The case of Sen. Panfilo “Ping” Lacson, who is the subject of an arrest order is gross injustice inflicted by Gloria Arroyo not only on the senator but on the Filipino people.
It cannot be denied that the many expose of Lacson contributed to the unpopularity of Arroyo which eventually caused her being sidelined from power today. It is therefore sad that Justice Secretary Leila de Lima is allowing herself and her office to perpetrate the injustice instead of reversing it.
The Lacson family has brought the plight of the beleaguered senator to the Filipino people with an open letter detailing the blatant inconsistencies in the prosecution’s so called “evidence” . The letter is signed by Romulo Lacson, Feliciano Lacson, Reynaldo Lacson,Juanito Lacson, Ma. Corazon Lacson-Magpayo,Ernani Lacson, and Ma. Cristina Lacson-Diaz.
Here’s the excerpts. For the full letter, click here A Christmas Wish Nov27AM Rey lacson:
“In every Filipino family, two things are most treasured: honor and home.
“Our brother, Senator Panfilo “Ping” Lacson is accused of masterminding the murder of
Salvador “Bubby” Dacer and his driver. The principal evidence against him that the
previous administration’s DOJ investigating panel and the court considered “probable
cause” was an affidavit by a lone witness, Cesar Mancao.
“ In that affidavit, Mancao narrated a supposed conversation inside a car between Ping and Michael Ray Aquino wherein Ping allegedly ordered Aquino to have Dacer murdered. He claimed to have overheard the conversation while seated at the front seat of the car next to Ping’s
driver, Reynaldo Oximoso, while Ping and Aquino were at the backseat.
“To establish “probable cause”, the investigators and the judge must find the evidence
credible. It must lead a reasonable person to believe that the person being accused
committed a crime.
“We believe that a careful consideration of the following facts will lead reasonable
person to a conclusion that Mancao’s allegation in his affidavit was a fabrication and an
absolute lie…
“In our last Christmas together, Ping already told us of frantic moves of the previous
administration to have an arrest warrant against him. He told us to take comfort in the
fact that he had nothing to do with that crime.
“Before the warrant for his arrest came out, Ping decided to become inaccessible. That
was his personal decision. We understand that it had nothing to do with guilt or
cowardice. He had enough information to base it on. For one, he knew then that the
RTC judge was an applicant for promotion to the Court of Appeals. An evil trap was set
by a perceived corrupt administration and it was about to be sprung on him.
“Subsequent events validated his belief. On Friday, February 5, 2010, the RTC judge
issued a warrant of arrest against him. On Monday, February 8, 2010 the Judicial and
Bar Council recommended the judge to President Arroyo and she was promoted to the
Court of Appeals one month later.
“Ping became unreachable to avoid being a victim of an evil conspiracy to put him away
because of his anti-graft and corruption crusade. Self-preservation is a natural human
instinct. He did not regard letting evil triumph as an act of decency.
“A person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. But with a non-bailable crime like
murder, the reality is that punishment comes before conviction. The accused suffers in
jail while a court trial is ongoing to prove his guilt or innocence. Our Constitution says
that the right to bail can be denied when the evidence of guilt is strong. In the case
filed against Ping, the evidence is not only weak; it is fabricated. Just one affidavit with
a conflicting story by a witness of doubtful credibility against multiple exonerating
affidavits and statements, including two previously made by the accusing witness
(Mancao) is why we say it is.
“Therefore, we are extremely puzzled why DOJ Secretary Delima continues to ignore calls
for a reinvestigation of this case. According to the DOJ secretary’s interviews, she is
waiting for additional evidence to start such a reinvestigation. If the foregoing facts are
not enough, we do not know what else would justify a reinvestigation. We can only
guess that public prosecutors at the DOJ who had a hand in filing this case are giving her
the wrong counsel.
“A friend sent this message: “From dark clouds, we get precious water. From dark mines,
we get valuable jewels. And from our darkest trials come our best blessings from God.”
“This we believe in. We believe that justice and truth will ultimately prevail in God’s own
time. Until then, we would like to express our gratitude to those who understand and
sympathize with us.”
Thank you so much Elen for this article!
This is outrageous… Gloria and her partner in crime, Jose Pidal aka Mike “the pig” Arroyo, Sr, knew that if they didn’t do anything before power slipped from Gloria’s dirty fingers, they stood to find themselves in prison if they allowed Ping Lacson to remain free.
So what did the most despicable couple in recent Philippine history do? They rigged everything! They wiggled their way through the corrupt Philippine justice system and instructed their henchmen to issue a warrant for the arrest of the only person who’s had the balls to run after the Pidals!
The arrest warrant should be issued against the Pidals (Gloria and Mike Arroyo) and not against one of the two bravest senators the country ever had. (All the other senators today are scumbags and shits!)
And to those who say that Ping Lacson should surrender, I say to them bullocks, bullocks, bullocks again! What for? To face the corrupt justice system in the Philippines, the same justice system that is littered with the bad grains that Gloria and that shithead Mike Arroyo had sown before they left Malacanang?
This is a country where true bravery and courage are a rare commodity… Don’t waste this opportunity — you have a senator who’s fought well to nail the hideous and despicably corrupt couple that ruled the Philippines in recent times… He stood there alone while many of the Filipinos didn’t even lift a finger to help him nail the corrupt couple. Be one with Lacson! You might not see another one like him in your lifetime again.
wala na si Gloria! eh ba’t pa sya nagtatago??? sabi nga ni Pnoy, equal and fair treatment can be expected… Eh sa sitwasyon ngayon eh parang nagkakaroon ng sense ang “flight is a sign of guilt”…nabasa ko tuloy ang sinulat ni Ellen nung 2007 na ganun din ang title…http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=1618
totoo nga! flight is a sign of guilt!
@#2 anndebrux
magkakaroon din ng arrest warrant ang mga pidal “ay este” arroy pala…hahhaha.. di palang nasisimulan ang kanilang kaso, pero mangyayari at mangyayari din yan sa kanila…
“Justice is the means by which established injustices are sanctioned” — Anatole France quotes (French Writer, member of the French Academy and Nobel Prize for Literature in 1921, 1844-1924))
Isuko lang ninyo kapatid ninyo, yun lang! Si Magtanggol Gatdula din naman ang director ng NBI na dating subordinate ni Ping dati sa PNP, eh ano pa ba kinatatakotan????
I wonder why Sec. de Lima is so hard on Lacson. 🙁
Is it really a matter of court decision and she cannot do anything about it or is it something else?
Why put a P2M reward on Sen. Ping’s head and give him ultimatum? Can she not really order a “review” of the evidence?
I support Lacson, “And to those who say that Ping Lacson should surrender, I say to them bullocks, bullocks, bullocks again!”
@5 annadebrux
nobody is being convicted yet, and for sure the Senator from Cavite is not a victim of injustice, the court orders his arrest so be it… And if there is nothing to feel more guilty about, then just show up and prove it!
atty sax, where are you?
@7 Chi
Ask the question also on “why Sec. De Lima is so on the Ampatuans?” and as well towards the Pidals…
— martinsampaga
Not always… As ever, it’s bad to generalise. If it was true that flight is generally a sign of guilt, then 10 million OFWs are guilty (of escaping from the Philippines)
In a country like the Philippines where justice is the justice for dogs (for as long as you have a Supreme Court that’s peppered with hand-picked Gloria shits), it would be gobsmackingly stupid to expect justice not even under this lacksadaisica regime!
“Justice while she winks at crimes, Stumbles on innocence sometimes” Samuel Butler (English novelist, essayist and critic, 1835-1902)
CHR (de lima)
PNP (lacson)
meron kaya?
Tama si martinsampaga.
Lacson is a lawmaker, why is he hiding from the same laws that he supposed to represent? His actions are questionable.
By the way I did not know that Gloria Arroyo is guilty in the Dacer-Corbito case.
Filipinos have an incredible short memory… they also like to re-write history to feel well and at ease with their conscience.
Who was the only senator that was battling the Pidals while everybody else hemmed and hawed?
Who did everything to charge Ping Lacso as a matter of vendetta (this is what it’s all about) knowing that she was going out of power?
I did not know that Gloria Arroyo is guilty in the Dacer-Corbito case. — NFA rice
I didn’t know that either… so are they? Well, hang them from the highest lampost! But of course one can’t bloody expect anything from the so-called the civil society which was responsible fos shitting on the Constitution in the first place! No wonder the Philippines is still in deep bloody shit!
@ Annadebrux #11
“Not always… As ever, it’s bad to generalise. If it was true that flight is generally a sign of guilt, then 10 million OFWs are guilty (of escaping from the Philippines)”
Thats has a very big difference you pointed out there… OFW’s flew out the country to look for money and come back resurface again… for Ping, he flew out the country to escape and avoiding the legal procedure from our justice system… He said at first before May 10 election, he said he will never trust the Pidal Administration and he will only trust the administration he endorsed and fortunately won the presidential election, now its the Pnoy Administration….Now,its been almost 6 months that the person he endorsed and gave support is now the President of the Philippines… Where was the trust that he said?
Akala niya siguro di mananalo….kaya ayan! nagkalitselitse na! tago na ng tago!
AnnaDeBrux,
It seems like to you, kay Gloria nagsimula lahat. Pop Quiz: Who were the people that illegaly pushed Gloria to power?
Ikaw ang magtanong, martinsampaga nyan, why me? Ampatuan is not the issue here, it’s Lacson.
@ 18 # Chi
“Ikaw ang magtanong, martinsampaga nyan, why me? Ampatuan is not the issue here, it’s Lacson”
oo nga si Lacson ang issue nito, pero bakit ka naman kasi napatanong na parang wala kang tiwala ky Sec. de lima… patanong mo kasi eh parang ibig mong sabihin kasi eh si Lacson lang ang iniinitan at sobrang kawawa na inaapi ni Sec. de lima.. so hayan, reply ko sa’yo tanongin mo rin bakit sya mainit sa mga Ampatuan at sa mga Pidal “ay este” Arroyo pala…para sa ganun makita mo na patas ang paglilingkod ni Sec. De Lima…
And guess what? One of the most coward senators in the Philippines, said:
— Alan Cayetano http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20101106-301725/Cayetano-Hunt-for-Lacson-a-test-of-govt-political-will
Oh, bugger off, Alan Cayetano! Fugitive of justice? What political will are you squeaking about? You had everything in your hands to nail Gloria during the hearings to determine Pidal’s ill gotten wealth issues, yet backed out because you lost your political balls, so don’t go around challenging this govt to arrest the only person who’s ha…d the balls to run after the Pidals! So again, with more feeling, I say, sod off!
Alan Cayetano had all the papers but he was so goddamned scared that he would be required to testify in America re the origin of the documents he had in his hand. He was pissing water! He was advised to send the papers he had in his possession detailing the ill-gotten wealth of the Pidals anonymously to the OECD brigade des finances (against money laundering) but he was sooo frigging frightened. Ping Lacson thought he could depend on this shitty senator (son of another senator who did some insider trading with BW) so they could finally nail the despicable couple in Malacanang but as ever, you can’t trust shithead Cayetano, the guy with an enormous tummy but with tiny feet!
@18 Chi
heto ang wandering mo sa message number 7 na nasa taas..
“I wonder why Sec. de Lima is so hard on Lacson.”
“he flew out the country to escape and avoiding the legal procedure from our justice system”
Oh yeah? Gloria issued that warrant of arrest! You call that justice system? Good Lord! No wonder this country is still in deep bloody shit!
“Pop Quiz: Who were the people that illegaly pushed Gloria to power?” NFA rice
If you don’t know the answer to that yet, after all this time, you’ll never ever know, no matter who tells you. My sympathies to you.
Alain Cayetano likes to boast that he’s 5’2″ — yeah! He stands five feet short with a less than 2-inch dick (no balls to boot!)
@20 AnnaDeBrux:
No one help unless the court decision will be rigged forcefully by someone in power and dont mind Sen. Cayetano,he is just one hypocrite who favors lacson’s arrest… unfortunately, this time isnt favoring him, so for his family be at peace at once, why wont he just resurfaced the like a “man” a senator and as a former police officer,not like this that his family appealing to everyone espc. to the public saying his innocents… Come on! he should just take it like a man…
So, what’s your point, martinsampaga? Was my question wrong?
“Come on! he should just take it like a man…”
Face what? The shitty, crappy bleeding justice system in the Philippines? What on earth for? You still believe in the justice system in Pinas? Good Lord! You mentionned the Ampatuans… clear as daylight, first-hand witnesses and look, all the Ampatuans are having a jolly good time shitting on Filipinos. You proud of that justice system?
The stupidest thing that an innocent man could do is to be naive and believe that the justice system in the Philippines is just particularly if the courts are peppered with Gloria’s pieces of crap!
Good Lord! No wonder this country is still steep in shit!
@AnnaDeBrux,
There you go. The unmentionable elephant in the room.
@AnnaDebrux #22
“Oh yeah? Gloria issued that warrant of arrest! You call that justice system? Good Lord! No wonder this country is still in deep bloody shit!”
It was a common sense that time that gloria pidal was the president and she can order anyone for arrest, yeah? but to see, even this Administration’s Dept of Justice sees no reason to endorse and reversed the judge decision of pulling of his warrant of arrest…
And please, dont write any profanities here, because Ms.Ellen Tordesillas doesnt like that..hehehhe
As to your “Sen. Cayetano,he is just one hypocrite” — problem is that he epitomises most people in government today (and a vast portion of the Philipine population) and worst, in the Philippine justice system that you seem to be very proud of!
Sorry, that’s not a question. So, was it wrong?
My apologies for writing shit, bloody, putangina, shithead, crap, naknampucha, fucking Pidal couple, etc., etc.
@AnnaDeBrux #30
there is nothing to be proud at this nor be to regret about.. As for at this time, my concern is for his family and it would be more easy for Sen. Lacson if he’l be the man to just show up and resurface…thats it!
@Chi #31
walang wrong, intindihihin mo lang natin na nagtatabraho si Sec. De Lima… hindi iniinitan si Sen. Lacson…
@AnnaDeBrux #32
“My apologies for writing shit, bloody, putangina, shithead, crap, naknampucha, fucking Pidal couple, etc., etc”
damn that is sad… you better prepare yourself saying sorry to our dear Ms. Ellen Tordesillas..hehehee
That’s your opinion, martinsampaga. I have my doubts.
I advise Sen Lacson to ensure that he gets a fair treatment in the sense that they will not arrest nor imprison him when he returns to face the shitty justice system of this country before he returns. An official document must attest to that (hopefully issued in good faith — putangina talaga, difficult to trust anyone in this govt!!!)
Obviously, there is no guarantee that a signed document even by the highest officers of this God-forsaken justice system will be honoured (I doubt in the honourability of people serving in this govt, particularly those who serve in the courts, save perhaps for one or two)… there’s really little one could do in the justice system that’s gone to the dogs. But better to have a letter signed and sealed — better than no guarantee at all.
Hahaha@Anna!
#36 Chi
yes, that is my Opinion Chi… sorry its not good to read for someone who support sen.lacson..
I repeat:
This is a country where true bravery and courage are a rare commodity… Don’t waste this opportunity — you have a senator who’s fought well to nail the hideous and despicably corrupt couple that ruled the Philippines in recent times… He stood there alone while many of the Filipinos didn’t even lift a finger to help him nail the corrupt couple. Be one with Lacson! You might not see another one like him in your lifetime again.
#37 Anna
Sabi nga ni Sen. Ping Lacson bago tumakas sa ibang bansa,bago lumabas ang warrant of arrest,bago mangyari ang May 10 election at bago naupo at nanumpa bilang pangulo si Benigno Aquino III; Ang tanging administrasyon na kanyang pagkakatiwalaan ay ky Benigno “noynoy Aquino lamang… so its about time to stick to his words,simply show up and defend the accusation right by his face like a trained warrior from the Philippine Military Academy…
All that’s necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing. — Edmund Burke
And when one man tried to do something, a vast portion of the political community including their followers from the civilian population hemmed and hawed! No wonder this country remains in deep, sodden shit!
Anna, read this. Madadagdagan pa ang pagmumura mo. Anong kasipsipan at kagaguhan ito?!
“Ayon naman sa PNP, hindi sila titigil sa paghahanap kay Lacson hanggang sa maaresto ito kahit na humantong sa barilan kung saka-sakali.
“Ang ating mga baril ay pag-aari ng gobyerno para depensahan natin ang ating mga sarili at mamamayan. Gagamitin ‘yan ng ating mga pulis kung kinakailangan,” ani Cruz.
Sinabi nito na na-deploy na ang mga tracker teams para hanapin si Lacson.” http://www.abante-tonite.com.ph
“Sabi nga ni Sen. Ping Lacson bago tumakas sa ibang bansa,bago lumabas ang warrant of arrest,bago mangyari ang May 10 election at bago naupo at nanumpa bilang pangulo si Benigno Aquino III;”
And inasmuch as gloria’s presidency was a bogus, fake, illegal presidency, then it’s easy for de Lima to turn that around… why succumb to the whims of an illegal govt? Why subscribe to the vendetta operations of that illegal govt? Is there honour in doing that?
