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Why Palawan and Mindanao are very much coveted

The Magdalo website (www.magdaloparasapagbabago.blogspot.com) has a Philippine Energy Contracting Rounds (PECR) TECHNICAL REPORT on the petroleum potential of Offshore Palawan and Sulu Sea.

It says, “This report shows that there are at least five (5) billion barrels fuel oil equivalent (bfoe) estimated at offshore Palawan and Sulu Sea. No wonder why the Chinese are eager to take control of the Spratly Island’s while the Americans wants to establish their bases at Mindanao. It makes us question the motive of GMA and her cohorts in giving up the Spratly’s claim by excluding the Spratly islands and Scarborough sholes in the proposed Philippine Archipelagic Baselines to the United Nations. Especially after the compromised ZTE-NBN deal with the Chinese government. How much was their profit in selling out our national territory, our resources, and our childrens future? Malaki ba ang bukol?”

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  1. So the plot thickens.

  2. kabute kabute

    Like the war in Iraq, oil is at the core of it. Now its the Philippines turn to be undermined and destabilized all for the sake of oil. The irony and what hurts is that out very own government is a party to this developing oil scam, in favor of foreign interests. And those in government in the company of gloria are the ones selling us out for their own personal gains. The day of reckoning is fast approaching.

  3. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    Ms Ellen, just out of curiousity, why the provided code need to be typed to submit and accepted. Is this by design or someone is messing around with your blog?

  4. etcetera etcetera

    hehhehehe…is this a slip of the tongue or a slip of a finger

    Do we have multiple personalities here?…..anyway, it does not matter to me.

  5. Diego K. Guerrero Diego K. Guerrero

    She had been doing monkey business with China. Philippine sovereignty is for sale. Let Gloria Arroyo drink oil extracted from Sulu-Palawan seas instead of brandy. Tingnan natin kung saan parte ng kanyang katawan bubukol. Let’s drink to that!

  6. etcetera etcetera

    I just want to add that in our beloved Islands of the Sea, The Philippines, is located almost at the geographical center of the Far East. By applying the process of elimination to those countries located in the Far East, it will be the Philippines that will be eliminated as a country that belongs in the Far East.

    Even if there are no natural gas and black oil in the Islands of the Sea, The Philippines, it still have an intrinsic value, militarily, due to its location.

  7. etcetera etcetera

    black oil = black gold

  8. etcetera etcetera

    Let me repost it:

    I just want to add that in our beloved Islands of the Sea, The Philippines, is located almost at the geographical center of the Far East. By applying the process of elimination to those countries located in the Far East, it will be the Philippines that will be eliminated LAST as a country that belongs in the Far East.

    Even if there are no natural gas and black gold in the Islands of the Sea, The Philippines, it still have an intrinsic value, militarily, due to its location.

  9. bitchevil bitchevil

    Among the countries that show keen interest in the Philippine’s territories are the US, China, Australia, Malaysia. One day, the Philippines may be like the old China where the country was eaten by the hungry dogs from the West.

  10. Point is bakit hindi humihirit ang mga pilipino (majority I mean) na parang walang ginagawang kahayupan iyong babaing mahilig mag-tantrum. Mawawala na ang bansa nila, binibigyan pa ng status iyong mga unggoy claiming the whole Mindanao as their ancestral domain just because some idiots who do not even know the history of their country say so.

    Magsama-sama na silang buggok! Pag nawala ang Mindanao, Palawan, and the Spratlys, pihadong gutom talaga ang aabutin ng mga pilipino. Kawawa naman. Buti na lang ang mga nearest relatives namin, wala na sa Pilipinas. Hindi daw nila magagawang kumain ng kaningbaboy at darak na uso na ngayong with the worst president (hindi naman kasi tunay) at the helm. Nakakaiyak!!!

  11. Off topic but who says that rebels are not subject to the local laws? Gago din ang katwiran noong mga MILF. Pero sino ang dapat sisihin ng mga kagaguhang iyan? E di iyong mga gunggong na lawyer daw who cannot even interpret the laws of their country right.

    Kaya nga di dapat iyong mga nego-negotiation daw sa mga rebels kuno. Sa amin iyan, kinakasuhan sila ayon sa batas tungkol sa pagtataguyod ng peace and order ng bansa, and it is up to the judge to either send the rebels to jail or give them suspended sentences to give them the chance to return to the society and abide by the laws they once defied. Hindi nila puedeng sabihin na karapatan nilang magrebelde at pumatay ng mga inosenteng biktima nila na collateral damages sa pagrerebelde nila. Masaya sila! Ulol din di ba?

