Linisin ang listahan ng botante

Computerized na ang eleksyon sa 2010.

Handang-handa na raw ang Commission on Election na magiging computerized ang eleksyon sa buong bansa sa 2010 pagkatapos naipasa ng House of Representatives at ng Senado noong Huwebes ang P11.3 milyon na supplemental budget pambili ng mga kagamitan para dito.

Sabi ni Comelec Chair Jose Melo, sa computerized na eleksyon, malalaman raw and resulta sa loob ng dalawang araw. Galing!

Sa computerized na eleksyon, sa halip na susulatin ng botante ang pangalan ng mga kandidato, i-itimin lang ang espasyo na nakatala sa pangalan ng kandidato. Ipasok sa optical machine reader na siyang magbibilang ng boto.

Sa Senado, apat na senador ang hindi bumoto . Sina Benigno Aquino III, Jinggoy Estrada, Jamby Madrigal at Chiz Escudero.

Marami pa rin ang may agam-agam sa automated na eleksyon. May sinasabi tayong Garbage-In, Garbage Out o GIGO. Kung palpak ang ipasok mo sa machine, di palpak rin ang lalabas.

Para sa akin, mabuti na ang pag-computerize ng eleksyon. Kahit papa-ano mabawasan ang dayaan sa bilangan.

At doon naman talaga ang punta natin, ang computerization. Mabuti na simulan ngayon. Dapat nga noon pa sana yun kung hindi pinasukan ng kasakiman ng mga opisyal ng Comelec.

Siguradong maraming pagkakamali at kaguluhan ang mangyayari sa 2010. Ganoon talaga ang simula. Ngunit basta gustuhin natin ang malinis at maayos na eleksyon, mababawasan ang kaguluhan.

Kaya nga dapat, huwag pasukan ng kalokohan ang bilihan ng mga computer at ng mga iba pang kagamitan para hindi na maantala ang paglalagay at pagsasanay ng mga empleyado na gagamit noon.

Kailangan rin voters’ education.

Ang inaala-ala ng marami, na tama naman, ay ang listahan ng mga botante. Alam natin na noon pa madumi ang listahan ng mga botante. Maraming patay na nandoon pa ang mga pangalan. Ngunit lalong nagiging madumi yan noong 2004 sa ginawang operasyon ng mga galamay ni Gloria Arroyo.

Sa Cebu, kung saan lumamang si Arroyo kay Fernando Poe, Jr. ng sobra isang milyon, halos 85 porsiyento ng nasa listahan nakaboto. Imposible yun dahil luma na ang voters list. Marami ng namatay o lumipat ng tirahan. Marami rin nasa abroad, OFW. Halatang may bumutong iba. Lalo pa sa Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao.Grabe ang dumi ng voters list doon.

Kaya hindi lang dapat sa voting at counting machines ang aasikasuhin. Unang-una muna, listahan ng botante. Kung madumi ang listahan ng botante, madumi rin ang lalabas na boto.

Ang pandaraya sa eleksyon , katulad rin ng ibang proyekto ng pamahalaan, ay hindi iiral kung hindi papayagan ng liderato. ‘Yan ang malaking problema dahil mandaraya ang lider na nakaupo.

March 8, 2009 12:58 am  Tags:   Posted in: elections2010, Web Links

39 Responses

  1. grizzy - March 8, 2009 2:27 am

    Tuwang-tuwa si Gloria Dorobo sa computerized voting na iyan. Sa totoo lang, with her internet brigade, mas madali silang makakadaya!

    Meanwhile, hindi lang dapat linisin ang listahan ng mga botante, mas mabuti pang baguhin nila ang registration system ng mga pilipino para hindi na iyong ke-dami-daming registration, napepeke pa rin! At saka bago nila gamitin iyon mga makinang gagamitin nila, please turuan nilang mabuti iyong mga magpapaandar niyon. Otherwise, kapareho rin iyan ng nangyaring kaguluhan sa absentee voting na iyong mga ID hindi naman tama dahil mali-mali ang paglilista. Naging useless tuloy ang pagpapalista at mga ID. Nasayang lang di lang oras, pagod at malaking pera sa pagpapalista. Puro aksaya lang ang nangyari!

