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Pati simbahan nangangamba sa automated election

Mabuti naman at nagsalita na rin ang Simbahang Katoliko ng kanilang pangamba tungkol dito sa automated election sa Mayo.

Sa kanilang annual general assembly noong Sabado, sinabi ni Bishop Nereo Odchimar, presidente ng Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines na marami tanong tungkol sa ‘reliability” (maasahan ba?) at integridad ng mga makina na gagamitin sa eleksyun ay hindi nasasagot ng Commission on Elections.

Katulad ng dati, ang sagot ng Comelec, okay lang daw lahat at hindi ra mangyaayri ang “failure of elections” na kinakabahan ng marami.


Sinabi kong mabuti yung nagsalita na ang simbahan kasi noong isang taon, ang Concerned Citizens Movement na kasama ang abogadong si Harry Roque at ang grupong CENPEG ang nagkukwestyon ng atuomated elections na gagawin ng Comelec sa 2010.

Dinala pa nga ng CCM sa Korte Suprema ang isyu ngunit natalo sila. Ginagamit pa yun ng Comelec na rason kung bakit naa-atraso daw sila sa kanilang schedule. Na parang panloloko yata kasi talaga namang atrasado sila dahil mukhang maraming problema na hindi naaayos dahil nga ito ang kauna-unahang nationwide election automation at hindi dumaan sa test.

Nakasaad sa batas na kailangan ang bago mag-nationwide test, magkakaroon ng test sa dalawang “highly urbanized” siyudad at dalawang probinsiya sa Luzon, Visayas at Mindanao. Hindi nagawa ito kahit kailan. Kaya sa Mayo, first time tayo magkaroon ng eleksyun na hindi na natesting kahit saan na sulok dito sa Pilipinas.

Kaya naman nakikita natin ngayon pa lang, ang dami nang palpak na pilit pinagtatakpan ng Comelec. Unang-una ang schedule ng delivery ng mga computer ay atrasado na. Ang unang rason ay binaha daw ang lugar sa Taiwan kung saan ginagawa ang mga computer kaya nilipat sa China.

Ngayon, kapag tinatanong tungkol sa schedule ng delivery, ang sinasabi ng Comelec ay kung ilan ngcomputer ang nasa kanila. Hindi deretso sinasagot na behind schedule sila.

Mahalaga ang schedule kasi i-testing pa ang mga makina, hindi lang kung umaandar kungdi pa rin ang sistema. Nagku-konek ba para maayos ang pagpadala ng resulta ng eleksyun ay maayos> Hindi yan masasagot ng Comelec dahil hindi pa nila nagagawa.

May balitang umatras ang Globe at Smart sa kanilang partnership sa Comelec sa eleksyun. Kaya may sinasabi ngayon ang Comelec na B Gan, parang mobile phones rin daw yun. Bago ito kaya hidi pa natin naintindihan kung papa-ano ito uubra.
Tama ang mga obispo. Maraming tanong ang hindi nasasagot.

At hindi maaring hindi sasagutin dahil nakasalalay sa eleksyun na ito ang demokrasya ng Pilipinas. Dapat itong elksyun ay malinis, maayos at kapani-paniwala. Hindi na maari ang nangyari noong 2004 na tunay na binoto ng taumbayan ay hindi naka-upo.

Ang nai-proklama ay ang hindi binoto ng taumbayan. Kaya, ayan, nakandaloko-loko na ang ating bayan.

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85 Comments

  1. Golberg Golberg

    Pag may nabuwisit na naman sa mga iya, sasabihin sa dapat igalang ang “Separation of Church and State.” Hindi sila dapat namumulitika. Pag hindi naman nagsalita may mabubwisit pa rin.
    Kung sabagay, nakakabwisit naman talaga sila.

  2. Golberg Golberg

    Ngayon, kapag tinatanong tungkol sa schedule ng delivery, ang sinasabi ng Comelec ay kung ilan ngcomputer ang nasa kanila. Hindi deretso sinasagot na behind schedule sila.

    Para syempre gumulo ulit. Kalauanan niyan, walang automated polls sa May 2010.

  3. xman xman

    Dapat talaga separado ang simbahan at estado.

    Hindi dapat nagsasalita ang simbahan tungkol sa politika, magsalita sila tungkol sa simbahan lamang.

    Ang dapat basehan ng simbahan ay biblia at ang basehan ng estado ay konstitusyon. Pag pinagsama yan ay magulo katulad ng ginawa ng simbahang Katoliko kay Cory at pandak. Heto tayo ngayon.

    Kung gusto natin na iisa ang simbahan at estado ay dapat manirahan tayo sa middle east katulad ng Saudi dahil ang simbahan at estado ay iisa.

  4. xman xman

    Ang Simbahang Katoliko ay wala ng ginawa kundi makialam sa Estado mula pa ng matayo sila. Gusto ng Simbahang Katoliko ay sila ang maging hari ngayon sa “New World Order.”

    Bakit ba ginawa ng Katoliko Romano ang Communism? para ano? Para kontrol nila ang mga tao at ang allegiance nila ay sa Katoliko Romano. Mahigit na 50% na mga tao ay kontrol ng communism. Sino ang may hawak at kontrol ng communism? Katoliko Romano sa Vatican.

    Sino ang may hawak sa mga taong na sa ilalim ng Islam, sa mga taong nasa ilalim ng Zionism, sa mga taong nasa ilalim ng Fascism, Nazism, World Council of Churches, at ibat iba pang mga ecunumical movements? Katoliko Romano sa Vatican.

    Gumagawa ng kung ano anong klaseng organisasyon ang Katoliko Romano para madaling ma kontrol ang mga tao dahil kung hindi kasapi ay mahirap kontrolin. Maraming tratrabahuhin sa individual.

    Marami kayong matototonan sa mga links ni SumpPit. Palagay ko di nyo pinag aaksayahan ng panahon dahil maraming oras ang lulustayin ninyo pero worth it dahil mapipilitan tayong gamitin ang utak natin, para hindi tayo mabulag ng Katoliko Romano.

  5. xman xman

    Mismong yong mga Jesuits sa Vatican na nasa inner circle ay aminado sila na si Lucifer ang sinisimba nila lalo na sa “Black Mass.”

    Ano ang sabi sa biblia? Revelation 18: 1,4-5
    1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted:
    “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
    She has become a home for demons
    and a haunt for every evil[a] spirit,
    a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.

    4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
    “Come out of her, my people,
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
    5for her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes.

  6. MPRivera MPRivera

    Ano ba ang ipinangangamba ng mga taga simbahan?

    Kung ang mananalo ay aso ni goyang, busog pa rin sila.

    Huwag na silang magmalinis dahil tumatanggap din sila ng donasyon galing sa nakaw!

  7. chi chi

    Ngayong alanganin na ang power ni Goyang at wala ng regular na brown bag na matatanggap ay nakikialam kuno ang simbahan.

    Kung noon ay itinuloy nila ang malaking rally against Gloria at hindi thanksgiving mass para sa bruha ang ginawa nila ay matagal ng tapos ang demonyang unana.

    Ang simbahan ay walang pinag-iba kay Loren sinta, “depends on the environment” ayon kay manuel buencamino.

  8. xman xman

    The battle is won before it begins—Sun Tzu’s Art of War.

    Kahit saang anggulo mo tingnan ay siguradong failure of election, panalo si gloria.

  9. rose rose

    naririnig ko ngayon sa TV Patrol,,ang sabi ni Villar..malinis ang kanyang conscience..you bet he is right his bad conscience!