I suspect it’s because there are some shitty politicos there who are stepping up the pressure for de Lima and this Aquino govt to honour the past illegal govt’s whims…
#40 Anna
“This is a country where true bravery and courage are a rare commodity” “Be one with Lacson! You might not see another one like him in your lifetime again”
If thats what you believe in, you be one who supports the calling for his resurfacing and time for him also to see for yourself, as his family say their test of time… If he really is the man that indeed someone you expect very courageous, again, he should show up….
#44 Anna
” suspect it’s because there are some shitty politicos there who are stepping up the pressure for de Lima and this Aquino govt to honour the past illegal govt’s whims”
Uulitin ko,nanindigan si Sen. Lacson na ang susunod na gobyerno na ang tanging kanyang pagkakatiwalaan ay ky Pres. Noynoy Aquino lamang…. kung di ba nangyari ang kanyang gusto na baliktarin ang warrant of arrest eh magagalit na lamang ba at magtago?
Chi,
““Ayon naman sa PNP, hindi sila titigil sa paghahanap kay Lacson hanggang sa maaresto ito kahit na humantong sa barilan kung saka-sakali.”
Chi, Good Lord! Much as I would like to refrain from making mura, can’t help it when I read this sort of garbage! (Ok I will only make little mura not to offend the sensibilities of our friend here…) Putangina nila talaga. Our police is the laughingstock of the world. They couldn’t do anything for the hostages in Luneta and they go around bragging they will shoot it out?
So, sige, barilan na lang sila! Our police is one of the most corrupt in the world… Anybody who says the contrary needs to have his/her head examined. The only time the police had to become somewhat less braggart was during the time of Lacson. It was he that was did his desperate best to make something useful of our useless police.
I find it impressive some people doesn’t see the irony in this.
“If he really is the man that indeed someone you expect very courageous, again, he should show up….”
Don’t be a fool! Only fools and shitheads will trust the word of a justice system as corrupt as the Philippines! And I am of the opinion that Sen Lacson is no goddamned fool. Read my “advice” to him.
Why would I encourage him to show up without the least bit of guarantee when I myself, personally don’t trust this country’s despicable, shitty justice system. That wouldn’t be consistent with what I’m professing! C’mon!
It was he [Lacson] who did his desperate best to make something useful of our useless police. That was one opportunity lost. Our police is an organisation of losers.
Anna,
Grabe, PNP Cruz says ““Ang ating mga baril ay pag-aari ng gobyerno para depensahan natin ang ating mga sarili at mamamayan. Gagamitin ‘yan ng ating mga pulis kung kinakailangan,”
Teka, may ginawa bang masama si Lacson sa Pinas at tao para babarilin sya ng baril-gobyerno in case na ayaw nyang sumurender? Cruz is making hamon to Lacson! WTF!
#49 AnnaDebrux
“Don’t be a fool! Only fools and shitheads will trust the word of a justice system as corrupt as the Philippines! And I am of the opinion that Sen Lacson is no goddamned fool. Read my “advice” to him.
Why would I encourage him to show up without the least bit of guarantee when I myself, personally don’t trust this country’s despicable, shitty justice system. That wouldn’t be consistent with what I’m professing! C’mon!
So you are saying and by his current behaviour only proved that the statement made by Ping Lacson saying he will only trust Noynoy Aquino ay isang pang sisipsip lamang para baka sakali ay mabigyan sya ng pabor at at sa ganun lumakas ang kanyang links sa malakanyang…hehhehehe
you know what, the way you show support to your man, the senator, only worsen his appearance making him placed as undoubtedly the guilty one… naalala ko lang yung ibang tao tuwing napagbintangan sa mga maliliit na bagay, may mga phrase sabay mura “tang ina! ba’t ako tatakbo eh wala naman akong kasalanan”…hahahhahah.. si Ping Lacson, iba eh, sabi siguro ” magtago na ako”..hehheheh
Only fools and shitheads will trust the word of a justice system as corrupt as the Philippines! – Anna
Swak na swak mo!
— Chi
I reckon de Lima is under extreme pressure by a huge portion of the political and justice system (who happen to be goddamn remnants of Gloria’s corrupt government) not to do anything of the sort.
Either she believes that Gloria’s vendetta operations against Ping Lacson are morally and legally right (they’re the truth and nothing but the truth), hence Gloria’s anti-Ping stand remains and Ping should be arrested or in her conscience believes that Gloria’s orders are morally and legally flawed, hence need to be re-examined. To me it’s as simple as that.
Where has this country’s moral courage gone? There are very, very, very, very, very few people in govt today with moral courage. Physical courage is easy… even our cowardly police say they’ve got physical courage but moral courage? NONE whatsoever! This country’s enormous political and justice machineries don’t possess moral courage.
No wonder this country is still in deep shit!
“statement made by Ping Lacson saying he will only trust Noynoy Aquino”
If he really said that, then fine — if he trusts Aquino only then let Aquino prove to him that he should be and could be trusted… So far, I’ve not seen an iota of evidence that Aquino has given his word (written if you please) that he should and could be trusted!
#53 Chi
“Only fools and shitheads will trust the word of a justice system as corrupt as the Philippines! – Anna’
hahahhahha..Paano kung humarap si Ping Lacson at pagka tapos ng kanyang trial eh na acquit? tapos kayo yung naniwala…hehehheheh… swak din ba iyan?
“you know what, the way you show support to your man, the senator, only worsen his appearance making him placed as undoubtedly the guilty one”
I’m not the only supporter of Lacson here… Thank God. There are old Ellenville residents here who support Lacson and thank God they are not swayed by primitive perceptions that appearance of guilt means someone is guilty.
#55 AnnaDebrux
“So far, I’ve not seen an iota of evidence that Aquino has given his word (written if you please) that he should and could be trusted!
di naman kelangan maging ebidensya iyan na si noynoy ay mapagkatiwalaan, alam naman ng lahat nung sinabi niya nung inauguration at sa mga iilan na mga press conference na napapadaan sa TV…hehhehe
Primitive perceptions are what drove the Philippines to the brink of a general Payatas dumpsite!
“di naman kelangan maging ebidensya iyan na si noynoy ay mapagkatiwalaan, ”
Oh yeah? Now, my turn to laugh… 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
Tinatapos mo ang storya ni Lacson ayon sa iyong gusto, martinsampaga?
Ellen, friends and countrymen,
Would have loved to continue discussing with you the merits of moral courage but I gotta go and hit the sack. Am getting up in 4 hours to do a 12-hour drive…
Must loveyouallandleaveyou. Cheers.
Have a good weekend all (you too Martinsampaga 😉 and see you all next week.
Ellen, friends and countrymen,
Would have loved to continue discussing with you the merits of moral courage but I gotta go and hit the sack. Am getting up in 4 hours to do a 12-hour drive…
Must loveyouallandleaveyou. Cheers.
Have a good weekend all (you too Martinsampaga 😉 and see you all next week. 😉
#60 annadebrux
hahahhaha… wala na…tsk tskk tskk galit ba or tumatawa? hahahahhaha..
#60. Bwahahahahahaha!!!
@63 # AnnaDeBrux
sige…ingat ka lagi..next time,walang personalan ha..hehehehhehe
hurt ako…heheheh
But we all know that the Justice System in the Philippines is tilted more on the side of the wealthy, the elite, the powerful, with connections and where we categorized senator Lacson among these. If i were an ordinary joe, and be able to hide the way the senator can, i would not even even bother to ask for any sympathy from anyone as surely as the sun rises the same way east, will not get any. and here we can already see that even as the authorities been talking about the Sardines King harbouring the Fugitive Senator, he is untouchable…just imagine the ordinary joe.
I did not know that Gloria Arroyo is guilty in the Dacer-Corbito case. — NFA rice
But we know that GMA is guilty of committing crimes against the Filipino people.
It all comes down to the same basic question of asking if Ping was not the mastermind, who was? Same thing we asked about Ninoy assassination…if it was not Marcos, then who? Or we could make a funny conclusion that Dacer and Corbito killed each other.
Ping used to be with the most feared MISG during the Marcos regime under the then notorious Col. Abadilla. He was an expert in intelligence operation. Sources close to him said Ping himself does not pull the trigger since he had no heart for that; but he ordered his men to do the job. It’s because of this background that he has which led people to suspect him to be the mastermind.
But implicating Ping would also link Erap. If the two were innocent of the murder, then we could point to another guy who operates silently and effectively. He’s no other than the traitor of the century, former Pres. Fidel Ramos. FVR’s hit man was and still is Gen. Almonte. When can go on and on not knowing the truth. The only way we would know is to allow Ping to come out unconditionally under the custody of the Senate; then conduct another investigation. If there’s no closure, why be bothered since even Ninoy’s, JFK’s murders have no closure yet.
Para kay Lacson, it seems it is just a matter of a game we used to play..hide and seek…eat bulaga! Pasko na naman wala pa ring pagbabago ang justice sa atin…it seems that Sec. de Lima is in a dilemma! ang buhay nga naman…madilim pa ang justice…
Masyadong mainit ang labanan dito ah.
Kailangan natin ng kaunting comic relief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr6EB6VxD4Y&feature=player_embedded#!
Bakit takot na takot si Lacson na harapin ang hukuman?
Si Erap at Jinggoy ay hinarap nila ang mga akusar sa kanila. Hindi sila natakot dahil puro kasinungalingan ang mga akusa sa kanila. Nasa lugar sila ng katotohanan.
Lacson is the most coward man alive in the Coup d’etat Republic of Noynoy.
This is bullshit!
Mauuna pa bang mapakulong at magdusa ang totoong nagtatanggol sa bayan kesa sa mga lumapastangan?
Ayon sa balita si erap at fvr ang may issue nuon with dacer meeting fvr in a hotel with damaging info against erap..moving forward erap was pardoned by pandak na supportado ni fvr kaya di succesfull ang hyatt 10 nuon. also erap met with the pidals during election for what?? confirming a deal? many knows the philippine judicial system is politicise tool..many knows affidavits from many witnesses was revised numerous times..i don’t see any benefit for lacson to hurt dacer..mukhang ginagantihan lang si lacson ng mga pidal for telling the truth about corruption ng mga pidals gamit ang kaso ng pagkamatay ni dacer at corbito..is this the justice we want?? count me out!
Section 17 of Rule 119 states thta:
Sec. 17. Discharge of accused to be state witness. – When two or more persons are jointly charged with the commission of any offense, upon motion of the prosecution before resting its case, the court may direct one or more of the accused to be discharged with their consent so that they may be witnesses for the state when, after requiring the prosecution to present evidence and the sworn statement of each proposed state witness at a hearing in support of the discharge, the court is satisfied that:
(a) There is absolute necessity for the testimony of the accused whose discharge is requested;
(b) There is no other direct evidence available for the proper prosecution of the offense committed, except the testimony of said accused;
(c) The testimony of said accused can be substantially corroborated in its material points;
(d) Said accused does not appear to be the most guilty; and
(e) Said accused has not at any time been convicted of any offense involving moral turpitude.
The prosecution had already rested; but this discharge was still pursued, not for Mancao to testify against his co-accused (Ping was not yet one of the accused), but to enable the government to (accuse) charge Ping.
Sa basketball, yan ang tinatawag na forcing through.
The testimony cannot be corroborated in its material points, because Oxymoso refused, and Michael Ray Aquino testified that Ping did not make any order. This the Court knew, but it still discharged Mancao, and admitted his testimony.
The testimony of Dilloy and the rest has to do with the alleged abduction and killing. But there is one sole testimony relating to Ping’s being the mastermind, that being Mancao’s affidavit. So without corroboration, Mancao’s testimony does not qualify him as state witness.
I have long posted about the lack of physical evidence, so I will not repeat it here.
Bakit kay Lacson…nakafocus ngayon ang DOJ o PeNOY wannabees…dapat si gloria and her cohorts ang dapat habulin at litisin coz’ malaki ang atraso nila sa sambayanang Pilipino?
Well, about Lacson…may rason siya to hide and seek kasi nga po, bulok ang sistemang umiiral sa hustisyang umiiral sa ating bansa.
Ifs competent at walang dungis ang mga nakapwesto ngayon sa DOJ/Korte Suprema/Ombudsama sure ok ang laban ni Lacson…kasi takot siya magpakalaboso kasi nga baka gawin sa kanya yong ginawa ng Pidalista regime kay Pres. Erap and co.
After all, nagawa nilang ipahiya yong pobre sa buong mundo at biglang kabig…hirit sila ng pagbibigay ng amnestiya, ibig sabihin nito eh niluluto nila yong mga political enemies nila?
Di tangi si Lacson…wais yan hehehe! Ano sila sinuswerte…
Gloria and Mike Arroyo must be laughing. De Lima is doing the job for them.
De Lima is giving priority to the arrest of Lacson.What has he done that was detrimental to the country? Nothing. Meanwhile, the Arroyos who perverted the law to pin down innocent people just to cover their tracks are free and having a great time.
Bakit kay Lacson…nakafocus ngayon ang DOJ o PeNOY wannabees…dapat si gloria and her cohorts ang dapat habulin at litisin coz’ malaki ang atraso nila sa sambayanang Pilipino?
Good question, Balweg.
Balweg @ 76…that question was addressed by President Aquino with his Truth Commission…whether it will bear some results or not and chances are Not, at least he appears to have done something…but again this case of murder is a very serious crime…perhaps in my book the most serious crime of all…it is the only crime in our book punishable by life terms (it was hanging before 1975)and Senator Lacson knew the seriousness of the accusation and the current government vows for Change…and he maybe set to be an Example that it is very Serious for that Righteous Path (Da-an Matuwid)
Bakit puro Dacer? Has anybody talked to the Corbitos?
Baka naman nakauwi na si Alex, dahil luto na ang kaso.
Why not talk to the Corbitos? Because he’s just the driver. But you got a point. Why not talk to his family? Let’s remember that there’s no final conclusion that the burned bodies of the two victims were those of Dacer and Corbito.
I personally believe in the innocence of Lacson. But he must make good his promise to appear under the new administration. He chose to hide because of his distrust with the Arroyo government. Now that it’s Noynoy whom he supported, why still hide?
RE: Balweg @ 76…that question was addressed by President Aquino with his Truth Commission…whether it will bear some results or not and chances are Not, at least he appears to have done something…but again this case of murder is a very serious crime… ~Vic
Naku ha…buti nabanggit mo ang Tooth Commission ni Davide? Obvious di ba, remember mo pa ba ang ginawa ng rubberstamp Ombudsa ng Pidalista regime kay Pres. Erap?
Ngayon…kung may balls si PeNOY e bakit walang nangyayari sa Tooth commission…isang katerba ang atraso ng Pidalista regime sa Sambayanang Pilipino at isama na natin si Davide kasi accountable yan sa 9-years na paghihirap nating lahat.
Dapat…kung legallity ang pag-uusapan, ang may jurisdiction upang habulin ang mga sinungaling at kawatan e ang Ombudsman…bakit nagcreate pa si PeNOY ng Tooth Commission e wala naman itong basbas ng Kongreso/Senado?
Ibig sabihin delaying tactics ito…at bakit itong kay Lacson ang ginagawa nilang big issue ngayon…dapat magfocus muna sila sa pagpapalaya kina Sen. Trillanes and co. at isama na rin ang Morong 43 di ba.
Ano gusto nilang palabasin ha ne…ibartolina si Lacson, well kung yan ang gusto nila e ano ginagawa ng intel ng kapulisan/militar…nasa pansitan?
The testimony of Dilloy and the rest has to do with the alleged abduction and killing. But there is one sole testimony relating to Ping’s being the mastermind, that being Mancao’s affidavit. So without corroboration, Mancao’s testimony does not qualify him as state witness.- atty sax
This one I really want to read/hear from you.
For crooked judges and prosecutors, it’s an old trick to make sure money on the side or get back on their enemies: arrest warrants for a non-bailable offense based on flimsiest of reasons. Eh ano kung flimsy, it is not for you to say idiot, you go to the proper forum. Basta meantime, I like you to go to jail…(but we can talk about it, hihihi!)
You learn after sometime in the profession that conscience can be a heavy burden and obstacle to higher goals. There’s a catch-all that will always be useful: due process, due process as they and their own kind define it, of course. And you can bet there would be no shortage of people cheering on the side too “yeah, due process, respect due process” but would they bother themselves with the part of whether flimsy basis would be part of the so-called fucking due process: ahh that’s not my business, it’s the court’s. You can’t win. You can only wish them: may the gods cause the same fate to befall on you or any of your loved ones and hahaha then we will gladly assemble a chorus singing “due process, my friend, due process…”
Take the case of Vizconde massacre, the Webbs are still insisting that Hubert was innocent. In this country, we seldom or never see a suspect admitting his crime especially the prominent and wealthy accused who can hire good lawyers and buy their freedom.
Hubert Webb, despite the son of then popular basketball star and Senator, could have gotten away if not because of strong evidences and media. He and his gang reminds me of that famous Maggie de la Riva rape case. Thanks to media the bad guys were convicted and jailed.