  2. Isagani - March 8, 2009 5:43 am

    Noong nakaraang presidential election, sangkatutak na pandaraya ni pandakekok kaya siya nakaupo. Ngayon na ma-computeriaze na election, maaring mas mabilis ang dayaan. Ganoon pa man, basta’t hindi lang kasali si pandakekok aabante ang mamamayan.

    Sangayon ako sa mga payo ni Ellen. We have to be vigilant.

  3. grizzy - March 8, 2009 7:21 am

    You bet, automated or not, the election in the Philippines will always be dirty especially with the same bunch of appointees of Gloria Dorobo placed at the COMELEC to do exactly as she and her husband dictate to them.

    It’s time Filipinos show more courage and bravery in guarding their votes. Enough of Gloria Dorobo’s bulls…t!

    At least, the Filipinos voting overseas are safer to guard their votes unlike in the Philippines where vigilant voters can end up 6 feet underground.

    Over in Japan, for instance, we can pinpoint those SSBs the criminals in Malacanang will assign to conduct their Operation Mass-Daya for some exorbitant “suhol” and meaty promotions. The most likely candidate in fact are the Ateneans now overnumbering the formerly dominant UP graduates in the foreign service.

  4. hKofw - March 8, 2009 7:36 am

    Maganda ang mga panukala ni Ms. Ellen. Liban dito, dapat din ipacheck itong mga gagamiting computers kung may ‘flaws’ sa isang independent foreign based IT System Security Specialist. Kung maari gawin din silang independent observers. Pag hindi pumayag ang Comelec at Malakanyang sa ideyang ito tiyak na may malinaw na dayaang mangyayari. Tuso at matalinong matsing si Bansot. Gagawin niya ang lahat para masunod ang kanyang maitim na hangarin. Dapat din na may stand-by power generators lalo na sa mga liblib na lugar dahil maaring magkaroon ng ‘black-out kuno’ pero yun pala ay may mga ‘cloned computers’ o ‘dummy computers’ na may ready-made results na magpi-feed ng data sa Main Office ng Comelec lalo na kapag lamang na ang paboritong kandidato ng bayan. Kailangan i-check ang mga CABLE CONNECTIONS. Alam ito ng mga IT Experts. Kapag nanalo ang pambato ni Ganid, tiyak may hokus-pokus na nangyari. Dusa na naman ang bayan.

  5. rose - March 8, 2009 9:21 am

    Sa tingin ko mas malaki at mas masahol ang dayaan..we are so many islands..and a number of these islands have no electricity..paano makaboto ang mga nasa barrios? paano ang bilangan? sa amin lang sa Antique paano maabot ang mga nasa kabundokan na puno ng NPAs? ihanda nalang natin ang and sarili sa Long Live putot who will go down in history of a gov’t run like hell..ito ang hiniling ni Quezon..Amen.. so be it!

  6. srcitizen2000 - March 8, 2009 12:39 pm

    Sa mga nababasa ko sa dyario mukhang ang iniisip ng comelec ay bumili ng hardware na may kasamang dedicated software para mapaandar ang mga hardware. Sa huli, mangangailangan din ito ng isang malawakang education campaign para turuan ang tao kung paano ang proceso ng computerized election. Sa bilis ng pagbabago ng teknolohiya, ang mga bibilhing hardware ay malamang na minsan lang magagamit. Sa susunod na eleksyon sa 2013, ang karamihan sa mga ito ay hindi na magagamit lalo na nga kung ang mga ito ay i-iimbak lang pagkaraan ng 2010 eleksyon. Sayang ang perang gagamitin.

