo na lugar?
Atty,
Klaro ang post mo kung bakit Pen (hotel) and pinili nina Trillanes, “Kung ginawa sa simbahan, Araneta Coliseum, or Pen, kulang sa elements of a coup.”
Heh, naisahan sila ng grupo ni Gen. Lim ang Trillanes!
# piping dilat Says:
December 5th, 2007 at 10:31 am
“ano kaya ang tawag sa pag take over ng hotel? ” – DinaPinoy
Buyout? Foreclosure? … he-he-he…
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HA! HA! HA!
Dapat nga ay pasalamat ang Pen sa grupo nina Trillanes at Gen. Lim, lalo silang sumikat at mas maraming magho-hotel sa kanila ngayon.
Since someone mentioned Katrina Legarda’s take on the issue, I was piqued to read her. Comparing her analysis with that of atty36252, I give more weight to atty’s.
Still, I keep asking for info being a keen observer from afar. Were Trillanes and Lim, and the other civilians with them ARMED? So, all of them in the group are “common criminals” for breaking the law? (KL says: “A senator who CAUSES destruction to private buildings is a common criminal.” What? My eyes must be deceiving me, I thought those APCs and the battalion of attacking policemen are directly responsible for the pandemonium that broke loose during the siege.)
HG:
I was not there, but all the video clips that we received at the TV studios where I did some translations of the event showed that the good Senator was not armed. And so was General Lim. They were always surrounded by the media as a matter of fact. Things just happened so fast apparently and there was no time for some maneuvering unlike the military/police outside who even did what looked like some stunting!!! 😛
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You said it, HG. All the holes, etc. destructions to the hotel were caused by those at the entrance and outside of the hotel, not from inside of the hotel, not from inside it.
I wonder if this Katrina has received an early gift likewise from the White Lady. 😛
Tongue,
I’m the # 11 (anonymous) blogger sa blog mo. Bakit hindi nagregister and alan ko? I put my name on the post a.
HW,
Kasi si Katrina Legarda ay naiwan sa pansitan! Simpleng simple ang explanation ni Atty natin dito, and yet and daling sundan.
Yuko, so they are not armed, contrary to the statement of KL that corroborates those of Sir Raul O and other sipsips.
Now, speaking of “causes” I think some people are blinded by their belief in the chicken-and-egg cycle. Causality is integral to any logic, be it in any lingo – law or whatever. Never mind the fact that the police directly “caused” the destruction of Pen Hotel. In the ultimate analysis, something (S) causes the action of Trillanes (T) that in turn led to the destruction (D)of Pen. Isn’t it logical to say that S is what led to D?
Piping Agimat;
“ano kaya ang tawag sa pag take over ng hotel? ”
Buyout? Foreclosure? … he-he-he…
Napatawa ako sa iyo.Pero sa palagay ko ay ganito;The case of Trillanes and Lim at the Peninsula is burglary.A burglary crime is a crime committed when a person breaks into, enters unlawfully, or forcefully enters a dwelling own by another person. If you break into a home, that’s a burglary. If you break into a hotel, grocery, storage facility, garage, etc, that’s burglary. It doesn’t matter if someone is home or not. The crime is committed because they unlawfully placed themselves in a place they are not authorized to be in.Understand that the law is based on it’s written meaning. A judge could place them in jail for a very long time based on the meaning and wording of the law, not on there intent.
Hawaiianguy;
I agree with xyz.S=D.Hehehe!
HW,
I’d like to deduce that the ‘kawalanghiyaan at kababuyan’ ni Gloria Pidal(S) led to the destruction (D) of Pen.
Nakita ko yong mga pictures sa blog ni tongue..military tanks ba yong nasaloob ng hotel? At kung may nasira man sa pagpapasok nitong mga military tanks sino ang babayad sila Sen. Trillanes at Gen. Lim? Iba ang katwiran nila…
Atty: thanks for all the clarifications…
Chi;
Dapat nga ay pasalamat ang Pen sa grupo nina Trillanes at Gen. Lim, lalo silang sumikat at mas maraming magho-hotel sa kanila ngayon.
Chi binabalak ng Pen management na magkaroon ng settlement kay Razon.Gusto ng hotel na magiging part of settlement iyong tanke ay mapunta sa kanila at gagawin nilang display sa lobby,para sa picture taking ng mga turista and also,the driver is a part of it,gagawin nilang bell captain.Hehehe!
About Pen, and the damages to it, ang magaling(maningil) na abogado sues the guy with the money.
Remember Abner Louima? Hindi ba ang pulis ang may hate, at sila ang nagwalis ng wet-pu ni Abner? Pero sino ang dinemanda at nagbayad? The City of New York, dahil daw negligent in not judiciously selecting its cops.
So the Pen should sue the government, to get its own share of some brown paper bags.
Hey,guys! Saludo ako sa mga opinion ninyo except dina.. and thanks to atty for the enlightenment. Yes, Sen. Trillanes and Gen. Lim were unarmed during the incident. And dapat sisihin sa mga nasira sa MANILA PEN ung mga nerbyosong tuta ni GLORIA.. 2000 soldiers/police versus less than 100 people? Huh! only in the Philippines.. That’s how far this bogus gov’t can go to preseve PANDAK’S seat, no matter what, kahit maraming taong dumamay.. REBELLION? The question is, does her government deserves the respect? I think no rebellion is committed against her government. illegal government!