    Kasalanan lahat iyan noong boba na nagdudunung-dunungan pero puro kapalpakan naman ang ginagawa. Tatay din ng ungas ang may kasalanan kaya nawala ang Sabah sa Pilipinas. Tanong mo tuloy ngayon kung magkano ang ginana ni Dadong sa pagbibigay niya ng Sabah sa Malaysia noon. Ngayon, unti-unti na naman na nababawasan ang mga lupain ng Pilipinas dahil sa kaululan ng anak ni Dadong. Abaw baka wala nang matira sa pag-aari ng Pilipinas? Pati nga iyong mga patrimonies ng Pilipinas sa Japan pinag-iinteresan din ng magnanakaw sa totoo lang. Muntik-muntikan nang walang matuluyan ang ambassador ng Pilipinas sa kasakiman ng mag-asawang Pidal.

    Kawawang Pilipinas at napuno na ng mga kurakot! Ipaglaban ang karapatang huwag mawala ang Pilipinas sa kamay ng mga pilipino! Sipain na si Gloria Dorobo kahit na mawalan na ng trabaho bilang director niya iyong kapatid ni Ninoy na kapareho niyang kening-buri mo! Parehong D.A.!

  12. Valdemar Valdemar

    Mindanao and Palawan and the Spratlys are still loose territories and with our weak or lack of political will or chaotic administration, those could still be negotiated for a sellout out or to give up to any claimant or interested parties.

  13. florry florry

    Gloria doesn’t care about the Philippines. The bottom line is all about money. Don’t even think how much is involved. It’s mind-boggling. She’s only in this country to make money, so whatever, even if she sells the entire country to the Chinese or whoever, it doesn’t bother her and her family. For all we know, on her frequent trips abroad she may have been shopping for a country for her and her family to live in exile with all the money they stole from the people that can support a comfortable lifestyle up to the grandchildren of her grandchildren.

    And if ever she chooses to remain in the Philippines, knowing that she committed so many unforgivable sins against the country, she has all the money to buy her freedom and her family. She knows how the wheels of justice work in this country and she is preparing for it. That’s why her corruption is non-stop and nobody in the entire world can match her and beat her as the most corrupt person in this planet.

  14. Ellen Ellen

    Toney, is the typing of the code giving you problems? Maybe that’s a security measure that my administrator put. I don’t go through it kasi.

  15. Since I was spammed, when we underwent access problems, my blog administrator instituted new system of login and it applied also to me.

    Like there are others who just email to me their comments and I realized that I can put it in as their comments without my saying that “email by so and so”.

    But I didn’t realize that once i put in their comments under their name, ther login name stays unless i delete it and log out. I didn’t know that.

    There was one comment by Gabriela that I put in days ago upon her request because she had difficulty accessing, which I did. I forgot to erase her name and log out. So my reply to Toney that I’ll check his problem was under Gabriela’s name. Sorry about it. I just noticed it now. I deleted it.

  16. It Doesn’t Have To Be War

    It is understandable that there will be charged emotions at this time especially with people who lost family, friends, and property in Mindanao. Let us allow them to air out their anguish and alleviate their sorrow. I believe it would be unthinkable for anyone of us to tell anyone of them to calm down, don’t overreact, this is just an isolated case of banditry and the police are after them already. He’ll be lucky not to get smacked on the noggin.

    Of course talk about “all-out-war” and “total annihilation” will be there but then we also say “all-out-war on drugs” or “war against kalat, etc.” right? Conflict or even combative (some noncombatives also) always rear two heads, one superhuman, another savage. The former says “I am more than human, unstoppable, indomitable!” and the latter says “I am less than human, I will eat your brains!”
    Of course, the main objective is to sow fear and condition the combatants…just look at football fans…Its just how it is…

    Really, we are not seeing an all-out-war here in the genocidal sense of the way but a lot of fireworks thats working like a smokescreen to hide whats really going on, perhaps more wheeling and dealing? you and I will never know, but if the outcome involves a surgical strike to take Kato and Bravo in custody or death in an encounter, it’ll allow the MILF leadership to save face and the government to dismiss the whole thing as a police action, which is not so bad right?

    Now the heavy stuff. Do we have anyone in the government right now who can address the real root causes of this age old conflict without the baggage of patronage and closet skeletons? Personally I would prefer we disarm the MILF, MNLF, NPA, and whatever groups out there that are not supposed to be armed, but are we sure they don’t need to protect themselves from lawless elements from within our government itself? I say, lets hear them out, what made them bear arms in the first place? If we resolve these issues, we may succeed in a genuine disarmament – we took away their reason to fight and open the floodgates of integration. I mean, why would a Moro refuse to be called a Filipino?