  10. Golberg Golberg

    Marami kayong matototonan sa mga links ni SumpPit

    Puro links? Ano ba ang laman ng links? Sigurado bang lahat ng laman niyan ay totoo o kalahati lang ang totoo?

    mapipilitan tayong gamitin ang utak natin
    Dito kung saan ako nagtatrabaho, at sa mga lugar na napunahan ko na, marami akong nakitang taong may utak, pero common sense wala.

    Bakit ba ginawa ng Katoliko Romano ang Communism?
    Alam mo ba talaga kung sino at anong bansa ang guineapig ng mga heswitang hilaw?

  11. xman xman

    Napoleon Bonaparte made this statement:

    The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is: POWER. Power in its most despotic exercise. Absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms; and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses….

    The general of the Jesuits insists on being master, sovereign, over the sovereign. Wherever the Jesuits are admitted they will be masters, cost what it may. Their society is by nature dictatorial, and therefore it is the irreconcilable enemy of all constituted authority. Every act, every crime, however atrocious, is a meritorious work, if committed for the interest of the Society of Jesuits, or by the order of the general. — General Montholon, Memorial of the Captivity of Napoleon at St. Helena, pp. 62, 174.

  12. Golberg Golberg

    Separation of Church and State.

    Ginawa ito ng mga liberators noon pa. Dahil hindi sila pwedeng pumasok sa loob ng simbahan. Kahit yung paglibing sa kanila, hindi pinapayagan dahil alam ng simbahan na sila ay sang ayon sa Hari ng mga Hari. Yung mismong provision na iyan sa Constitution, binabastos nila.
    Diba sa Adventist church, hinihingan din kayo ng lisensya para lang magkasal? O nagpapakasal kayo sa huwes?
    Di nga ba bastusang pambansa ang turing sa mababang kapulungan sa halip na batasang pambansa?

    Dapat talaga separado ang simbahan at estado.
    Tama nga ang hinala ko. Wala na dito sa Pilipinas ang magtatatag ng Reign of Christ the King o Social Kingship of Christ the King. Dahil kahit yung mga basa ng basa ng bible kuno, ayaw nito.

  13. Golberg Golberg

    Anyway, sa mga alagad ng simbahan, bakit nga ba kayo nangangamba? Nag-aabang na naman siguro kayo ng envelopes?
    Pang tanggal ng kaba at pangamba iyan.

  14. xman xman

    The other meeting was held in Chieri, Italy in 1825. Here is what was decided there.

    In 1825, some eleven years after the revival of the Jesuit Order, a secret meeting of leading Jesuits was held at their College of Chieri near Turin, in Northern Italy. At that gathering, plans were discussed for the advancement of Papal power, world-wide, for the destabilizing of governments who stood in the way and for the crushing of all opposition to Jesuit schemes and ambitions… “What we aim at, is the Empire of the World…

    Hector Macpherson, The Jesuits in History, Ozark Book Publishers, 1997, appendix.

  15. xman xman

    “Bella Dodd was a leader of the Communist Party of America (CPUSA) in the 1930′ s and 1940’s. Her book, “School of Darkness” (1954) reveals that Communism was a hoax perpetrated by financiers “to control the common man” and to advance world tyranny.”

    “COMMUNISM is essentially a deceitful system of international elite control……these groups are CONTROLLED FROM THE TOP SO THEIR MEMBERSHIPS ARE UNAWARE OF
    BEING USED.”

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/wallstreets_utopian_hoax-communism.htm

  16. asiandelight asiandelight

    i don’t understand why COMELEC invested on machines when the need for a clean and honest election lies in the management of people, public poll officials, watchers and educating the people of their voting rights.
    In 2007, headline news about rampant vote buying
    should be the center and focus of governance with a solid solution. Poll automation will not work for a country when majority of the people are illiterate to understand VALUE. This administration and COMELEC are responsible for educating the people on what value means.

    Let me share you how I define value. For example: I am going to make a guestimate and calculate the value of a filipino in a day to day basis. This coming election- mayor+ congressman+ president can potentially buy a vote of Mang Juan . let’s say.. a total of 2000 pesos. The winning candidate will govern at least 3 years? 365 days x 3 years = 1095 days in one term. 2000 pesos divided by 1095 days, mang juan is only valued less than 2 pesos a day not even including inflation.

    You see. kahit suka, hindi makabili. kawawa talaga ang pinoy…

    The Philippines has no sense of human value. Pls read the 2007 article..

    and for the rest of ellenville, why are you guys talking about the separation of the church and the state? hello..

    great topic ellen..

  17. Goldberg:

    I provide links so you can verify for yourself the veracity of the facts presented. If there are any issues you want to contest with all the facts being discussed, say so.

    Dig up the Bible. It’s all there. Read and understand what the words and symbols mean.

    But if you want to close your mind on the lunacy of your religion, close your “mouth” on the subject for good.

    Again, don’t ride any transportation, it’s a product of technology also. Maglakad ka na lang. Masipag ka di ba?

  18. asiandelight asiandelight

    it was only a guestimate but what if mang juan only gets 1000 pesos or not at all? the result, whoever wins will never be credible because the basis of winning is all about buying the people’s vote, cheating and harassment.

    the machines are just a useless decoration.

  19. Golberg Golberg

    Dig up the Bible. It’s all there. Read and understand what the words and symbols mean.

    Pasensya na ha. Dahil pag nabasa ako ng bible, hindi ako nagbibigay ng pakahulugan sa kung ano ang mababasa. Baka kasi magaya ako ng iba na nagtayo ng sarili nilang relihiyon.

    Again, don’t ride any transportation, it’s a product of technology also. Maglakad ka na lang. Masipag ka di ba?
    Kung kailangan, gagawin. Walang problema sa technology, wag lang maging alila ng technology.

    Napanood ko yung ling na binigay mo. Sabi ko nga naihi sa katatawa. Parang ang mensahe nung link na binigay mo, gaya gaya si Jesus dahil may nauna sa kanya.
    May tanong din ako. Noon bang panahon ni Horus may kalendaryo na ba?

  20. Golberg Golberg

    Dig up the Bible. It’s all there.

    Pag nakita ko yung Spirit of the Truth (kung makita ko nga) sasabunutan ko iyan at kukurutin ng pinong pino. Its all there?
    Tinuruan yung mga apostol kung ano sasabihin pero hindi pinahintulutan na ilagay lahat sa isang libro lang ang lahat. Pambihira. Tapos its all there.
    Symbols. Ang mahilig maglagay ng ng mga symbols, Mason. Pati bible pinakialaman nila?

  21. Hindi si Jesus ang nanggaya dahil hindi siya nagiging tao.

    Ang Vatican ang nanggaya sa relihiyon ng Egypt. Egypt in turn copied the Sumerians.

    Ikaw naman, sinamba mo ang mga nanggagaya.

    So ano ka?

  22. Ang mahilig maglagay ng ng mga symbols, Mason.

    Mason pala ang nag-imbento sa “sign of the cross”.

  23. Golberg Golberg

    Hindi si Jesus ang nanggaya dahil hindi siya nagiging tao.

    E sino pala yung ipinanganak noon na ipinako sa krus dahil sa kasalanan ng tao? Nabuhay ulit, umakyat sa langit at muling babalik upng husgahan ang tao? E hindi pala siya nagiging tao.

    Ang Vatican ang nanggaya sa relihiyon ng Egypt.
    Ikaw naman, sinamba mo ang mga nanggagaya.