I used the above example to drive a point. If Lacson is indeed innocent and if he sincerely believes he is, come out in the open and defend himself. Noynoy is on his side. The media, at least some, is on his side. His colleagues in the Senate are on his side. Why keep hiding?
Someone mentioned Erap and Jinggoy allowing the justice to take its course despite believing they were innocent. Why can’t Lacson? Murder is no worse than plunder.
RE: Now that it’s Noynoy whom he supported, why still hide?~Marz
Nice question Igan?
Alam mo di ako mapalagay kasi nga ganito yan…ha ne!
Ang mga mahistrado sa Korte Suprema e mga tuta yan ng Pidalista regime, mayroon pa silang Merciditaz ng Ombudsama + De Cinco ng DOJ…yaks, e lutong-macao ang laban di ba?
Dapat lang na maging wais si Sen. Lacson…he is not born today hehehe, ano sila sinuswerte…di ba nangyari na yong gusto ng Pidalista regime na disarmahan siya when he was a PNP chief under Erap watch.
Maginoo siyang nagbitiw ng tungkulin bilang PNP chief sa kabila ng ginawa sa kanilang paghuhudas…e lahatin na natin ang Pidalista mafiosi.
Bakit di lawakan ang imbistigasyon kasi baka cover-up ito ng Pidalista regime upang ibintang sa kampo ng Pangulong Erap kasi nga di ba sila ang may maitim na plano?
Madivert ang attention sa gobyernong Estrada upang dito isisi ang paglikida kina Dacer?
Take the case of Vizconde massacre, the Webbs are still insisting that Hubert was innocent. In this country, we seldom or never see a suspect admitting his crime especially the prominent and wealthy accused who can hire good lawyers and buy their freedom.
Hubert Webb, despite the son of then popular basketball star and Senator, could have gotten away if not because of strong evidences and media. He and his gang reminds me of that famous Margie de la Riva rape case. Thanks to media the bad guys were convicted and jailed.
I used the above example to drive a point. If Lacson is indeed innocent and if he sincerely believes he is, come out in the open and defend himself. Noynoy is on his side. The media, at least some, is on his side. His colleagues in the Senate are on his side. Why keep hiding?
Someone mentioned Erap and Jinggoy allowing the justice to take its course despite believing they were innocent. Why can’t Lacson? Murder is no worse than plunder.
RE: hahaha then we will gladly assemble a chorus singing “due process, my friend, due process…” ~ricelander
Bwahaha…buti natumbok mo ang tamang nota, “Due Process”.
About due…e talagang swak ito…due na sa isang katerbang kaliwa’t kanang bayaring buwis; due na upang palayain sina Sen. Trillanes and co.; due na upang palayain ang Morong 43; due na upang sintensyahan ng habang-buhay ang Ampatuwad and due na rin upang ikulong si Gloria and her cohorts at iba pa.
About process naman…ang bilis nilang umaksyon ifs kalaban sa pulitika; pakawalan si Abiong; arestuhin si Pangulong Erpa ng isang batalyong Pulis-Patola na akala mo magsisiatake sa giyera; ano na nangyari kay Burgos-biktima ng extrajudicial killings; Glorietta bombings at huling basa e nawawala daw yong wistleblower etc. etc.
Kaya po, itong due process e magandang basahin sa titik lamang pero walang substance kasi nga po…obvious talata, walang kwenta ang umiiral at pagpapatupad ng batas sa ating bansa.
Di ko naman nilalahat, but ang realidad e kayo na ang makakasagot niyan…coz’ ang aking sapantaha e batay sa mga nabasa at narinig ko sa lahat ng reference materials at sa inyong kumento at pagpapaliwanag.
Nagtataka lang ako kung bakit itong mga dating tirador nitong si Lacson na sina Dumlao at Dacer may alam sa krimen ….. bakit itong si Lacson wala??????????
Kung may alam siya …. bakit hindi siya magsalita …. o baka talaga namang napag-utusan siya … gaya nga ng sabi ni Igang Balweg na baka cover-up ng ibang grupo gaya nila Pidal at lalo na si Ramos na talaga namang simula’t sapul ayaw kay Erap.
Ano man ang mangyari sa taong ito …. wa ako paki yon ang ginusto niya … lol
“Hubert Webb, despite the son of then popular basketball star and Senator, could have gotten away if not because of strong evidences and media” … marz
Nakana mo Igan …. kung nagkataong pinawalang sala itong si Webb …. hindi lang si Mr. Vizconde ang naloko .. pati na madlang pipol naloko.
Hazel Valdez traveled to Florida to prepare Mancao’s affidavit. Akusado pa si Mancao noon. She spoke to him without the presence of counsel.
Ethically, bawal kausapin ang kabilang panig kapag hindi kaharap ang abogado niya. Dito sa Tate, prosecutorial misonduct yan. Ganyan ka-ethical ang DOJ natin.
Alain Cayetano likes to boast that he’s 5’2″ — yeah! He stands five feet short with a less than 2-inch dick (no balls to boot!)——>AnnaDeBrux – December 3, 2010 8:29 am
(Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!)
Anna, is this the normal size or already the aroused state ?
kakapanood ko ulit ng balita, sabi pinag tibay ng CA ang arrest warrant ky Ping Lacson! hahahahah..
OO nga, malaki talaga ang tanong kung bakit si Sec. De Lima ay naka focus ngayon ky Ping Lacson…. Pero kung titingnan naman natin ng maigi, Bakit si Sec. de Lima ay laging nakikipagkita sa mga kamag-anak ng mga biktima sa Ampatuan massacre?
So, si ping lacson lamang ba ang may lamang sa attention? tuwing press con naman kasi,yan ang laging tinatanong… sabi ng ibang mga reporter”update po ma’am about the whereabouts of Ping Lacson”,eh syempre ayan lagi sa dyaryo….
Can’t blame Sen. Lacson for hiding since our just-tiis system. His case is a non-bailable offense and our courts are usually very slooooooowwww……. by the time of the final verdict, baka meron ng apo sa tuhod si Sen. Lacson.
Case in point: Hubert Webb after 15 long years in jail is still waiting for the final judgement of the SC. What if he was found to be innocent of the crime by the SC? Maibabalik pa ba ang 15 years na nawala sa kanya? Something must be done to our justice system, sobrang bagal at sobrang bulok.
I think de Lima is just trying to project herself to be impartial. Para walang masabing may kinakampihan siya. If she gives in to Lacson’s request for a reinvestigation, she would be perceived to be a weakling or favoring Lacson be detractors and some media groups.
# 94
Si Biong, natapos na ang sentensya, wala pang resulta sa appeal.
Dilemma ang Supreme Court ngayon. Kung hindi maglalabas ng decision, sasabihin mabagal. Kung maglabas naman, sasabihing, bakit pa, e moot na?
@marz, #87
The best “evidence” that the prosecutors has was Jessica Alfaro, the self confessed addict. 😛 Just wondering why the courts didn’t give weight to the US immigration and FBI report attesting to that Webb was indeed in the US when the crime happened. It was even signed by former US Sec. of State Madeleine Albright. Hmmm…????
SNV, that’s why I envy the justice system of other countries like HK. Di pinapatagal ang kaso, may verdict kaagad. Dito kasi, maraming transaction nangyayari. Kung minadali ang kaso, maliit o baka walang kikitain ng mga
” ****** “.
😛
Si Biong, natapos na ang sentensya, wala pang resulta sa appeal. Dilemma ang Supreme Court ngayon. Kung hindi maglalabas ng decision, sasabihin mabagal. Kung maglabas naman, sasabihing, bakit pa, e moot na? – sax
It only shows that they are not doing their jobs. They don’t care about the timely dispensation of justice to the many people who subject themselves to our courts of law. Ito yung sinumpaan nilang gagawin nila bilang mga hukom tapos politicise pa. Kung ganito ang kalakaran bakit pa??? I can honestly say alang due process dito sa atin.
RE: Dilemma ang Supreme Court ngayon.~sax
Hehehe…matagal na Atorni Sax!
Di ba nalatahala noon about Hoodlums-in-uniform…e sila ang tisod sa pantay na paggawad ng hustisya sa ating bansa?
Juice mio…isang damakmak ang unresolved cases sa Pinas e till now e kwento na lang…like sa kaso ni Ninoy, Nida Blanca, biktima ng extrajudicial killings, Jonas Burgos, Visconde massacre, Dacer-Corbito, Ampatuan sensationalize massacre, and many more.
But, nang arestuhin nila si Pres. Erap at litisin sa kangaroo rubberstamp court ng Pidalista regime…live pa sa TV at pinagpipiestahan ng lahat ng newstand around the world?
Pero itong mga nabanggit na personalidad mukhang academic na lang ang kapupuntahan…unresolve cases close-open, kung baga sa isa sa cybercrime e phishing style upang mapag-usapan…para mabaling ang focus ng taong bayan sa real issues na dapat e pagtuunan ng pansin ng gobyerno.
Kita nýo, yong kaso ng Pidalista regime…ano na ba ang nangari sa Tooth Commission…mukhang matatapos ang termino ni PeNOY e wala man lang itong maipakulong eh.
Hustisya? Sa Pilipinas? Lalo na sa poder ng mga alagad ni Putot? Ano kayo hibang?
#100 Balweg
“Kita nýo, yong kaso ng Pidalista regime…ano na ba ang nangari sa Tooth Commission…mukhang matatapos ang termino ni PeNOY e wala man lang itong maipakulong”
mangyayari din iyan balweg sa mga PIDAL, si Ping Lacson nga eh mula kuratong baleleng nung 1995 at Dacer-Corbito nung 2000, eh ngayon 2010 lang may arrest warrant…hehehhehe.
Kung si Erap ipinakulong dahil sa lagay sa jueteng na hindi naman nagalaw at buo pa yung P200M sa foundation samantala yung nagpakulong, kinumare pa yung totoong jueteng lord. Aba, e di financier siya ng Hello Garci at sisiw yung P200M na ikinaso kay Erap, bilyunan yata yon.
Yung star witness kina Erap (masahol pa ito kay Jessica Alfaro) umaming jueteng operator, pero di umaaming mamamatay-tao, mandarambong, at kurakot, nakulong ba? Meron daw ebidensiyang listahan, puta, kahit sinong bugok na marunong mag-Excel makakagawa ng “ebidensiya” nya. Nakaligtas ba si Erap?
Ito namang isang bopol, umamin naman para ma-amnesty e di jueteng lord na nga tuloy siya.
Wag na kayong mag-pantasya na meron ngang hustisya sa Pinas. Yung presidente na nga, walang nagawa nung baluktutin yung batas laban sa kanya, aba e ang nagpasumpa pa nga sa pumalit e yung pinakamataas sa judiciary, ito pa kayang si Lacson na isang Senador lang?
Si Freddie Webb, diba isa ring Senador lang? Ayun 15 years nang nakakulong ang anak.
Si Jalosjos, malibog at mahilig sa menor de edad, e di habambuhay ang sentensiya, ayun, napalaya ni Putot. Si Tehankee, para lang pumatay ng mga asong nag-iingay, tepok si Maureen Hultmann at kaibigan, pinalaya na rin ni Putot.
Ang Supreme Court, bukod sa ang CJ ay dating malapit kay Putot, lahat ng Asso-Justice, maliban dun sa bagong appoint ni Noynoy, lahat appointed ni Putot. Ganun na rin siguro sa CA. Wala namang nagbago, maliban kay De Lima.
E anong pinagkaiba ng hustisya ngayon sa hustisya nung panahon ni Pandak?
Aber?
Merong nag-text:
Tignan nyo yang Lacson na yan, sabi nila noon wala namang nakuhang bangkay nila Dacer kaya di siya dapat kasuhan. Ngayong may kaso na siya, lalabas lang daw siya pag bangkay na siya. Sino’ng iniinsulto niya?
Sender: Bubby Dacer
Teka maiba ako, meron ng kasong naka-file sa DOJ at Ombudsman sa mag-asawang Arroyo ang Bayan Muna. Ano’ng ipinagmamadali ni De Lima kay Lacson?
Tangina, ano na’ng ginagawa niya sa kaso ni Gloria? Hihintayin din niyang umabot ng 15 years gaya ng apila ni Biong?
Meron uling nagtext:
“Doon sa nagtext nung comment #104, tama ka diyan, bro. Gaya-gaya si Lacson. Nagtatago rin siya gaya ni Dacer.”
Sender: Alex Corbito
now if Lacson insists that he is an innocent man, and the lesser individuals get convicted for the crime of two counts of murder what could be their motives? now,the police has to go back from the very beginning.
Tongue, baka mumu na yung nagte-text sayo. 😛
Kaya walang nangyayari sa Pinas, lugmok sa utang, tumataas ang insidente ng krimen, maraming lumalayas sa Pinas para kumita sa ibang bansa, atbp… lahat yan ay dahil sa bulok na sistema lalo na ang hudikatura. Umpisahan lang linisin ang hanay ng mga huwes, tiyak aayus ang buhay natin dito sa Pinas.
Ang pagasa ng lahat ng mga mamamayan, mayaman man o mahirap, presidente man o magbabalut. Kung pantay lang sana ang tingin ng hustisya sa atin, malayo ang mararating, uunlad sana ang bayan. Hayysss!!!
Maraming mga bansa ang pwedeng tularan ang ating bansa kagaya ng Singapore. Sing-liit ng kulangot kung titignan natin sa mapa, ngunit napakaunlad na bayan. Di pwedeng gaguhin ang kanilang batas, kundi bitay ang katapat. May takot ang tao sa batas, dahil pantay itong ipinapatupad.
Magkalat ka lang ng isang pirasong papel sa lansangan, di ka man mahuli ng pulis, siguradong sisitahin ka ng taong makakasalubong mo.
RE: Kung pantay lang sana ang tingin ng hustisya sa atin, malayo ang mararating, uunlad sana ang bayan. Hayysss!!!~Mike
Korek…ugali-asal ang karamihan sa mga lingkod-bulsa kaya ginagawang negosyo ang gobyerno dahil sa may budget ito galing sa isang katerbang buwis na pinapasan ngayon ng sambayanang Pilipino?
May pruweba…ginawa nang propesyon ng maraming Pinoy ang paglilingkod-bulsa, kasi po nandito ang bilyones na pwede nilang kulimbatin…kita nýo karamihan sa kanila e mga milyonaryo na.
Kasama diyan ang weteng lord, narco-politics, at kawatan sa lahat ng sangay ng gobyerno at mga kurap na pulitiko.
Paano titino at uunlad ang Pinas e isang damakmak ang peste sa ating lipunan.
Akala nila forever ang yamang-nakaw na ito…sa oras na magpantay ang kanilang paa…singkong-duling man e wala silang madadala 10ft below the ground.
Tama ka diyan Mike, mababawasan lang, kundi man matitigil, ang krimen kung may katiyakan ng kaparusahan sa totoong nagkasala. Diyan din nag-uugat ang pag-unlad, tama ka rin uli diyan, dahil kung kukuwentahin natin ang nalulustay sa kurapsyon (ayon sa WB at ADB ay nasa 1/3 ng ginagastos ng gobyerno) kada ikatlong taon ay hindi na kailangang mangutang ng Pinas. Kung hindi pa naman tayo yumaman niyan e.
Balik tayo sa krimen, sino ba’ng nagpatigil ng kotong sa kapulisan na ikinatuwa hindi lang ng mga driver kundi pati yung mga nabikitima ng hulidap? Noong panahong yon, iginalang muli ang mga pulis.
RE: Tangina, ano na’ng ginagawa niya sa kaso ni Gloria? Hihintayin din niyang umabot ng 15 years gaya ng apila ni Biong?~Tongue
Naku galit na ang Igan natin…sige lagot kayo!
Tumpak, dapat kung sino ang naglilitis ng kasong ito (Prosickutor) ang siyang mananagot sa batas…coz’sino ang aako sa 15years na pagkakulong ng pobre kung not guilty?
Dapat magkaroon ng danyos-perwisyo.
RE: Balik tayo sa krimen, sino ba’ng nagpatigil ng kotong sa kapulisan na ikinatuwa hindi lang ng mga driver kundi pati yung mga nabikitima ng hulidap? Noong panahong yon, iginalang muli ang mga pulis.~Tongue
Buti nahalukay mo ulit ang isyung yan in support sa topic natin ngayon?
Sa panahon lang ng Pangulong Erap nangyari ito…unti-unti muling nagbabalik ang tiwala ng sambayanang Pilipino sa PNP thru the leadership of Gen. Lacson.
Di ba naipakulong niya si Berroya…ang siste nito e gumanti naman after na mapatalsik si Pres. Erap kasi naging tuta pala yan ni Gloria.
Alam mo sa totoo lang, kaya nila kinuyog ang gobernong Estrada upang makontrol nila ang gobyerno para kung ano ang gusto nilang mangyari e yan ang masunod.
Bakit ka mo, kasi ganito yan…may nahuli na bang drug lords, weteng lords suspek lang pero di naman nila naipakulong, magnanakaw ng bilyones sa gobyerno kita nating lahat hayon sila pa yaong bida…etc. etc.