    We may need to come up with leaders who can pull this through. Now the challenge of finding ones that people will trust, enemies and foes alike, is another story. One that you and I will have to hope for as we pray in our homes and wait out the war/police action/conflict/misunderstanding and see how this particular story will end.

  17. coeL coeL

    So there’s base oil somewhere in Palawan approximated to be 5b barrels. Is this true, yes. This was a well known fact even in the early 50’s and so along with the marshes of liguasan. They talk about this as if all what one has to do is the scope the oil out. Many exploration has been done around Palawan and so far no one found a well of commercial value. our socalled experts in this field do not tell us their expenditure in exploration for fear that their means of livehood would banish. In the deep side, exploration cost would be by the millions, around $35-50m. The Philippines has a lot of deep waters….around Palawan is one. Should they hit a good table, there many things to consider; quality(sulphur content), cost of the rig, specialized manpower, transporting based oil to various tank farms and removal of the platform after mineral has been exhausted…..this all boils to its commercial value. This does not include the refining process. Oil companies wouldn’t spend a dime to hire exploration companies
    further than exploratory if the commercial value of the well is marginal.

    Annual oil consumption of u.s. 5 years ago was about 7.4 billion barrels.

    As far as I am concern this oil claim use as political tool is completely a hogwash that will pollute and make the Philippine political scene dirtier and murky.
    If the u.s. was interested in iraq’s oil they should have forcibly stayed because this country has one of the best base opil quality and so with iran….further, to say that the u.s. is eyeing Mindanao because of its oil is naïve….if they were, they should extended their stay in subic at the cost marcos was demanding because this information were already available to them.

    as far i am concern….this all is politics. Such tactic is a good gambit to mislead the common tao for political gain, again…..they should spend their time solving the economic ills of the country and keep trillanes in jail forever.

  18. bitchevil bitchevil

    “as far i am concern….this all is politics. Such tactic is a good gambit to mislead the common tao for political gain, again…..they should spend their time solving the economic ills of the country and keep trillanes in jail forever.”

    coel, wake up! How can people solve the economic ills when the most serious illness is the illegal occupant of the Palace? Keep Trillanes in jail so the Evil Bitch can go on with her evil ways?

    As for the US in Iraq, aren’t they still there? There’s no dispute that the Iraq invasion was all about oil. The next invasion is Iran; but the US is faced with tougher resistance. It’s to connect the oil pipe line in the Middle East. And what did Marcos demand for the US bases to stay?
    From 100 years cut into only a few years, that irked the US.
    Marcos’ refusal to keep the bases longer was one reason why the US became indifferent to him. From being very obedient during the first several years, Marcos rebelled in the latter part.

  19. coeL coeL

    bitchevil: philippine government should be govern, check and balance by three branches of the government as required by the constitution. but what are the elected senators and congressman doing to check gloria? tell me…! majority of them are weaklings and corrupt and can easily be waylaid for some consideration. this is the core reason why gloria can muscle her way around. whoever sits in malacanang with
    with thesamme weaklings and corrupt members of the legislature will end like gloria with another name. what can trillanes do? tell me…i have no love for gloria but blaminng her all the time shows a downright and complete bias.

    there is no dispute that ater afghanistan and iraq the u. s. is much safer now…if it is for oil why go as far as iraq? Venezuela, a proven unfriendly country, just a couple of hours away can be easily captured and be occupied. without oil supply the americans and it its arm forces can last one week and estimatedly capture oil fields that they need before their supply is denuded. think about it.

    Marcos was demanding too much and the u.s was only giving that much…he was demanding $300M but was offered $100.it was not the usefullness of marcos that soured the americans…its the rebuilding of clark and the need for subic because there were other availlable ports cheaper to impprove and maintain. why invade iran…israel, a small nation can do that job as they have more at stake. goliath tumbled by a small stone from david’s sling shot!

  20. bitchevil bitchevil

    Coel, you’re partly correct in your assessment. It’s true, the incompetence and corruption are seen not only on politicians allied with the administration, but in the opposition as well. Once another leader is elected, it would be the same dog with different collar because of the people around this new leader. That’s why we need good politicians like Trillanes. He should be serving the people in the Senate, not in jail.

    Venezuela is also on America’s future plan. The US is only waiting for the right time to bring down Chavez. The two leaders (Bush and Chavez) and countries might be enemies, but they continue to trade with Venezuela supplying the US a bulk of the latter’s oil needs. The US would as usual (actually has been doing it for sometime), support Chavez’s foes or eliminate him by force. Another problem is Venezuela is backed by two other giants, China and Russia. The US knows whom to bully. Let’s not go far…North Korea could easily be invaded by the US if she wants (or has the guts). All the US does is to use South Korea and then hell breaks lose. Wasn’t North Korea provoking and daring the US to attack them? Why is US soft on Nokor? Needless to say,
    Nokor has a very strong protector in China.