In civil lawsuit,lawyers are selective.The first thing comes in there mind is the money.Now, who has the money in this case.Trillanes and Lim’s bank account maybe,won’t cover the lawyer’s gas expenses.So,make a guess.But,the government will not let the two be exempted.
Cocoy,
Better business for Pen in the next years. The management should not forget sending Thank You cards to my idols, AT4 Gen. Lim and Magdalos.
Tongue,
So sorry, I forgot to type my name pala sa post. Anyway, superb ang analysis mo re Pen standoff.
Chi;
First they need to find out what are the motive of Trillanes and Lim.If they call the people to revolt,that’s rebellion.If they call a military uprising that’s coup. If they withdraw support from Gloria that is divorce.Hehehe! No jail term in divorce cases.
“The case of Trillanes and Lim at the Peninsula is burglary.” – cocoy
Burglary? Ayaw yata ng gobyerno yan… bailable yan di ba? Kaya nga kailangang mag”produce” ng mga incriminating evidences ang PNP to pin down Trillanes, Lim , et al… sa isang non-bailable offense…
At ngayon lang ako nakakita nang burglary na ginamitan nang ganyang katinding kapulisan…
may “nakawan” raw palang nangyari sa Manila Pen during the siege… pero bakit hindi maalis-alis sa isip ng mga tao na hindi Magdalo yung nagnakaw sa Manila Pen but yung mga pulis na lumusob… baka yung media na naiwan sa loob ng Manila Pen e pwedeng tanungin tungkol dito… Ellen?
Sa susunod kasi kapag may mga ganyang police operation, para wag pagdudahan ang mga ka-pulisan, dapat pagsuotin sila ng uniporme na walang bulsa! … di ba, Gen Razon?
Military Junta?
Even if the Lim/Trillanes tandem succeed in toppling GMA, and that these two will led a Caretaker Government, it will not assume a military spirit for Trillanes is now a civilian by virtue of being voted by millions to the senate.
Trillanes has the moral ascendancy of an elected leader, courage of a soldier, idealism of a boy scout.
It will therefore be a Civilian Military Transition Government.
The perfect formula to effect reforms both in the civilian bureaucracy and military establishment.
Hindi pala planting evidence lang, mayroon pang harvesting-looting. Paki-tanong kay General Barias kung kumita siya. Sabi ni PNP chief Razon pa-imbestigahan daw ang looting incident sa Manila Pen. Ano pa di ituro ang Magdalo.
Diego;
Sabi ni PNP chief Razon pa-imbestigahan daw ang looting incident sa Manila Pen. Ano pa di ituro ang Magdalo.
Magkape muna tayo.Hehehe!Mayroong wetness doon na nakakita na ibinulsa daw ng isang pulis ang isang dosenang kutsarita. But,it was an old man who witnessed sa pagbubulsa.Ininterogate siya ng mga detectib
Det: “Did you see the policeman commit this burglary?”
Old man;”Yes,I saw him plainly take the silver spoon.”
Det; “This happened at night. Are you sure you saw a policeman commit this crime?”
Old man; “Yes, I saw him do it.”
Det; Ask him again.”Listen, old man, you are 70 years old and wearing glasses, your eye sight is probably bad, just how far can you see at night?”
Old man;”I can see the moon, the star and the sun ,how far is that?”
Foreign Resident Manager pa ang ninakawan ng mga PNP personnel, at nagparty pa raw sa dalawang kuwarto, dipping their hands into what the refrigerators therein could serve.
It would be impossible if there was no high ranking officers there.
Nasa kultura talaga ng mga dating PC.
Ellen,
Thanks for the quote.
Manang mana ang mga PNP sa kanilang nanay, abusado at mapagsamantala ang dating, walang hiya pa. How could they even think of looting the hotel? Baka naman sabihin pa ng mga pulis na ito na ang nagnakaw ay ang mga Magdalo o baka naman si Sen Trillianes o si Gen Lim pa. Napakacheap naman ng mga ito! Nakakahiya talaga! Paano ang illegal nga na presidente at ang kanyang alipores ay puro magnanakaw so ang sabi ng mga pulis, kami naman!
Ellen,
Being a non-lawyer, I have a few layman questions regarding the Manila Pen stand off (hoping that we could finally put to rest this “rebel takeover thesis” that’s going around:
1. Was the Manila Pen SEIZED by armed rebel faction of the AFP? Seized meaning that its owners, staff, guests at the point of the gun and its guards were disarmed as in a real hostage situation.
2. Was there a declaration to that effect, i.e., takeover by force of the hotel, by Messrs Trillanes and Lim or any of those uniformed people in their company?
3. Did the owners of the Manila Pen or its managers at any given point make known to the group and their companions including the members of media that they ought to vacate Manila Pen?
4. What was or were the reactions of the paying guests? Did they object to the presence of Messrss Trillanes and Lim, their company and the members of media who were there to cover the event?
5. Who in fact caused material damages to Manila Pen? And while I’m at it, why is there a military tank in the middle of the great hall at Manila tank (saw the incredible pics in Tongue’s blog)?
6. In essence, the threat to life and limb of innocent lives and bystanders realistically came from the “forces of peace”, i.e., police than from the Trillanes and Lim group who after all were, in my opinion, merely holding a PRESS CONFERENCE calling for the ouster of Gloria.