    Mahigpit na ipinagbabawal sa Catholic Church ang sumamba sa Vatican. At hindi rin kami sumamba kahit na kailan kay horus.

    Asstrology ang pinag-usapan, Dong.
    Mahigpit din ipinagbabawal ang pagkunsulta sa astrology.

    Mayroon na naman akong sasabunutan at kukurutin. Marami pala kasi ang sumasangayon sa isang turo na nagmula sa mga Mormon na nawala ang simbahan na itinatag ng Diyos at napalitan ng Iglesia Katolika Romana. My goodness graciousnesses!!! Gagamitin ko na rin yung salitang Hades. “And the gates of Hades will prevail against it.” Nagtagumpay nga kasi nawala e at napalitan ng kung anong simbahan. Pag nakita ko ito si Jesus, sasabunutan at kukurutin ko ito e. Di tinupad yung sinabi niya kay Pedro.

  24. Golberg Golberg

    Pati Astrology ibinintang na naman sa simbahan.

    Babalikan ko yung link na ibinigay mo. Naaalala ko yung mga hapon na minsan ng naging puno ng talakayan sa Probe. Dito pa kumukuha sa Pilipinas ng mga magsasaka upang ipagtanim sila. Nalungkot yung hapon kasi sabi niya “the Japanese people of today wants an easy way of life.”
    Siguro may kaugnayan yung sinasabi mong movement sa isang pakay ng mga hudyong mason. Sa tapat kasi mismo ng White House, may nakatindig sa obelisque. May nakasulat doon na “to limit the population to 500,000,000”. Bilyon na ang tao sa mundo. Paano gagawin o makakamit ang sustainable development kung bilyon ang dapat makinabang. Baka pati yung pagkalat ng AH1N1 naniwala kang galing sa Mexico?

  25. Golberg Golberg

    Huwag na silang magmalinis dahil tumatanggap din sila ng donasyon galing sa nakaw!

    Tumpak!!! Kaya si Card. Sin noong buhay pa, kahit manipis na ang buhok ang sarap sabunutan e. Di bale raw na tumanggap ng pera sa demonyo basta gamitin sa kabutihan. Katarantaduhan.

  26. Hindi ko malaman kung si Goldberg ba talaga ‘to o si Carlsberg ang kausap ko dito.

    Parang lasing na medyo alanganin, eh.

  27. Ang depopulation agenda ay pakana ng Rockefeller faction ng Illuminati. Both SARS and H5N1 targeted the Asian Genome specifically.

    When both China and Japan knew this, their Secret Societies woke up from a deep sleep, and are now threatening that they will start assassinating one by one the Illuminati’s 10,000 members using more than a million “sleepers” worldwide.

    There are raw info that Bush Sr. had been shot and Bush Jr. rushed to the hospital. Henry Kissinger was confirmed dead last Dec. 12, although a clone is seen moving around. A few bankers have already been neutralized to show that this Black Dragon Society is indeed determine to carry out these attacks.

    Then the Bush-Clinton Cabal responded with HAARP-enduced earthquake in Haiti, where a few of our own are casualties. “You wanna eliminate us, we’ll take you down with us”.

    The next few days and weeks will be very critical because there are accounts that need to be settled, and one of the centers of this World Financial War is our country as some gold are still here.

    The Bushes are rogue Nazis that the ignorant America nurtured all these years. And they are holding the Armageddon button at this most critical time.

    You have been warned.

    ps. i’m not really talking to Carlsberg. just using his questions as guides.

  28. Golberg Golberg

    Correction dun sa post Jan. 27 at 5:44pm
    It should be “and the gates of hades will not prevail against it.”

    Naging discussion na yung pagpasok ng mga heswita sa vatican. Controlled daw nila ang masonry. Pati islam gawa ng vatican. Marami palang Lolit Solis sa mundo. Matindi pa nga sa kanya. Alam na namin matagal na na nandun sila. Kayo ngayon lang? Ang bagal nyo naman.
    Kung akala mo kasama pa rin ako ng vatican, mag-isip ka ulit. Matagal na namin silang binabatikos sa mga ginagawa nila. 25 0 30yrs na yata. Akala mo sinusuportahan ko ang vatican? Aguy!!!

  29. Golberg Golberg

    Si Bush lang ang alam mo? Gusto mong makita kung sino-sino yung mga Obispo sa nasa loob?

  30. MPRivera MPRivera

    He he he heeeh!

    Kapag pala naging paksa ang simbahan ay naglalabasan ang mga pinag-aralan ng ilan nating dating seminarista.

    Wala lang away, hane?

    Tagay muna. ‘Yung baso palakarin na. ‘Yung kamay. Magtagal na daw sa suso huwag lang sa paghawak sa baso.

    Nauuhaw na kami sa mamam, eh.

  31. xman xman

    ———————-HITLER’S POPE—————–

    The Nazi SS also known as “SS” — a shortened name for the “Knights of the Holy See” is a Roman Catholic spiritual and military order first formed in 1933 based completely upon the Jesuit order structure upon the signing of the “sacred” Reich Concordat between Franz von Papen (on behalf of Nazi Germany) and Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII).

    As a military order of the Roman Catholic Church, the Knights of the Holy See (Nazi SS) are bestowed by the “infallible” legal orders of the Roman Pontiff on behalf of the Mother Church to wage constant Holy Inquisition against all heretics, including assassinations, torture and counter-intelligence, to protect the name of the Holy Roman Catholic Church and directly represent the interests of the Holy See as its primary order of Holy Knights– the SS (Sedes Sacrorum or Holy See).

    From late 1919 until he moved to Berlin in 1925, Hitler met with his mentor Cardinal Pacelli every few weeks and probably updated the Archbishop on his progress while receiving his next instructions. Testimony as a “matter of fact” to the regular and clockwork meetings of Hitler and Pacelli was given by the housekeeper and friend of Pacelli for 41 years, Sister Pascalina Lehnert.

    Hitler…..providing all the necessary gold to keep the Münchener Beobachter (Munich Observer ) and the DAP afloat….What is never mentioned is that Hitler came bearing millions of dollars of gold seemingly out of “thin air” to turn a small eccletic band into a political movement.

    Hitler was visited several times by Bernhardt Staempfle S.J. for the painful process of extracting the outline of an autobiography and political manifesto to be called Mein Kampf “My Life”. Within a few months of his release Fr Staempfle S.J. had completed Volume I “A Reckoning”….in Germany peppered by semi-fiction of the life of Hitler.

    The Jesuits even secured a top-notch Bavarian born US media agent named Ernst Hanfstaengl who had worked for Franklin Delano Roosevelt and was on close terms to many in German and US “high society” including media baron William Randolph Hearst.

    It was March 1933 that the world saw the word “Nazi” unleashed as a political religious force in the elections following the destruction of the Reichstag (Parliament) by Schutzstaffel agents and blamed on communists.

    But what is more incredible is the fabricated history that continues to hid the absolute fact that in 1933 after the Reich Concordat was signed with the Vatican, Fr. Himmler was elevated in power, name and status above Hitler. Fr. Himmler S.J. as the Reichführer has superior title (as opposed to plain old führer for Hitler). Fr Himmler had complete independent control over all police, paramilitary, intelligence, scientific research and weapons development and the dreaded elite units of over 50,000 just in 1933—and Hitler had absolutely no authority over him.

    The fact that Hitler could do nothing against Himmler at the end of the war when it is universally recognized that Himmler was seeking to broker some kind of personal peace deal is more than enough evidence to conclude Hitler was part-puppet to larger forces.