Sino’ng mistulang nag-Don Quijote at mag-isang hinarap ang lupit at panalong nakipag-sabayan sa mga alagad nina Putot at ni Botcho samantalang yung iba’y bahag ang buntot pero umaasang hindi magsasawa si Lacsong makipaglaban noon? Mga paninira nina Rosebud, Corpus, Blanquita Paez, Ronnie Puno, Bunye, Tiglao, Mike Defensor, Berroya, na nauwing lahat sa kengkoy.
@balweg #110
10ft below the ground? Ang lallim naman niyan, baka magreklamo na ang mga uod (earthworms) niyan. 😛
Sino’ng gago pa ang magmamalasakit sa Pilipinas kung pagkatapos mong itaya ang lahat, ang premyo mo lang pala e hihimas ka ng malamig na rehas.
Konting isip naman diyan! Letse talaga, tumaya naman kayo ng mga bayag ninyo. Nag-iisa nang lumalaban gigipitin pa ninyo.
Tano’ng ko uli, bakit kailangang patahimikin si Lacson, may balak ba silang mag-Gloria?
Sino’ng gago pa ang magmamalasakit sa Pilipinas kung pagkatapos mong itaya ang lahat, ang premyo mo lang pala e hihimas ka ng malamig na rehas.
Konting isip naman diyan! Letse talaga, tumaya naman kayo ng mga bayag ninyo. Nag-iisa nang lumalaban gigipitin pa ninyo.
Tano’ng ko uli, bakit kailangang patahimikin si Lacson, may balak ba silang mag-Gloria?
Ayan na mga aswang! Dala-dalawa sila!
Ang may paninindigan sa sariling paniniwala at katotohanan ay maraming kaaway. Ganyan ang pagkatao ni Ping kaya maraming takot sa kanya. Maraming naiingit at maraming nagtatanka ng masama. At dahil mahirap gayahin ang kanyang halimbawa, maraming alimango ang naghahanap ng paraan upang siya ay mapahamak at kutyain sapagkat sa ganitong paraan lamang sila magmumukhang panalo.
Lagi naman lumalabas ang katotohanan. Ang kaso lang ay kung kailan at kung sino ang makikinabang.
Buti nahalukay mo ulit ang isyung yan… – Balweg
Alam mo naman ako, merong putagraphic memory di gaya ng iba diyan, mala-goldfish ang memory span.
Kalog-utak, pang-gising:
May, 2001. Nagdeklara si Gloria ng “State of Rebellion” na tinawag ni Miriam Santiago na “Legal Superfluity” nung lusubin ng maka-Erap na masa ang Malakanyang matapos ang pitong araw na protestang pinamunuan ng Iglesia ni Kristo.
“Wanted” sina Enrile, Miriam, Gringo, Maceda, Sotto, Lacson at mga leader ng mga pro-Erap groups. Ang Rebelyon ay may parusang habambuhay ng pagkabilanggo.
Tanong: Nagpahuli o sumuko ba si Ping?
Buti nahalukay mo ulit ang isyung yan… – Balweg
Alam mo naman ako, merong putagraphic memory di gaya ng iba diyan, mala-goldfish ang memory span.
Kalog-utak, pang-gising:
May, 2001. Nagdeklara si Gloria ng “State of Rebellion” na tinawag ni Miriam Santiago na “Legal Superfluity” nung lusubin ng maka-Erap na masa ang Malakanyang matapos ang pitong araw na protestang pinamunuan ng Iglesia ni Kristo.
“Wanted” sina Enrile, Miriam, Gringo, Maceda, Sotto, Lacson at mga leader ng mga pro-Erap groups. Ang Rebelyon ay may parusang habambuhay ng pagkabilanggo.
Tanong: Nagpahuli o sumuko ba si Ping?
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Folks, sige itaya ko nang lahat itong nabasa kong isyu about Dacer-Corbito unresolve crime.
Who did Dacer-Corbito: Lacson, Estrada or Ramos!
http://socyberty.com/crime/who-did-dacer-and-corbito-lacson-estrada-or-ramos/
Ilan na ang naimbistigahan ng Senado. May nakulong ba. Naka dalawang EDSA na, may nag bago ba. Tama ang sinabi ng isang taga Daily City, California. Na ang kailangan sa Pilipinas para tumino ay isang madugong rebulution at ibitin ang mga tiwaling pulitiko. Wala ng gumagalang sa batas. Magmula sa mataas na pangulo hanggang sa maliit na kuliglig driver ay ayaw sumunod sa batas. Walang nang pag-asa ang Pilipinas.
Iisa lang naman ang kinalalabasan nito eh. WALANG tiwala si Ping sa bagong Gobyerno natin at wala rin siyang bayag na harapin ang kaso. Hindi siya katulad ng mga sundalong nakakulong at hinaharap ang kanilang kaso. Di rin siya sigurado kay PNOY eh. Nanalong presidente dahil kay CORY (sa AWA or sa Symphaty vote). Kung buhay si Cory ay ano ang kinalalagyan ni Pnoy ngayon.
Wala siyang tiwala dahil karamihan naka upo ay alagad ni Golira pa rin lalo na sa mga Judges na sipsip.
#97
Thanks Mike for your comment. Alfaro might be an addict but she could also be a good witness. She was there when it happened. It’s like saying a criminal cannot be a witness because he’s a criminal. If we follow this line, then all the witnesses who participated in that heinous crime of the Ampatuan massacre should be ignored.
Given the position of Freddie Webb at that time, the influence and connection he had, it was not difficult to fix the immigration records. Passport, video, record could be altered. As for the US immigration certification, the concerned signatories were asked to testify to confirm it but they refused. How certain were the prosecutors and the victims that the certificate was legitimate.
Hubert was a drug addict. He was with a group of kids from similar prominent families. Only persons under the influence of drugs could have committed such crime. Hubert was a suitor and was turned down by one of the victims. Ego hurt plus drugs equal rape and murder. The older Freddie Webb was a busy basketball star and lawmaker. He left his children under the care of his wife who could have spoiled the young Webb. By the way, Hubert is now even a member of Sputnik gang inside the cell.
Like many others, I’m not here to judge the case. I based my opinion on Hubert’s background and the circumstances that led to the massacre.
Noynoy prioritize things just one at a time. He can’t afford to take more than his normal capacity or else he will be “overloaded” and hell will break lose.
According to him Lacson is not a priority; Gloria seems to be out of his radar; peace and order is neither.
My guess, his present hobby and priority: Hunting chicks.
#91
Sax, nag-umpisang ipitin si Lacson noon panahon ni Gloria at si Raul Gonzalez ang DOJ Sec. Marami talagang basurang iniwan ni Gloria na ang sumasalo ang bagong administration ni Noynoy. Di natin masisi si De Lima kung mag-action siya dahil siya ang DOJ Sec ngayon. Ganyan din si NBI Director Gadtula na sinalo lang ang trabaho na iniwan ng dating NBI Director. In other words, trabaho lang iyan. Dapat natin habulin itong si Gloria at sampu ng kanyang mga tauhan na naghasik ng lagim sa loob ng halos na sampung taon.
#98
You envy the justice system of HK. Well, let’s see what’s going to happen with Ronald Singson’s drug case. Balitang ginagapang ang kaso. HK is the heaven of Triad. Those who helped Singson with his bail were shady characters disguised as legitimate businessmen. If we say HK Police and Courts are not corrupt would be inaccurate.
# 103
Mautak din naman itong si Gloria. Bago lumayas ay sinigurado niyang lahat ay mga tauhan niya ang maiwan. Mula PNP, AFP, SC at ibang government agencies ay nandoon pa ang mga bata niya. Pati nga mga Obispo na tumanggap ng envelope nandiyan pa. Etong mga Obispo ay gutom ngayon kay Noynoy dahil walang envelope. This Christmas, tatanggap lang sila ng Christmas cards na walang laman na pera sa loob. Kaya nga maingay na naman ngayon. Pati RH Bill na pabor si Noynoy pinakikialaman.
This is not about whether Lacson is guilty or not. What makes us instant justices? Let the law run its course. If you think the justice system is crappy, why not demand changes in the laws and make procedural amendments. Fix it or if you don’t like fixing, demolish and build a new system. You complain about Gloria breaking the rules but you yourselves are ok with breaking them. No wonder this country is the world’s cesspit.
Until we know the real mastermind of Ninoy’s assassination, it’s no use asking who killed Dacer and other victims. Ang nangyayari kasi natatakpan lang ang mga kasong ganyan. Pagkatapos ng isa, may bagong darating, paglampas, may isa na naman na walang katapusan. Buti na lang alam natin kung sinong pumatay kay Jose Rizal.
The president needs to focus on a lot of things. But what can he focus on? He has not convened a cabinet meeting in the last three months.
The president needs to focus on a lot of things. But what can he focus on? He has not convened a cabinet meeting in the last three months. Paano niya malalaman kung ano’ng problema ang kailangang tutukan?
Very interesting entries. The jousting of ADB and martinsampaga makes me feel that there’s till hope for RP. Well, being a new kid on the block, I would rather stay on the read mode for now.
Great blogsite Ms Ellen!
sec de lima is a hotbag……here is only one guy who says lacson did it, and two guys against,,, and thats it? kailangan na huliin in,,, thats justice in our country…and cnsidering talaga minadali un kaso,,,, i think there is still money changing hands out there…what happen to the truth commission?tameme na
#105. Tongue, iyan mismo ang nakakaduda. Bakit at nagmamadali si de Lima kay Lacson samantalang ayan ang tangnang mag-asawang baboy na prenteng-prente at namamayagpag pa! Kung nagtagtrabaho lang si de Lima, unahin nya o sabayin ang manhunt kay Lacson, kay putot at kay Pidal! Bakit atat na atat sya kay Ping kesa sa putang si Gloria?!
# 134
How did you know Pnoy has not convened his cabinet for 3 months? Are you part of his cabinet? In a way, it’s an open knowledge that Pnoy wakes up very late sometimes almost noon. How can he accomplish anything if his work starts at noon? He carried this habit from childhood. That’s why many call him “Mama’s Boy”. If Erap’s detractors criticized his Midnight Cabinet, we can call Pnoy’s as “Lunch or Noon Cabinet”.
NFA, there’s no doubt your President Gloria was a workaholic. But if she has spent and devoted her time fixing the country’s problems, we would have saluted her. But no…she spent her time taking care of her husband and family in enriching themselves. Scandals after scandals. Yet, Pnoy so far has not done anything yet to prosecute Gloria as promised. The Truth Commission headed by Davide has not started yet and we’re about to end this year. Is Davide consulting Gloria and working out some deals?
# 136
I have faith in De Lima. Give this woman some time. After all, she’s the poorest cabinet member and this tells us what kind of person she is. It’s not easy to clean up the mess left behind by Raul Gonzalez. His room which De Lima now occupies smells shit. Some corrupt DOJ officials are still very much around. This now brings me to the next question of what happened to those prosecutors accused of graft and corruption on that Alabang Boys case?
Hanapin muna nila si Dacer at Corbito bago nila hanapin si Lacson. Magkakasama yata iyung tatlong nagtatago ngayon.
Palagay ko si FVR at Almonte ang tumira kay Dacer at Corbito para ibintang kay Erap. Si FVR ang unang nag ingay na nawawala si Dacer wala pang isang oras na di daw sumipot ito sa meeting nila. Ibubunyag ni Dacer ang mga iskandalo ni FVR gaya ng PEA-Amari kaya may galit ang Tabako.
Di ko nga alam bakit kailangan pang magbintang ng iba ito si Lacson. Obvious na may kinalaman si Tabako.
parasabayan posted this in the other thread:
I can not blame Lacson for his actions, fearing to come out of hiding. For nine years, the midget filled the judiciary with her “appointees”, the SC not exempt. Lacson will not get a fair trial with all these hoodlums in the judiciary. Not even Pnoy can save him. I also can not blame de Lima for inheriting the Lacson case. Trabaho lang ang ginagawa niya. If de Lima takes off the arrest warrant, the camp of Corbito-Dacer will nail her. Walang itulak kabigin. Maybe it is best to hide for now until the truth unravels naturally or the witnesses die. Matagal tagal na proseso ito. Baka mauna pang mamatay si Lacson sa katatago. Mababangis talaga ang kamandag ni midget at ng baboy niyang asawa. Hindi nila talaga tatantanan si Lacon. Kung ako si Lacson, unti unti kong pasasabugin ang mga alam ko tungkol kay midget at ng kanyang asawang baboy.
Baka naman conspiracy and pag-kamatay nila Dacer at Corbito. Sino ba talaga ang may motibong papatay sa dalawang ito? Yun ang master mind. Granting Lacson ordered the killings, ito ay galing pa sa nakakataas.
And what kung si Dacer at Corbito ay parehong buhay na pakuyakuyakoy lang sa Bahamas. Di ba sabi nila yung mga butong nakuha sa crime scene eh buto daw ng baka?
# 140
Lacson and Erap were not in the best of relationship at that time. Either Lacson was bypassed by Erap into masterminding the crime or vice versa. It’s unlikely that the two conspired to commit the crime. The next most likely suspect would be FVR. But we can continue to speculate yet never reach the closure. Let’s not exclude Singson who himself masterminded many killings. Despite all the fingers pointing to this warlord of Ilocos Sur, has he been charged even once? His constituents are now even complaining they don’t see their Governor anymore. How can they see him if he’s always with Pacman?
# 139
Posible din na sina Dacer at Corbito ang nagtatago kay Lacson.
Marz, ano nga kaya ‘no kung tatlo na silang pakuyakuyakoy sa Bahamas? Heh,heh,heh.
Iyun na nga ang punto ko dito.Ayun sa batas kailangan may maipakita silang evidence na confirmed na patay na nga si Dacer at Corbito.something called “habeus corpus”.The absence of the key piece of evidence — the corpse — poses unique problems for both prosecutors and defense attorneys.Without a body, how can they corroborate what anyone says? Without a crime scene, how can they even begin to attempt to corroborate the version of events that the witness here is putting forth.
Hanapin muna nila si Dacer at Corbito… Iyan ang pagkakamali nila. Kaya si Lacson di lalabas iyan.
Di naman pweding kasuhan ang suspect na puro speculation lang.Ibabasura ng Judge iyan sa korte.
Kaya ng noong pinatay si Ninoy halos lahat ng Pinoy gustong makipaglibing para siguraduhin na si Ninoy nga iyun.
#146. Hahaha! Matutulog na lang napahalakhak pa ako, ‘kaw talaga, cocoy!
@ Chi, ano kaya ang argumentong ipresenta ni Tongue dito.Baka sabihin niyang “I rest my case.”Hahahaha!
# 146
May tama ka rin. Kaya nga walang takip si Ninoy suot ang duguang damit at nakabilat sa araw ng matagal na pinarada sa lansangan. Para ipakita sa tao na si Ninoy nga iyon at patay na.
@marz #129
HK justice system like any other in the world is not perfect but deffinitely way much better than ours. I doubt that pwede o kayang “gapangan” ang mga hukom sa HK para lang mapaboran si Ronald Singson.
@marz #126
“the concerned signatories were asked to testify to confirm it but they refused. How certain were the prosecutors and the victims that the certificate was legitimate.”
Of course they refused. You don’t expect a US gov’t official to do that. They’d be accused of meddling in a purely domestic problem of a foreign country. I think the US official documents submitted and certified by no less than the US Sec. of State would suffice. I don’t see any reason why the US officials would fake the report requested by the NBI.
Hubert an addict, spoiled, etc.. are mere speculations and was sensationalized by the media. He denied and never admitted of being an addict. While Alfaro, an NBI asset has admitted in public that she is a drug user. She also has a brother who was in jail that time on drug related charges and was freed after Alfaro testified against Hubert.
“By the way, Hubert is now even a member of Sputnik gang inside the cell.”
His joining a gang is not a choice but a matter of survival. You don’t expect him to be treated like a king by the goons just because he is a son of a senator, you need to be with a group/ gang to be treated with some “respect”. That’s how it is inside the bilibid prison.
Kaya nga mas maganda siguro kung baguhin na lang ang sistema ng Justice sa Atin. Jury System na lang.
May natangap na naman ako ng Summons for jury Service.Exciting na naman ito $15 na yata ang bayad per day ngayon kulang pang pambili ng gasolina.
#152–Ewan ko ba diyan kasi lahat ng nakukulong sasabihin nila wala silang kasalanan at na framed lang daw sila.
Mga iba may hawak ng Biblia.Mas maganda siguro kung sa Bilibid na lang mag recruit ang simbahan para gawing Padir.
Dito naman iba. Mas gusto pa nila sa loob kesa lumabas lalo na pag wala na silang trabaho sa labas. Kita mo nga naman kung nasa labas sila bayad sila ng renta, bibili sila ng pagkain nila at mga personal hygiene samantalang sa loob may 3 times meal sila a day.May sahod pa sila per day,kaya mga iba pag napardonan at nakalabas,hindi sila nakakapag adjust kaya ayun mangholdap na naman ng convenient store makikipaghabulan kunyari sa pulis at nakangiti pa kung poposasan na naman sila at ibalik sa loob.