    Nagtataka lang ako na mukhang walang tumitingin na maaaring gamitin ang lotto technology sa computerization ng eleksyon. Malaking kabawasan sa gastusin kung ang comelec ay makikipagtulungan na lamang sa pcso para upahan ang mga lotto machines nito. Maaari naman sigurong magdeclare ng lotto holiday sa araw ng eleksyon (o ilang araw bago mag eleksyon) para ang mga lotto machines ay mai-setup sa mga presinto. Sanay na ang mga tao na magtantos ng numero sa lotto. Sa halip na pangalan, ang mga kandidato ay makikilala at iboboto ng tao sa pamamagitan ng numerong ibibigay ng comelec sa sandaling sila ay magfile ng certificate of candidacy. Sa aking pagkakaalam ang pamamaraang ito na ang kandidato ay may naka assign na numero ay ginagawa matagal na sa thailand. Daragdagan na lang siguro ang lotto machines para sa mga ilang barangay na walang lotto outlet. Ang software namang ginagamit sa lotto a babaguhin lang ng konti ang program para maayon sa dami ng mga kandidato at sa dami ng posisyong pinaglalabanan.

    Ang balotang gagamitin ay maaaring katulad din ng lotto card para hindi na masyadong manibago ang tao. Maaari sigurong dalawang set ng ballot cards ang gamitin, isa para sa national positions at isa sa local positions. Magkaiba ang kulay ng dalawang cards para di magkapalit. Pagkatapos maitala ng botante ang kanyang pili, agad itong isusubo sa lotto machine gaya ng ordinaryong lotto. Magbibigay ito ng agarang report para ipabatid sa botante na tinanggap ng makina ang kanyang boto. ito ay agarang ma-tatransmit sa comelec central tabulation station. Kasabay nito ay ang transmittal din sa barangay tabulation station. Pagkatapos ng botohan, sabay bibilangin ang mga boto sa barangay at central tabulation stations. Sa central tabulation station, magkakaroon ng tabulation by barangay. Ito ay agarang maikukumpara sa resulta ng mga botong naitala sa barangay tabulation station. Sa ganitong paraan, mababawasan ang temptation na manipulahin ang resulta ng eleksyon sa Manila central tabulation station.

    Sana ay maiparating mo ito sa comelec at matalakay mo rin sa iyong column dahil malaking katipiran ang mangyayari di lamang sa 2010 eleksyon kundi sa mga susunod pang mga eleksyon dahil hindi kailangang bumili ng libulibong makina na minsan sa tatlong taon lamang magagamit.

  7. syria - March 8, 2009 1:06 pm

    Tama ka Ellen. Mas maigi ang computerized kaysa sa manual na kung saan ay laganap ang pandaraya. Eksperto na ang mga tao ng administrasyon sa mano-manong pandaraya. There are things we need to be watchful though and these are as follows:

    1- Counting Machine Hardware – cannot be tampered but can be sabotaged or pilfered in areas disadvantageous to the candidate/s in power. It can also be hacked if the machines have weak security.

    2- Counting Machine Software – can be modified to add or deduct votes. All softwares should be checked by all parties before and immediately after election.
    It is easier to modify the software for the National Level candidates since the candidates are much lesser compared to the Local level.

    3- Nat’l. Printing Office – they might be printing more ballots than needed and will be shading it either manually or if the are shameless, might even do the printing on the shading space. Be vigilant on ret. Admiral Tirso Danga, the director of NPO recently appointed by GMA.

    4- Commissioner Melo’s plan to reassign all Comelec employees days before the election is a good one. Hopefully, he will implement this.

    5- Voter’s List – the list of the dead voters, those that have transferred residence and absentee voters are all in the database of Comelec. Hopefully, these database will not be used to fabricate ballots.

  8. Mon - March 8, 2009 1:17 pm

    “pacheck itong mga gagamiting computers kung may ‘flaws’ sa isang independent foreign based IT System Security Specialist.”

    Ako po ay naniniwala na hindi naman po siguro tuluyang naubos ang matitinong Pilipino – kasama na sa larangan ng IT, at tiyak ako na madaming local IT specialists ang handang tumulong upang maging maayos ang computerization.

    As a matter of fact, I read from the inside pages of one of more widely circulated broadsheets that the local IT industry has already voiced out its observations and suggestions, including the unnecessary use of very expensive proprietary software. Dito palang, kita na may nais na namang “commission” in pushing for using a proprietary system. The country has more than enough talent to do this for much less cost.