7. On the material destruction of parts of The Manila Pen: What I don’t understand is why a tank should ram the doors of Manila Pen… There are a number of entry and exit points at Manila Pen through which the so-called elite of the PNP could engage police maneuvers if they had really wanted to do solve the problem with more common sense. So why didn’t they?
I have more questions, Ellen but that will be all for the moment. My point is that the Police, in my opinion as a layman, are totally responsible for the damages caused to the hotel and not Messrss Lim and Trillanes…
Sinong niloloko nila? Kitang-kita naman sa camera nang dinala sina Trillanes, Gen. Lim, et al na wala silang dala o may nakumpiska ang sabi nga ng kaibigan ko na mga namumuking sanggano na dumakip sa kanila without a warrant kaya caught on the act kuno ang labas na tawag namin dito “genkohan taiho”!!!
Kaya nga siguro gusto nilang makakuha ng mga footages na nakuha ng ABS-CBN, GMA7, etc. para retokehin nila gaya ng pagretoke ni Bello sa mukha ni piglet Dorobo! Kailangan daw na ipalabas na kasalanan ng Magdalo lalung-lalo na si Sonny Trillanes na hindi siya huhumpayan na palayasin sa totoo lang.
Anna, sabi ng mga kaibigan ko sa Spain, nagpa-cute daw si piglet Dorobo kay Juan Carlos kaya hindi mapakali si Sophia! Tapos iyong Fatso akala mo raw maamong tupa! Trying hard daw na ma-impress iyong mga kastila para hindi na raw i-question kung talagang descendant siya noong santang hindi naman nanganak. Kapal talaga!!!
Guys and gals,
Malapit na naman ang Pasko at for sure, papapel na naman ang unano sa NAIA para salubungin ang mga “bagong-bayani” kuno.
Sa mga kabayan nating uuwi ngayong pasko, kung sakaling matiyempuhan nyong nanduon ang tiyanak, baka naman pwedeng paki-duraan o kaya ay murahin nyo na para naman maka-ganti kayo sa pahirap sa atin ng impakta.
What do you think
Shocking naman ang sinasabi ninyong nag-looting iyong mga sanggano. But I can believe it. Walang pinag-iba iyan doon sa mga dumadalo sa mga handaan na pati kubyertos inuuwi!!!
Broadbandido:
Sayang hindi ako umuuwi sa Pilipinas kasi wala na akong uuwian doon. Sarap sanang duraan si piglet kung aarte siya sa NAIA para maka-attract ng mga sabik na mga OFW. Sasamahan ko pa ng katakot-takot ng plema! 😛
Tongue,
Re: “They had to get a warrant of re-arrest to quell a coup d’etat, bah! Think!”
Anyway, technically, there is no coup d’état — holding a press conference in Manila Pen does not fall in the category of coup d’état.
And I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOUR TAKE: Esperon couldn’t, didn’t want the risk of sending military to Manila Pen even if only to negotiate as was their tack before because that would have have ignited what he truly dreaded: the risk that sympathizers from an armed military component that he will be sending could start off a real coup d’état…
In that Trillanes-Esperon duel, Esperon, ever the coward, backed down because he knew that he had an effing chance of losing the armed forces to a Lim-Trillans tandem!
if soldiers already jailed can threaten this government, what more those with arms and units? gloria is under big trouble when that moment comes
although i blame trillanes for not planning things carefully, and for being too reliant on massive support, i still agree that this government is worth rebelling against. i hope the people involved or would-be involved would’ve learned their lesson the next time around. sonny is still young, he could learn from this experience. marami pa siyang kakaining bigas. hehehehe. he might end up president one day. at 36, and already a senator, many things could happen.
“he might end up president one day. at 36, and already a senator, many things could happen” -az times
I once watch Ninoy narrating in a documentary how Marcos envied him (incarcerated) because he had all the time to read books while Marcos was too busy and cannot find time to read one.
Paging Noli de Castro….
Were you not supposed to lead the government panel in a dialogue with media? Where are you? VP Puno probably?
The siege is over and done with! Stop hiding!
Or is it dead man walking?
Yung footage sa Pen, puwede bang i-upload sa youtube?
Mahirap na, baka ma-edit.
Baka makitang kumakain ng steak si Trillanes, so armado siya with a deadly weapon.
Piping dilat,
“Sa susunod kasi kapag may mga ganyang police operation, para wag pagdudahan ang mga ka-pulisan, dapat pagsuotin sila ng uniporme na walang bulsa! … di ba, Gen Razon?”
Naku, makikipagpatayan na talaga ang kapulisan niyan, hahahah!
Sampot,
“Trillanes has the moral ascendancy of an elected leader, courage of a soldier, idealism of a boy scout.”
Perfect!
The Rise of the Untouchables
The administration congressmen have once again shown how they can legalize plunder and systematic culling of the population by closing ranks and shelving the “cheaper medicines bill.” It is apparent that the highly paid lobbyists of the multinational companies have clinched a lucrative deal with these solons and maybe even the palace. Of course, the upside for this is that we may not need any population control measures anymore, the poor will just die off as they will never be able to afford medicines anymore. The sixty or more farmers that walked from Bukidnon to Malacanang, a feat that took two months, were just shrugged off by the palace and were told to go to DAR, in the first place, who was it that nullified their land titles in favor of an influential company?
More recently, we saw an elected official, by eleven million votes, being manhandled, dragged unceremoniously by a police general. Is this how an elected official of the land should be treated? Is it really “civilian rule over the military or the other way around?”