“Dito naman iba. Mas gusto pa nila sa loob kesa lumabas lalo na pag wala na silang trabaho sa labas..” cocoy
Same here, madaming mga presong pinalaya dito na gagawa ulit ng krimen para lang maibalik sila sa preso.
“May natangap na naman ako ng Summons for jury Service.Exciting na naman ito $15 na yata ang bayad per day ngayon kulang pang pambili ng gasolina.” – cocoy
Just wondering, what if you earn more than the $15/ per day in your real job? Ok lang kung walang trabaho. And what if may mga importanteng gawain ka sa work mo, di ba pwedeng gaing dahilan na di ka pwede at next time nalang? 🙂
Hangki Doori ang Poultry Farm ni Ellen, daming mga non-organic chicken na nagpuputak; yun pala iisang inahin, hehe….no pun.
Coy, kailan magbubukas ang animal barn sa kabila?
Mike, Mahirap takasan ito kung mapili liban lang kung may maipakita kang med cert na you are mentally incompetent.Pweding ma contempt ng court.Madugo nga compare sa kikitain mo sa regular job, Mag file ng vacation leave siguro para tuloy ang sahod.Kaso since 2003 pa ay indefinite vacation na ako,lugi na sila sa akin dahil monthly pinapadalhan nila ako ng check.
Pareng tru blue, di ko na naasikaso iyung animal barn natin.Pag may time iparemodel natin uli at mag import tayo ng kangaroo from Australia…Di pa kasi mainit ang usapang pulitika sa ngayon.
hindi lingid sa ating kaalaman kung anong klaseng pulis si Gen. Lacson… ang kanyang walang takot na pagbuwag sa mga organisadong kriminal, ang pagpapatalsik sa serbisyo ng tiwalang kagawad ng pulisya, ang pagdidisiplina maging sa kapwa nya heneral…
nung sya ay naging senador, ang kanyang adbokasiya laban ng korapsyon… ang kanyang mga paglalantad ng mga kawalang hiyaan at pagnanakaw ng magasawang arroyo at ilang pulitiko… mahigit syam na taon nyang ginawa yun…
sa kanyag pinagdaanang laban… siguradong maraming gusto sya ay makulong… sa pamamagitang ng dacer-corbito case… hindi na importante kung may sala man o wala…
suko? kayo ba basta na lang susuko kung may alam ka pa o natitira pang paraan para lumaban o ipagtanggol ang iyong sarili. Dapat lang naman na gamitin muna hindi ba ang mg paraang ito pra maproteksyuan ang iyong sariling kaligtasan, lalong lalu na ang iniingatang dignidad.
bakit ba ang paghuli kay Sen. Lacson ang pinaprioridad ni Sec De Lima? Banta ba sya sa bansa o buhay ng mga mamamayan? Bakit hindi nya unang hulihin ang mahigit isang daan kriminal na nagmassacre sa 57 tao sa maguindanao na hanggang ngayon ay gumagala pa. Sila ang tunay na banta sa seguridad ng mga pamilya ng biktima at witness at nagbigay ng kahihiyan sa pilipinas.
kahit sinong nabubuhay na pulitiko sa pilipinas… hindi ko ipagpapalit ang paghanga ko kay Ping Lacson… kahit kay Sec De Lima o kay Pnoy man…
si Sec De Lima… bagamat maganda ang kanyang performance sa DOJ… hindi pa nya pinagdadaanan ang mga challenges na pinagdaanan ni Lacson… tignan natin kung ano ang gagawin o desisyon nya sa kapag sya naman ang ginigipit…
karamihan din sa kanyang desisyon ay naayon kung ano ang popular… at palagin babad sa media na para bang naghahanap ng atensyon… meron ba syang pinaghahandaan? hmmm… nakakaduda… sa pagbigay ng amnestiya sa magdalo, hindi hiningi ang kanyang opinyon… marahil alam siguro ni Pnoy na hindi sya payag sa pagpapalaya sa magdalo na kabilang si AT4…
si AT4 at Lacson ay parehas pwdeng tumakbo sa pagkasenador sa susunod na eleksyon… may kinalaman ba ito sa mga desisyon ni Sec De Lima?
Asintado ka perl. Kaya lang inagaw mo yung bala sa loob ng paltik ko.
Nung panahon ni Webb, ganyan din. Merong isang abugado na atat na atat sa senado. Mas madali siguro kung mababawasan ang mga kalaban. Kaya ayun, panay ang papel sa kaso ni Hubert Webb, laging nasa hearing wala namang kinalaman at pagdating nga ng eleksiyon, sibak si Freddie Webb na dati nang Senador pero panalo si Cayetano na sinigurong laging makikita sa TV at diyaryo dahil sa highly-publicized na hearing.
Mukhang nakakuha ng ideya si De Lima.
sen. lacson exposed not only gma and pidal but also c – 5 villar lest we all forget. just a reminder, de lima admitted after accepting her appointments that she is for villar.
the connection is clear, lacson is suffering because of his relentless campaign and crusade not only against the pidals but the villars who lost not only the election but billions of pesos.
also willing to place my bets with anyone, de lima will run for senator.
De Lima is doing fine, she exceeded my expectations. Why criticize her when it is not his boss’ priority to reinvestigate the Lacson case?
I just wish the sham that is the Truth Commission be scrapped and the whole task of the investigation into the Gloria corruption be handed to her.
Tounge,
may pinagmanahan pala yung batang cayetano… magaling sa publisidad at propagandista… akalain mo ba nman.. nakisawsaw sa protesta ng mga estudyante tungkol sa budget cut…
isa pa kay.. si De Lima kasama sa mga kinokonsedera ng Malacanan para maging bagong KOMOLEK chairman… nagpahayag si De lima na mas gusto nya ang kasalukuyang posisyon (nageenjoy maging berdugo)… pero tama nga naman… hindi kasi sya makakatakbo bilang senador kapag ginawa syang COMELEC chairperson…
kapag tumakbo siya pagkasenador.. gusto nya atang gawing dekorasyon as accomplishment ang pagpakulong nya kay Ping Lacson… WTF!
This is what I notice about some Noynoy fanatics. Their logic seems to be that if you point out Noynoy’s flaws, then you are in Gloria Arroyo’s camp and therefore a minion of Satan.
Anyone explain that?
P… SC yan.. nagsabi sila sa media na ready na sila ilabas ang desisyon nila sa kaso ni hubert webb… pagkatapos ng ilang linggong paghihintay.. sasabihin kailangan pa nila ng another 2 months… nabuhay tuloy ang batuhan ng argumento ng magkabilang panig na binibili naman ng media ng nagpapalibang sa taong bayan…P… ulit talga… diversionary tactics ito.. ilabas ninyo ang decision sa Truth Commission!!! sabihin nyo ng ilegal kung gusto nyo basta magdesisyon kayo agad… para makagawa agad ng bagong aksyon at makasuhan na yang P….si Gloria..
TonGuE-tWisTeD – December 4, 2010 1:07 am
Teka maiba ako, meron ng kasong naka-file sa DOJ at Ombudsman sa mag-asawang Arroyo ang Bayan Muna. Ano’ng ipinagmamadali ni De Lima kay Lacson?
talaga! matagal na din may iba akong kutob ko dyan kay de lima e… hmm…
I just wish the sham that is the Truth Commission be scrapped and the whole task of the investigation into the Gloria corruption be handed to her. – NFA
sa pagkakaintindi ko, kasama si De Lima sa mga gumawa ng Truth Commission…
Di ba sakop ni Davide ang pag-imbestiga kay Gloria?
@perl,
My understanding is that the Constitution rapist, Davide, is the head of the truth commission,
If they want to retain the Truth Commission, kick out Davide and move it under the jurisdiction of the Department of Justice, para may pangil ng batas naman ang mga reklamo natin laban kay Gloria.
hanga ko sa performance ni De Lima ngayon sa DOJ.. pero hindi nya ganong kabilis makukuha ang buong tiwala ko!
remember? si Gloria ang naglagay sa kanya bilang pinuno ng CHR… 9 na taon kong nasubaybayan ang kawalanghiyaan ni Gloria… 9 na taon din sa katapangan ni Lacson… kung hindi pa magkakaroon ng Maguindano massacre.. hindi ko pa makikila sya (De Lima) makikila…
@179, NFA,
tama si Davide nga ang head ng TC… pero isa si De Lima sa nagtatanggol nito… pagkakaintindi ko lang isa si De Lima sa nagbalangkas (not sure)
@perl,
Kung magduda ka man kay DeLima, bakit hindi mo pagdudahan ang nag-appoint sa kanya?
Sabi ni Gringo, kung itutuloy ni de Lima ang pagputong ng P2M sa ulo ni Ping ay mag-uunahan sa pagtuturo ang mga tao. Mauunahan ba nila ang mga pulis dyan? 🙂
Agree ako kay Honasan na kapag ito ay itinuloy, kulang na lang ay isigaw ang DEAD or ALIVE order kay Ping. Kagulo ito kung dead si Ping, gagawa sila ng another Ninoy kaya lang ay sa mga kamay ng anak mangyayari!
Sabi ni Kuya Nwoy, wala syang pakialam and Lacson is not his priority. Nalintikan na, Perl. Baka sa huli ay maisumpa mo si Noynoy. 🙂
Tago Ping, wala kang hustisyang makukuha kasi mukhang isinasakripisyo ka, ginagawang poster boy ni de Lima in the name of ‘justice’ daw, while your friend Noynoy pursues Ms. Lopez na best friend ni Luli Arroyo…anak ng putang Gloria!
I’m glad, really glad I did not vote for Noynoy, I went Jamby kasi meron syang balls! 🙂
simple… matagal ko ng pinagaralan pagkatao ni PNoy kaya malaki tiwala ko… but they are all still under observation! oks? 🙂
ang pagsama ng malacanan kay De Lima sa listahan ng ipapalit sa comelec chairmain ay maaring may kinalaman sa kaso ni Lacson… baka lang…
chi, tali ang kamay ni PNoy… hindi ko sya masisi sa ngayon… pero tangna… kapag may masamang nangyari kay Lacson ( “i rather die the surrender”)… putsa talga… mawawala tiwala ko sa kanya…
chi, naiirita nga ko sa bagong balita tungkol sa pagalembong ni Pnoy… kala mo kinikiliti singit sa pagkakangisi nung sinasagot yung interbyu tungkol dyan sa bagong chicks…
@perl,
Just saying your doubts about De Lima is baseless. Of course the other appointments further downgraded my view of Noynoy’s character.
Let’s see. What is De Lima’s importance in the Aquino administration? Nothing, as we can see from Aquino’s treatment of her report on the Mendoza massacre.
Hindi ba kayo nagtataka kung bakit parang walang direksyon si Noynoy? Here is the answer:
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We’ve been told that the full Aquino Cabinet hasn’t met in the past three months. That information comes from the head of a major department, who still cannot figure out why the President seems averse to the regular meetings that had been part of the weekly routine of practically all of his recent predecessors.
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http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideOpinion.htm?f=2010/december/3/jojorobles.isx&d=2010/december/3
perl, I’m giving all six years to PNoy to prove himself dahil sya na ang presidente. Pero talaga, kapag may nangyari kay Ping ay sori na lang sya. I still think PNoy will do something to lessen the pressure, pero dali-dalian nya dahil kapag napasubo sya ng tuluyan sa wa keber sya kay Ping ay tiyak na malaking dagok yan sa kanyang administrasyon.
Unless may undeniable forensic evidence to prove that Ping murdered Dacer and Corbito, my support to Lacson stays!
# 152
Mike, I don’t judge a person’s outside appearance pero sa hitsura na lang ni Hubert kahit noon mukhang addict. In one TV interview, one of his brothers admitted to the reporter that Hubert was a drug user but not an addict. Medyo pinaganda pa ng kaunti coming from his own brother. So there you go, inamin mismo ng kapatid na gumagamit ng droga si Hubert.
# 174
Are there Noynoy fanatics? I think you’re a Gloria fanatic then.
surrender first before justice is served – de lima
tratong rebelde… pano kung napatunayang walang kinalaman si Lacson? mababalik pa ba ang nasirang dignidad? hindi naman hinihiling na ipang walang sala sya… reinvestigation lang ang hiling para magkaroon ng patas na laban…
@marz
Are there Noynoy fanatics? I think you’re a Gloria fanatic then.
There are Noynoy fanatics and you are one of them.
@perl
By hiding, Lacson stripped himself of his own dignity.
“The [Manila] court itself has made its own determination of probable cause,” De Lima said.
“When a court issues a warrant, it has made its own determination of probable cause. If it is not convinced, it will not issue a warrant,” De Lima added.
yun nga ang kinekwestion ng kampo ni lacson… yung probable cause ng Manila court na dapat mong ireview… tapos dedepende din pala si De Lima sa decision ng korte…
ang na-determine ng manila court… probable CA promotion… kaya ayun promoted!
“Surrender first before justice is served”. Tapos deretso sa kulungan wala namang solid evidence na pinatay nya si Dacer at Corbito. Ano hilo? Justice served? Kung puti na ang uwak?
Unahin nila si Gloria at Mike Pidal, letse!
maling-mali talga tong panggigipit na ginagawa ng DOJ kay Lacson. Halos lahat ng kasong naka linyang imbestigahan ng truth commission ay si Ping Lacson ang nagexpose sa senado. bakit nagkaron ng ganyang expose si Lacson? dahil lumapit sa kanyang ang mga witness. nagtiwala sa kanya ang mga witness. Ngayon gusto nilang ikulong si Lacson dahil sa letseng lutong macao na fabricated stories… madami stin dito na naniniwalang inosente si Ping Lacson… maaring ganito ding ang paniniwala ng iba o lahat ng witness… kung ganon, pano pa magtitiwala at maglalakas ng loob ang mga witness na lumantad? putanginga… hindi magtatagumpay ang truth commission sa ganitong pangyayari… magisip-isip kayo.. De lima, gising…. PNoy do something, maari mong ikabagsak to!
kung ganyang din lang ang mangyayari, hindi ko panghihinayangan matanggal si De Lima sa DOJ…
Si Ping Lacson at ang aking pagasa…
Noong akoy nagkaisip at namulat sa klase ng lipunang ating ginagalawan…
ang pagtigil sa korapsyon at kriminalidad sa ating bayan ay isa na lamang panagip o pangarap na imposibleng makamtan..
sabi nga ng mga matatanda… ang pilipinas ay wala ng pagasa…
ngunit noong masaksihan ko ang pamamahala ni Sen Lacson sa kapulisan… at ng maging senador kung paano nya nilabanan ang katiwalian…ang panaginip na sinasabi ko ay maari din pa lang maganap sa ating inang bayan… doon nagsimula ang pagasa… ang pangarap na hinahangad… kung hindi man ngayon… sa hinaharap na may katulad din ni Lacson… ang mithiin ay magaganap…
ngunit sa pangyayaring ito… lubos ang aking pagaalala…
ang taong nagbigay sa akin ng pagasa… ay pwde din palang maging biktima ng bulok na hustisya..
kapag nagtagumpay sila na sya ay magdusa sa kasalanang hindi naman nagawa…
ang kinakatakot ko.. ang aking pagasa’y siguradong maglalaho… mawawala…
ano na ngayon ang iisipin ng mga taong may tunay na hangaring linisin ang bulok na sistema?
na ang paglaban sa kriminalidad lalo na sa korapsyon, ay isang panaginip na lang
sapagkat kapag tinangka mong lumaban sa may hawak ng kapangyarihan…
kaya-kaya nilang paikutin ang sistema upang ikaw ay masaktan…
kahit na isa ka pang senador o dating pinuno ng kapulisan…
# 196
Not at all, NFA. I’m no Noynoy fanatic if you check what I write here. I’ve been reading your comments and you’ve been consistently defending Gloria which makes me to suspect that either you’re a member of the Pidal family or a former GMA official. Your access to this blog and being able to express your opinion freely shows the independence of this blog led by the owner. She has manifested her position that she did not support any candidate last presidential election. Hence, she allows freedom of exchanges here. So, keep it this way and stop calling some of the bloggers here fanatics. Right, Luli? Buntis ka na ba?
# 166
Yes, I recall the late Senator Rene Cayetano meddling in the Vizconde case by assisting Jessica Alfaro. It was during the time Cayetano was involved in the inside trading scam Dahil namatay na, nakalimutan na ang anomalyang ito.
# 153
May tama ka, Mike. It’s a matter of survival inside the Bilibid to join a gang. Pero may choice ka naman. I know of some who refuse to join a particular gang because of their religious belief and faith. I’m talking about those converted to some religious groups like INK who even have their own chapel inside Munti where they can freely worship.
Not only that, VIPs and politicians jailed do not have to join. Jalosjos, Sanchez and the others just donate to get special treatment. And by joining a gang like what Hubert did, it’s also one way of getting access to vices like drugs. To say that Hubert is not using drugs inside would be like saying Hubert does not eat three meals a day.