  21. coeL coeL

    bitchevil; echoing panfilo lacson – those who can not protect their votes don’t deserve to be elected. she “won” and protected it by coercing members of the judicial and legislative bodies and everybody towed in line….blame her? she’s street smart and a brawler…for how long? trillanes is a breed and product of thesame culture that produced corrupt military officers…personally, i do not expect him to be better than those military officers in power now. this is my impression as i look out of the circle. his case is more of a poor judgement inspite of a claim that he is a very inteligent individual. such poor judgement can be carried more acutely in the seat of power.
    he should be stop!

    before the 38th parallel line was drawn to divided the north and south sides of korea their political leaders were u.s. educated and converted to protestants… a good example was rhee, a methodist….most koreans in united states are methodist. the u.s. administration during that era were friendly with korea not only as a strategic ally but also with some religiouus afinity. china at that time was trying to flex its muscles with human wave of soldiers which at that time was their only source of military power. truman was a methodist and his wife was a very religious lady. however, if truman followed the advise of gen macarthur…there will be no china now nor divided korea. of course nokor tried hard in provoking the americans a lot of times but they did not react because there were no lives involved and such childish behaviour and antics can be resolve by diplomacy.

    as i have indicated previously…it does not matter what ideology a nation practice be it marxism or brutal dictatorship…it will be business as usual for the americans…free trade and enterprise. general electric does business with iran. think about it.

  22. bitchevil bitchevil

    First of all, America has the history of going to war even if no lives were involved. Try to humiliate Uncle Sam and display an aggressive posture, Uncle Sam would react strongly. It’s the American pride…America’s arrogance and Superpower image.

    To the US, there’s no permanent friends and permanent enemies, only permanent interest. Look at Panama’s Gen. Noriega…he was spoiled by the US for 20 years and when the time came he was no longer useful, he was kidnapped by the US Marines right in his country of Panama. The US has long known Noriega was dealing drugs; but the US looked the other way. Then later, the US used this drug as excuse in convicting Noriega. That’s how America plays.

  23. bitchevil bitchevil

    And coel, after America’s humiliating defeat in Vietnam, she doesn’t want to experience it again. That’s why they need the victory in Iraq at any cost.

    As for Trillanes, I believe this man is principled and has conviction. I don’t blame you for thinking lowly of the military officers even if they are PMAers. But to generalize them is not correct. Many fresh PMA graduates are idealists. But after some years, most are eaten up by the corrupt system in the military. Promotion is usually based on connection and padrino system. Many are forced to join the system to survive. There are some who decide to quit from the service and go abroad to work or enter the private sector.

  24. Set Trillanes free!!!

  25. coeL,
    How can you protect your votes if the ones supposed to be guarding it it are the ones doing the switching ala “homecourt advantage?” Try to check out the Homeland Security literature of the US and you’ll see the nature of US interest in the Philippines.

    Trillanes et al should be given the chance to be heard. If you’re worried about wrong judgment just look at Gloria’s performance, to include latest You Tube.

  26. bitchevil bitchevil

    How could Trillanes make a wrong judgment when he’s not even given yet the opportunity to decide and judge? Human as he is, he may make wrong judgment. But it’s different if you deliberately make a judgment that serves your own interest. And that’s what this Evil Bitch is…she always makes wrong judgment deliberately. Sorry I just don’t know how to phrase my above statements. I’m just as fed up as Erap.

  27. coeL coeL

    bitch;
    nokor humiliated the u.s. many times and didnt wage war against them.
    the interest of namerica in the philippines has a long has a long history…since 1898. this a “open” secret and thesame goes with china and japan in the 20’s. i will not begrudge any country who have interest in the philippines much more the americans. i’d rather lose sommething to the americans than to the chinese and japanese.
    if trillanes was principled and a good leader he would not exposed his followers to such folly and he would not be in jail now…his being a part of that “mutiny” showed poor judgement…. or was this a calculated risk to be popular and ran for public office because he knows his socalled mistah colleaques would not hard on him? tell me.
    of course gloria can do anything…cheat/win “elections” and bribe others because the legislative members are weaklings and also corrupt like her. why blame her. then, one would say again…we have a corrupt judicial system, that’s why. if the chairs of various commitee in the senate and congress would all oppose to the corrupt ways of gloria…do you think she can move? tell me. take the confirmation of generals….if majority of senators and congressmen would opposed and not comfirm their promotion…do you think she just can appoint anybody? think. its not all gloria’s fault. its also the fault of others who allowed it.
    trillaness does not need to prove anything now. he has proven himself through his previous action simply because be is a product of thesame school that produced some of the most opportunistic and corrupt individuals. what he did was a short cut road to “fame” or imfamy. i have acquaitances, a classmate, and chilhood playmate who became generals. one came from a very pious and religious family. one stood firm and never made it but the rest became generals and are very wealthy now. a childhood friend that i grew up with has taught in pma for a couple of years…he knows their mind set…we discuss this issue now and then.
    i have nothing against trillaness…i dont know him. i only knew about him through what he has done as reported in the media…. and as far i am concern, personally, he deserves to be in jail. of course….my opinion.