    Tama si Ellen. GIGO o garbage-in garbage-out ay isa sa unang itinuturo sa mga kumukuha na kurso sa computer science. Kaya nga, mas mainam kung ang mga local IT na may track-record hindi lang sa expertise, ngunit sa moral integrity, to attend to do the technical side of this computerization.

    AS for the far-flung areas, mayroon naman pong angkop na technology to address this. Satellite dish for broadband connection is common – kagaya ng isang beach resort sa Laiya, San Juan, Batangas, ito ang gamit nila for their guests to have access to the Internet. As for using the lotto outlets, hindi pa ganoon kadami ang mga ito para suportahan ang dami ng mga botante.

    In summary – we already have the inexpensive off-the-rack hardware, the dedicated and extremely talented local IT people to provide the relatively inexpensive software, and more than enough IT-literate citizenry to monitor the process. The only problem, a big one at that, I see is – do we, can we, trust an illegitimate government, adjudged as the most corrupt in Philippine history, to do the legitimate thing?

  9. syria - March 8, 2009 1:21 pm

    Nakakakaba yung sinabi ni Sen. Kiko Pangilinan na puwedeng isabutahe ng administrasyon ang eleksyon para palabasin nilang hindi tagumpay ang eleksyon. Kung nangyari ito, tuloy na naman ang extension ni GMA.

  10. Gabriela - March 8, 2009 1:38 pm

    A vigilant public is the most effective antidote to any plan to rig again the 2010 election.

    Computerized elections has its flaws but definetely it’s better than the manual system that we have now.

  11. tru blue - March 8, 2009 2:23 pm

    Convicted plunderer Erap told Pangasinan folks “I’ll Finish my Presidency”, a vow he told his late mother as reported by Northern Phillipine Times. Yoda (JDV) is on his side grinning from ears to ears, what a freaking sight!

    If this guy wins, it will again manifest the ever-stupidity of the hungry majority. The bonfire of the vanities keeps rolling.

  12. syria - March 8, 2009 2:45 pm

    Knowing how the Precint Count Optical Scan works can help us determine its point of vulnerability

    1- Voter signs in and is given a paper ballot.
    2- Voter marks or shades his ballot.
    3- Scanner scans and indicates how ballot was deciphered, checks also for under and over votes. Scanner also captures ballot images.
    4- Scanner reports local tallies, and an event logged on a write-once-read-many (WORM) CDR/DVD that have been authenticated by the jurisdiction and signed by precinct election officials and/or observers.
    5- Central consolidation of votes using authenticated and signed WORM CDR/DVD.
    6- Recount and canvass w/ marked ballots and/or WORM CDR/DVD that can be authenticated.

    Comparison between Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) vs. Precinct Count Optical Scan can be read on this site http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.php?id=5561

  13. syria - March 8, 2009 3:33 pm

    Mon,

    you said – madaming local IT specialists ang handang tumulong upang maging maayos ang computerization……and more than enough IT-literate citizenry to monitor the process.
    ========

    Can you contact your IT friends and ask them if they can volunteer to help monitor our election in 2010. Your group can be Namfrel observers or volunteers for opposition candidates.

    You are right. There are lots of excellent IT professionals in PI and they can write excellent election programs and softwares. I have seen one election software package, the Botong Pinoy and their demo on e-Registration, e-Voting and e-Tabulation looks very professional. Their website is http://www.botongpinoy.com/index.htm.

    Ang mahirap sa mga ibang Pinoy, mas tiwala sila sa imported.

  14. Ellen - March 8, 2009 6:56 pm

    From Patrick O’ Connor:

    I think you hit the bulls’ eye about the computerization of election in the Philippines… We need to get started now kung hindi ngayon, kalian pa? And because of that my point is why few of our politicians are against it. Hindi ko sila maintindihan.

    But, hindi ka ba natatakot about your comment? Yung tungkol sa pandaraya during election like any government projects won’t happen without the leaders permission.

    At isa pang comment mo ay yung dahil mandaraya ang leader na nakaupo” I think you are absolutely right. I’m just wondering what gives you the strength to make those comments and many more similar ones.Just curious lang po.