# 156
Napapansin niyo ba na may mga galing sa Munti na biglang naging Preachers na hawak hawak ang biblia? Etong huli na lang ay si Biong, ang Pulis na nagsunog ng mga ebidensiya sa Vizconde case. Para sa akin, isang balatkayo lang iyan. Tignan niyo si Bing Crisologo. Naging Born Again Preacher kuno pero manyakis naman. Marami siyang minolestiya na babaeng staff. Isa pa si Jackie Enrile na maraming pinatay noong panahon ni Marcos na isa doon ay sikat na artistang si Alfie Anido. Born Again na din kuno para makalimutan ang mga kasalanan niya. Iyan ang pasaporte ng ilan kunwari nagsisi at nagbago na. Kung minsan tanga na ang mga tao na madaling makalimutan ang kanilang ginawa. Huwag kayong magulat kung isang araw maging Born Again Preacher din si Chavit Singson o si Mike Pidal.
@marz,
huh..and me defending Gloria? Where? Siguro dahil sa pagkapanatiko mo, ang anti-Noynoy ay pro-Gloria. At ano naman ang kinalaman ni Ellen sa mga sinasabi ko? I agree with Ellen on many things except this Lacson case and the Trillanes gang amnesty.
# 152
The US not meddling in the domestic affairs of another country? You must be kidding.
# 151
I agree there’s no perfect justice system. But I do hear of corrupt HK Police and officials. One country I somewhat advice is the Japan Police. They’re less corrupt.
# 204
Check my posts. I’ve also been critical of Noynoy confirming your observation that he has not convened his cabinet for 3 months. I even said he wakes up very late. This habit was confirmed by no less than his long time yaya. I’ve been supportive of De Lima by suggesting that she be given some time to clean up the mess of the past DOJ leadership. De Lima was a former Human Rights Commission Chairperson. She was tasked to oversee human rights cases and protect victims of human rights which makes her more than qualified to head the DOJ. And she’s not afraid to differ in her opinion with the President.
On the other hand, check yourself. You’ve been consistently attacking Noynoy and defending Gloria. Do I need to say more?
chi – December 4, 2010 10:55 pm
“Surrender first before justice is served”. Tapos deretso sa kulungan wala namang solid evidence na pinatay nya si Dacer at Corbito. Ano hilo? Justice served? Kung puti na ang uwak?
Unahin nila si Gloria at Mike Pidal, letse
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The way I understand it, technically, the defendant waits ad infinitum until a date is set by the courts to prove his guilt or innocence. Ang problema, the case goes on limbo until that set date, at pag minalas-malas ka one would have already served his time before the case is even heard, depending on the gravity of the case (ewan ko, like I always say, I am not a lawyer so please correct me if I am wrong). And if the case is heard at all and you have the likes of Merceditas Gutierrez to handle your case, one would expect a never-ending hearing dates with no end in sight. Meanwhile one rots in jail——–and that does not yet include the actual sentence, if at all.
Reminds me of case wherein a child is being contested as the legitimate offspring of two claimant mothers. The case dragged on for so long until the day of the hearing resumed for resolution. Before the proceedings began, the judge asked the gallery present as to other people who might be directly involved in the case to please stand up. A very frail man in his mid-90’s slowly stood up and the judge asked, ” sino po ba kayo at ano ang kinalaman niyo sa kasong ito”? Without blinking his tired and weary eyes, the old man said, “Ako po yung batang pinag-awayan noong dalawang nanay na gustng angkinin.”
@marz,
I did not read your posts until you reacted to mine accusing me of being in Gloria’s camp. Now show me where I defended Gloria.
Your comments defending the past administration were enough to reflect your color. Next case please…
As things stand, we have a topsy-turvy government, devoid of direction. Noynoy’s presidency is in a critical time and we can’t be silent until it is too late.
@marz,
I see. You do not have any evidence. Dreaming much?
Recall (cancel) the Arrest Warrant on Sen. Lacson, Re-Investigate the case, Dig deeper into the testimony of Mancao the timing especially. Then perhaps Sen. Lacson would surface and face whatever charges, they may deem appropriate, and I doubt if ever there will be any.
I find it incredible, that Mancao would implicate Lacson in the car conversation, when Lacson was with ERAP and Sen. Roxas in New York during the “said conversation” that Lacson and Michael Ray had, which was supposedly overheard by Mancao. Timeline and probability of Lacson being in both places (New York and Manila)_This is quite impossible to achieve. Neither Houdini nor James Bond can be at Two different places at the same time. No One for that matter.
Could it be that they (present govt) is being hard on PL because, PL would put a stop to the shenanigans and fauxpass that PNoy and his team have been committing?
Fair justice and level playing field from PNoy? Somehow I doubt this.
Sec. De Lima is in a “situation” that I think she needs to play the game at this particular issue.
@cocoy # 161
Paano yan kapag you’re into something big. A dream deal thats gonna make you rich beyond you wildest dream. Then biglang may dumating na notice telling you to do jury service. Nako, naloko na. Can you sue the gov’t for that, lost opportunity or can the gov’t compensate at least half of what you’re expecting from the deal?
# 211
Yes, I’m dreaming much. I dream of a better Philippines. Evidence? Again, you sound like a typical Gloria defender. For nine or 10 years, Gloria’s dogs were barking the same line…where’s the evidence? Where’s the evidence she cheated in 2004 election (despite her popular “I am sorry”)? Where’s the evidence she was involved in the ZTE scam?
# 213
I’m curious about this Jury duty thing in other countries. We don’t have it here and I wonder if it’s good to have it.
Iba kasi ang court system natin. Kung may jury panel tayo, baka malagyan o takutin ang members of Jury ano?
Can one excuse himself from jury in the US if let’s say he has to fly to Manila to attend an important occasion or due to an ailing family member?
Hahaha@Jawo! mid-90’s na ang bata at nag-reincarnate na ang dalawang nanay na nag-aaway, hehe….
Yan na nga ang puntos ko, kung susurender si Ping whose case is unbailable, aba e patay na sya sa kulungan wala pang hustisya dahil sa bagal. Who would like that, aber?
Why can’t the court give some elbow room to Ping’s case while there’s no single solid evidence that he committed the twin-murder?
Bakit nagmamadali ayan si Ampatuan at Gloria na nag-backhoe ng 58 katao? Yan, maliban sa isa, may mga katawan na walang duda. Ano talaga ang priority ng DOJ ni PNoy, tse!
@marz # 205
Everyone knows they (US) meddle with foreign gov’ts. especially when they have vested interests. But meddling in a very local “murder case” they won’t.
# 212
Just like Hubert Webb’s alibi, Lacson and Erap could fake the immigration records to prove they were not present in the country when the crime happened. I don’t mean the two were guilty. What I’m saying is everything is possible in the Philippines.
@marz,
What again? May kinalaman ako sa NBN-ZTE? Ang gulo mo namang kausap.
# 214
Agree with you, di uubra ang jury system dito. Kahit nakakulong ka sa isang silid o bahay para di ka maimpluwensyahan ng mga sangkot sa kaso, may paraan para makalusot. No, not here… not yet anyway.
And considering that cases here takes a lot of time, I mean years pala. Paano na ang jury member? Parang siya na ang nakakulong niyan. 😛
# 145
In any criminal investigation, the body is the best evidence. Without it, mahirap malutas ang kaso. Buti na lang may DNA ngayon. Sabi nila may mga buto daw nina Dacer ang nakita sa scene of the crime. Pero maaaring mga buto ng aso iyon. Uso pa naman ang Botso ngayon. Gaya ng paulit na sinasabi ko, hanggang hindi malutas ang kaso ni Ninoy, huwag na natin asahan ang ibang mga kaso. Si Marcos daw pero wala naman matibay na prueba na siya ang mastermind. Kahit si Galman…sigurado ba tayo na siya iyon ang namatay sa airport?
Tulad na lang ang National Hero natin na si Dr. Jose Rizal. Nakatalikod siya bago siya barilin at nang binaril ay biglang humarap. Sigurado ba tayong siya nga iyon. Eh si Willie Nepomuceno kayang magbago ng anyo at mukha in just a matter of seconds. Isa pa, someone might have disguised as Rizal. Remember that Chinese who disguised himself as an old man in illegally entering Vancouver, Canada? Baka ganyan din ang nangyari kay Rizal.
# 216
Mike, it doesn’t have to be a local case or any other case which the US meddles. May tinatawag na leverage o blackmail. Halimbawa na lang sa kaso noong rapist na si Smith. Ang tungkol sa VFA. Ang election natin. Ang papili ng national leaders at president natin. Ang mga fugitives na Fil-Ams at pagkakulong si Michael Aquino pati na iyong Fil-Am FBI na si Alejandro. Maraming paraan. Kahit local case ay pakikialaman nila kapalit ng ibang bagay. Iyan ang trabaho ng US Embassy which directly reports to Washington. Ang US Embassy (pati na ang ibang mga bansa) not only serves as venue to process visa applicants but it acts as their country’s eyes and ears abroad. Marami sa mga diplomats na iyan mga CIA operatives.
# 218
Sinabi ko bang may kinalaman ka sa ZTE deal? Si Neri ka ba o Abalos? Si Gloria ka ba mismo? Hindi ako magulong kausap. Magulo ka lang dito.
Speaking of disguised, I remembered reading an article about a man hired to become a double of the late Pres. Marcos. Whenever the president needs to be seen in a place but couldn’t make it, the man takes his place. No he won’t give interviews, pa-wave wave lang daw ang papel niya. 😛 They say he really looks like the real McCoy (pun not intended). 😛
# 222
Ya I know that. But the Web case I think is not in their radar scope. Wala silang mapapala diyan as far as I know. Meron ba? 🙂
Uulitin ko, wag muna kayong managinip ng hustisya sa Pinas. Isang taon na ang Maguindanao Massacre, kalahati sa termino ni Noynoy, ano na ang nangyari? Wala pang hearing doon sa main case.
Motion for Bail pa lang ang hearing hanggang ngayon.
Kung susuko si Lacson ngayon, ang mga huwes na inappoint ni Putot, kahit tutok ang media, kuyakoy pa rin at kamot-itlog. Isang taon din kaya kay Lacson para sa bail hearing, baka mas mahaba pa. Paano na yung hearing nung murder?
Pakitang gilas muna, desisyunan na yang bail ng mga Ampatuan, i-convict (o i-acquit) sa loob ng tatlo o anim na buwan sa mass murder, saka ninyo sabihing “hustisya”.
Nakakakilabot na salita. Hustisya…
But the Web case I think is not in their radar scope. Wala silang mapapala diyan as far as I know. Meron ba?
Connect the dots tayo. Si Pinky Webb ng ABS-CBN, dumistansya pa sa boyfriend na si Edu dahil kalaban ng partido ng “manok” ng network. Isang pabor nung eleksyon na may katumbas, gaya ng pag-appoint ng tatay ni Ogie Alcasid ngayon sa PNOC.
Yan Mike ang napala na. Past tense.
Hanga ako kay perl. Malalim nga ang ugat ng mga nagawa ni Lacson sa mga katulad namin ni perl na umaasang darating tayo sa puntong muling pagtitiwalaan ang gobyerno, yung mga matatapang na lumalaban sa baluktot, imbes na parusahan, dapat ginagantimpalaan.
Lalahatin ko na, kung merong sasagot dito:
Meron bang isa man lang na politiko, sa mga nanunungkulan ngayon, ang kayang mag-isang lumaban sa isang malupit, baluktot, mapaniil na gobyerno gaya nung kay Arroyo, at hindi nagpatalo?
Merong mga lumaban noon kay Makoy, pero lahat sila kundi nakulong sa Crame ay tumakas papuntang Amerika.
Si Lacson na sandamukal na kaso ang ipinorma ng gobyerno ni Gloria, naipakulong ba?
Kaya naman De Lima, hindi ka na dapat maging instrumento ng mga Pidal na dati mong amo.
Ingat sa paglalantad ng balat, baka makita ang kaliskis mo.
@marz,
You want to know my identity? Si Erap lang naman ako.
@TonGuE-tWisTeD,
Well our justice system sucks more than than the Vietnam wines. But in my view it is the only thing we have to go for. Kung inosente man si Lacson, hindi lang naman siya ang nakakaranas ng injustice. De Lima is correct. Innocent or guilty, he has to go through the same process that others went through. Bakit bigyan natin siya ng special treatment?
Hahahaha!
# 229
Si Erap ka pala. Bakit okay ang English mo?
# 224
Nabalitaan ko rin iyang double ni Macoy. Baka iyan nga ang nakalibing sa Ilocos Norte. Sa tingin ko maraming leaders ang may double for security reason. Eh kung si Willie Nepomuceno kayang gayahin kahit sino.
Malas lang talaga si Lacson. Hindi siya kasing-talino ni Mai Mislang at kasing-dikit [wink] ni Rico E. Puno.
Masyado siyang straight. Kaya Sen. Ping, kung pakikinggan mo ang mungkahi ni NFA Rice, pakulong ka na. E ano raw ngayon kung inosente ka? Lahat naman ng inosente nakukulong, yan ang kalakaran – walang special treatment sa inosente. Parang “mali” yung “correct” ni De Lima?
Hahaha uli.
# 228
Wala po akong sagot diyan.
# 227
Matalino at taga La Salle pa naman itong si Edu, kung bakit ba naman sumama sa ticket ni Gloria at tumakbong Bise. Ayan, nasa kangkungan ngayon. Sayang din si Pinky sa kanya. Ayan, ang pumuporma ngayon diyan si Ted Failon na hanggang ngayon duda pa ang iba sa pagkamatay ng asawa.
(Ipo-post ko dito yung comment ko sa sinundang thread.)
Lagareng Hapon ang tawag sa kamukha ng gawain ni Dacer. Publicist siya ni Erap, may bayad, pero siya rin ang nagpi-feed sa grupo ni FVR/Almonte ng mga detalye nung BW Resources stocks scam. May bayad din yon, ginamit pa sa impeachment. Ga-maletang ebidensiya raw iyong laging dala-dala ni Dacer, sabi ng anak niya at ni Glenn Dumlao.
Kaya nung ayaw nang bayaran ni FVR yung upa niya sa Manila Hotel kaya na-sipa ang opisina niya doon, alam nila Almonte na pupunta ito kay Erap para magsumbong naman sa kabila. Nung araw na kinidnap si Dacer, naka-unipormeng pulis pa ang dumampot. Wow ha, ang tatanga talaga! [kung totoong pulis nga:)] Tirik ang araw, sa publikong lugar, mga markadong mobile ang ginamit para sa salvage ng isang taong may meeting daw kay FVR. Super bobong mga pulis o scripted/frame up?
Sino’ng may malaking rason para burahin sa ibabaw ng lupa si Dacer, si Lacson ba? Wala yata sa istorya.
# 232
Lacson was the first Senator to reject Pork Barrel. As PNP Chief, he turned down bribes from gambling syndicates. He also declined rewards from Tsinoy businessmen who were victims of kidnapping. In their gratitude, these businessmen among them was the Gokongwei family supported him during elections.
Straight siya kaya minsan niyang sinabi na hinding hindi siya magiging pulitiko dahil marumi daw. You know what happened later.
Medyo naiipit na si Lacson ngayon. The public is now calling him to appear. Kaya kung ako siya, magpakita na siya. Huwag siyang gumaya kay Gringo na nahuling nakababa ang patalon.
# 234
Name the price. Iyan ang PR job the Dacer. Kung saan malaki ang bayad, doon siya. Just look at his face…mukhang mandurugas di ba (RIP). It’s possible that he was eliminated by some other forces other than alleged Lacson because of his profession.
@TonGuE-tWisTeD,
who can declare someone innocent or guilty? Why do we have courts? Are there special rules for special people?
Meron ngang korte, in form, not in substance.
Sampolan kita. Punta ka dito sa Pasay City Jail. O kahit saang City o Municipal Jail na malapit sa yo. Lahatin na natin. Apaw ang inmates.
Ang mga kulungang iyan ay detention centers, hindi yan bilangguan. Ang bilangguan, yung New Bilibid Prisons. Bakit nag-uumapaw ang mga City Jails? Kasi hindi naghi-hearing yung kaso nila, walang abugado, o naglagay sa piskal o huwes yung nagpakulong.
Hindi naman ako humihingi ng special rule for special people, ang hinihingi ko, pantay na aplikasyon ng batas.
Meron tayong Ombudsman, very good. Motu propio, pwede silang magimbestiga kahit isulat mo lang sa kaha ng sigarilyo yung tip o reklamo mo. Tapos imbestigahan ay isasampa yan sa DOJ.
Namputa, siyam at kalahating taong sindikatong kriminal ang nagpatakbo sa Pilipinas, meron bang special rules para sa mga special people gaya ng mga Arroyo at mga kasabwat? Meron na bang kaso sa korte si De Lima? Mag-aanim na buwan na siyang nakaupo diyan, sa tagal nang pinag-uusapan yang mga kaso ni Gloria, “wala ni isang kumikilos?” Ano’ng ginagawa ng mga piskal niya? Ano’ng ginagawa niya?
