Aquino upset by DFA statement on Malaysia’s human rights violations

AFP NewsMohd Rasfan. From Yahoo. - Residents of Tanjung Labian flee their village, in the area where Filipino gunmen are locked in a stand-off with Malaysian security forces, in Sabah state, on March 10, 2013.

Fleeing residents of Tanjung Labian flee their village in the area where Filipino gunmen are locked in a stand off with Malaysian security forces in Sabah state on March 10-2013. AFP-News Mohd Rasfan. From Yahoo.
In the press conference of Justice Secretary Leila de Lima in Malacañang yesterday on the arrest of 35 armed men from Sabah, she was asked why the government is quick on acting against the people associated with the Lahad Datu standoff and is not acting on reports on maltreatment by Malaysians of Filipinos in Sabah.

De Lima justified the glaring difference in their reactions to the fact the armed men believed to be members of the Royal Security Force of the Sultan of Sulu were intercepted by the Philippine Navy in the high seas of Tawi-Tawi with firearms and deadly weapons which is a violation of the Comelec gun ban.
She skipped the second part of the question and the reporter did not follow it up.

Reliable information we got from Malacañang explains why De Lima, formerly chairperson of the Human Rights Commission, kept quiet on the issue of gross human rights violations by Malaysia against Filipinos in Sabah.

A source said President Aquino was upset that the Department of Foreign Affairs, which got involved only in the Sabah issue on the third week of the crisis (Malacanang considered it a domestic issue and involved only the Department of Interior and Local Government and the Department of Justice), issued a statement last Sunday expressing “grave concern (on) the alleged rounding up of community members of Suluk/Tausug descent in Lahad Datu and other areas in Sabah and the alleged violations of human rights reported in the media by some Filipinos who arrived in Sulu and Tawi-Tawi from Sabah.”

The DFA said “The allegations are alarming and should be properly and immediately addressed by concerned authorities.”

The DFA pleaded for access to Filipinos being held “in several locations in Sabah but outside the ‘Ops Daulat’ area,” …to enable them to fulfill their mission which is to provide humanitarian and consular assistance to Filipinos who have been affected by the incident. This was rejected by Malaysia.

Malaysia only allowed Philippine embassy officials in the evacuation centers. Malaysia has also ignored Philippine request for a Philippine Navy ship to dock in Sabah to fetch Filipinos fleeing from abusive Malaysian authorities and the request for a human corridor to allow women and children non-combatants to use.

Take note that Aquino, who had strong words against Jamalulu Kiram III, never said anything about Malaysia’s maltreatment of Filipinos. It was only Deputy Presidential Spokesperson Abigail Valte who said last Sunday, in answer to a question, “these reports are unacceptable.”

Two days after, she followed it up with a requirement that the Department of Social Welfare and Development needs a “ written statement.” She added that media interviews are not enough. “Hindi lang ‘yung basta-basta magpapa-interview—pero ‘yung talagang magsasabing, ‘Ito po ‘yung nangyari, willing po akong magbigay ng statement at pumirma na ito po ‘yung aking nasaksihan’,” she said.

One wonders why is the President, in the midst of Malaysia’s pambabastos, he is still so careful not to offend Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak.

The answer is in the announcement of Presidential Adviser for Peace Process Ging Deles and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front that peace talks, being brokered by Malaysia, will resume next week in Kuala Lumpur.

Deles has been quoted earlier that the Sabah crisis would not affect the peace talks with the MILF.

Over 60 dead and business as usual?

March 15, 2013 10:42 am  Tags: ,   Posted in: Foreign Affairs

106 Responses

  1. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 15, 2013 11:00 am

    Tell Deles, the Tausugs are waiting for her in Patikul and they are excited to shake her hands…away from their elbow sockets with their sharpened kris blades.

  2. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 15, 2013 11:01 am

    Uy lumusot. Pwede na mag post!

  3. Ellen - March 15, 2013 12:14 pm

    Hi Tongue, yes. Pwede na ulit. Bem, our we administrator, is changing the theme. Parang gusto ko yata ang dati.

  4. Ellen - March 15, 2013 12:15 pm

    What do you think, Tongue. But hindi pa ito final.

  5. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 15, 2013 1:18 pm

    I don’t know, but from here, it’s still the old theme. Si Bem ba yung wifey ni…?

  6. Ellen - March 15, 2013 1:48 pm

    Bem is a guy. The IT genius of Magdalo. He and his wife, an accountant, have set up their own firm representing a European IT firm. Para daw Oracle.

    Sobrang busy na nga siya. Sabi namin, when you were in detention, mas madali makipag-meet sa ‘yo.

  7. manuelbuencamino - March 15, 2013 4:35 pm

    How many Filipinos were maltreated/abused by malaysian authorities? How were they abused? What is the nature of their physical injuries? Were the abuses related to the Kiram misadventure or were they abuses that occur whenever Malaysia does its regular round-up of illegals?

    We need to sort things out before we draw conclusions that conflate the Lahad Datu misadventure with other issues so we don’t become victims of propaganda that glorifies the Kirams at everyone’s expense. Those Kirams have already succeeded in conflating their personal interest and well-being with the national interest and well-being. Pati ba naman itong mga biktima ng abuses eh gagamitin din nila to advance their personal agenda?

  8. Gabriela - March 15, 2013 4:45 pm

    OO nga naman. Kayong mga kinaladkad ng mga Malaysian Security Forces, mga ginapos (as seen in pictures) kailangan sworn statement.

    Kung wala kayong sworn statement. Manigas kayo.

    Yung mga pinatay, pasensya na kayo. Kailangan ni Pnoy at deles peace agreement. As mar Roxas said, ang tigas kasi ng ulo nyo.

  9. manuelbuencamino - March 15, 2013 5:01 pm

    #8 . Oo nga naman bakit hindi tayo maniwala na lang sa lahat ng sinasabi sa atin ng media? Bigyan din natin ng pagtingin ang unverified reports para ng sa ganun ay may hanap buhay din ang mga propagandista na nag susupply ng inpormasyon. Kawawa naman sila kung lagi na lang tayo hihingi ng proof.