    you are doing fine..you dont need to elaborate it.

  28. coeL,
    This administration is running like a well-oiled machine, if we don’t stop it, it’ll take us further down the road to perdition…Trillanes could very well be the monkey wrench that we need to throw into the gears just to stop it, or slow it down for a decent opposition to catch up.

    So you don’t know Trillanes, and you probabaly don’t know that so many good officers (the best in their classes) opted to resign from the service after making captain because they can’t stomach whats been happening to the government. These guys just don’t come from PMA, they come from West Point, Annapolis, etc. (as PMA sends the top entrance examinees to the US).

    You should try to know Trillanes, read his advocacies, listen to what he has to say. If you are open-minded enough to accept that the Philippines become US property rather than the Chinese or Japanese, it wouldn’t hurt to look into this matter deeply. Read “Closer Than Brothers” you can google that. And while you’re at it, try to dig up Gen. Miranda, Col. Querubin, et al.

    Don’t forget, try to do some research also on how many officers with medals of valor are in custody right now? MEDAL OF VALOR…

    …and try to ask your general friend if he’s always in Lungayban Hall, Regis Hall, or if he still can sing the PMA Hymn…

  29. Trillanes is probably the only senator who can make a stand without fear and say “THE PHILIPPINES IS NOT FOR SALE” not the the US, Chinese, and certainly not to Malaysia!
    The Philippines is not for sale!The Philippines is not for sale!The Philippines is not for sale!The Philippines is not for sale!The Philippines is not for sale!

  30. coeL coeL

    jugger: purely my opinion…pls. dont be upset.

    is medal of valor a gauge for one’s ability to lead and graduating from pma or west point makes him a better than the rest to lead. the quality of leadership is not acquired but born and inherent to a person either he may be poor or not as educated than most. hitler was a mere soldier who rose to the rank of a sergeant with charismattic personality and oratory skills. ramos was a west pointer…what did he do for the filipinos?

    the philippines as a country was never for sale. who told you they were? what are sold and still being sold are the ideals and principles of our corrupt leaders.

    are you then implying that this jail bird is the last hope of our homeland…then something must be wrong? the filipinos have pinned their hopes for the better with aquino, ramos, estrada and a few but powerful allies of arroyo catpulted her to the presidency. a quino was a disgrace. ramos ushered corruption with more buddy system. estrada was doing fine even with his extra-marital activities. his intentions were good but he did not posses what others would call that quality of leadership.

    persons who initiates rebellion or coup are characterized with restless mind…unstable. history will tell you that persons who catapulted to power through coup didnt last long due to corruption. yes, trillanes is idealistic…who was not anyway. we all start in life this way and after 10 years we lost sight of those ideals because we have to adopt with our changing world.
    pinning ones hope with this guy trillanes shows how bankrupt politically those peole who oppose arroyo. this is pathetic and laughable….and not acceptable to me, personally.
    i have worked with people who came from the naval academy for many many years. dont tell me about them because i would throw-up!

  31. bitchevil bitchevil

    Coel, when you criticized Trillanes, you might have Senator Gringo Honasan in mind. Wasn’t Gringo the same as Trillanes in the 80s? What’s the difference between the two then? Gringo was forgiven and pardoned for all his anti-government activities while Trillanes is in jail. Gringo decided to compromise and kissed GMA’s ass while Trillanes refused to bow. Again, if you had Gringo in mind for reaching the conclusion about Trillanes, then you’re comparing apple to orange.