Paano mo maide-declare kung “innnocent or guilty” kung ayaw mo namang kasuhan?
“Why do we have courts” ang tanong mo. Para saan nga ba? Para sa panggigipit ng mga kalaban ni Arroyo at para makalusot ang mga kakampi niya?
Sabi nga ni Ellen, masaya ang mga Pidal kasi si de Lima na ang nagtatrabaho para sa kanila.
RE: Tulad na lang ang National Hero natin na si Dr. Jose Rizal. Nakatalikod siya bago siya barilin at nang binaril ay biglang humarap.~marz
Pause muna Folks, nangyari na gustong ipamukha ng ating Gat Jose Rizal sa mga Kastilaloy na handa siyang magbuwis ng buhay alang-alang para sa bayan…naku biglang gulat niya kasi nga po, ganito yan…di ba nakatalikod ang pobre na akala niya e mga sundalong Kastila ang babaril sa kanya…nais niyang ipakita na matapang ang Pinoy e sabay harap…biglang gulat niya nang masulyapan niya na mga Makapili pala yong babaril sa kanya eh!
Sino pumatay kay jose rizal mga kastila ba o mga pilipino?
Ang pumatay kay Rizal ay hindi mga Kastila kundi mga Pilipinong sundalo mga walanghiyang Kababayan.
Ang maga Kastila ila ang nagpapatay at mga sundalong Pilipino ang pumatay.
Magkaiba ang nagpaaptay at pumatay. Kaming mga estudyante sa kolehiyo ang nakakaalam niyan dahil may mga libro kaming binabasa about the “Rizal Life” pero kung sa Catholics school ka nag-aaral wala kang malalaman dahil hindi nila itinuturo ang Rizal Life dahil masisira ang mga simbahan sa pagiging mukhang pera.
Eto ang sagot sa tanong mo unawain ang buod ng kamatayan ni Rizal: The firing squad was composed of eight Filipino soliders with another line of Spanish soldiers behind them to ensure that Filipinos did their job of shooting Rizal…..ang liwanag na ang mga Kastila ay taga-utos lang at ang walong Pilipinong sundalo na mga walanghiyang Kabababayan niya ang bumaril kay Rizal sa Babumgayan O Luneta na ngayon.
Ginawa nila ang ang trabaho nilang pumatay ng sariling Kababayan. Ganyang-ganyan si Kristo noon pinatay Siya mga mga Kababayan niyang Hudyo ring katulad sa sarili niyang Bayan at mismong Kababayan nya pa.
Hango sa: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Sino_pumatay_kay_jose_rizal_mga_kastila_ba_o_mga_pilipino
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Sino_pumatay_kay_jose_rizal_mga_kastila_ba_o_mga_pilipino#ixzz17AWq2xh4
# 237
To me, it’s only God Who can declare who’s innocent or guilty.
And that’s on the day of Judgment.
# 238
May tama ka talaga. Agree ako. May court nga sa atin pero korteng peke at baluktot. Take the case of criminal Ivler. Pinayagan ng korte na magpa-confine sa hospital dahil daw sa may abdominal bleeding. When the doctor examined him, he was found to be normal and well. Ganyan ang mga VIP suspects and criminals, ginagamit ang korte at hospital para comfortable ang kanilang stay. Di hamak na mas masarap sa hospital kesa sa jail.
Nandiyan din ang mga TRO for a fee, warrant for a fee at kung anu-ano pa sa korte. Kadalasan ang decision ng korte ay hindi kung sino ang tama o mali kung sino ang may pera. At least, that’s what we have in the Philippines.
Nga pala, cocoy, corpus delicti ang tamang term para sa “body of evidence”. Corpora delicti kung plural. Yung habeas corpus ay isang legal relief from unlawful detention. Sa Latin, ay “You shall have the body” ang translation.
Hindi mo naitatanong, napag-aralan namin yan noon sa Geometry, at yung mga Latin translation ay itinuro sa Music.
@TonGuE-tWisTeD,
Yes! Exactly. Dapat nang kasuhan si Gloria. Bakit ba hindi pa gumagana ang Truth Komisyon? Tanungin mo nga si De Lima kung nasaan na yung mga instruksyon ni PNoy.
Pero may mali sa sinasabi mo. Hindi pa nga nakasuhan si Gloria, you already accused the courts of clearing her.
P… naman ito oo. Sino ba talaga ang dapat magdemanda laban kay Gloria?
Weh, me aswang na naman. Tulog si Akismet. Dati, pag doble ang post, sasabihin niya, “It seems that you have already said that”.
Furthermore, we have corrupt lawyers who corrupt the judges and the courts. Akala niyo ba ang mga tulad ni Fortun ay magaling? Nah. Kahit sinong bagitong abogado ay kayang paikutin ang kaso kapag mayaman ang client. Anong panalo ni Fortun sa kaso ng Ampatuan? From the very beginning, alam na niyang talo na ang client niya. Pero bakit niya tinanggap ang kaso? He explained that as a lawyer, it’s his duty to defend even the criminals. Really? Bakit siya kinuha ng mga Ampatuan? Simple. Alam nila na magaling at kaya ni Fortun na bulungan ang mga judges. Alam ni Fortun ang pasikot-sikot. Iyang mga tulad ni Fortun ang dapat alisin para maging medyo malinis ang justice system natin.
@ TonGuE-tWisTeD # 234
Pareho pala tanyo ng iniisip. Yun lang na si tabako ang nag ingay sa media na nawawala at nakidnap si Dacer dahil isang oras na daw siyang na late sa kanilang meeting, tumaas na kilay ko. Diba ang unang iisipin mo kapag na late ang isang kausap mo sa meeting eh, baka na trapik o di kaya nasiraan at marami pang pwedeng isiping dahilan. Kung 24 oras ng nawawala, dun mo na iisipin na baka naaksidente o dili kaya’y nagkasakit. Pag 2 araw na at wala pa ring balita, papahanap mo na kung saang ospital nakaratay dahil nga may sakit. Tatawag ka sa pulis at di sa media para pahanapin. Huli mo na maiisip na, teka baka nakidnap siya.
# 240
“Corpuz delicti”…anong kinalaman ni dating Col. Corpuz sa mga topic dito?
# 242
Nang si Davide ang ginawang pinuno ng Truth Commission, nagduda na ako kay Pnoy. Despite objection from the Erap camp requesting him to reconsider his decision, walang nangyari. The question is WHY Davide of all the people? Take note that we don’t here much from this administration about going after Gloria’s crimes unlike during the campaign when Pnoy used this as a battle cry. What’s up now? Di kaya may special deal na naman? At bakit binigyan ng napakalaking budget si Gloria sa kanyang distrito ng Congress samantalang inipit ni Gloria ang mga opposition noon kahit na sa Pork Barrel. Malalaman natin ito sa mga darating na araw.
P… naman ito oo. Sino ba talaga ang dapat magdemanda laban kay Gloria?
Kung criminal case, yung DOJ piskal, bilang kinatawan ng “People of the Philippines”.
Pero may mali sa sinasabi mo. Hindi pa nga nakasuhan si Gloria, you already accused the courts of clearing her
Saan ko sinabi yan?
@marz, #245
Ang magaling yung abugado ni Lucio Tan at ni Erap na abugado na rin ni Gloriang. Si Mendoza ba yun? Hehehe 😛
Si Tabako ang utak ng maraming milagro at hanggang ngayon lusot pa rin siya. Di ba sa panahon niya nag-umpisa ang Dagdag-bawas scheme?
Kung ang isang tinatawag na Protestante ay tunay na tapat sa kanyang pananampalataya, di siya makikiapid. During the Edsa Revolt at Camp Crame, Ramos raised the statue of Virgin Mary. Alam naman natin na hindi naniniwala kay Mama Mary ang mga Protestante. Then, we saw him attending Catholic mass. Anong klaseng Protestante iyan? Diyan pa lang ay nakikita na natin kung anong klaseng tao itong si Tabako. Traidor. I don’t know if most of his men are still with the government but I know many of his trusted Generals occupied juicy positions during the Arroyo administration.
# 249
Walang dudang magaling na abogado si dating Solicitor Estelito Mendoza. Panahon pa ni Marcos iyan. Pero halos parehong style naman iyan kay Fortun. Puro mayayaman ang clients. Magaling sa gapangan si Mendoza. During the time of DOJ Sec. Cuevas, Mendoza tried to influence Cuevas on Tan’s tax case. Sources inside DOJ said halos araw-araw tumatawag at pumupunta kay Cuevas si Mendoza. Pero hindi yata pinagbigyan ni Cuevas. Kahit si Erap utos kay Cuevas na hinay hinay lang kay kumpareng Tan. Hindi nakinig kaya tinanggal.
watch ping’s videos…interesting!
http://www.pinglacson.net/
If I have the choice, I would like to appoint or place Atty. Harry Roque to sensitive position. Magaling, honest at talagang maaasahan ang taong ito.
Human Rights lawyers are admirable. Many of them take cases pro bono. Kung minsan pa nga sila ang nag-aabono. There were many good HR lawyers during the Marcos regime like Pimentel and Saguisag na hanggang ngayon ay medyo credible at reputable pa. But there are also many who are victims of the corrupt system. May mga nagbago na. Kilala niyo na kung sino-sino sila. Let me just mention one…Joker.
marz, precisely the problem of our just-tiis system. Gapangan at suhulan ang nangyayari sa loob at labas ng ating hukuman. Kaya nga tumatagal ang mga kaso. Di uubra ang SWIFT justice dito sa atin, walang kikitain ang mga huwes.
# 252
Website ni Lacson iyan. I also have that and I keep it. I hope Lacson appears ASAP and clear his name so he can continue his good work at the Senate. Kailangan siya sa Senado.
Alam mo marz, ganyan ang sales pitch ng mga abugado. Walang tinatanggihang kaso yan, ang dahilan, sinisiguro kuno lang nila na ang kliyente ay dadaan sa tamang proseso na kahit mahatulang nagkasala ay tamang parusa lamang ang maipapataw. Sisiguruhin nilang ang bawat ebidensiyang ipiprisinta ay dadaan sa scrutiny at ang mga walang basehang ebidensiya ay ibabasura.
Pilit ring pahahabain ang kaso dahil habang humahaba, nanganganak ang mga isyu at naghihintay sila ng butas o fatal slip ng mga witness upang maisingit ang “benefit of the doubt”. Siyempre, habang tumatagal, dumadami ang patak ng metro.
(Yung #256 ay sagot ko sa #247 ni Marz)
Eto pa kadugtong sa sagot ko kay marz.
Yung corpus delicti ay sagot sa comment #145 ni Cocoy. Nalito lang yung kaibigan ko sa habeas corpus at corpus delicti. May punto siya, wala namang matibay na pruwebang may na-murder, bakit may kasong murder agad?
Sabi ng forensic analyst: walang human DNA sa narecover na sunog na flesh, ang conclusion – baka sa hayop yun.
May nakuha raw na mga piyesa sa crime scene at na-identify na pag-aari nga nina Dacer at Corbito. Dalawang pustiso! Juicekupo, napakadaling magpagawa ng bagong pustiso. Napaka-amateur naman. (Ang ipinagtataka ko kung paano naisuot sa baka yung pustiso, hahaha!) Letse, meron akong pustiso ng Mommy ko, dalawang pares pa, tatanggapin ba ng Philam Life na ebidensiya yung dalawang pares na pustiso para sa insurance claim, aber?
Narecover din DAW yung sapatos ni Dacer ng anak niya mismo malapit DAW sa Revo. Wow, ha, tanga talaga mga imbestigador natin, ano? Apat na araw nang sinusuyod yung crime scene with a fine tooth comb, pero ang nakakita pa DAW ng sapatos doon e si Sabina Dacer. Korni na yan, ha.
Balik kay Lacson, meron ba siyang motibo? Wala!
Meron bang mga bangkay na positive na kina Dacer at Corbito? Wala!
Meron bang narecover na weapon? Wala!
Meron nga bang nangyaring Dacer-Corbito double murder?
# 256
May tama ka na naman. Habang tumatagal ay tatamarin ang mga witness at marami ang masisilaw sa lagay. Eto din ang kadalasan sales pitch ng mga abogado sa pamilya ng biktima: “Pasensiya na sa nangyari. Eto po ang tulong sa inyo. Malaking halaga iyan para magsimula kayo sa buhay. Ano man gawin natin ay nandiyan na iyan. Hindi na natin mababawi ang kanilang buhay. Ipasa-Diyos na lang natin.” Sinong mahirap na pamilya ng biktima na hindi papayag sa offer? Kapag nakikita nilang gutom ang mga anak na naiwan, sisigaw pa ba sila ng “hustisya”? Baka sumigaw sila ng “Oo nga ano”.
# 257
Joke ko lang iyon sir. Alam ko hindi si dating Gen. Corpuz ang tinutukoy mo.
We assumed that those who killed Dacer and his driver were professionals. Lalo na kung tutuong ang mga bata ni Lacson ang tumira. Pero tanga ba sila na mag-iiwan ng ebidensiya?
Kahit amateur na killer kukunin ang sapatos lalo na ang mamahalin at baka isuot pa niya sa party.
@TonGuE-tWisTeD
Hindi naman ako humihingi ng special rule for special people, ang hinihingi ko, pantay na aplikasyon ng batas.
Fairness means dropping Lacson’s case because he demands it? Now if we be fair, why charge Gloria if she’s allowed to demand our system to drop the case against her?
My suspicion here is that they can’t start to prosecute Gloria because the Truth Commission doesn’t have the force of the law. Sure De Lima’s department is part of that commission, but having a commission subordinating the DOJ looks unconstitutional. This is the reason why I want it scrapped and be replaced with something substantial.
If Aquino wants to have Lacson’s case reinvestigated, he can simply give De Lima the order and start things running. I don’t believe De Lima acts independent of Aquino, and that would be unfair for De Lima to blame her for not doing what she is not ordered to do.
Oo nga pala Tongue, mabuti nandiyan ka na itama ang pagkakamali ko.”Corpus delicti” pala ang tamang term.
Pareho tayong tama sa isang word na “Corpus” buti na lang di naisulat pala ang “Corpus De Christi”.hahaha!
@Marz–258
Kung ako ang pamilya ng biktima lalo na malakas ang ebidensya sa akusado, ilalaban ko muna ang kriminal case at magkaroon ng conviction, then saka ko banatan ang convict ng Civil damages.Nas matindi iyun kasi doble ang parusa niya.
Tulad nitong mga Ampatuans mamamalimos na sila pag na convict sila dahil ang mga pamilya ng mga biktima ay babanatan sila ng Civil damages.
Ito yatang pamilya ni Dacer ay binatan si Erap ng civil damages sa Civil court ng America.Ipagpalagay na natin manalo sila against kay Erap, maimplement ba ang judgement sa kanya kung ang mga ari-arian niya ay wala dito sa America?
noong panahon ni lacson na siya ang pnp chief, bawal ang kotong cops sila lang ang puede sa madaling salita naging centralized ang grease money o patong sa mga illgel na gawain. maraming carnap na sasakyan ang ipinarada sa camp crame dahil sa directive ni lacson na bawal gumamit ng carnap alam ni lacson yon kasi gawain nya rin yun. sa mga nakilala kong pma si lacson ang pinakamatalino at madiskarte, alam niya kung paano kunin ang kiliti ng masa, dahil maraming galit sa pulis kaya pulis ang inuupakan niya kahit pulis siya. sa kasong dacer corbito, mahina talaga ang kaso kasi si lacson ang pinalalabas na principal by inducement, para lumakas ang kaso dapat ang principal na may direct participation ay matukoy din hindi si lacson lang mag isa. sentido kumon, sino ba ang may motibo na patayin si dacer? tama ang tinatahaw ng kaso kaya lang maraming kulang. sa criminal law, the act of flight is a presumption of guilt. nakakatuwa nga ang nangyayari kasi mambabatas biktima rin ng injustice, sana madakdagan pa ang mambabatas na maging biktima ng injustice bakja sakali mabago ang batas para hindi na lang puro mahirap ang mga biktima na walang pambayad sa abogado at hindi kayang magtago sa batas.
ang pinakamagandang gawin ni lacson tumingin siya sa itaas at sumigaw ng manos para lumuwag naman ang pakiramdam niya.
# 263
Matindi ang civil damages pero mahirap ma-implement. Wala akong narinig pa na buo ang binayad na parusa sa kasalanan ginawa. Paano kung wala ng pera o asset ang akusado?
Ang mga Ampatuan ay malabong magpalimos. Sa laki ng pera nila, bibilhin nila ang mga testigo, abogado, judge bago makuha ang civil damages kung meroon man. Sa huli, ang kawawang bansa ang magpapalimos sa mga Ampatuan.
# 264
Bayong, how are you related to Biong? Joke only.
Earlier, I mentioned that Lacson used to be with the most feared MISG during the Marcos regime. This group was very notorious not only in kidnapping and salvaging, but also money making. Then Gen. Tomas Dumpit was also one. Col. Balbino Diego was compadre to all Tsinoys willing to pay for a fee to get privileges as Presidential Security Command confidential agents complete with badge and ID, mission order, wang wang and huge Malacanang sticker posted on their windshield.