  10. chi - March 15, 2013 9:34 pm

    Na-upset na si Noynoy sa DFA dahil sa katabilan. Bakit nga ba hindi na lang sya ang personal na makipaghuntahan kay pareng Razak at ng walang mali sa palitan-dila nilang dalawa?

  11. Ellen - March 15, 2013 9:40 pm

    This is Fel Jaramillo Rosario’s comment in Facebook on Valte’s statement on sowrn statement from those who say they were maltreated in Sabah:

    “I am gnashing my teeth! Is she aware that it is the job of our embassies to look into matters like this in their respective host countries? Take them to task, they should be sending reliable infos and status reports.”

  12. Ellen - March 15, 2013 9:44 pm

    Kumambyo na ng konti ang Malacañang. The DSWD daw will be the one to verify the reports published in media. They will talk daw those two people quoted in media.

    Mabuti naman.

    The government has an extensive machinery to gather information. You have the local government. The military, PNP, intelligence units of different agencies. They can mobilize those to find out the truth. If they want to find out the truth.IF.

  13. LCsiao - March 15, 2013 10:51 pm

    ^ Hehehe… Nung isang araw pa yata sinabi ni Dinky Doo yan ah. Ang problema kasi, mukhang di nila kayang harapin ang katotohanan na kahit anong pag-so-sort pa ang gawin nila sa mga abuse cases na para bang a la thesis, ang abuso ay abuso pa rin. At yung pag-pa-patay malisya nila ay karagdagang abuso pa sa mga biktimang ito dahil lalong tumatapang ang mga nagpapatupad nito.

  14. LCsiao - March 15, 2013 10:54 pm

    Btw, Ellen, do you have an inside story on the Mar Roxas-Esmail Kiram II press con last Mar 11? Was it a Palace damage control move that went pfft?

  15. manuelbuencamino - March 15, 2013 11:25 pm

    Yan maltreatment ay alleged lang hanggang maberipika. Kaya inatasan ang DSWD para mag verify.

    Kasi DSWD din ang may capacidad tumulong sa mga biktima. Anong alam ng military, pulis, intelligence agencies sa pag handle ng psychological trauma ng mga biktima?

    Mahirap basta gumalaw batay lang sa media reports ng alleged torture. Isipin na lang natin kung si Aquino tinawagan si Razak tungkol dun sa sa picture ng mga pinugutan ng ulo na hindi naman pala mga Pilipino o Malaysian. At saka yun picture nung pinapalo ng yantok. Hindi din pala Pilipino yun pinapalo. Pero ayan nagkalat sa media. Akala natin totoo, propaganda lang pala.

    Kaya verify first before we open our mouth and start pointing figures condemning people. Let’s allow them to do their job and then kung nagkulang o pawarde-warde yun trabahong verification at assistance to victims we have reason to complain. .

    Let’s not shoot first and ask questions later. Less emotion and more sobriety is called for during times of crisis.

  16. vic - March 16, 2013 12:00 am

    In every armed and violent conflict there will be always individuals or groups of individuals that will be Displaced and Human Rights violations is also the consequence of armed conflicts…and it is true on both sides…there will be investigation and verification of allegations of any violation of the rules of engagement and of the Human Rights and until then, any reports that can not be in any way verified or supported by any evidence is not enough to condemn any participant of the conflicts…And many messengers already jumped the gun and that only pouring gasoline to the already raging fire…and will cause more Panic on many and their concern will be exploited by those with INTEREST in the conflicts…and many messengers of the News can also be parties of INTEREST! Is is no longer news or new..

  17. saxnviolins - March 16, 2013 6:52 am

    Ayaw paniwalaan ang interview? Sworn statement ang gusto?

    Fine.

    Print a transcript of the interview and have it signed by the interviewee before the Mayor or Governor, who will administer the oath. So now you have converted your interview into a sworn statement.

    You can do this for future interviews.

  18. saxnviolins - March 16, 2013 7:49 am

    How about a counter-conspiracy theory?

    Here is one from a former DFA head.

    philstar.com/opinion/2013/03/16/920239/another-tale-woes-yet-hope-over-sabah

    Hermes Dorado, former head of the Department of Foreign Affairs national territory division, caused a stir last Tuesday by claiming that President Aquino’s parents — the martyr-hero Ninoy Aquino and former President Cory — had played significant roles in turning the Sabah claim into a “national tragedy”. Specifically he said:

    1. Before flying to Manila (where he was assassinated on the tarmac) on August 21, 1983, Ninoy had met with Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir and promised to drop the Philippine claim over Sabah (filed with the International Court of Justice in 1963 by President Diosdado Macapagal) in exchange for Mahathir’s support in ousting the Marcos dictatorship.

    2. After becoming president in 1986, “desperately need(ing) the support of the ASEAN for legitimizing her ‘People Power’ Revolution,” Cory gave in to Mahathir’s demand to amend Article I of the 1973 Constitution, by deleting the reference to Sabah as part of Philippine territory. She allegedly delegated the task to a senator and a member of the Constitutional Commission that she had created to draft a new charter.

    These factors explain why, Dorado pointed out, the P-Noy government was reluctant to support the Sabah claim.

    The former DFA official spoke at a forum on Sabah at UP Diliman.

  19. chi - March 16, 2013 7:58 am

    #17. Ganun lang pala kadali pinaiikot pa ng Palasyo.

    #18. Sana pirmahan din yan ni Dorado. :) Pinatay kaagad ang kwento, nabasa ko lang isang araw wala ng follow up ang media. Sayang, ganda pa namang counter-conspiracy theory.

  20. olan - March 16, 2013 10:10 am

    Still can’t believed the position of our government on this Sabah issue, more importantly when protecting Filipino citizens. I think our government will have a hard time making people believed especially those from the Muslim community that they are here to help. I’m not a Muslim but felt betrayed and at the same time insulted by their friends, the Malaysian government! This could have been handled on equal footing with the Malaysian! Why not? Effort seems lacking. Anyway, what can one expect when we pinoys are treated as an export commodity by our own government or when 74 percent of our economic gains went to only to 40 families of our country!