  15. Ellen - March 8, 2009 7:00 pm

    Hi, Patrick,

    Fear is always there but the other choice is to cower in fear. I think that would be miserable. I don’t want to live my life that way.

    My philosophy in life is the title of this blog. Contribute to make life in this world a little better and in my profession, that is informing the people the truth.

  16. Ellen - March 8, 2009 7:10 pm

    From Vic Nonato:

    May i suggest also that validation of voters list must be done. The number of voters for certain district will not exceed the number of qualified registered voters.

    Each voter must have a voter’s number.

    Voter’s number must be in bar code as indicated in the voter’s ID.

    Voter must assign his own pin number.

    Voter’s finger print must be use as a parameter before login in to the system (automated machine).

    In other words,before a voter can vote, he needs three parameters to login:

    1. His bar code (as indicated in his ID must be scanned)
    2. He must input his secret PIN number
    3. His right thumb finger print must be scan

    If any of these parameters were not met, then the voter will not be able to login and vote.

    The vote must be recorded in a central database instantly the moment the voter press the “Enter” key.

    Good luck to all of us!

  17. Mon - March 8, 2009 8:47 pm

    Sorry about that. A mosquito bit my wrist and I accidentally pressed the “Enter” key :-)

    From Vic Nonato:

    1. Each voter must have a voter’s number.
    2. Voter’s number must be in bar code as indicated in the voter’s ID.
    3. Voter must assign his own pin number.
    * * * * * * *

    It is relatively easy to circumvent the above precaution for a determined and “amoral” tech guy; and nothing can stop the illegal occupant in Malacaňang from stuffing hundreds of thousands of “virtual legitimate” voters whose votes have already been pre-programmed into the system.

    For example: A voter may even believe he is punching his “secret pin number,” when in fact the system was already designed to accept any combination? This can be done.

    Without the must-have transparency – that is, for the local IT industry to scrutinize the systems that COMELEC will consider, then the cheating can simply be done faster.

    Syria – I have no doubt the local IT folks who would be more than willing to act as one of the “watch dogs” but they can only be effective if they are well-versed with what system the COMELEC will splurge those billions of pesos into. So time is the essence too. The sooner the short-listed suppliers of the technology for the 2010 election can present their products to the public to scrutinize, the better.

    COMELEC can [must] also upload its “new” and “cleansed” voters’ list on the web, categorized by region and municipality. It is not stretching too much to have this on-line list to reflect within an hour or so, who among the voters have cast their votes.

    Ang daming pwedeng gawin to make this electoral process transparent, pero –

    Balik ulit sa original na concern: can we trust GMA and her minions to implement the computerization in a transparent manner? What will stop her in purging the old voters’ list to cover the old Garci-track, just so she can have more-difficult to trace computerized list?

    No doubt, computerization will make things faster, including the cheating.

  18. xman - March 8, 2009 9:50 pm

    This is akin to Pimental’s push for federal government during the time of pidal con artist syndicate. Yes to automation but not under the pokpok presidency of gloria. Doing automated poll at this time is tantamount to giving gloria and her criminal tuta’s full and absolute immunity after 2010 election. All pro gloria candidates will win.

    Remember during the last Presidential election, people were already expecting massive cheating by this pokpok president. Were the people vigilant during that time? The answer is Yes! What came out of it? NOTHING! That con artist pokpok president is still there in her stolen throne. So, the answer is not people being vigilant.

    In 2004, how it was possible for pokpok president to cheat massively inspite of a vigilant madlang people watching the ballot and still got away with it? It is because of prostituted PIDAL MILITARY. The pro pidal military must be neutralize to prevent the repeat of the 2004 massive cheating. That’s why I want BGen Lim to run as President instead of Erap because this newly unified anti bansot military will give them more incentive to neutralize this evil pro bansot military.

  19. xman - March 8, 2009 10:21 pm

    It takes a lot of time to prepare for automated poll. Comelec have to prepare for the hardware, software, detailed rules on poll automation, voters education in poll automation, scrutinizing the softwares to be used, scrutinizing the rules on poll automation, biddings on hardwares and softwares, transparency issues, etc….