  32. I said Trillanes can throw a monkey wrench into the administrations machinery, I didn’t say I want him for president of dictator – thats for the voters to decide. If you do your homework you’ll realize that Trillanes’ knows what he’s doing. Please do not limit yourself to what you read on the papers, or your impression based on such. Try to look up the reasons why these happened. As I said, try to get to know the person/s better first before you make an impression. Did Martin Luther King, Gandhi, etc have unstable minds…but then again, at times, we need people with unstable minds, people who would take risks while the rest of us cower under “stable” tables.
    …someone once said, “the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” – thomas jefferson…or “Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious” – oscar wilde

    We all want peace but we don’t have the stomach for war, just to critique…

  33. coeL,
    Thats why I urge you to read “Closer than Brothers by alfred W. McCoy.”
    You cannot lump military officers together, nor PMA classes together, class ’72/74 were born of martial law, class ’94 would be a lot different.
    You cannot use one type to profile the rest, you have to know the person, his ideals, his strengths, weaknesses, leadership style, dreams, aspirations, family background, social background, couple that with psychometrics and tactical interviews…then you can begin to understand the man…other than that, you’ll just be cruising along your biases…

  34. coeL coeL

    jugger: mine is not cruising along the lines of biases… i work with the likes of them. historically, there is no one in the democrattic world, a schooled and trained military person that lead his country to success. the americans tried a annapolis graduate… an avowed southern baptist with good family background and aspiration to lead the americans better than the previous president…his term was a disgrace and failure! they have the hostage fiasco and oil embargo. trillannes is far from being an exception.

    a military mind is not suited to lead the civilians. their mindset is different….with trillanes who showed poor judgement at the early stage of his life..what more proof one wants to show that he no is different from the chaf of an old block? if you bend a tree while they are young and tender it will stay that way when they mature….they mmay be good for a “show and tell” but in the long run their true nature prevails. its not the era nor the environment…its the way they are taught and train in their prime…. he will do the country greater service by stayinng in jail.

    mccoy’s perception is purely directed to what he wants his readers to focus on…some take his words and some dont even mind it and i am one of them…. because i can say
    i know how the military mind works…not by reading someones opinion but mine is through experience and close relationship with those who made “good” in the military world.

    i say again…trillanes would do good for the people if he is kept in jail….that is where he belongs!

  35. coeL coeL

    bitch: i did not say anything about that gringo and lacson because both were not the issue of this forum. i only talk about the issues tabled. needless to say both were the students of my childhood friend in pma.

  36. coeL,
    One of Gringo/Lacson’s influential teachers in the academy was Victor Corpuz.

  37. coeL,
    Your opinion of course. My take is, if the people want him to lead, let him lead.

  38. bitchevil bitchevil

    Coel, I did not directly state that you were talking about Gringo and Lacson. I only stated that you might have Gringo in mind in comparing Trillanes. Having said that, I think I value and appreciate your input on the subject.

  39. coeL,
    You’re gravely mistaken in your, military mind-set permanent head-case theory. There are several former military who are making it good even in the corporate setting, making their mark even in international business, excellent managers, vp’s, etc. and they’re loved by their subordinates too. Making a stand, no matter what the circumstances always has its consequences, but then you gain the respect of the people that matters most – the men under your command…

  40. coeL,
    Call me a stickler for method, but I always reserve judgment after I get into the mind of the subject, hence, the battery of tests,subsequent interviews, and background checks before I can even say I can predict future responses, even that has a margin of error.

  41. bitchevil bitchevil

    The truth is, the military establishment is one institution where you don’t know your real enemies and friends. That’s why there are units called “counter intelligence”. Soldier watching another soldier. Intelligence group is the dirtiest of them all. One can be eliminated if it endangers the operation and revelation of confidential matters.

  42. coeL coeL

    jugg: i will not contradict your method nor your way of judgement. each of us have their own criteria. i judge somebody by what he has done and not what he plans to do.
    as a people we always fall prey to that sweet talk that’s the reason why we can not get rid of our undisirable and corrupt elected officials. if most of the voters judge them by their past deeds….we would not be in this quandry and deep sh*t hole.

  43. coeL coeL

    bitch: what you see in the movies are exagerations. military personnel per se are not performing any covert operations….however, some military personnel with specialties are integrated with the civilian ran espionage agencies. some movies and writers are wont to do this to blur the truth to make their novels more exciting.

  44. bitchevil bitchevil

    I partly agree with you, coel. Without anything to base on, we could judge someone by his past deeds. But, you would agree with me that a person does change. He can learn from his mistakes and starts clean again. People like GMA is easier to judge. Her past deeds, present actions and future plans all reflect the evil mind in her.

  45. coeL coeL

    i firmly believe that a person can change…morally and spiritually and his old self can be transform as being “born again” as they call it. some will do it for a purpose and some will do it for honest to goodness sake because they realized that what they did was wrong…where does trillaness belong to this categories i will not try to guess.