  21. olan - March 16, 2013 10:24 am

    We pinoys should demand more about real representation in our government. Come 2016 when we elect a new president on the assumption it will be Roxas and binay? Are we really voting for someone who would protect our national interest considering the background of both personality when it comes to dealing with the ruling class.. I thought that we are selecting from candidates who are one of the same? I guess another candidate should come up this early.. Real candidate of choice. Some may think my comments or opinions is not in line with the issues discuss here.. My apologies it just that my thoughts of the many problems we are encountering right now goes back to the same group of people leading us!

  22. LCsiao - March 16, 2013 11:34 am

    Pagdating diyan sa pagkalap ng impormasyon ukol sa pang-aabuso ng Malaysian authorities…

    ika nga, kung gusto, may paraan; kung ayaw, may dahilan.

  23. LCsiao - March 16, 2013 11:38 am

    chi, papatayin siyempre nila ang kwento, lalo na’t bayani at santa ng mga dilaw ang sangkot diyan sa katrayduran sa Sabah.

  24. LCsiao - March 16, 2013 3:16 pm

    Naku! Baka mapa-Thank you pa si AbNoy sa Malaysia nito:

    MALAYSIA TO PHL: YOU HAVE THREE DAYS TO CLAIM YOUR DEAD IN SABAH
    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/299540/news/nation/malaysia-to-phl-you-have-three-days-to-claim-your-dead-in-sabah

  25. MPRivera - March 16, 2013 6:46 pm

    “………..Parang gusto ko yata ang dati.” – ellen

    eh, talaga namang mas malamig sa mata at pakiramdam ang pagkakagawa ng dating bahay.

    mas komportable sa kahit sino mang bisita.

  26. MPRivera - March 16, 2013 6:50 pm

    LCsiao, agree.

    kung talagang gugustuhin ay NAPAKARAMING paraan. subalit, dahil ayaw nga at nasusupot NAPAKARAMING dahilan!

    ‘tangna, ganyan pala ang anak ng mga iniidolong champions of domocracy. sobrang CRAZY!

    wala kasing inatupag kundi maglaro nang maglaro tuloy laging puyat at nawawala sa huwisyo!

  27. MPRivera - March 16, 2013 6:52 pm

    tongue,

    kapag pumunta ‘yang si deles sa patikul ay uurong ‘yan at magmumukhang DILIS!

    hindi na kailangan pang tagain, TITIRISIN na lang!

  28. Ellen - March 16, 2013 7:17 pm

    MR, try muna natin ito. Baga naninibago lang. Hindi pa fully functional ito ha. Marami pang ayusin.

  29. saxnviolins - March 16, 2013 8:59 pm

    Pag walang number ang comment Ellen mahirap sundan, kung may sasagot sa comment.

  30. chi - March 16, 2013 10:14 pm

    Hi Ellen, nawala ang numbering sana pwedeng mag-reply kaagad sa comment ng particular poster para tuloy-tuloy ang daloy ng diskusyon.

  31. chi - March 16, 2013 10:17 pm

    olan: “… Anyway, what can one expect when we pinoys are treated as an export commodity by our own government or when 74 percent of our economic gains went to only to 40 families of our country!..”

    O, di ba masyadong maganda ang ‘kanilang investment sa Malaysia”, while they don’t have to worry about the economy, the OFWs are taking care of that.

  32. chi - March 16, 2013 10:19 pm

    LCsiao March 16, 2013 at 11:38 am

    chi, papatayin siyempre nila ang kwento, lalo na’t bayani at santa ng mga dilaw ang sangkot diyan sa katrayduran sa Sabah.

    Kitang-kita ang interes mula’t-sapul.

  33. chi - March 16, 2013 10:21 pm

    LCsiao March 16, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Naku! Baka mapa-Thank you pa si AbNoy sa Malaysia nito:

    MALAYSIA TO PHL: YOU HAVE THREE DAYS TO CLAIM YOUR DEAD IN SABAH

    Baka magpadala pa ng flowers kay pareng Najib, :)

  34. Ellen - March 16, 2013 10:42 pm

    SNV, Chi, I asked my web administrator to restore the number. Work in progress pa ito. Thanks for your comments. I’m relaying them to web admin.

  35. patria adorada - March 17, 2013 2:43 am

    waaaaa ende na ako love ni Miss Ellen, nawawala na naman mga comments ko huhuhuhuh

  36. chi - March 17, 2013 5:01 am

    Thanks you, Ellen.

  37. chi - March 17, 2013 5:02 am

    Thank you, pwede na rin… many thanks. :)

  38. Ellen - March 17, 2013 8:49 am

    Pat, wala naman naka-pending. Pasensya na muna at hindi pa ito complteley naaayos.

  39. baycas2 - March 17, 2013 11:44 am

    Ma’am Ellen,

    Web page is faster to load for me. That alone is good enough by my standard.

    I’ll wait for the return of the numbering for easier reference to comments. That will be a bonus treat…

    Still, congrats to a revitalized blog!

  40. baycas2 - March 17, 2013 11:47 am

    In relation to Alan Robles’s Sabah quiz at abscbndotcom:

    Continuing from where the quiz left off, my number 17 was posted at #10.1 in http://raissarobles.com/2013/03/07/the-best-time-to-laugh-is-when-tensions-are-high/#comment-101985 .

    Going further at…

    (18) Which statement is true regarding a Sabah conspiracy?
    a. A politically-motivated conspiracy was hatched against Pilipinas and Malaysian governments since its an election year for both countries.
    b. Even before statement A, British and Malaysian federation conspired to own North Borneo, now known as Sabah.
    c. Long before statements A and B, the Sultans of yore conspired to own and share piecemeal the land called North Borneo, now known as Sabah.

  41. baycas2 - March 17, 2013 12:01 pm

    Re: “Which statement is true regarding a Sabah conspiracy?

    The PNoy government itself is the mouthpiece of Statement A.