    ……that the role of Himmler best translates into the new Grand Inquisitor and that over 18 million innocent people were burned alive in human sacrifice camps in Poland and Russia, then the SS were without doubt the new “Holy Army” of a great inquisition against “heretics” orchestrated by the Vatican, Rome.

    As the Nazi order (”Knights of the Reich”) were formed by a formal Papal act and Deed in the form of the Reich Concordat 1933, the continued existence of the Nazi Order is conditional upon this legal document remaining enacted. Given the German Government and Holy See (Vatican) continue to honor this Concordat to this day, the Nazi order remains legally and technical still enacted, now bestowed unto a new organization.

    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/greg/?p=1332

  32. xman xman

    Francis Cardinal Spellman – Jesuit-trained at Fordham University in New York and the American College in Rome; Archbishop of Rome’s wealthiest and most powerful Diocese; “Military Vicar” of the American Empire controlling the Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasonry, the Knights of Columbus and the Mafia’s Commission; the acting King of the Pope’s Fourteenth Amendment “Holy Roman” American Empire (ruling from his Palace in the city of “the Empire State”, along with his Papal “Maltese Knights of the Roundtable”) overseen by the Professed Jesuits (Jesuits under Extreme Oath of the Fourth Vow) at Fordham University including now “Cardinal” Avery Dulles (the nephew of past Secretary, Vice President, and President of the Cardinal’s Council on Foreign Relations (1933-1950), past CIA Director until fired by President Kennedy and member of the deceptive Warren Commission. The Jesuit’s notorious uncle was none other than The Gentleman Spy, Rome’s prostitute Protestant Presbyterian and Shriner Freemason, Allen Dulles.) Spellman therefore controlled the Council on Foreign Relations, the FBI, the CIA, Military Intelligence (including the Office of Naval Intelligence) and the Secret Service; THE POWER AND MASTERMIND BEHIND THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY and subsequent Cover-up, continued by Cardinals Cooke and O’Connor.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican07.htm#Cardinal%20Spellman

  33. xman xman

    The purpose of the expose’ of the Twentieth Century is to prove the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, ordered by the Jesuit General and executed by Pope Paul VI, was carried out by “the American Pope”, Francis Cardinal Spellman. Spellman, being the Archbishop of New York, was “the American Military Vicar” and therefore used his most obedient soldiers – certain Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, Knights of Columbus and Mafia Dons – in carrying out his orders from Rome.

    The single reason for the President’s assassination was his interference with the purpose of the Jesuits’ Fourteenth Amendment American Empire created in 1868. That purpose was to restore and maintain the worldwide Temporal (political) Power of that Jesuit Creation of 1870 – the “infallible” Pope. In resisting the Pope’s Temporal Power, he threatened the monopoly of the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank by circulating four billion dollars in interest-free “United States Notes” only to be recalled the day after his burial.

    The President also attempted to break the foremost international intelligence arm of the Vatican’s Jesuits – the evil Central Intelligence Agency – “into a thousand pieces.” In 1963 the CIA was manned by many of Hitler’s old warriors – the Jesuit-controlled Nazi SS – turned “cold warriors”. According to the great Frenchman, Edmond Paris, in his The Secret History of the Jesuits, it was the Jesuit Staempfle who wrote Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican05.htm#The%20Purpose

  34. xman xman

    ——Assassination of President Kennedy—-
    “Rebel” to the Pope, in attempting to destroy the Jesuit General’s CIA and end “Spelly’s War” in Vietnam, and therefore was a “notorious tyrant” whose assassination was lawful, according to the Jesuit Suarez in his Defensio Catholica Fidei.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican06.htm

  35. Golberg Golberg

    “Ok, Luciferian worshipper Golberg”

    At ang tawag niya sa sarili niya ay kristiyano.
    “Huwag kayong hahatol at ng hindi kayo hatulan” Hanapin mo na lang sa banal na aklat na di mo naman sinusunod. Di ko kasi alam kung saan dun.
    Ang alam niya siguro mason ako. Pero di ako nagkamali na si Miller ay isang Mason.
    Ayaw mo sa Catholic di ba? Bakit si JFK naman topic mo ngayon? Unang Catholic President ng USA. Nagsalita laban sa secret societies. Kaya pinatay. Simple lang naman iyon.
    Ang dami mo ng inilagay na link. Di mo pa rin mapagdugtong yun Jesuit at Masonry. Kadugay! Ang bagal Adventist, ang bagal.

  36. Golberg Golberg

    Ganito lang naman iyan.
    Sa loob ng simbahan, nagkalat ang reformers at revolutionaries. Nagwagi sila at sila ngayon ang may hawak ng mga positions. Yung qoute mo sa taas na tungkol sa Revelation, nangyari na iyan mahigit 30 taon na ang nakalipas. Blangko ka pa rin kung sino ang nagaagawan sa posisyon.
    Uulitin ko lang ha, bawal sa simbahan ang communism at masonry. Paniwalang paniwala ka pa rin kay Jack Chick at Alberto Rivera.

  37. Golberg Golberg

    Inunahan na si JFK. Ayaw kasi nila na ang kanilang beacon of light ay pamunuan ng isang Traditional Catholic na may alam sa mga Jesuits at Masonry.
    Yun nga palang mga Jesuits, bago nasira iyan ng tuluyan nung sila ay itatag muli, may character iyan at mission. Nung mag-iba ng character at mission, marami ang umalis, isa diyan ay si Fr. Martin. Hiniling niya sa superior niya na alisin sa kanya ag vow of obedience at poverty. Pero nanatili ang vow of chastity. Nanatili siyang catholic in good standing. Dahil alam niya ang nangyayari sa loob ng simbahan. Iyan ang malinaw Adventist!
    And dami mo ng link na inilathala, di mo pa rin matumbok. Kadugay talaga!

  38. Golberg Golberg

    Mangangamba talaga sila sa automated elections dahil baka ang maupo ay di nila type. Baka detrimental iyan sa mission nila dito sa Asia. Kung hindi mo pa alam Adventist, pinagalitan na ng Pope si Rosales kasi hindi sumusunod.

  39. Hindi pa rin matapos itong debate, naaalala ko tuloy yung napakahabang debate nina artsee at luzviminda.

  40. Golberg Golberg

    Tongue, hindi talaga titigil. Dahil may mga taong sumasakay sa maling kwento at nakuntento na dun. Ang daming link na binigay pero 1/4 kung hindi 1/2 ang katotohanan. Naniwala nga na si Alberto Rivera ay pari eh. Ang daming isinangkot na likha daw ng Vatican. Ang hindi isinangkot yung Adventism na likha ng founder nila na isang Baptist at Masonry agent. Hindi rin isinangkot si White at yung may pakana ng masarap na Kellog’s corn flakes.
    Pagmasdan mo lang. Kung sakaling mangyari ngayong taon na ito ang isa sa tanda na inaabangan namin dito at may nagsabing “ito ngayon ang ating bagong hirang na Papa” maniniwala iyan.
    Pati si Phelps, naniwala kay Jack Chick at kay Alberto Rivera. Pag mayroon ng bagong Pope, pati si Phelps maniniwala iyan. Pareho kasi sila ng frame of mind.

  41. xman xman

    The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmund Paris, 1975.

    http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Paris-The_Secret_History_of_Jesuits%281975%29.pdf

    The author exposes the Vatican’s involvement in world politics, intrigues, and the fomenting of wars throughout history. It appears, beyond any doubt, that the Roman Catholic institution is not a Christian church and never was.

    Paris shows that Rome is responsible for the two great world wars.