And how come it took forever to find out Ninoy’s killers (who are still not found by the way), and it only took hours to solve the batasan bombing, even the motorcycle used came with a proof of purchase.
How can some people still say respect the “rule of law” with a straight face in the midst of all these? This so called “rule of law” as always touted by GMA (rather condescendingly to ignorant people like you and I) and her cohorts has become a tool for “legalizing” their selfish, immoral, and gluttonous pursuits. By deftly manipulating our democratic processes, they have succeeded in using the “numbers game” to their advantage.
Now everything they do will appear legal, every impropriety, yes, even murder, as long as there is no evidence, they can get away with it. Who can say these people can’t use the “rule of law” to stay in power? The opposition? Another EDSA? Who can oppose them really? Probably, a lone senator, a lone general, old men, priests, and a handful of media people with matching plastic cable ties (now how can they not afford decent handcuffs with all their intelligence budgets?) Whether we like to accept the fact or not, they have become “untouchables.”
But who are we to complain? The economy is doing great, more foreign investment is coming in, the stock market is bullish, on paper (and television), the country is doing well, extremely well that is. We are able to pay our debts on time, making our credit rating look good, so we can borrow more money, for infrastructure, for education, for investment generating projects, in truth – more money to line “their” pockets. Of course all matter of “window dressing” is in order to make all this “legal.” If it’s a numbers game, and they undoubtedly have the numbers, what can anyone do anymore except make a lot of noise? Even for that you need a permit, it’s the “rule of law.”
Anna,
“What I don’t understand is why a tank should ram the doors of Manila Pen” while there are exit points….
Because they knew of the presence of moving and TV cameras that would capture their award-winning moves! Bakya talaga!
Chi,
Pinakita ba diyan iyong pagulong-gulong pa ang mga sundalo habang pinapuputukan nila sina Trillanes to make it look that the Magdalos were firing back? Yuck nga ako ng yuck habang nagta-translate ako ng video galing Pilipinas. Sobra ang OA! Para kang nanood ng pelikula ni Cesar Montano sa totoo lang!
Obstructing justice daw iyong mga media—kasi nabuking sila! Ulol pala iyang Puno na iyan, ano? Iyan din yata ang nagpahamak kay Erap e kasi tanda ko kasama rin i Erap iyan.
Nakakahiya naman ang bobong iyan!
Yung analyses ni Tongue, Anna, Atty and friends…O di ba naisahan talaga nina Trillanes ang Unano at Ass? Hindi aaksyon ng ganyan ang “rebel” group ng hindi pinag-isipan ng husto, si Gen. Lim pa!
Lumalaon ay nakikita natin kung gaano nahintakutan si Ass at Unano sa threat ng tunay na coup kung nagmatigas ang mga “rebelde”. They could have but didn’t (handa silang mamatay); they have souls and know that life (collateral damage/ civilians) is too precious to just feed to the monsters Gloria and Ass.
Panalo sina AT4, Gen. Lim and Magdalos except sa mata ng mga naiwan sa pansitan at sa mga kritiko na ang basehan ng victory ay hanggang pisikal lang.
War is not won by a single battle but a series of encounters, skirmishes, and maneuvers. Some you lose, some you win, but most important is constancy to purpose…
Yuko,
Unfortunately I didn’t see any of their moves televised here. I guess televisions sensed that the kapulisan were just overacting, heheh!
Nice, Juggernaut.
Juggernaut,
“How can some people still say respect the “rule of law” with a straight face in the midst of all these?”
Only a psycho and inveterate liar can!
At ngayon lang ako nakakita nang burglary na ginamitan nang ganyang katinding kapulisan…–Piping Agimat.
Mabuti nga at nag-work iyong plan A ng kapulisan ni Razon at sumuko na sila.Mas matindi iyong plan B ni Esperon kung pumalpak si Barias.Plan B–The Philippine Airforce will use the widow maker helicopter to pull the Peninsula Hotel up in the air and dump it in Manila bay.The Navy seals frogmen of the Philippine Navy will retrieve Trillanes group under the sea.The Philippine Coast Guard will bring them ashore.-Joc-Joc.
Chi: Only a psycho and inveterate liar can!
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Sinabi mo pa, Chi. Kawawang Pilipinas! Binaboy nang husto ng mga Pidal at mga sipsip na naghihintay ng padulas mula sa kaban!!!
Sa totoo lang hindi ko maintindihan kung bakit may umaayon pa sa mga burot! Unbelievable talaga! Imbes na matuwa doon sa nagtangkang ibagsak na si piglet Dorobo! Right or wrong, dapat lang ang ginawa nina Trillanes, Lim, et al.
Puede namang peaceful sa totoo lang na hindi dadanak ng dugo gaya ng ginawa ng mga Thai kay Thaksin, pero dami pa rin palang duwag gaya noong mga pagulong-gulong pa wala naman palang kaaway dahil sina Lim at Trillanes naman ay malumanay na nanawagan sa mga akala nilang gising na! Susmaryosep!
Dapat nga gayahin nila ang ginawa ng mga Thai na nag-alsa nang nasa London si Thaksin, e di talsik siya. Bilis pa sa alas-kuwatrong kumilos pati mga civilian sa Thailand. Kung sabagay, may basbas ng hari nila.