    Reference to Statement B is here:

    http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Opinion&title=Lutong-makaw&id=67205

  42. baycas2 - March 17, 2013 12:01 pm

    While reference to Statement C is here:

    http://www.bt.com.bn/golden-legacy/2013/03/07/sabah-and-sulu-claims

  43. vic - March 17, 2013 12:50 pm

    Now the way I look at it, Malaysia will not give up it Sovereignty of Sabah without losing a war or Sabahans itself becoming INDEPENDENT and decided their own Fate…or if the Govt of the Phl still wanted to Pursue any claim and go to the International Court for Arbitration with the condition for both countries to accept the Rulings…otherwise the Sultanate armed Struggles will just cause more tragedies…Financially, the Sultan, his Heirs (sounds like the British Monarchy) can only pursue for better annual remuneration, which the original amount was quite generous in its time, but in this Day amount to less than PEANUTS.

  44. Ellen - March 17, 2013 2:37 pm

    Heto na naman. Dahil napaggalitan sila last Sunday, heto na ang linya ng DFA:

    http://ph.news.yahoo.com/why-dfa-can-t-push-malaysia-to-react-on-human-rights-abuses-110547228.html

    DFA said the burden of proof (on Malaysian human rights abuses vs Filipinos) is on PH media. Jesus….. The job of media is to report as truthfully as it can of what is happening. The government can take up from there, IF they want to protect and do justice to their citizens. They have the whole government machinery to do that. If they find it problematic to protect their citizens, that’s their burden. Huwag nila ipasa sa media.

  45. LCsiao - March 17, 2013 4:32 pm

    Tanong marahil ni AbNoy:

    “Ano nga yun? The buck stops where???”

  46. vic - March 17, 2013 4:35 pm

    Ellen, that is soo true that it is always the Government responsibility to pursue the real story behind all the allegations made against it or to any human rights violation or any issue that concern the interest of its Nationals…And the Media more often that not, do a Better Job than the any government in prodding the Government or its instrumentalities to do the Job…with persistent and convincing investigative reporting, any Government will be shamed not to do anything in its power to resolve the issues…And I can give as many example that otherwise the Biggest and most scandalous incident of our history could have not been uncovered without the MEDIA…the Biggest of them all is the Sponsorship Scandal…it was the Reporter of Globe and Mail who first exposed the scandal and his persistent, thru the FOI to uncovered the Corruption in Quebec that cost the Liberal the Govt…Just ongoing now, the Toronto Star, just exposed the Province Biggest Scandal, that contributed to the Premier Quitting and giving way to the First Woman Premier of Ontario and also the First Open Gay Premier…the Scandal affecting the province Air Ambulance Service..It was the Series of Toronto Star exposure that lead to the Investigation and the resignations and firing of top levels CEOs and hospitals officials and ii is still ongoing…The Government with its power will always attempt to sweep the dirt under the RAG and if not for the Independent and Fearless Media, it will remain under the Rag…But of Course the government passing the Buck to the Media is unheard of…Usually it will take initiative to do their own investigation separate and distinct from as reported by the Media…(that is why for the last 40 years, I still keep my subscription to the Print copy of Toronto star…it is getting slimmer now except its Saturday edition, its investigative reporting is just very interesting and very convincing and always Proved to be Right on…as reinforced by Inquiries and police probes)

  47. LCsiao - March 17, 2013 4:51 pm

    bay, di kaya kaso lang ng revisionism yung sinulat patungkol sa Statement C? May nabasa kasi ako na may bahagi pa rin ng N Borneo ang naiwan sa kamay Sultan ng Brunei (kahit na ang malaking bahagi nito’y ibinigay na sa Sultan ng Sulu). Kung totoo man ang dokumentong ipinakita, ito siguro ang isang dahilan kung ba’t may dalawang lease agreements.

  48. LCsiao - March 17, 2013 6:07 pm

    May ganitong pakulo pa pala si Dinky Doo:

    PINOYS RETURNING FROM SABAH ARE ‘BALIKBAYAN,’ NOT ‘REFUGEES,’ DSWD CHIEF SAYS
    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/299096/news/nation/pinoys-returning-from-sabah-are-balikbayan-not-refugees-dswd-chief-says

  49. MPRivera - March 17, 2013 6:36 pm

    napakasaklap na bunga ng ating kagustuhang magkaroon ng mas matinong pinuno. halos isuka natin noon si goyang, ‘langya ang ating ipinalit ay MAS lalong hindi gustong humarap sa katotohanan.

    ano ang sabi niya? mas pinagtutuunan niya ng pansin ang kapakanan ng mas nakararami kaysa iilan katulad ng hakbang na ginawa ng mga kiram, di ba?

    paanong mapapangalagaan niya ang interes ng karamihan KUNG ‘yun ngang hinaing ng kokonti ay hindi niya kayang pakinggan at bigyan ng karampatang solusyon?

    hindi naman tayo humihingi sa kanya ng sobra sobra, eh. tama na sa atin ‘yung magpakita siya ng malasakit sa mas higit na dapat niyang pangalagaan, ‘yun pa kayang mas nakararami pa?

    aminin na niya – MAS kiling siya sa mga katulad niyang MAKUWARTA!

    kung hindi ba naman, nasaan siya palagi ngayon? hindi ba’t kabuntot ng mga nangangampanya niyang kapatrido na HINDI naman lahat ay may malasakit sa nakakarami?

    ang alam ko sa isang presidente ay MAS unang hinaharap ang kapakanan ng taong bayan at hindi ‘yung lumalabas na campaign manager ng kanyang mga kakampi.

    tsk. tsk.. tsk.

    bayan ko, kailan ka pa makakaahon sa lusak?

  50. MPRivera - March 17, 2013 6:45 pm

    “MR, try muna natin ito…..”

    ano pa nga ba ang magagawa kundi ang magtiyagang pumanhik panaog at bumalik sa main door ng bahay upang makapasok sa bawat kuwarto kahit sinusumpong ang reyuma sa paghingal?

    pero apresiyet nga dahil napakadaling buksan ang pinto nito ngayon.

    kunggratyuleysion!