    This religious anti-christ spirit working through them is seen again when Ignatius de Loyola created the Jesuits to secretly accomplish two major goals for the Roman Catholic Institution: 1) universal political power, and 2) a universal church, in fulfillment of the prophecies of Revelation 6, 13, 17 and 18.

    Ignatius de Loyola came to the conclusion that the only way his “church” could survive was by enforcing the canons and doctrines on the temporal power of the pope and the Roman Catholic institution; not by just destroying the physical life of the people alone as the Dominican priests were doing through the Inquisition, but by infiltration and penetration into every sector of life.

    As you read “The Secret History of the Jesuits,” you will see there is a parallel between the religious and political sectors. The author, Mr. Paris, reveals the penetration and infiltration of the Jesuits into the governments and nations of the world to manipulate the course of history by setting up dictatorships, and weakening democracies such as the United States of America, by paving the way for social, political, moral, military, educational and religious anarchy.

  42. balweg balweg

    Walastik mga Igan…history na ang inyong topic ah, medyo mahabang istorya ito at baka abutin tayo ng siyam-siyan niyan ah!

    Nais ko lamang ipahayag ang aking saloobin about sa Stand ng simbahan?

    Sa totoo lamang, NGAYON pa hihirit ang mga Obessepo e almost 10-years tayong kandakuba sa hirap at pasakit ng rehimeng arroyo na sila ang pasimuno kaya yan nagluklok sa Malacanang.

    Dapat huwag natin iaasa ang ating kapalaran sa mga Obessepo coz’kita mo naman halos majority sa kanila a pro-Gloria lalo na yong Mindanao block.

    Mga bulag na taga-pagakay coz’ ang sarili nilang flocks e kanilang binubusabos?

    Masyado silang believe sa kanilang sarili na akala nila e sila lang ang anak ni Bro!

  43. Golberg Golberg

    Paris shows that Rome is responsible for the two great world wars.

    Kahit umamin na si Albert Pyke, ibinintang pa rin sa Rome.

    This religious anti-christ spirit working through them is seen again when Ignatius de Loyola created the Jesuits to secretly accomplish two major goals for the Roman Catholic Institution: 1) universal political power, and 2) a universal church, in fulfillment of the prophecies of Revelation 6, 13, 17 and 18.” Ginamit pa ang Revelation.

    “This religious anti-christ spirit” Yung founder ng religion nila Mason. Anti Christ din.

    Sabi sa inyo hindi titigil iyan eh.

  44. xman xman

    Dapat huwag natin iaasa ang ating kapalaran sa mga Obessepo coz’kita mo naman halos majority sa kanila a pro-Gloria lalo na yong Mindanao block.

    Mga bulag na taga-pagakay coz’ ang sarili nilang flocks e kanilang binubusabos?

    xxxxxx

    Igan Balweg, ang Katoliko Romano sa Vatican ay kung maglaro sila ay kakampi nila ang both sides, republican o democrat, at dito sa atin ay opposition at pro-gloria. Ang hindi lang nila kakampi ay si Erap dahil nationalist sya. Babalikan ko ang tungkol sa nationalist mamaya o sa ibang thread dahil hahaba lang e.

    Sa biblia ang church ay hinantulad sa isang babae.

    Ang gusto palagi ng Katoliko Romano sa Vatican ay yong power o lider ng mga bansa sa buong mundo ay mag kasama sila sa kama. Ano ang ibig sabihin non? Ang gusto ng Katoliko Romano sa Vatican ay may power din sila sa bansang yon na katulad ng presidente o higit pa o nakikialam sa bansa. Paano magagawa yon? Sa pamamagitang ng political fornication (universal temporal power kuno ng Katoliko Romano sa Vatican). Paano ginagawa nila yon? Yong links ko tungkol sa pagpatay kay Pres. John Kennedy ay maliwanag na political fornication at criminal act. Ginawa rin yan dito sa Pinas. Paano nanalo si Cory? Nakialam ang mga pari at ginamit ang Namfrel para kunwari ay panalo si Cory, the rest is history ika nga. Nakialam din ang Katoliko Romano ng Vatican para ang maging pek lider ay si pandak. Syempre kung sila ang naglagay sa lider ay may influence o power sila sa lider, magagawa nila ang gusto nila dahil magkasama sila sa kama.

    Kaya nga sa biblia ang tawag sa Vatican Katoliko Romano ay PROSTITUTE na babae o church. Dahil “they are in bed whoever is in power.” Kaya nga dapat may “Separation of Church and the State.”

  45. MPRivera MPRivera

    xman,

    You mean to say they are sharing same bed with anyone in power? Para ngang parehong taputs, hane?

    Dapat nga magkaroon ng divorce of the Church and the State para huwag nang masalaula ang bawat isa. Problema lang, paanong sila ay maghihiwalay kung kapwa naman parehong hinahanap ang karinyo ng bawat isa? Ang sarap ng kanilang pagsasama?

  46. xman xman

    MPRivera, ang Katoliko Romano sa Vatican ay mahilig sa insertion sa ibat ibang kama sa buong mundo.

    Nasaan na si Luciferian worshipper Golberg? Alam kong andiyan ka at nagbabasa. Bakit ka nagtatago? Bakit ka natatakot sa mga katotohanan?

    Lumabas ka Satanas! Hahahahhahahahahha

  47. MPRivera MPRivera

    xman,

    Katoliko din ako subalit pinipili ko na lamang ang simbahang papasukin mula noong 1986 dahil dismayado ako sa ginawa ni Cardinal Mortal Sin sa pakikialam sa pulitika. Gayundin sa pagiging duwag ni Cardinal Gaudencio Rosales upang pangunahan ang pagpapatalsik sana kay gloria.

    I just find my own way of talking to God, thanking Him for all the blessings and miracles He do for me everyday and also confessing my sins directly simply because I find it more appropriate than having a priest ask for His forgiveness.

    Baka kasi maghintay pang abutan ko ng envelope.

  48. Golberg Golberg

    Nasaan na si Luciferian worshipper Golberg?

    If your judgement condemns you, I will see you in hell. Ang make no mistake about that bonehead!

    Bakit ka nagtatago?
    Di ako nagtatago kasi hindi naman naglalaro ng taguan ngayon.

    Bakit ka natatakot sa mga katotohanan?
    Yung katotohanang sinasabi mo o binibintang mo sa simbahan. Ang daming mali sa sa mga link mo. Balibhasa mahilig ka sa tsismis.
    Siya nga pala, yung vatican naitatag lang noong 1929.
    Nauna pa yung Mormons, Seksi ni Jehovah at nauna pa rin yung masonry.

    Sa biblia ang church ay hinantulad sa isang babae.
    Kaya away na nila ng church. At gumawa na lang si E. White ng bagong simbahan. At sila daw ang remnant ng true church. How stupid!

  49. Golberg Golberg

    Luciferian worshipper!

    Nakita mo na ba akong dumalo sa misa ng mga mason na sacrilegous? Black mass tawag dun. Dinuduraan yung host tapos tatapakan. Kung di mo ako nakita, huwag kang gumawa ng bintang ng di mo alam kung ano ibig sabihin.
    Itapon mo na bible mo. Di mo naman sinusunod kung ano ang sinasabi diyan e. Ginagamit mo lang sa paninira. Ang masaklap idudugtong mo pa sa isang tsismis. Bulok yung mga link mo. Galing pa kay Jack Chick.

  50. xman xman

    I just find my own way of talking to God….

    xxxxxxxx

    How do you know if your “own way” is the right way?
    What does the Bible says about this?
    Answer: I can say this about them, they want very much to obey God. But they do not know the right way. Romans 10:2 (Worldwide English)
    Man does not know the right way of serving him.