  46. bitchevil bitchevil

    Trillanes’ only fault, if you consider it as “fault”, was to rebel against GMA government. Yet, there were many like him in the past who remain untouched. For instance, Gen. Abat was directly calling for the overthrow of GMA. Nothing happened to this old General, right? Was it because he’s FVR’s man?

    Yes, anyone can change morally and spiritually. Christians call them as “Born Again”. But this Gloria Arroyo cannot change. She’s likened to a Leopard that cannot change its skin.

  47. masha masha

    i’ve been told by an engineer that there’s tons of deuterium off palawan that the western countries are elbowing each other for. it could pay for our foreign debt and then some.

  48. bitchevil bitchevil

    That’s precisely why there’s trouble in Mindanao, masha. GMA has offered Mindanao to the highest bidder.

  49. coeL coeL

    yes, bitch, abat was ramos pal. also, dont forget to remember that you read it here: trillanes after gloria will go free…the military brotherhood, inspite of everyting, at the end they will come home together.

  50. bitchevil bitchevil

    Particularly for the PMAers. The Mistahs don’t shoot one another.

  51. Beg to disagree with Coel! Not quite true what he says:

    “historically, there is no one in the democrattic world, a schooled and trained military person that lead his country to success.”

    History is replete with leaders who had been trained and schooled in the military who had served as prime minister and president of their respective countris and done it successfully at one time or the other.

    Let’s not look back far… never mind about Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, etc., etc., Never mind about Napoleon Buonaparte, who in spite of sceptics around us, has left a long, lasting legacy that endures to this day. The success of his reign may be debatable but his legacy remains. Name me one recent national leader of military background today whose vision stands today, whose vision rules and guides the daily lives of hundreds of millions of people in our modern world today — NAPOLEONIC CODE — it is his visionary code that still the backbone of many of the laws that govern many nations in Europe!

    The Duke of Wellington was one — he was considered one of the best prime ministers Great Britain ever had; during the Duke of Wellington’s long tenure (alright, he should’ve stepped down after a few years), he brought Britain to great heights in terms of economic power.

    You have Winston Churchill, a graduate of Sandhurst and a military man from the onset; he served in various capacities in the British Government as First Lord of the Admiralty, Lord Chancellor and more importantly, as Prime Minister in wartime Britain without whose efforts against Hitler, the war may not have been won against the Axis powers. There’s your prime example of a leader schooled in the military who brought his country (and a huge portion of the free world today) to success…

    There’s also General Charles de Gaulle. Despite the May 68 student revolt, General de Gaulle was the father of modern France; his vision for a modern France may not have been appreciated by the generals who tried to mutiny against him during the Algerian revolt for independence but he took the only course there was to bring modernity to France; he let go of Algeria because he knew that if he didn’t France would be impoverished by a continuing war — France needed to build roads, hospitals, schools, universities, build infrastructures and introduce a social security system and health services that the French need in the 20th century.

    And of course, you have General Dwight Eisenhower…

    I’m sure there are many others in the free world.

  52. masha masha

    how sad, bitchevil, that in the mad scramble for the next alternative fuel which we have and could potentially improve the lives of even our poorest countrymen, the filipino people will again be sold out by corrupt government officials. the catholic church and the military have been integrated in the corruption.

  53. coeL coeL

    adebrux: your input is well noted. thanks for the effort. i will be more thorough next time.

    eisenhower was an exception…from the start he was more of a politician than a soldier…his military training and background helped him.

  54. coeL,
    Sana magdilang anghel ka.

    Its true what you said about political “sweet talk” getting us into trouble, thats how I got convinced to support Gloria in the first place. Problem is, I didn’t know Gloria, noe any member of her family first hand. With Trillanes, I can honestly say to you that I know where he comes from, the hardships he went through, the education he got, the training, his superiors, event the whole system that molds him and everyone like him.

    They’re just normal people like you and I, the difference being the profession, then again, its just that, a profession, work. Starting with small unit leadership to general admin, they are basically schooled in the same leading, organizing, motivating, monitoring, objective setting, etc. management schools most of us went through. Most people would prejudge even the combbat experienced ones as “war freaks” on the contrary, these people are better able to maintain stability under any type of pressure, with the exception of the “war shocked” ones of course. What I’m just pointing out is “lets give everyone a chance.”

    Prejudging someone based on background alone and limited knowledge is what made us depose a college dropout who had the mandate of the people and look where it got us now?

    Then again, you’re right also, its best for us to be wary of the sweet talk, from every politician, even Triallanes.

  55. be,

    Not all mistahs are loyal. Mr. Esperon sold out his “bunkmate” Gen. Miranda, Mr. Martir sold our his mistah Col. Querubin.