  51. MPRivera - March 17, 2013 7:02 pm

    while we are being looked down by our very own leaders, here’s a consoling good news:

    Prince Faisal commends Filipino work ethic

    http://arabnews.com/news/445047

  52. MPRivera - March 17, 2013 7:06 pm

    kung animo’y hayup ang trato sa ating mga kababayan sa sabah ng mga malaysian ganito naman kung tratuhin at ituring natin ang mga alaga nating aso:

    http://www.abante.com.ph/issue/mar1713/default.htm

  53. saxnviolins - March 17, 2013 8:18 pm

    Problematic din itong feature na ito – 50 comments lang per page. Kapag nag-discussion, at ibig mong sumagot sa comment number 10 halimbawa, palipat-lipat ka pa ng page.

  54. chi - March 17, 2013 9:43 pm

    DFA said the burden of proof (on Malaysian human rights abuses vs Filipinos) is on PH media. – Ellen

    Doble dobleng Hesus!!!

    Grabeng kaengotan linyang galing sa DFA considered the most elite among the gov’t departments. Mag- Noynoyan na lang kayo!

  55. Ellen - March 18, 2013 12:03 am

    Agree, Snv> I’ll tell my web admin kung pwede hindi putulin yung comments.

  56. baycas2 - March 18, 2013 4:16 am

    A glimpse of the Malaysian point of view
    Part 1:

    http://stuartsantiago.com/lutong-makaw/#comment-523252

  57. baycas2 - March 18, 2013 4:17 am

    A glimpse of the Malaysian point of view
    Part 2:

    http://stuartsantiago.com/lutong-makaw/#comment-523253

  58. baycas2 - March 18, 2013 4:19 am

    To sum up in one sentence, Malaysia’s policy towards Sabah (formerly North Borneo) is:

    Malaysia has considered dispute over Sabah and a few disputed islands in the Spratlys, e.g., Layang-Layang Island to have been solved.

    - Salleh, 2009

    http://www.academicjournals.org/jlcr/pdf/pdf2009/oct/salleh%20et%20al.pdf

    In the same document, there was reference to these statements:

    Following the formation of Malaysia on September 16, 1963, with the original Malaysian government having previously acceded to the UNCLOS I treaties of 1958 on December 21, 1960 Malaysia adopted its Continental Shelf Act on July 28, 1966 and later proclaimed its twelve nm territorial sea on August 2, 1969.*

    [*Sabah is located in the northern part of the Borneo Island. Sabah joined the Federation of Malaysia in 1963. Following the inclusion of Sabah, the Malaysian government had redrawn Sabah’s territorial waters and continental shelf in order to endorse the 1954 British declaration of Sabah’s east coast waters as historic waters so as to comply with UNLCOS I treaties of 1958.]

  59. baycas2 - March 18, 2013 4:26 am

    HTML tag [blockquote] not working…

  60. LCsiao - March 18, 2013 1:03 pm

    In a nutshell, Malaysia’s position is one of TOTAL DENIAL.

  61. baycas2 - March 18, 2013 1:48 pm

    That’s why I made this comment before…

    [”baycas2 March 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    xxxxx

    Also, The ICJ is the way to go…

    @TonGue and @LC, please start your counter-arguments to Malaysian’s point of view here:

    icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/10809.pdf?PHPSESSID=5c19dbe8e80c861d3384398fb1043fca”]

    http://www.ellentordesillas.com/2013/03/02/aquino-kay-kiram-surrender-no-condition/

    Now, let’s see if Malaysian’s viewpoint that the ICJ had recognized is one tough NUT to crack or not based on your proofs.

    We shall wait for your counter-arguments.

  62. baycas2 - March 18, 2013 1:50 pm

    Ito pa…”know thy enemy”, ‘di ba?

    Legalities that Pilipinas must hurdle (as posted by @Rene-Ipil over at raissaroblesdotcom):

    http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=66961:12-reasons-why-philippines-cant-claim-sabah&Itemid=2

  63. LCsiao - March 18, 2013 1:55 pm

    Ang alam kong caveat diyan ay WALANG naisumiteng kahit na anong dokumento ang Pinas (Magallona et al.) sa ICJ dahil ayaw tayong bigyan ng Indonesia at Malaysia ng kani-kanilang kopya ng pleadings.

    So yang sinasabing NUT ay pwede pa ring biyakin on the ground of insufficiency of evidence at that time.

  64. LCsiao - March 18, 2013 2:01 pm

    Diyan sa “12 reasons” ni Christopher Leong, disputed nga yung points 2 and 3 niya eh, pati na yung mga tungkol sa dinoktor at railroaded “referendum.” So these are not well-established hurdles that the Philippines must hurdle.

  65. LCsiao - March 18, 2013 2:05 pm

    Mukhang lumilihis na tayo sa human rights violations ng Malaysia. Pero, anyway…

    I-share ko lang ang ilang snippets ng nabasa ko:

    “Sabah as part of the Philippines may be an unthinkable idea now, but it is not at all impossible.

    “There is too much hype about Sabah being part of Malaysia. It is all propaganda. It is unthinkable that a native Christian from Sabah would ever become prime minister of Malaysia. But a Sabahan can become president of the Philippines if the state is part of that republic.

    “Malaysia has clearly failed in Sabah and Sarawak after 47 years…

    “If a choice must be made between Malaysia and the Philippines for practical reasons, the former is certainly no option for Sabah, with its poor record in the two Borneo states despite the passage of nearly half a century.

    “There is definitely a case here for the UN Security Council to step in.”

    http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2011/01/01/why-fear-a-referendum-in-sabah/

  66. saxnviolins - March 18, 2013 7:26 pm

    Did you read the title baycas? It is Malaysia’s comments to the motion to intervene of the Philippines. This was a Malaysia versus Indonesia case. Ang Lupang Hiniran wanted to intervene.

    Basics. When a motion to intervene is denied, it only means the court wants the case to be a two-way fight, not a three way fight. It is not ruling on the claims of the Philippines. In other words, the court is saying, if you want to fight them, sue them each, the ruling here will only be with regard to the claims of Indonesia against Malaysia, without prejudice to the Philippines claiming against the winner.

    The case is also only about two islands, not mainland Sabah. Read the first paragraph.