Sa Pilipinas naman kasi, feeling queen na iyon piglet lalo na ngayong rubbing shoulders siya sa mga royalty ng Europe. May recommendation pa siguro ngayon from Sophia doon sa mga tiyo niya sa England kasi si Prince Philip sa totoo lang ay blood relations niya.
Kailan pa kaya kikilos talaga ang mga pilipino? Pagputi ng uwak o pagdating ng mga puti?
Akala ko ba ay ayaw na ng mga Pilipino ang Martial Law.Bakit gusto nila ng Military Junta.Para na nilang sinabi na ayaw na nilang kumain ng kanin pero gusto nila ng fried rice samantalang sa bigas din nangaling.Junta is a group of military officers ruling a country after seizing power.Military Junta is a military dictatorship.Kung mapapasailalim lang ang Pilipinas sa Military Junta,ay mas gugustuhin ko pa si Gloria kahit sabihin nating kurap siya.Sa palagay n’yo ba pag nagkaroon ng military junta ay aalis pa sila sa puwesto.Hindi na,forever na sila d’yan.Sinong niloloko nila na ibabalik pa nila sa civilian rule.Kung naniniwala pa kayong magkakaroon ng civilian supremacy,ako hindi.Ang unang agenda ng junta is to disarm the civilian.
There will more massive corruption because all the military leaders under Junta government will live in luxuries.Building military arsenal is the main concern.Marami ang mawawalan ng trabaho dahil aalis ang mga investors at mga capitalist.Kayo na lang sa Junta,pagtiyagaan ko na lang si Gloria.
Takot na takot sila kay Trillanes for what he may become someday kaya ganoon na lang ang propaganda nila against him na ginagamit pa iyong mga “nahuli sa pansitan o wala sa pansitan.”
Yes, Yuko. Trillanes is real and the unano is so scared of reality. Iba ang mundo ni Glue, mundo ng guni-guni!
A former UP President and Professor Emeritus, Francisco “Dodong” Nemenzo refused to speak to a lawyer in Nov 2006 DOJ hearing. He has chosen to speak his own voice “to show the opposition cannot be cowed”. He stressed that “it is our patriotic duty to defend the area of freedom that people’s power carved out in the struggle against Marcos dictatorship” and that “the best way to defend freedom is to exercise it”.
The irony is that the illustrious professor who served 45 years of university service is advocating shortcuts and cutting corners to change the leader of a democratic society while UP students have to earn their admission into college and prove their worth in academic excellence to get their degrees.
As Chairperson of Laban ng Masa, the Dr. Nemenzo decried on weak regimes following dictatorship in his Constraints on Democratization in the Philippines. He lamented that the “state is too weak to protect the rights of its citizens and enforce its laws” and the “state remains captive of the present legal framework”.
Under Dr. Nemenzo’s 45 yrs of university of service, UP college has produced the largest number of bar topnotchers, highest bar passing rates and majority of past and present members of the Supreme Court. In fact, we have 9 justices from UP College sitting in current Supreme Court including the Chief Justice Reynato S Puno. The other members are Leonardo Quisumbing, Consuelo Ynares-Santiago, Antonio Carpio, Ma Alicia Austria-Martinez, Conchita Carpio-Morales, Minita Chico-Nazario, Cancio Garcia and Presbitero Velasco Jr. These brilliant justices educated in the same institution of Dr Nemenzo have wages numerous battles to run the Philippine justice system. Probably the greatest irony, the illustrious professor has demolished the very justice system run by UP professionals.
Thanks to Dr. Nemenzo telling the world of where he is coming from. There is a subtle message that there is no need for education after all. Or that the Professor Emeritus or UP as institution has become a dismal failure to shape the topnotch professionals (justice system) in country’s governance.
Each time that Gloria leaves the country…who is in charge?
It has been a couple of days that she left I have not seen nor heard Noli de Castro (isn’t he the elected VP) elected lang ba and not to serve (like Trillanes)? Kung wala si Noli who is the designated hitter for her?..
ah, kaya pala hotels ang ‘ginagamit’ nila ay para hindi sila makasuhan ng ‘rebellion’ or ‘coup’. nice moves. kaya lang, ‘nang-gamit’ sila for their own ‘self interest’.
“If Dodong does not seem worried about his case despite the fact that under the Gloria administration justice has been perverted, it’s because this is not his first rebellion case. I remember, he was also included among those subjected to investigation in connection with the Feb. 2006 aborted withdrawal of support from Gloria Arroyo in which Gen. Lim was also charged. Nothing has been heard of that case.”
Former UP President Francisco “Dodong” Nemenzo is an expert in exploiting legal loopholes.
1. Inclusion of the name in rebellion case “Prudencio Dodong Nemenzo” is wrong and his name did not appear in the letter of transmittal.
2. On charges of conspiracy, he stated that there is nothing conspiratorial of a meeting discussing a blueprint to overthrow a government that is already discussed in the academe world. (You have to charge those who previously engaged in such similar discussion).
3. On the affidavit against him as meeting with Renato Constantino and other fugitives, he countered that he was a frequent visitor of Renato Constantino and have not seen any soldier.
4. On the charges of rebellion, he explains rebellion as the use of arms. A peaceful demonstration, no matter how massive, does not constitute rebellion.
Once again, the handiwork of Professor Emeritus Francisco “Dodong” Nemenzo is employed in Trillanes takeover of Manila Penn.
Rose,
“Kung wala si Noli who is the designated hitter for her?”
Si Puno at Ermita, no doubt.