    The election is next year. It is too late to do all of the above to be prepare for 2010 election. I think the pidal criminal syndicate did this last minute preparation intentionally so that they will be able to present the detailed rules for poll automation, software issues, transparency issues, and other important issues at the very last minute to avoid scrutiny.

    Mr. Noted Kiko Pangilinan might be right too. This pokpok president might declare election failure due break down in computerized election which will extend her pokpok presidency for another two years which will give her enough time to change to federal government.

  20. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 8, 2009 11:35 pm

    C’mon guys, we’ve had enough of manual elections already. From counting, ballot snatching, ballot/COV switching, municipal tabulation, then provincial and national, the old cheats have their systems in place. Unless that system is overhauled or totally replaced, we still have to contend with the low-tech Garcis and Bedols.

    Witch electronic counting, these rascals are incapacitated.

  21. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 8, 2009 11:49 pm

    Tallies per machine can be collected digitally at the end of the count. Assuming 5 machines each for the 42,000 barangays, we only have 210,000 pieces of data which will then be transmitted and verified (I guess via checksum), summed up, and the final tally can be made available in one or two hours, after all data have been transmitted.

    What could provide a window for cheating is when a few precincts deliberately withhold transmission of data to delay the final tally. Data that are not in after a certain period shall be temporarily removed from the canvass and if it will not affect the outcome in the national positions, the winners can be declared even without the complete canvass.

    The watchdogs will then have to focus on these few precincts whose identities can be known digitally and guard them closely. This is by far a great improvement over the present where watchdogs have to guard ALL the precincts from counting to canvassing.

  22. syria - March 9, 2009 2:31 am

    For the benefit of the opposition, regardless of their party, they can at least unite their election watchdogs to safeguard their votes. Preferably, these watchers will be trained by their their election process and computer experts. Better still if these watchers have computer background.

    Aside from the ballot boxes, the PCOS system at the precinct level comprises of 3 parts, the laptop, the scanner and the data storage media (WORM type CDR/DVD).

    The laptop being the most vulnerable to program or software modification and tampering should be secured by all parties.

    The preferred scanner has sensitivity the size of a pixel to minimize reading errors.

    The watchers should be able to identify if the storage media is the Write-Once-Read- Many type since CDR’s and DVD’s looks identical.

    The watchers should be watchful on pre-shaded ballots.

  23. atty36252 - March 9, 2009 2:33 am

    They can take a page from Hugo Chavez’ Venezuela. They have automated polls, and the voter gets a printout of his/her vote. That printout is dropped into a box and kept by another team, so that there is a paper trail.

    The printout could be made bar coded and machine readable, so that it will just be fed to a machine reader and a parallel count can be maintained. The printouts can be fed to a machine every hour so that there is a running count throughout the day, and the winners can be known before midnight of the same day.

    You can accuse Hugo Chavez of many things, but 700 international monitors, including The Hon. Emily Jane Goodman of the NY Supreme Court Appellate Division, say he won fair and square.

    http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2121

  24. grizzy - March 9, 2009 3:17 am

    Mon: No doubt, computerization will make things faster, including the cheating.

    *****
    Sinabi mo pa. Most sensible comment so far that I agree 100 percent!

  25. Valdemar - March 9, 2009 4:54 am

    Before anything else, clean first the Comelec. Shoot them all. An honest Comelec is a dead one.

  26. Valdemar - March 9, 2009 4:57 am

    Why? The Comelec couldnt even do a simple task, to issue me a voters card. What more simpler task they coud do? Confuse everyone. Including dead voters.

  27. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 9, 2009 6:00 am

    Yes, Valdemar. Pretty soon you will see thumbmarks of turtles and butterflies on these ID cards. These animals are regular voters.

  28. tru blue - March 9, 2009 7:30 am

    As we find ways to make the upcoming elections a clean one, at least – it’s no secret the sitting Queen Gluerilla and her minions are also finding ways to enlist talented people out there to hack whatever computerized gadgets bought by Comelec. Computers are man-made, man can manipulate it.