    On page 11, Malaysia states that the islands in dispute are nine miles off the coast of mainland Borneo. The grant of the Sultan of Sulu to Baron Overbeck was for islands within nine miles Borneo. So that is the dispute between the Philippines and Malaysia. Our dispute with Malaysia does not include islands not granted to Overbeck.

    Any dismissal of our motion to intervene is not a ruling on our claim.

    The Philippines was only trying to outmanuever Malaysia. Malaysia does not want to face the Philippines before the ICJ, so the Philippines sought to intervene, because Malaysia was already before the courts. But as Malaysia stated, the issue before the court was simply the ownership of islands not included in the grant of the Sultan of Sulu to Overbeck. So the Philippines was actually trying to intervene and amplify the issues.

    Nice try, but it was bound to fail.

    Now I wonder who got to bill the Philippines for the motion to intervene.

    As to your issue of self-determination. Note page 31, from the SEc Gen of the UN stated that there was no reference to a referendum or plebiscite in the request to him. There were only consultations done.

  67. saxnviolins - March 18, 2013 7:31 pm

    Read Rosenne’s “The World Court” found on google books.

    The ICJ stated that the Philippines will not be bound by the ruling on the merits of the case of Malaysia v Indonesia.

  68. LCsiao - March 18, 2013 10:21 pm

    sax,

    Here’s Joseph Lariosa’s article on the Sipadan-Ligatan case:

    ICJ RULES OUT MALAYSIA’S CLAIM ON SABAH
    http://www.philippinedailymirror.com/index.php/opinion/columnists/joseph-g.-lariosa/icj-rules-out-malaysia-s-claim-on-sabah.html

    What’s your take on it?

  69. LCsiao - March 18, 2013 10:52 pm

    Wow! Mukhang nabuang na si AbNoy…

    AQUINO LIKENS SABAH ‘CONSPIRATORS’ TO MARCOS
    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/299854/news/nation/aquino-likens-sabah-conspirators-to-marcos

    NOYNOY INSISTS JABIDAH MASSACRE TRUE, WANTS IT IN HISTORY BOOKS
    http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/item/11884-noynoy-insists-jabidah-massacre-true-wants-it-in-history-books.html

    MASSACRE OR MYTH?
    http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/headlines-mt/43720-massacre-or-myth

  70. baycas2 - March 19, 2013 12:03 am

    Sax,

    Didn’t I used the word “glimpse”.

    LCsiao “expertly” puts it in a nutshell of a Malaysian DENIAL.

    Point is…STANDOFF will remain a standoff…not a wishful thought of a SIT DOWN.

    P to M, “We should TALK.” M to P, “As far as we’re concerned, Sabah dispute OVER and done with!”

    Sulu OWNS Sabah, Spain RENOUNCED.

    Pilipinas owned ALL, Sulu owned northeastern PART.

    Pilipinas CLAIMS, Malaysia DENIES.

    Pilipinas to ICJ, Malaysia OUT.

    Referendum NONE, Survey = SELF-DETERMINATION.

    LEASE yes; No, CESSION.

    And so on, and so forth.

    Never-ending standoff…

  71. baycas2 - March 19, 2013 12:04 am

    “Didn’t I use the word ‘glimpse’?

  72. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 19, 2013 12:27 am

    Ellen,there’s a lot of available real estate on your site. There are spaces in the right column that your designer can allot for a few improvements and stimulate more reader activity.

    1. A list of the latest 10 blog entries. (Better than the “Previous” and “Next” links which limit navigation choices to only 2 pages.)

    2. A list showing the last 10 comments on any topic arranged chronologically. (Important
    where a heated exchanges are happening in some pages, those involved are informed right away if a response has been made.)

    3. List of related blogposts as to tags.(Readers can review and compare to relevant events, ideas, sentiments, etc from the past with the present)

  73. Ellen - March 19, 2013 12:54 am

    Thanks, Tongue. I’ve relayed 1 and 2 to our web administrator.

    I think # 3., I would have to do it manually.

  74. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 19, 2013 1:19 am

    Tiglao on Jabidah:

    Massacre or Myth?

    Ninoy did not expose ‘Jabidah massacre,’ he even doubted it.

    Contrary to many accounts, senator Benigno Aquino Jr. did not expose the so-called Jabidah massacre 45 years ago today, which the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) exploited to the hilt to rally Muslims to its secessionist cause.

    What he revealed to the world, and asked for a stop to, was the clandestine plan of his archenemy president Ferdinand Marcos to train and send Muslim commandos to Sabah to organize a revolt against Malaysia, the first step for the Philippines to take over the territory.

    This conclusion is incontrovertible based on the late senator’s privileged speech on March 28, 1968 titled: Jabidah! Special Forces of Evil?…

  75. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 19, 2013 1:22 am

    Oops, wala palang blockquote. Next time italicize ko na lang yung long quotes. Pero mas maganda yung dating may colored block para naman igalang ng commenters yung original authors ng mga quotes. Kailangan merong attribution.

  76. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 19, 2013 1:38 am

    Nakupo eto na naman. Kung peke pala yung Jabidah Massacre theory (Note: haka haka lang pala) nung lone survivor kuno, ano itong 45th year commemoration na pinangunahan pa ni Noynoy? I think the records in the Senate will bear Tiglao out on this.

    Noynoy may have just contradicted Ninoy in leading the rites of the imagined massacre which may never have happened in the first place. The gullible president must start firing his subalterns now.

  77. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 19, 2013 2:01 am

    Hindi kaya ito ang dahilan kung bakit feeling close si Noynoy kay Mahathir?

    Mahathir Mohamad on the one hand is using Ibrahim Ali to stoke up the Malay sentiments’ anti-drinking, anti-everything for his return to power, while on the other using his son Mirzan to buy Esso Malaysia using San Miguel’s beer drinking money.

  78. saxnviolins - March 19, 2013 3:18 am

    The subordinates may have been incompetent, but that could have been averted by a discerning Boss. He could have said, tingnan niyo nga kung may privilege speech ang Tatay ko, at kung may copya pa sa Senate archives.

    Siya ang last touch sa usaping ito, so he has nobody to blame but himself. He may fire the dumbkopfs, but if he does not shape up, he will keep allowing dumbkopfs to trip him.