# DinaPinoy Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 3:09 am
ah, kaya pala hotels ang ‘ginagamit’ nila ay para hindi sila makasuhan ng ‘rebellion’ or ‘coup’. nice moves. kaya lang, ‘nang-gamit’ sila for their own ’self interest’.
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Sinong ‘nang-gamit’ ng Pen para sa sariling interes? Ang mga pulis na magnanakaw na ibinisto na ng management!
“Once again, the handiwork of Professor Emeritus Francisco “Dodong” Nemenzo is employed in Trillanes takeover of Manila Penn.” Do you imply a rational, coordinated planning between him and Trillanes?
Overall, I see two opposing conditions in the Pen incident. One, resort to coercive power of the state to protect itself. The other, the use of persuasive power by a small group of unarmed citizens to denounce pretenders to power. Between them, it’s easy to imagine who wins, at least in the short run. Those who use legitimate authority, not naked power, are justified to suppress dissent. Does Gloria possess that cloak of legitimacy? Is her action justified under the “rule of law”?
We always ask, why would an intellectual like Prof. Nemenzo throw his support to a group that is bound to “fail”? And why would Trillanes and Lim do the impossible, when they already had a taste of defeat doing the same thing?
Those who criticize Nemenzo and Trillanes, I believe, display the syndrome of “blaming the victims” rather than “sanctioning the oppressors.” The sins of the victims would never compare to the perfidy of their Machiavellian oppressors.
After all the commentary about the AFP what will they do.
But do they have the balls? Do they!
Come February another so called General will be retiring from the service of the AFP and no doubt given a plumb office in government along with the many other so called AFP Generals who under the noses of the ‘rank & file’ gave the whole AFP setup to the Arroyo’s as their private army complete with Philippine Academe and National Police Force for a lump sum and a private pension.
If that is not amazing within this corrupt administration what is amazing is that it was done quite openly with the full knowledge of the ‘rank & file’ knowing full well that their organization which once proudly upheld The Constitution Of The Republic Of the Philippines for the people was being destroyed by these corrupt so called AFP Generals even when a ‘few good men’ stood firm against the move and were jailed for doing so.
Except for these ‘few good men’ the bulk of the rank & file have been hoodwinked by this gang of criminals by being told they must ‘obey the chain of command’ they must be joking, what chain of command, that of a private criminal gang for a lump some and pension deal for the so called retired AFP Generals.
Its about time that the rank & file awoke from their slumber and regained control of their constituted organization for the sake of themselves not only the people.
But the question is ‘Do the rank & file have the balls?’
“Those who criticize Nemenzo and Trillanes, I believe, display the syndrome of “blaming the victims” rather than “sanctioning the oppressors.” The sins of the victims would never compare to the perfidy of their Machiavellian oppressors.” – hawaiianguy.
The UP Professor Emeritus Nemenzo have molded the brilliant legal minds in the country’s governance. The legal framework (which he claimed held the state captive) is run mostly by UP professionals. Is he trying to pay for his sins? Or he is giving up hope that education once he championed is a lost cause in the country of 90 million?
“Is he trying to pay for his sins? Or he is giving up hope that education once he championed is a lost cause in the country of 90 million?” I can’t say anything about the motive of Nemenzo, as am not privy to his thoughts. Besides, he is just a mentor among the many of those “brilliant legal minds.” However, I am likely to give credence to the influence of those UP law professors who molded their legal minds, not a professor like Nemenzo during the undergraduate years. Otherwise, every UP law/pol sci professor – even UP itself – are to take the blame (or praise) for the way RP’s legal system operates.
Cocoy,I wonder which manifesto you were reading, RE “military Junta”? I watched and read almost all the news about Lim and company and they are advocating a civilian group to take over in the interim government and a snap election to follow in less than two years. As a matter of fact, the group wants Justice Puno to lead the interim government. Lim’s group DO NOT WANT A MILITARY JUNTA! But if you are reading the supposedly “seized” documents from the Magdalos, the group is advocating a “military junta”! Of course we all know that these documents were planted and authored by no other than the “nagpapapoging” officers of the AFP!
Cocoy, so you would rather have Gloria! If she is not stopped now, this is the likely scenario she will resort to to stay in power forever and ever! JDV will be booted out by none other than the tongressmen she went with to Europe. Then the cha cha train will be restarted! If opposed, it will go to the Supreme Court but the corrupted and prostrituted Supreme court will now vote 8 to 7 in favor of the cha-cha. With Nachura’s appointment and that of de Castro plus maybe a replacemt of another retiring justice in 2008, the vote may even be 10 to 5 in favor of the midget. Now, all the trapo tongressmen and senatongs that we so much abhor will be the members of the parliamentary system. Will they ever vote the tiyanak out? NO WAY! So, if the military will not act fast to get her out, the tiyanak will reign the rest of her life! It will be worse that the Marcos regime! Marcos will be a saint compared to this “surot”!
“I am likely to give credence to the influence of those UP law professors who molded their legal minds, not a professor like Nemenzo during the undergraduate years. Otherwise, every UP law/pol sci professor – even UP itself – are to take the blame (or praise) for the way RP’s legal system operates.” – hawaiianguy.
You mean UNlikely to give credence. This is where the thread meets the road. Between the illustrious professor as the badmouthing legal framework as holding the state captive and the practicing justices running the legal framework, as coming from the same institution, it is clear the professor is off from reality without experience in running the justice system.