    There is a game in the world of Horse Racing called Pick 6, just like a lotto wherein bettors pick six numbers. In Horse Racing however, you pick the winners of six races to win the big kahuna or the jackpot. To make the story short, three college mates in New York were able to hack in to the system by picking the first four races already finished and picked all horses in each of the last two remaining races assuring them of a SURE WIN worth almost 5 million. Millions of gamblers worldwide were stunned of how they did it but for stupidity of how their ticket was constructed, they all got caught and served time in jail.

    With regards to being vigilant, how can we be vigilant in far flung places or the most remote of places where most likely intimidations will occur.

  29. grizzy - March 9, 2009 9:38 am

    TT: Yes, Valdemar. Pretty soon you will see thumbmarks of turtles and butterflies on these ID cards. These animals are regular voters.
    *****

    Sinabi mo pa. It reminds me of the useless voters’ ID during Election 2004 when they introduced what they even bragged about then as computerized registration of voters requiring personal appearance pa daw, and reason why we had to push for the embassy to take the computers even to “far-flung places” like Okinawa and Hokkaido and arrange with Filipinos there to coordinate with staff of the Philippine Embassy.

    I understand the CDs were sent to the Philippines complete with the data, etc., but for some reason the data were either garbled and/or erased in many cases that the IDs could not be printed right rendering everybody’s effort as useless, and a lot of money spent for such registration getting wasted.

    Bottom line is that this government under a criminal cannot be trusted. As long as they have appointees of the criminals in Malacanang manning the COMELEC, don’t imagine that the election in the Philippines will ever be clean, with or without those expensive computers being procured with big padded bills!!!

  30. perl - March 9, 2009 1:17 pm

    computerization or automation poll is our direction.

    i agree with you all, malamang magkadayaan… kahit sang system nman eh, lalo’t ang nakaupo e certified magnanakaw at mandaraya…

    kailngan hanapin ang butas, takpan at bantayan…

    may independent group dapat na tututok dito at magbantay sa bawat galaw ng comelec…

    baka daanin nila sa bilis! baka magulat na lang tayo namili na sila ng supplier, gumamit ng softwares or hardwares or mag-implement ng systems na hindi nabubusisi ng publiko!

  31. grizzy - March 9, 2009 1:46 pm

    Per: kailngan hanapin ang butas, takpan at bantayan…

    may independent group dapat na tututok dito at magbantay sa bawat galaw ng comelec…
    *****

    Sound suggestion, indeed, but we all know that this cannot be true in the Philippines with those soldiers and/or terrorists pointing their guns on the voters to vote for their benefactors who want to be in power!!!

    If they simplify the voting system, with the people not getting confused voting for so many crooks, then even manual voting can be effective as a matter of fact. They should also have a better registration system that should make the records of voters permanent, not changed according to who sit at COMELEC, especially those appointees who want to keep their benefactors permanent in their positions and continue to abuse the electorates.

    Isa lang naman ang dapat itanong. Ano ba talaga? Gusto ba ninyong tumino ang bayan o hindi?

  32. perl - March 9, 2009 2:51 pm

    pare-parehas nman tayo dito gusto tumino ang bayan eh. but we need to play whatever cards we got. kung baga sa pusoy or any card games, you pay if you quit… kahit magkakampi pa or lamang ang other players and dealer, you still play your cards because you still have a chance to win…

    Erap won with a large margin against administration JDV in manual election. Jinggoy voted against automation poll siguro dahil iniisip ni Jinggoy na maha-handle pa din nila ang next manual election. But its totally different situation now, nakita naman natin kung pano nadaya si FPJ… may nagawa ba opposition? ngayon sa tingin ko mas magiging madugo kung manual election pa din… sa dami ba nmang nyan tutang heneral… mas mananaig ang may armas… patay kung patay… sa dami ba nman ng kaso ni Gloria… she will do everything to stay in power…

    Manual election is really uncontrollable environment… para tayong kabayo dito na may takip sa mata… hindi natin alam kung san papasok ang kalaban…

    Ngayon with this automation, ( provided that okay na ung voters lists ) mababawasan ang babantayan… SIGURO.. again SIGURO… klngan lang bantayan ung counting machines… and all media coming in and out from machines like flash drive, CDs, DVD, etc… files should be all authenticated. Pwde ba pulis o sundalo mag-stay sa tabi ng counting machines?di ba hindi pwde…