    Makes me wonder. During all the years noynoying as a senator, did he not have any curiosity for the much storied privilege speeches of his Dad? I would have asked for the transcripts of all speeches, and would have known more about why many remember his Dad as l’enfant terrible and archnemesis of Macoy.

  79. saxnviolins - March 19, 2013 8:38 am

    baycas:

    Here are the original documents:

    Decision of the ICJ denying the Philippines’ request to intervene.

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/7698.pdf

    The court took cognizance of the argument of both Malaysia and Indonesia, that the dispute is about two islands that the Philippines has no claim on. The court also agreed with Indonesia that the Philippines wanted to introduce an issue not presented in the case between Malaysia and Indonesia. Issues to be resolved by the ICJ are agreed upon by the contending parties.

    Below is our application for intervention:

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/7179.pdf

    And here is the oral argument:

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/4717.pdf?PHPSESSID=7df6f0a9c89b5da5b8419b915f4a6587

    The Philippine side was represented by

    Professor Merlin Magallona.

    Dr. Peter Payoyo – batchmate of Marvic Leonen, and also an academic. Batchmate din nila si Lou Tancinco of TFC.

    Michael Reisman of Yale.

  80. saxnviolins - March 19, 2013 8:40 am

    Awaiting moderation an naman? Tanggalin ko nga ang mga w.

    baycas:

    Here are the original documents:

    Decision of the ICJ denying the Philippines’ request to intervene.

    icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/7698.pdf

    The court took cognizance of the argument of both Malaysia and Indonesia, that the dispute is about two islands that the Philippines has no claim on. The court also agreed with Indonesia that the Philippines wanted to introduce an issue not presented in the case between Malaysia and Indonesia. Issues to be resolved by the ICJ are agreed upon by the contending parties.

    Below is our application for intervention:

    icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/7179.pdf

    And here is the oral argument:

    icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/4717.pdf?PHPSESSID=7df6f0a9c89b5da5b8419b915f4a6587

    The Philippine side was represented by

    Professor Merlin Magallona.

    Dr. Peter Payoyo – batchmate of Marvic Leonen, and also an academic. Batchmate din nila si Lou Tancinco of TFC.

    Michael Reisman of Yale.

  81. LCsiao - March 19, 2013 10:45 am

    Nabuang na nang tuluyan si AbNoy…

    NOYNOY INSISTS JABIDAH MASSACRE TRUE, WANTS IT IN HISTORY BOOKS
    http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/item/11884-noynoy-insists-jabidah-massacre-true-wants-it-in-history-books.html

  82. LCsiao - March 19, 2013 10:47 am

    ^ Tapos may side drama pa si Manolo Quezon tungkol sa pagbibigay ng hustisya sa mga phantom na minasaker.

    Wow! Revisionist drama queen na pala ang papel niya.

  83. Ellen - March 19, 2013 3:52 pm

    Noted all your observations/suggestions for this blog. Marami pang gagawin.

    Bago na photo ko ha.

  84. LCsiao - March 19, 2013 9:43 pm

    SULTANATE BARES SLAY PLOT VS KIRAM

    http://interaksyon.com/article/57475/breaking–sultanate-bares-slay-plot-vs-kiram

  85. LCsiao - March 20, 2013 2:29 pm

    REVISITING THE ‘JABIDAH MASSACRE’ MYTH Pt 2

    http://www.rigobertotiglao.com/2013/03/20/malaysia%E2%80%99s-masterstroke-that-buried-our-sabah-claim/#more-1492

  86. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 20, 2013 3:48 pm

    “INTERAKSYON: A leading opposition party in Malaysia said Agbimuddin Kiram, the crown prince of Sulu who led more than 200 followers to press their claim to Sabah, is a Malaysian citizen and once served as assistant district officer of Kudat, Sabah.

    News article here.

  87. LCsiao - March 20, 2013 4:20 pm

    ^ Kung ganun, e di bawal siyang ituring na ‘intruder’ under Malaysian law.

    Oh, my. And the plot thickens…

    ‘Sulu princess asks PNoy about ties to Johor sultan’

  88. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 20, 2013 5:40 pm

    The deaths were for the wrong reasons! Pero nahihilo na ako. How then do you explain the Kiram clan’s actions? And the Malaysian response to kill their own?

  89. saxnviolins - March 20, 2013 6:12 pm

    The Sultan of Johor lived with them in Boston.

    So that Sultan can confirm or deny the allegation of the former DFA official that Ninoy promised Mahathir that the Sabah claim would be dropped.

    That Sultan can also confirm or deny the Abnoy stories.

  90. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 20, 2013 6:37 pm

    Eto ang possible game changer: Obama Brokering Bid To End Sabah Crisis?

    Kaya lang naman pumayag ang US na isama ang Sabah sa Federal Malaya dahil baka kupkupin sila noon ng Communist Chinese na lumalaki ang influence sa Singapore at sa Malaysia mismo pati na sa buong SEAsia. They looked the other way when the Brits were illegally decolonizing Sabah which was a non-colony. They had to give favors in order to recruit Malaysia to join them in the anti-communist movement. Thus SEATO was born. Pansinin na during this time the British were “decolonizing” Sabah and Singapore while they had extended their hold on Hong Kong and Portugal’s on Macau. Both have now returned to China.

  91. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 20, 2013 6:48 pm

    Ngayong hindi na threat ang Communism at Islamic fundamentalism na ang pumalit kasama na ang emergence ng China as a world power, mas kinakailangan tayo (buong ASEAN) ngayon ng US kagaya noong araw na napahiya si Jawaharlal Nehru sa matinik na si CP Romulo sa Bandung conference kaya siya nag-apologize sa Pilipinjas. Supalpal ang mga maka-Komunistang bansa na nagbalak na impluwensiyahan ang Bandung Conference delegates pabor sa Komunismo. Attendees included the political heavyweights Sukarno, Nehru, Chou En-Lai, Ho Chi-min, Nkrumah of Ghana and Nasser of Egypt among other reps of the mostly newly-democratized Afro-Asian nations. This is what is now known as THIRD WORLD.