    What is the only basis of the “right way” of serving to God?
    Answer: The truth. Man must serve God in truth…..”Only fear the LORD, and serve him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things he hath done for you.” ( I Sam. 12:24 KJV)

    What is meant by truth? And what truth can do to man?
    Answer: “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (James 17:17 Ibid.)
    Thus, truth or the word of God is the only basis of the right way of serving God, and it also sanctifies man.

    Where can you find His truth?
    Answer: In the Holy Sriptures or Holy Bible. “ and that from childhood you have known the sacred Scriptures, which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.” II Tim. 3:15 (Holma Christian Standard Bible)

    MPRivera, the right way of serving Him is not based on what the man think, is right. It must be based on what the Holy Scripture says because that’s what will lead to your salvation.

    Paano mo malalaman kung sino ang totoo, na ang basehan ng aral ay Biblia lamang? Tanungin mo ang ibat ibang pari o ministro ng ibat ibang relihiyon ng kahit anong tanong na inaakala mo ay importante sa buhay mo. Ang pari o ministro na sumagot ng marami mong tanong na ang ginamit ay Biblia lamang ay yon ang tamang relihiyon, nandoon ang ikaliligtas mo.

  51. xman xman

    Nasaan na si Luciferian worshipper Golberg?

    If your judgement condemns you, I will see you in hell. Ang make no mistake about that bonehead!…Golberg

    Aba, alam mo pala na sa impeyerno ang punta mo…hahhahaha

    ——x———-

    Siya nga pala, yung vatican naitatag lang noong 1929….Golberg

    Naitatag ang Katoliko noong 1929.

    ———xx———-

    Itapon mo na bible mo. Di mo naman sinusunod kung ano ang sinasabi diyan e. Ginagamit mo lang sa paninira….Golberg

    Hahaahahha……takot ka sa Biblia dahil lahat ng mga ginagawa ng Katoliko Romano ay wala sa Biblia at ang nakalagay doon ay ang Katoliko Romano sa Vatican ay tahanan ng mga demonyo. You can take that to the bank! At saka yong mga pagan traditions na ginagawa ng Katoliko Romano ay ang pinanggalingan noon ay Satanic traditions and symbolism.

  52. xman xman

    Nakita mo na ba akong dumalo sa misa ng mga mason na sacrilegous? Black mass tawag dun. Dinuduraan yung host tapos tatapakan. Kung di mo ako nakita, huwag kang gumawa ng bintang ng di mo alam kung ano ibig sabihin….Golberg

    Ang sinasamba ng Jesuits at Papa ay si Lucifer.

    Sino ngayon ang sinasamba mo?

  53. xman xman

    Siya nga pala, yung vatican naitatag lang noong 1929.
    Nauna pa yung Mormons, Seksi ni Jehovah at nauna pa rin yung masonry….Golberg

    xxxxxxx

    This Luceferian worshipper is playing with words to fool people.

    Vatican City State was created in 1929 through the signing of Lateran Pacts.

    The Catholic Church started in fourth century around 325 AD.

    So, who came first? Catholicism or Mormons or Jehovah?

    What a liar!

  54. Golberg Golberg

    The Catholic Church started in fourth century around 325 AD.
    My goodness! You have missed 33 popes already. How stupid!

    Naitatag ang Katoliko noong 1929.
    Ikaw may sabi niyan hindi ako. Kasi sabi mo ang Catholism ay nagsimula noong 325AD. Pag sinabi mong vatican, yan ang state. Wala pang vatican noong 325AD mayroon ng holy see. Tanga!

    Aba, alam mo pala na sa impeyerno ang punta mo…hahhahaha
    Alam mo rin pala na ang punta mo ay impiyerno. Hahahahahaha.

    You can take that to the bank! At saka yong mga pagan traditions na ginagawa ng Katoliko Romano ay ang pinanggalingan noon ay Satanic traditions and symbolism.
    Buti pa pala ang mga protestante noon, naniniwala sa real presense. Di ka lang pala tanga, infedel ka pa.

    Hahaahahha……takot ka sa Biblia dahil lahat ng mga ginagawa ng Katoliko Romano ay wala sa Biblia.
    Sigurado ka bang ang lahat ay nasa biblia. Huwag mong gawing katulad mo ang Holy Ghost. Hindi Siya tatanga tanga.

  55. Golberg Golberg

    What a liar!-xman

    Yung mga posts mo, galing sa mga sinungaling. Ano ka ngayon?

  56. Golberg Golberg

    Man does not know the right way of serving him.
    As if W. Miller, E. White and J.H Kellog knows the way. Hehehehehehehehehehe.

    Answer: The truth. Man must serve God in truth…..”Only fear the LORD, and serve him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things he hath done for you.” ( I Sam. 12:24 KJV)
    As if W. Miller, E. White and J.H Kellog did this. Servew God in truth. Pero mayroon siyang: Who created and control Islam?

    Where can you find His truth?
    Answer: In the Holy Sriptures or Holy Bible.
    Mayroon din sa bible nakasulat ganito: “either by our word or by our epistle.” MPRivera, yung epistle lang daw basahin mo. Yung “word” kasi nila (Apostles) hindi nakasulat sa bible.

    What is meant by truth? And what truth can do to man?
    Answer: “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (James 17:17 Ibid.)
    Thus, truth or the word of God is the only basis of the right way of serving God, and it also sanctifies man.
    Ang dami pa namang tagubilin nung Holy Ghost sa mga Apostol. Pero sabi ng Adventist yung word lang na nasa bible ok na.

    Paano mo malalaman kung sino ang totoo, na ang basehan ng aral ay Biblia lamang? Tanungin mo ang ibat ibang pari o ministro ng ibat ibang relihiyon ng kahit anong tanong na inaakala mo ay importante sa buhay mo. Ang pari o ministro na sumagot ng marami mong tanong na ang ginamit ay Biblia lamang ay yon ang tamang relihiyon, nandoon ang ikaliligtas mo.
    Naku MPRivera, ang dami niyan. mahigit 33,000 na nagsasabing dala nila ang salita ng Diyos at ang Kanyang salita ay ang katotohanan. Katotohanang magpapalaya sa iyo.
    Pili ka dun sa 33,000 denominations and sect.

    Buti na lang yung common sense ko hindi pa nila kinakain. Buong buo pa rin.

  57. Golberg Golberg

    Adventist, nababasa dito yung mga post mo.
    Yung isa sa bumabasa, dating protestanteng pari.
    Kahit daw sa eskwelahan nila ng mga protestante noong nag-aaral pa siya, hindi lumabasa yung mga posts mo.
    Ngayon daw, may nakita siya ulit isang nilalang na wala talagang alam sa history ng simbahan. Ang masaklap, naniwala ka sa isang apostate na si Alberto Rivera na pinaniwalaan ni Jack Chick. Namumula na siya sa katatawa.
    Hindi ako ang may sabi niyan ha. Yung dating protestante. Hehehehehehehehehehehehe.

  58. xman xman

    Luciferian worshipper Golberg,

    Ang sinasamba ng JESUITS AT PAPA ay si LUCIFER.

    Sino ngayon ang sinasamba mo?

  59. xman xman

    What made Rivera dangerous to the Jesuits and probably led to his death, was Rivera’s sensitive and trusted position within the Order to infiltrate Protestant ministries and destroy them. Due to his sensitive work, he was given special Vatican clearance to the secret underground library catacombs where, according to Rivera, the true history of the world remains buried for the chosen few, who have sworn by blood oath, never to reveal the dark and sinister contents.