Now, who bad balls and good balls? or real balls?
So now the legal system’s failures shall be attributed to Dodong Nemenzo? And UP, for all the mess this dysfunctional government has caused this country?
Now this:
Why, was it Nemenzo who “expertly exploited the loophole” that:
– if your appointed Department Secretary gets bypassed in CA, appoint him when Congress is in recess and if the results are the same, re-appoint him in the next recess, and so on?
– if your favored general doen’t get the CA nod for his third star, give him his fourth?
– if you get caught red-handed, block all avenues to arriving at the truth by issuing PP1017, EO464, MC108 or undeclared martial law?
– if your opponents get tough and the Supreme Court provides the modes for your military generals’ getting compelled to reveal your dirt in public, you may promote, recall from retirement, or reward by appointment to any obscure gov’t position like “Presidential Consultant on Bathroom Tiles” just so they fall under the cloak of executive privilege?
– if you want to double the price of a contract, say a broadband backbone or sattelite broadcast mode of teacher replacement, you just say “It’s an Executive Agreement!” even without a requisite G-to-G loan?
– if you want to save your own skin from spending all of your twilight years hugging cold iron bars, you can establish precedent by pardoning your plunderous predecessor who hasn’t even spent a single day in prison?
– if you think the political noise is a major obstacle to your lust for power, you may lie to your bucked teeth on the tomb of your national hero?
– if foreign bodies like the United Nations or the US Congress or World Organization of Funeral Parlors condemn your government for unabated extrajudicial murders, you can just create your umpteenth task force which will confirm the previous ones’ invisible findings with its own invisible report?
– if everything else fails, you just say “I’m sorry” and that’s the end of it?
– if you think you can get away with crimes, scandals, and scams on a weekly basis, you have the the unwritten canon that provides you immunity from suit to bank on?
Damn, go ahead, blame Nemenzo!
hindi nag-gamit ang tawag dun. NAGNAKAW ang tawag dun. ganyan ang ugali ng pinoy. pagsakay sa eroplano, dedekwatin ang kumot, salbabida at iba pa. tse-tsek-in sa hotel, pag labas dala-dala ang tuwalya, kubyertos, sabon,lotion at kung anu-ano pang madedekwat.
sila trillanes, nang-gamit, kasi GINAMIT nila ang Penn para sa kanilang ‘press conference’.
kawawa naman si mother theresa….
Philippine Airlines Stewardess Announcements
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internasyonal ng San Francisco. Paalala po lamang sa ating mga
kababayan, ang mga unan, kumot, headset at iba pang kagamitan sa
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LCD-TV na nakadikit sa silya!
Tongue, you are just brilliant!
Tongue, scape-goating din ang tawag dun, hindi lang blaming the victim.
It’s always convenient to look for a powerless victim as the fall guy – pin him down because he is a security risk, a destabilizer, causes trouble and destruction, discourages foreign investment, blah blah. This is what happens to Nemenzo, Trillanes and company, even the media, in the fight between the state (ruled by an illegitimate leader who corrupts all democratic institutions)and members of civil society. It’s the fault of those who criticize and want this damned govt out. They’d better toe the line – or else… That’s how power (sans authority) speaks.
Parasabayan:
The Parliamentary in the making will not hold water.The assumption that this consensus may not be achieve by wishful thinking.The major political players, churches, societies will question the legitimacy and Gloria will be facing a tremendous uphill battle and the political stalemate will continue until the people elected another president by 2010.
I completely agree with you that the current political system is in dire need of radical reform.The president has degenerated to such an extent beyond repair.In the end the people will decide. Trillanes groups has an unclear motive to unseat the president, what are their radical reform? They just want a new Philippines. New Philippines of what? Arguably, whatever their purpose is a big question mark preceded by a coma.That is the most important difference, that the public has shown little if any inclination to go to the streets. Not even one of his colleague in the senate, only the hard core radicals since Marcos were present such as the likes of Nemensio and Guingona,but,they were silenced on his side. For many left leaning Filipino intellectuals who tend to idealize the popular protests of the past, this people power fatigue is a painful disappointment to Trillanes. The people’s passivity challenges the widespread perception that in the end of the day the masses will take their destiny into their own hands. Filipinos seem to have learned their lesson. Few would argue today that the two previous revolts led to an improvement of the quality of their lives. Many would even say, and empirical data justifies their claim, that their situation has worsened. The government is not the problem. The problem that lies beyond the problem is that everyone wants to govern. The days of “people power” uprisings to remove Philippine leaders are over, Those participants are not even there, they are all in overseas, those who are left during those days are all having a juicy position in the government.Only those who aren’t able to reserve a seat are disappointed. They are the ones who want revolution.
“The UP Professor Emeritus Nemenzo have molded the brilliant legal minds in the country’s governance”- dodong
I wonder who molded the mind of GMA…
I wonder who molded the mind of GMA…
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Puno. Parang Dubya – puppet ni Dick Cheney.
Parasabayan,
Nah, maybe it’s just that I’m inspired. Always have been. You’ve been doing better! Thanks for the compliment.
Hawaiianguy,
Funny, I’m now defending Nemenzo when I didn’t even respect him when he was our dean. At the time, I find his acts OA and too “communist” for comfort. Si Louie Beltran pa siguro, who was amusing and funny as Dean of Student Affairs.