    Its a shame how dirty politics and blind ambition can destroy even the bonds of mistahs. Then again, thats just a minority, but painful, nevertheless…

  56. Coel, I forgot about General George Washington!

  57. I agree with Jug. There are many among retired Philippine military officers who are as educated, as well armed intellectually, perhaps a few are more talented, more gifted in the art or science of administrating than most civilian officials under Gloria today.

    Couple those attributes with their sense of discipline and ability to do hard, tedious work, I say quite a few of these retired Philippine military officers are and can be just as capable — and perhaps better equipped — to run a nation and lead (after all, as officers first and foremost of their training is TO BE LEADERS of men) it to success if given the chance and under the right circumstances.

    Do not forget that traditionally, the military officer, by virtue of his training, has been imbued with a sense of honour, something that is seriously lacking in most of our civilian administrators today. That many of these military officers have been corrupted by their civilian overlords is a blight on and is a reflection of our own excecrable civilian record.

  58. Totally qgree with Jug:

    “Most people would prejudge even the combbat experienced ones as “war freaks” on the contrary, these people are better able to maintain stability under any type of pressure, with the exception of the “war shocked” ones of course…”

    (Highlights mine.)

  59. coeL coeL

    jugg;i have always admired those who can control their temper and emotion inspite being subjected to pressure and uncontrolled events around them and yet think with level head…trillaness succumb to such weakness by the lack of it…at that point his worse enemy was himself. this is how i view his circumstance and nothing personal.

    however, on the second thought, parallel to this situation….if arroyo was like quezon who recognized the potentialities of trillaness, she would have given him a chance to defend himself through the court of law. marcos admitted he killed nalundasan but recognizinng him as a potential leader…quezon gave him the chance to take the bar and defend himself. now you see?

    of course you can not compare arroyo with quezon and that is where the problem lies.

  60. coeL coeL

    adebrux, re-washington, i heard you. thanks.

  61. coeL coeL

    jugg, re-gringo/lacson instructor, i have known this for quiet a time….it was very apparent they have thesame ideals and agenda but differed in their approach to attain it. the former was love by the military chain of command and the latter was not.

  62. etcetera etcetera

    “marcos admitted he killed nalundasan but recognizinng him as a potential leader…”

    From what I remember, Marcos never admitted that he killed Nalundasan. The only reason why Marcos killed Nalundasan was because his father, the father of Marcos, lost in a local election to Nalundasan. Not because he is potential leader or any national level caliber.

    Ininsulto ng husto ni Nalundasan yong tatay ni Marcos at pamilya nya. What kind of insult? Nalundasan had a funeral procession complete with kabaong and written on it is the name Marcos. Ferdinand Marcos could not take the insults anymore that’s why he shot Nalundasan with a rifle from a distance, while nalundasan was brushing his teeth.

  63. etcetera etcetera

    Why would quezon hinder Marcos in taking bar exam? At that time, he was not proven yet as guilty. The court date of Marcos was months after the scheduled bar exam.

  64. coeL coeL

    etcetera, what i know was he was allowed to review for the bar in prison and took and top it. he was in prison because he admitted killing nalundasan or else he would still be in u.p with his fraternity brads enjoying himself.

  65. coeL coeL

    yes, etcetera…you are right. i just read the profile of marcos.

  66. etcetera etcetera

    He was in local precinct’s prison because he was the primary and only suspect that the police had at that time based on police investigations but he was not convicted yet of a crime.
    The scheduled bar exam was weeks away from the time he was sent to pricinct prison. His scheduled court date was months away after Marcos’ scheduled bar exam. This case even went all the way to the Supreme Court.

    Marcos was not proven guilty yet at that time. That’s why he was able to take the bar exam. Quezon have nothing to do with item, whatsoever.

  67. etcetera etcetera

    Quezon, have nothing to do with it, whatsoever.

  68. etcetera etcetera

    ok

  69. bitchevil bitchevil

    It was the late Jose B. Laurel who was instrumental in the acquittal and release of Marcos. Since then, Marcos owed the Laurel family a deep gratitude. That was why even if the late
    Doy Laurel kept attacking Marcos and causing troubles, Marcos did not touch him.

  70. be,
    So the great strongman also had some lines he would not cross? Too bad we can’t say the same for the little MILF mascot with the mole on the face…I wonder what term of endearment they have for it?

  71. bitchevil bitchevil

    That’s correct, jug. For all of Marcos’ alleged mistakes and crimes, one good thing about him was his sense of gratitude. He didn’t forget those who helped him even before he became President.

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