    When Rivera first went public, Rome became extremely angered and called upon her ecumenical contacts to go on the attack, attacking him like they always do by attacking the messenger. The Vatican, not wanting to publicly discuss the serious charges leveled against the Jesuits and the hierarchy of the Church, decided to discredit him personally, hoping people would then discount his message.

    The most notable of these personal attacks was an open letter published in Christianity Today, copied and distributed around the world many times since the 1980s. However, after reading this attack, James Houston, who had read enough of history to believe Rivera’s charges, came forward in defense of Rivera with a detailed report.

    Are Vatican accusations, claiming Rivera is a phony, true?

    The Canadian Protestant League, not connected with Rivera or his publisher, conducted an investigation. They printed their findings in 1983, 14 years before Rivera’s suspicious death. Here is a portion of their report, finding Rivera is exactly what he says he is: a former Jesuit priest who was converted to Christ and the vicious character assassination attempts made against him only go to prove the veracity of his statements about Rome.

    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/confessions/14-May-2006.html

  60. xman xman

    Charles Dickens’ “Life,” (by Foster, Volume II, page 274) described Popery as:
    “the most horrible means of political and social degradation left in the world.”

    Adam Smith (“Wealth of Nations,” Book V, Chapter 1, Part 3, Ant. 3):
    “The Church of Rome is the most formidable combination that ever was formed against the authority and security of civil government, as well as against the liberty, reason, and happiness of mankind.”

    Father Chiniquy in his book, “Fifty Years in the Church of Rome,” factuates the Vatican being responsible for the death of that dear man, Abraham Lincoln. He states on Page 512:
    “I come fearlessly today before the American people to say and prove that the President, Abraham Lincoln, was assassinated by the priests and Jesuits of Rome.”
    And if you have read this book, then you have noted that the Vatican also maligned the reputation of Chiniquy for his revealing the evil of Rome. This book was very popular when I first got converted (1957). Today, you probably could not purchase this book in most Christian book stores…..

    Philippines, which is predominantly Roman Catholic. According to the New York Times, March 20, 1981, page 9, a Jesuit priest attempted to overthrow the present regime of President Marcos. According to Station WINS, in N.Y. City, (April 8, 1981), the election now taking place is running 5 to 1 in favor of President Marcos, so it is for certain that the will of this Jesuit priest was not the will of the people. The question arises, “Whose will was it that Marcos should be overthrown?” There’s only one answer. “The Vatican.”

    One other question that should be on our hearts in discussing this matter is, “Why are most Roman Catholic countries Communistic?” The only answer is that Communism makes its greatest gains in Roman Catholic countries due to the abounding poverty and ignorance of the people. Note the following statement by John Gunther in his book, “Inside Europe Today,” published by Harper and Brothers, page 150:

    “The extreme right wing of the Church (of Rome) deplores too active and accent on education, because (a) this may lead to apostasy, and (b) an educated elite, becoming the ruling class, might turn out to be anticlerical and a competitor of the Church.”

    http://www.chick.com/articles/houstonletter.asp

  61. xman xman

    What is meant by truth? And what truth can do to man?
    Answer: “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (James 17:17 Ibid.)
    Thus, truth or the word of God is the only basis of the right way of serving God, and it also sanctifies man.
    Ang dami pa namang tagubilin nung Holy Ghost sa mga Apostol. Pero sabi ng Adventist yung word lang na nasa bible ok na.

    xxxxx

    Ang teachings ng Catholic Church ay galing lamang sa pagan traditions at walang sinusunod na nakasulat sa Biblia. Saan galing yang pagan traditions na yan? Galing yan sa ancient pagan satanic rituals. Yong revealed truth sa mga apostol na binigay ng Holy Ghost ay naisulat yon sa Biblia at walang binigay na revealed truth sa Papa. Paanong bibigyan ng revealed truth ang Papa ng Katoliko Romano e yan ang may numerong 666 na anti Christ at ang simbaha ng Katoliko Romano ay ayon sa Biblia ay prostitute at tahanan ng mga demonyo.

    Nasaan yong madaming tagubilin ng Holy Ghost sa mga apostol na hindi nakasulat sa Biblia? Sa Apocrypha ba nakasulat yon? Bwahhahahhahahhaa

    Ang apocrypha ay fraudulent documents created by Catholic Church.

    ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE CANONICITY OF THE APOCRYPHA
    · They are not, and have never been, in the Jewish canon.
    · Josephus explicitly excluded them from his list.
    · Philo (20 B.C.-50 A.D.) neither mentions or quotes them.
    · They were never quoted or alluded to by Jesus Christ or any of the apostles. The sermons in the Book of Acts, which outline Jewish history, do not included apocryphal events.
    · Jewish scholars meeting at the Council of Jabneh did not recognize them.
    · Most Church Fathers in fact rejected them.
    · None of the Apocrypha claim inspiration or divine authority.
    · Many of the Apocryphal books contain historical, geographical, and chronological errors.
    · Many of the Apocryphal books teach heresy, contrary to the Word of God.
    · Their literary style is legendary and fantasy. Some stories are grotesque and demonic.
    · They lack the power and distinctive elements of the Word of God.
    http://watch.pair.com/apocrypha.html

  62. xman xman

    What is the “Septuagint”?
    If you look in the preface of a modern Bible, you will probably find a reference to the Septuagint, or LXX for short.

    The Letter of Aristeas
    The whole argument that the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek before the time of Christ rests upon a single document.

    Thus, the Septuagint is claimed to exist at the time of Jesus and the apostles, and that they quoted from it instead of the preserved Hebrew text.

    The Letter of Aristeas is a hoax that doesn’t even fit the time period in which it claims to have been written. And since the other ancient writers merely add to this story, it is clear that the story itself of a pre-Christian Septuagint is a fraud. Even critical textual scholars admit that the letter is a hoax. Yet they persist in quoting the Letter of Aristeas as proof of the existence of the Septuagint before Christ.

    Who is pushing the Septuagint?
    So why do we still hear the story? Why do people give it a second thought? Are there other reasons why they still try to use the Septuagint to find “original readings” that were supposedly “lost from the Hebrew”?.

    1. Roman Catholics Need It

    According to the Roman Catholic Douay Bible:

    “…the Septuagint, the Greek translation from the original Hebrew, and which contained all the writings now found in the Douay version, as it is called, was the version used by the Saviour and his Apostles and by the Church from her infancy, and translated into Latin, known under the title of Latin Vulgate, and ever recognized as the true version of the written word of God” —Preface,1914 edition.

    So Roman Catholics desperately want the Septuagint to be genuine —even inspired! You see, the so-called Septuagint is where they got the Apocrypha (books that are not inspired and have no place in our Bibles). If the Septuagint goes, then the Apocrypha goes with it!

    http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/septuagint.asp

  63. xman xman

    Septuagint is the Old Testament’s translation from the original Hebrew Bible to Greek.

    Apostle Paul belongs to the New Testament. Don’t even try to lie about that “St. Paul’s 1st Epistle (Thessalonians) is in Greek with qoutes from Septuagint.”

    The ancient city of Thessalonia is in Greece. Paul was in Thessalonia when he wrote his 1st Epistle, Thessalonians. He has to write it in it’s vernacular language, which is Greek, for his audience in Thessalonia to understand him. That’s why Paul wrote his 1st Epistle, Thessalonians, in Greek. There was/is no evidence at all that Paul’s 1st Epistle, Thessalonians, with quotes from Septuagint.