I also mentioned that Lacson was not the type to pull the trigger but could order his men to do the job for him. When you said kotong was centralized, there could be some truth in this. But come to think of it, it was cheaper to deal with one or two officials than so many. Mas madaling kausapin. Iyan din ang idea ni Erap noon na centralized ang jueteng. Kaya nga pumalag ang mga ibang jueteng lords tulad ni Singson kaya pinagtulungan si Erap hanggang napatalsik ang pobre.
# 262
Ang akala ko nga ang sinulat niyo “coitus”. Buti mali ako.
# 261
Di natin alam kung ano talaga ang nasa utak ni Pnoy kung may utak man siya. Sa tutoo lang, I’m not so impressed with his performance so far. Sayang si Gilbert Teodoro kung di lang napunta sa kampo na kinasusuklaman ng mga tao. Mar Roxas is not too bad either. Dahil malakas ang loob na murahin si Gloria, malakas din ang loob niya na ipakulong si Gloria. Before the Aquinos parted ways with Gloria, the late Cory and her family was avid supporters of Gloria. That’s why people are not sure of Noynoy’s sincerity in going after Gloria, your idol.
#260
NFA rice has a point. Had Aquino made an order? It does seem, so as per #167 by Tongue. So what’s with De Lima.
Excuse me but I wonder if the above ricelander is related or connected to NFA Rice. The connection is not due to concurring with what NFA Rice said but the similarity of the two that has “rice” as common denominator. This is not to say that NFA Rice used another alias to concur with himself or herself. But then, it’s quite possible.
Re 135, thank you Guido. Welcome.
I, myself, am learning a lot from the exchanges here.
De Lima has been saying it is already out of her power to do anything. Now, lawyers are trained exactly to find remedies, even if it would take them mountains and rivers to cross. De Lima the hotshot topnotch law grad Justice sec could not do anything, hmm?
Kung gusto me remedyo, kung ayaw me alibi.
Ang remedyo na pina-pairal ni PresiNoy, simple lang naman. Hindi niya ginawang top-priority na arestohin si Ping Lacson.
At sinigurado na walang reward-money. Baka nga naman biglang dumami ang magprisintang hanapin si Ping Lacson, hindi iyon ang gusto ni Pnoy.
272
P2m lang mahina ang reward money.Insulto kay Lacson iyan..Gawin nilang $20m.Kahit na walang mangahas na bounty hunter diyan.Una maraming connect si Lacson.Kaya iyung mga NBI na naghahanap sa kanya,paalis lang ng HQ nakatimbre na kay lacson.Ano si Lacson baliw para hintayin sila.
Hindi talaga pinoproblema ni Penoy si Lacson at hindi niya siya prioridad.Naganap ang krimen na ibinibintang sa kanya nung panahon pa yata ni Erap, tapos umupo si Gloria ng siyam na taon wala ring nangyri sa kaso,kay penoy pa. Baka bilungan pa siya siguro ni Penoy na magtagao na lang muna habang siya ang presidente at mag zarsuela na lang si De lima pansamantala.
Kita niyo ang sagot ni De Lima bahala na ang korte diyan kasi sa kanila na ang kaso.
Maghintay sila ng another 30 years at madali ng hanapin si Lacson sa nursing home.
Sige nga aarestuhin mo ba ang taong mayroon ng Alzheimer.
Mas matindi pa nga iyung ginawa ng Kawatan sa Iba, Zambales,naghukay sila ng underground sa inuupahan nilang bahay patungo sa vault ng banko, swak limas daw ang sampung milyon na laman ng kaha.Kaya iyung maghahanap kay lacson maghukay na lang sila ng underground patungo sa banko wala pa silang sabit na makikipagbarilan sa mga alalay ni Lacson.
Cocoy, Interior Secretary Robredo did not approve the P2 million reward. But then, that’s not publicized. It’s in my next column tomorrow.
Ms. Ellen, I saw the news regarding palace rejection of 2M reward. Forgot which newspaper that reported it. Either Inquirer or Philstar yata. FYI
Case vs Lacson deserves reinvestigation
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20101203-306717/Case-vs-Lacson-deserves-reinvestigation
When there is doubt, the sensible thing to do is to look again. Aren’t they the “new and compelling reason” cited by the law and the rules of court to reinvestigate the case? If the reinvestigation shows that Lacson had any participation in the murders, then he can be charged again, arrested and detained. But if he had no role in it, it would be a miscarriage of justice to arrest and detain him along with the criminals he had sent to jail.
By Neal Cruz
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 05:07:00 12/03/2010
Honasan calls for reinvestigation of Lacson case
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101203-306825/Honasan-calls-for-reinvestigation-of-Lacson-case
Senator Gregorio “Gringo” Honasan is preparing a resolution intended to defuse the growing tension between fugitive Sen. Panfilo “Ping” Lacson and authorities hunting him down.
But Sen. Francis Pangilinan said it was better for Lacson to just surrender and face his accusers in court.
Majority Leader Vicente Sotto said he would support the Honasan resolution.
btw, kanino bang utak-buwaya ang patong na P2M sa ulo ni Ping?
At itong tangnang Noted Pangilinan, galit pa sa NBI at kapulisan dahil moro-moro lang daw ang paghahanap kay Lacson, dapat daw ay totohanin. Ang traydor na Kiko Noted, halatang-halata hangga ngayon ay aso ni Gloria! Ano ang galit nya kay Lacson at gusto nyang mahuli dead or alive?
#280. DOUBT! Enough reason to reinvestigate Lacson’s case, ang puntos mismo ng Ellenville!
Bakit ipaha-hunting si Lacson, gusto pang may reward which would have been tantamount to shoot dead or alive when there is doubt he committed the murder?
De Lima is a brilliant lawyer, is she purposely ignoring this factor?
Lacson’s hide-and-seek game is disgustingly shameful. This only shows that his job as a public servant is meaningless, devoid of principle. He’s a lawmaker and former head of the police, for crying out loud!
Now, if he wants a fairness he should come out of hiding and face the the same system of laws that he enforced on others when he was in power. He can’t just demand a special process for himself as a prerequisite for surfacing.
If he dies while hiding, wouldn’t that be poetic justice?
if lacson is truly innocent, he has a unique opportunity to expose the rotten judicial system by confronting it head-on with his arsenal of truth.
Fairness means dropping Lacson’s case because he demands it? Now if we be fair, why charge Gloria if she’s allowed to demand our system to drop the case against her? – NFA Rice
Wow, what twisted logic! Malinaw ang sabi ng pangulo ni De Lima, “Lacson is not a priority”. Medyo hindi yata nasakyan ni De Lima, kaya sinundan ng paramdam na “ikaw ang napipisil ko para sa Comelec”. It does not need a rocket scientist to understand what Aquino is leading to.
Alam ni De Lima ang pangako ni Aquino nung kampanya tungkol sa hustisya – ipakulong si Arroyo. Kung sinuportahan man niya noong eleksiyon si Villarroyo, ngayon ay si Aquino na ang presidente, kay Aquino na ang poder. Kung dededmahin lang niya ang mga utos at paramdam ni Noynoy, sino ang tunay niyang amo, si Gloria pa rin ba?
Ang sinasabi kong “patas ang laban” (pahiram, Sen. Ping) ay unahin, kung di man isabay, ni De Lima ang kaso ni Gloria sa kaso ni Lacson.
Ano’ng huwag nang kasuhan si Gloria dahil fair din na humingi siyang i-drop ang mga kaso niya? Ikaw lang ang may sabi niyan, hindi ako. Huwag mong baluktutin ang logic para malibre sa kulungan ang idol (o nanay) mong si Putot. Kung ganoon pala ang gusto mo, e di dapat ikaw na ang magpropanganda na idismiss yung kaso ni Lacson para madali ring madismiss yung kaso ni Gloria mo.
Inilatag ko sa yo ang mga legal na argumento kung bakit dapat maiimbestigahan muli, yun ang sagutin mo.
# 237
Ang galing ng research ni Balweg. I didn’t even know that the Filipino soldiers shot Rizal. But they could have been Spaniards disguised as Filipinos. As early as then, there might have been many Willie Nepomuceno.
Kidding aside, tama ka ang simbahan ang utak sa pagpatay kay Rizal. Matindi ang mga librong sinulat ni Rizal laban sa mga Kastila at simbahan sa kanilang pang-aabuso sa mga Pilipino. Kung nagkataon nabuhay sa panahon noon si Celdran na nagprotestang “Damaso” sa Misa, baka pati siya binaril. Ang mga Pari at simbahan ngayon hindi na kayang pumatay kaya dakdak ng dakdak na lang.
Sus, ang tagal ng mag-isang lumalaban ni Lacson laban sa kababuyang ng mag-asawang Pidal. Ano ba kayo?!
Eto pa ang utos ni Noynoy kay De Lima. Wala pang nangyayari hanggang ngayon kaya ipinasa na kay Ochoa dahil mukhang ayaw tumalima ni De Lima.
Ang order ni Noynoy ay nung July 15 pa. Kung meron mang kasong nararapat i-exercise ni De Lima ang kanyang extraordinary plenary powers ay malinaw na dito applicable yun dahil isang gross injustice ang akusahan ng maling kaso ang isang nasasakdal, lalo’t walang piyansa at anim na taon nang pinagdudusahan.
Ngayon, kung si Lacson ay iti-Trillanes din, hindi ko masisisi kung magtago na lang siya.
# 273
Kahit P20M o P200M, insulto pa rin kay Lacson iyan. P20M is only equivalent to about $500,000. Kung magpatalo ang mga mayayaman sa Las Vegas ay higit pa diyan. Walang kayang halaga ang maibabayad sa pagturo kay Lacson. Over these many years, his influence and connection are just too much. If Gringo could hide for so long and even escaped a few times, si Lacson pa kaya. Ang balita naman kay Gringo noon may isa pa ngang religious group ang nagtatago sa kanya sa loob ng Kapilya. Posibleng ito din grupong ito ang isa sa mga tumutulong kay Lacson dahil malapit si Lacson sa kanila kahit noon pa.
@TonGuE-tWisTeD
Yes it is twisted logic based on the twisted premise that the accused can simply demand the case against him dropped, simply because he won’t face the charges. How can a reinvestigation happen if he doesn’t surface?
So Lacson is not Aquino’s priority, so no reinvestigation after all?
There are only two sides at play here. One is Lacson who seems to be above the law by virtue of his hiding skills and the other the president who doesn’t seem to care. And if my disgust at Lacson and the president’s ineptness makes me a Gloria fan, so be it.
And don’t forget NBI Director Gadtula used to be Lacson’s subordinate. Kahit papaano’y may connection pa rin. Hindi kaya iyan ang dahilan kung bakit ginawa siyang NBI Director ni Pnoy para tulungan at hindi usigin si Lacson. At si Lacson naman suportado si Pnoy noong election. Lahat ng kanyang tauhan ay tumulong kay Pnoy. Even his trusted aide Lito Banayo is now the NFA Chairman.
Diba si Banayo mismo ang nagsabing yung NFA rice, puro bulok, may kuto pa?
Disgusted ka pala kay Lacson at kay Noynoy.
Kay Gloria?
# 294
You mean NFA Rice here, the member here who’s perceived to be cheering for Gloria? Medyo bulok nga ang mga comments niya.
Alam niyo mga kabayan, imbes na si Lacson ang focus ay dapat kay Gloria na kasalukuyang humahalakhak. Ni first base wala pa na usigin siya. Pnoy might finish his term without even doing anything to her. That’s what we must focus. And Mike Pidal continues to play golf. Nawala na ang sakit niya at tumibay ang puso. Si Mikey naman patuloy na inaalagaan ang kanyang mga imported na kabayo mula sa Australia. Kahit isa man sa pamilyang Pidal wala pang nangyayari. That’s what we must focus and not Lacson.
as a man of national prominence, lacson could provide a heroic example to everybody on how to deal with the judicial system, no matter how flawed and corrupt it is.
# 287
Iyan ang sinasabi ko tungkol dito kay NFA Rice. He or she denied defending Gloria but his or her comments show it.
# 297
Bro, I agree. But on the other hand, there may be some other reasons much deeper than what we think and know.
# 289
Correct. Si Lacson lang yata ang talagang masugid na lumaban kay Gloria. Isa pa si Jamby Madrigal. Bakit tahimik ngayon si Jamby. She should say something at least to support Lacson. Partners silang dalawa sa Senado noon.
# 278
Indeed, Robredo rejected the P2M reward money to catch Lacson. If there’s credit I would be giving to this Noynoy administration, it’s the manner of which the cabinet members are not afraid to differ and speak their minds. Di tulad noong panahon ni Gloria lahat ay nasa Chorus.
# 283
Mr. Noted is just KSP (Kulang sa Pansin). Di alam ng public na malaki ang problema nila ng asawang Sharon. I’m not here to malign the good senator’s good name (if it’s good), but he has a mistress with a child. How the couple keeps this from the public for so long, I don’t know. Mas magaling pa silang magtago ng sikreto kesa sa pagtago ni Lacson.
#298 marz:
for purposes of discussion, what could those reasons be?
I personally do not know. But from some sources, it’s connected to Erap. Appearing would be detrimental to Erap and vice versa.
Re #290. Tongue, that’s the reason the President did not involve de lima and the DOJ in the amnesty proclamation.
She was asked her opinion on the Trillanes case and her recommendation was just to wait for the decision of Judge Pimentel.
Siyempre naman ang pinagawa niya ng recommendations were the prosecutors persecuting Trillanes. Kaya yang sina Fadullon and Navera ngawa ng ngawa when the amnesty proclamation was released.
I have a new post on Lacson. Let’s have the discussion there.
Masyadong mahaba na dito.
Tutoo po. Umabot sa # 305. So far, I’m enjoying the beautiful exchanges here.
@TonGuE-tWisTeD
Disgusted ka pala kay Lacson at kay Noynoy.
Kay Gloria?
Huh? My anger against Gloria and her ilk dated further back in 2001, and I have used up the all the spittle I can direct at her. What’s the use of speaking out against her if other people here can do the job. Besides, it’s a different personality now occupying the place she vacated. What matters is the present. Of course Gloria should face justice as everyone else.
Besides, I am not like some of you folks that seem to be too politicized to forget what this country stands for.
sana mabasa ni Sen. Lacson at ng kanyang pamilya ang mga post dito na maraming naniniwala na sya ay inosente at sumusuporta at naniniwala sa kanyang pinaglalaban..
tinatanaw kong utang na loob ang mga ginawa nya para sa bayan… maraming salamat Sen. Ping Lacson…
pra kay Sec De Lima at ni PNoy… ang pagpaparusa sa katulad ni Ping Lacson sa kasalanang hindi nya nagawa ay pagpapatunay na nangingibabaw pa din ang bulok na sistema… na nagagapi ang mga taong totoong lumalaban sa kopasyon… huwag nyong hayaang mawala ang aming maliit na kinakapitang pagasa…
thank, thank you again… ellen!
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pero sa ibang website naman kasi, mas marami pa ang naniniwala na sya ay may kagagawan ng krimen…
Kung walang kasalan,sige sabihin niya iyon sa harap ng paniwala ninyong baluktot sa justice system, kasi pag kung ganun kayo lagi, baka ang mga ampatuan ay ganun din ang hihilingin sa korte… Uulitin ko na naman, sabi nga ni Ping dati na sya’y buong buo at tapat na makikipag tulungan sa ikalulutas ng kaso sa pagpatay nina Dacer-Corbito… naupo na si Pnoy, hanggang ngayon,nagtatago pa rin sya..
Sya ay suspect pa lamang at hindi akusado, di ako pabor sa reward proposal ng VACC… ganun ba ang nakikipag tulungan? matapos madeny ang kanyang motion, eh ngayon nandidikta na sya! kunting respeto lang, kasi paniwala mo naman walang kasalan…. Pakalalake din sana, para humarap kung naniwala naman palang inocente….
The relentless pursuit to jail Lacson by the past and present administration because of Gloria’s vendetta ideal is sense of justice misplaced.
Good Lord! No wonder this nation is still mired in shit!
bt elements of the past and present administrations because of Gloria’s vendetta ideal is sense of justice misplaced.
we are in fact a mafia country….as the diminutive president have done to this country,,,,
i believe in pnoy ,,, then, i am begining to have doubts due to his palpak appointee…
justice de lima,,,,go for people who have ransack this country and is still laughing…prove your not a glorias people… bakit takot ka din ba kay mini me….or may payola ka din///
lacson is not a priority,, he did not waste a single centavo of this country….
Excellent point!!!
Tangnang Gloria! The woman has been a walking disaster for the country’s political apparatus and judicial system… And what’s so goddamn incredbile is that despite her blatant disregard for all that’s decent, there’s still a vast portion of the political system that supports her.
And people who we were led to believe have a better sense of discernment and dignity, honour, moral courage, still cater to the whims of this ugly woman! Just unbelievable!