I guess the blame game, which soon will probably replace sepak takraw as the national sport, will have its enthusiasts apply for accreditation for an annual tournament.
There’s only one rule : the losers win!
Parasabayan;
I am afraid that our country will turn into another Burma. If you are aware about the main political party of Burma, the National League for Democracy (NLD), won a landslide victory in the ensuing general elections in 1990. But, the Military Junta never transferred power and put the leader Aung San Suu Kyi, under house arrest. Junta prevented scores of foreign journalists and human rights activists from entering the country.
HI!Tongue.Did you cancel my code in breaking to your blog?
I almost call Razon to barrow his tank to pull the front door with a plastic cable so that I can enter and burglarized your new repaired diesel tank.Hehehehe!
Cocoy,
Just make sure na hindi ka umutot baka magkaroon ng accidental explosion dahil those tanks also runs on diesel fuel… rectangular rin ang general shape… makinig ka sa PNP, ha? Hindi ka sagot ni Tongue Twisted kapag nasabugan ka… nyak! nyak! nyak!….
Piping Agimat;
Hehehe! Copy,Kumpare! magdala ako ng preparation H para hindi ako umutot.
mga talunan eto konting pang-asar kay nemenzo, pwede na rin kay labayen:
quote from tony abaya’s column:
“But during the inquest on the Pen Revolt, Nemenzo denied involvement in rebellion, saying he was in the Pen merely to do academic research on military rebels. Did you hear the joke about the priest who was caught in a whorehouse during a police raid? He also said he was doing academic research. When asked how deep his research went, he replied, “About seven inches…” ”
hahahaha, para sa mga talunan hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Cocoy, I just commented on the tiyanak pushing for the Chacha again and I just heard the news that the political analysts are saying the same thing-that the tiyanak will revive it after the tongress will boot out JDV. It is so glaring! Those who went with her to Europe are her nucleus for the system. The same people will compose her parliament. PURO TRAPO like her!
Cocoy, Talaga? bakit yung iba, nakakapost ng comment? May bumabastos na rin yata sa blog ko. My new heading photo (me unshaved with lips sewed-up) was cut short and replaced by boxes with nonsense text. Fortunately, the text is now gone but the picture remains defaced. Gandang lalaki ko pa naman doon.
“So now the legal system’s failures shall be attributed to Dodong Nemenzo? And UP, for all the mess this dysfunctional government has caused this country?” – tongue
It is the Professor Emeritus who said that “state is too weak to protect the rights of its citizens and enforce its laws” and the “state remains captive of the present legal framework”. His statements rendered the legal system as failures. I was just bringing up the irony of his “failed legal framework” when 9 Supreme Court Justices are from UP College. I believe in the members of the Supreme Court who struggle hard to make the justice system work. Between a theoritical professor and practicing justices who are in the grind, I have more faith in the practicing justices.
“Funny, I’m now defending Nemenzo when I didn’t even respect him when he was our dean.” – tongue.
Unlike you, I respect the Professor Emeritus. I criticise specifics issues. Exploiting legal loopholes in not illegal. Every lawyer is doing that.
dinapinoy says: military juntas have justified their rule as a way of bringing political stability for the nation or rescuing it from the threat of “dangerous ideologies.
Ano ang akala mo sa ating bansa, di ba under dangerous situation tayo because we have a FAKE president? Juntas are not born becuase of ideologies, it is to change something that is not accepted by the people. Besides I think you do not have to comment anymore kasi dika na pinoy. Swerte lang talaga si unano kasi maraming bobo na nakapaligid sa kanya kaya tango lang sila ng tango sa lahat kasi nga bobo sila di nila alam ang tama.
“Besides I think you do not have to comment anymore kasi dika na pinoy. ” – blackdiamond
Blackdiamond, you are more restrictive than the government on free speech.
dOdOng;
I agree with you.There are limitations on our right of free speech, limits delineated by terms such as “fighting words,” “clear and present danger”.We felt gratified when some more “open-minded” responded by an “open dialogue,hoping that the discussion might help illuminate perspective and diffuse some of the hysteria.
Parasabayan;
We could not afford to have a Military Junta Government, not, because someone has said so! Nevertheless,it will be grossly mistaken to see the military as a credible alternative to the hopelessness and rottenness of Gloria’s regime.In the first instance,the foundation of the prevailing rottenness, economically and politically,was laid under the rule of the military,it is not civil rule or democracy that is responsible for the prevailing poverty in the midst of inexhaustible plenty. Rather,it is the corrupt politician elected by vote buying and cheating which places the insatiable profit greed and egos of a few above the needs and aspirations of the majority that is responsible for this deplorable condition of the people.
This situation will only be worsened by a power of the military.By nature,military rule is dictatorial and arbitrary in form and content.Yes,there is widespread corruption today under civil rule.However,the widespread nature of this deplorable phenomenon is due to the nature of civil rule which has to necessarily accommodate more structures and officials than what is needed under military government.Under military rule,individuals could steal more in a month than what a group of hundred politicians will have the opportunity to steal in a year tenure. Therefore, an acceptance of military rule as an alternative to civil rule is like moving from a frying pan into fire.
What the masses need is a complete economic and political democratization of the society, not a choice between the barbarism and corruption of the civilian and military.
What then are the perspectives of military rule? A military coup is not a likely to succeed due to the mass local opposition and international condemnation that it will receive. Civil society will support any action that only serves the interests of the masses not a certain military adventurism.