  64. xman xman

    What is this LXX is supposed to be. An ancient document called “The Letter of Aristeas” revealed a plan to make an OFFICIAL translation of the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) in Greek. This translation was to be accepted as the official Bible of the Jews and was to replace the Hebrew Bible. Supposedly this translation work would be performed by 72 Jewish scholars (?), six from each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

    If there was an Aristeas, he was faced with two insurmountable problems.
    First, how did he ever locate the twelve tribes in order to pick his six representative scholars from each. Having been thoroughly scattered by their many defeats and captivities, the tribal lines of the 12 tribes had long since dissolved into virtual non-existence. It was impossible for anyone to distinctly identify the 12 individual tribes.
    Secondly, if the 12 tribes had been identified, they would not have undertaken such a translation for two compelling reasons.
    (1) Every Jew knew that the official caretaker of Scripture was the tribe of Levi as evidenced in Deuteronomy 17:18, 31:25,26 and Malachi 2:7. Thus, NO Jew of any of the eleven other tribes would dare join such a forbidden enterprise.

    Only the TRIBE OF LEVI handles the Scriptures, that’s in the Bible.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_09.asp

  65. Golberg Golberg

    Adventist, kahit maging 72 pa iyan o 67 hindi lahat isinulat diyan.
    Ano nga ba ang revealed truth na binigay kay W. Miller? Yung muling pagbabalik ni Jesus sa mundo? Kaya nagkaroon ng great dissapointment.
    Yung turo ba ni Ellen White at Kellog’s corn flakes?
    Na walang ano mang turo ng adventist church ang lalabas na hindi dumadaan sa kanya?
    Akala ko ba “everyone can intrepret for himself the written word of God.” Sinunod iyan ni Miller at ni White at ni Kellog mula sa mga protestante.
    Nakakalito yung mgahigit 33,000 religous sects and denominations ano? Kabilang kayo diyan. Kaya ngayon bible naman ang ilalagay mo sa hot seat.

    Paanong bibigyan ng revealed truth ang Papa ng Katoliko Romano e yan ang may numerong 666 na anti Christ at ang simbaha ng Katoliko Romano ay ayon sa Biblia ay prostitute at tahanan ng mga demonyo.
    Bago mo sinabi iyan may nagsabi na niyan. Sila mismo kinain nila yung sinabi nila dahil sila mismo ang nagimbestiga. At sila na rin mismo ang napahiya. Dahil hindi naman Vicarius Filei Dei ang nakasulat dun kundi Vicarius Cristi.

    Nasaan yong madaming tagubilin ng Holy Ghost sa mga apostol na hindi nakasulat sa Biblia? Sa Apocrypha ba nakasulat yon? Bwahhahahhahahhaa
    Kahit sa apocrypha marami ang hindi nakasulat dun. Tanga!
    At ginawa mo pang inutil ang Holy Ghost.

  66. Golberg Golberg

    1) Every Jew knew that the official caretaker of Scripture was the tribe of Levi as evidenced in Deuteronomy 17:18, 31:25,26 and Malachi 2:7. Thus, NO Jew of any of the eleven other tribes would dare join such a forbidden enterprise.

    And every Jew knows that Jesus did not resurrect from the dead and His body was stolen. Hindi mahirap sa kanila ang tumanggi at hindi rin mahirap para sa kanila ang gumawa ng kwento.

    Sa mga protestante galing yung Sola Fide at Sola Scriptura niyo. Ano nga ba ang revealed truth na binigay kay Ellen White?

  67. xman xman

    What an outright Lie, LIAR, LIAR, KANTO GIRL!

    Luciferian worshipper Golberg,

    Ang sinasamba ng JESUITS AT PAPA ay si LUCIFER.

    Sino ngayon ang sinasamba mo?

  68. Golberg Golberg

    Are Vatican accusations, claiming Rivera is a phony, true?

    Pati mga protestante nagduda sa pagkatao niya kaya hindi lang Catholic church ang nagsabing siya ay fraud.
    Si Jack Chick na pinagkwentuhan ni Rivera, ang mga comics niya pinatanggal din ng mga protestante sa mga tindahan nila. Napakarami nga naman kasing mali. Mga Protestante ang nagsabi niyan.

  69. xman xman

    Sinong protaste? Yong Prostante kuno na infiltrated na ng Jesuits? Tama na ang mga kasinungalingan mo! Go back and worship Lucifer. By the way, ipunas mo sa pwet mo ang apocrypha at kainin, gago walang modo at sinungaling.

  70. xman xman

    Puro ka dada….ala ka namang proof sa mga pinagsasabi mo. Bastos ka hayop ka.

  71. Golberg Golberg

    Go back and worship Lucifer. By the way, ipunas mo sa pwet mo ang apocrypha at kainin, gago walang modo at sinungaling.
    Sabi mo, ang church na nasa bible ay tahanan ng mga demonyo. Away nyo ng church di ba kasi Babylon yun according sa bible? Ayaw nyo ng church organization. Pero ngayon organized na kayo.

    Luciferian worshipper Golberg,
    Pasensya ka na ha. Hindi ako Mason. Mga Mason yung ganun e.

    Ang sinasamba ng JESUITS AT PAPA ay si LUCIFER.
    At ikaw naniwala kay Ellen White?
    Pasensya na ulit ha. Matagal na namaning binabatikos yung mga Jesuits at yung Pope sa mga kagunggungan nila.

    Sinong protaste? Yong Prostante kuno na infiltrated na ng Jesuits?
    Protestante talaga. At hindi sila infiltrated ng mga Jesuits. Na ordain nga silang 2 sa isang simbahan sa France (Le Chardonnet)

    What an outright Lie, LIAR, LIAR, KANTO GIRL!
    Tama naman na wala sa mga 12 tribes ng Israel ang kumilala kay Jesus na siya ang Christ. Hanggang ngayon naghihintay sila ng Messiah. At hindi ako girl.
    Jesuits infiltrated the Protestants. Its not true because they only go to Protestant countries on special requests.
    Islam created by the Catholic church. Is not true because during the crusades the Muslims were so furious against the crusaders. Why will the Catholic church create a religion which is too different from her? You said that Islam was created by the Catholic church, that is a lie.
    To tell the world that the bible is the sole ruler of faith and that the church which Christ founded disappeared and you claim that your church is the remnant church is a lie.
    Again, you dont want an organize church but Ellen White organized you. Now you have a church.
    To tell the ignorant Catholics that the Catholic church is behind the creation of Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses is a lie. Because just like your religion, they hate the Catholic Church.

    By the way, ipunas mo sa pwet mo ang apocrypha at kainin, gago walang modo at sinungaling.
    Ganyan ba ang turo ni Ellen White sa inyo? Kapag napipikon kung anu-ano ang lumalabas sa bibig o pinipindot ng daliri?
    At hindi mo kayang mabasa na ginawa nyo ngang inutil yung Holy Ghost dahil meron naman kayong Ellen White.

    Puro ka dada….ala ka namang proof sa mga pinagsasabi mo. Bastos ka hayop ka.
    Mas marami kang posts kaysa sa akin. Sino ang mas madada?
    At sino ngayon ang bastos sa ating 2?
    Bastos ba ako kasi ayaw mong harapin yung issue ninyo nila W. Miller, E. White at J.H Kellog?

    Go back and worship Lucifer.
    Like what I have said. I am not a Mason and I dont participate in black masses.
    But you can go back ang slap W. Miller and E. White and J.H Kellog.

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