    Opposition should also do something para mabantayan ang butas ng dayaan… just what they did when Erap won… pag hindi sila nagbantay… kasalanan nila… nagpadaya sila eh…

    And I think, madami pa din sa kababayan at kabataan natin ang matapang na magbabantay…

  33. grizzy - March 9, 2009 2:55 pm

    One thing I notice is that the main pushers of this automated voting are people selling the machines to COMELEC via the OFWs. Isa pang vested enterprise the way I look at it that’s why I cannot help being skeptical. Susmaryosep!

  34. chi - March 9, 2009 9:07 pm

    I am for the computerization of Pinas elections. Mabilis ang bilangan at malalaman kaagad kung nasaan ang dayaan. While the paper trails of election dayaan can be erased and substituted with names and numbers and disposed of immediately, I understand that the computer memory can’t be erased and can be used as forensic evidence of cheating. Unless na itapon nila sa dagat, sunugin, o ilibing ang mga computers, ay mati-trace ang dayaan.

  35. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 10, 2009 8:43 am

    Tungkol sa cheating sa computerized elections, if the government can do it, so can we. They have no monopoly of hackers, especially the genuine ones, in the true sense of the word.

    Hackers were born out of genuine desire to make systems impenetrable. The first batch and the “legit” Hackers were a group of experts who volunteered their skills and knowledge to determine flaws and holes in programs. The best ones were hired by US government. Until the malevolent ones came to be.

    Using this analogy, it would be to the advantage of the evil cabal if the programs are flawless and tight. There are probably several times more benevolent hackers who are against the perpetuation of this evil regime it would be virtually impossible for the admin cheats to hire hackers who could defeat the collective efforts of the white knights should they choose to combine their efforts.

    Government itself gave up on the system Abalos bought because it was a Windows-based system. Windows is a favorite past-time for hackers the cheats would be helpless against existing tools and wares widely available that their enemies could employ.

    At the very least, in computerized counting, the crooks do not have the monopoly of technology, in fact they will be the underdogs.

    As I have proposed in the past blogs, no proprietary software should be allowed and all the suppliers should each hire their own hacking team to discredit their opponent-bidders that only the most secure one should be awarded the contract of supply.

    And puwede ba, huwag nang bigyan ng papel yang grupo ni Gus Lagman dahil lagi naman silang merong vested interest dahil meron silang preferred suppliers!

  36. Valdemar - March 10, 2009 8:58 pm

    Gamitin na lang kaya ang overhead projectors. 300 per precinct at most lang naman ang i-canvass. At least everyone can see what was on the ballot. The thrill and excitement remains.

  37. chi - March 10, 2009 9:44 pm

    Bah, mas OK and exciting ang suggest mo, Val.

    Mas mura pa na di hamak. Sigawan siguradong umaatikabo pag nagkataon, masahol pa sa mga senglots kung piesta.

  38. syria - March 11, 2009 1:36 pm

    To prevent hackers, the computerized election system’s transfer protocol should use a security system similar to if not the same with the security employed in Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure (HTTPS). \
    HTTPS is a combination of the Hypertext Transfer Protocol and a network security protocol.
    HTTP operates at the highest layer of the Application layer; but the security protocol operates at lower sublayer, encrypting an HTTP message prior to transmission and decrypting a message upon arrival.
    Most banks uses this internet security and has been excellent so far. Most computerized voting and counting system uses the File Transfer Protocol. Hopefully, our Comelec will require its bidders to have an internet security as robust as the HTTPS.

    One way to check if your on line bnking is secured is to verify if the URL begins with https://. This comes out only when confidential information are to be inputted or displayed.

  39. syria - March 11, 2009 1:52 pm

    Valdemar,

    Your idea of using an Overhead Projector to display ballot images is excellent. However, it is pricey and PI can hardly afford it. The normal price of OHP’s (screen not included)are normally more than the combined price of a regular laptop and a scanner found in one PCOS setup.

    These OHP’s are those that connects to a PC and laptops.

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