    Bandung Conference : At one time in the course of the conference, Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru acidly spoke against the SEATO. Quick to draw, Ambassador Romulo delivered a stinging, eloquent retort that prompted Prime Minister Nehru to publicly apologize to the Philippine delegation. ▪ Records had it that the Philippine delegation ably represented the interests of the Philippines and, in the ultimate analysis, succeeded in turning the Bandung Conference into a democratic victory against the plans of the Communist delegates.

    The diminutive Romulo’s single-handedly defended the Manila Conference (Non-Aligned Movement) against the pressure of recognizing the China solution to the oppressive West which was what Bandung was all about. France had just lost the war to Vietnam and the fresh democracies were ,on ultra nationalist, communist mode. Nerhru has attended few similar conferences and was impressed by the Chinese model.

    Romulo has just saved the world!

  92. TonGuE-tWisTeD - March 20, 2013 7:11 pm

    What is the relevance to the Sabah crisis? The US, especially now that anti and pro communist sentiments have died down, ought to rethink its position on the Sabah issue and other similar issues to ensure its continued influence on ASEAN members who are tempted to cut a deal with China now that US power is weaning in this part of the world. If they do not act now, they will soon find themselves insignificant and out of the picture especially if staunch allies, like the Philippines start wooing the Chinese in consideration for peace and economic and other benefits we don’t get anymore from the US.

    The US can sway the Malaysians on the Sabah issue, they have enough investments in Malaysia that can be used as leverage unlike in Manila, where US business is minimal and are moving elsewhere usually to China, Malaysia, Thailand.and Vietnam.

    From the reaction of Malaysian Foreign Minister Anifah Aman (After a meeting with Sultan Bolkiah who earlier met with Obama) that it will not accept third party to solve the Sabah standoff, we now know what Obama’s instructions to Bolkiah were.

  93. LCsiao - March 20, 2013 10:45 pm

    Kaso dinadaan pa rin ng Malaysia sa tigas ng mukha. Umaasa siguro sila sa kanilang well-funded lobby sa Washington:

    http://www.tribune.net.ph/commentary/item/11615-%E2%80%98malaysiagate%E2%80%99.html

  94. LCsiao - March 20, 2013 10:58 pm

    Winagayway pa pala ni Lacierda yung photo ni Princess Jacel na may hawak na ‘mistaken’ tablet picture ng Sabah casualties. Wala ba sa Malacañang Press Corps ang naglinaw sa kanya na nagkataon lang na pinahawak ito kay Jacel ng mga photogs sa inaakala nilang lahat na galing ito ng Sabah? Di na ba nahihiya si Lacierda sa sarili niya?

  95. LCsiao - March 20, 2013 11:01 pm

    Wow! Medyo hawig din ang TOTAL DENIAL approach ng mga taga-Malacañang sa kanilang Malaysian buddies:

    AFP, MALACAÑANG BRAND AS RUMOR PLOT VS KIRAM
    http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/item/11969-afp-malaca%C3%B1ang-brand-as-rumor-plot-vs-kiram.html

  96. LCsiao - March 20, 2013 11:02 pm

    Ba’t pala ‘wrong reasons,’ TonGuE?

  97. LCsiao - March 20, 2013 11:10 pm

    I just read this about Datu Puing on Facebook:

    ‘A HERO

    ‘If Raja Muda Agbimuddin Kiram, also known by those close to him as Datu Puing, was hell bent on taking Sabah back from the 60s to the 70s… all the more he should be hailed a hero! His likes come once in a lifetime… There’s possibly no chance you will see his likes again. So, we must give him honour while he has not been murdered by Najib’s military with the connivance of His Excellency Benigno S Aquino III, President of the Jaundiced Republic

    ‘Datu Puing served as asst district officer in Sabah during the time of part-Tausug (from Sulu), part Sabahan Tun Mustapha who served as Sabah Chief Minister until he died in a suspicious plane crash accident. Tun Mustapha was said to have been involved in the failed Operation Merdeka back in the 60s.’

  98. LCsiao - March 21, 2013 12:13 pm

    Transcript of Ninoy Aquino’s 1968 Jabidah speech:

    http://www.rigobertotiglao.com/2013/03/18/senator-benigno-aquino-jr-s-jabidah-speech-1968/

    In it, he charged Marcos with ‘careless recruitment in the Tawi-Tawi islands group, a carelessness that opened us to infiltration by the counter-insurgency forces of a neighboring country.’

    Freudian slip?

  99. LCsiao - March 21, 2013 2:36 pm

    Comment ni US Amb Harry Thomas ukol sa Sabah crisis: ‘Not a matter for the United States.’

    Dinagdag pa niya na ‘very pleased’ ang US because ‘the peace agreement between the Philippine government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front was not affected by the Sabah conflict.’

    US KEEPS DISTANCE FROM SABAH CRISIS
    http://www.interaksyon.com/article/57620/us-keeps-distance-from-sabah-crisis

  100. MPRivera - March 21, 2013 6:39 pm

    “……………..Di na ba nahihiya si Lacierda sa sarili niya?” – LCsiao

    dati, meron siyang hiya.

    ngayon ay NUNO siya ng mga WALANG hiya!

  101. olan - March 22, 2013 12:30 am

    Dami naman pala ginawagawa government natin sa nangyayari sa SABAH!
    they WATCH
    they RECORD
    they MONITOR cases
    ngayon naman TRACKING terrorism case…

    How about ENGAGING the Malayasians to protect rights of kapinuyan residing in SABAH?

  102. sai - March 24, 2013 10:03 am

    olan naman, naglagay na nga ng konsulado sa Kota Kinabalu sa Sabah ang Pilipinas kaya may ginagawa naman tsaka nakikipag coordinate na ang CHR dito sa CHR nila duon. di lahat ng Malaysians ay utak pulbura tulad nina Najib at Kiram III :)

    mukhang hindi naman lahat ng Sabah ay sa mga Kiram talaga. parang pag hinati mo sa tatlo, ang interior nito di sakop sa claim ng sultanato. ang gulo. pero sa mga sinasabi nila parang buong Sabah kanila. at kung isasama pa ang pinagsasabi ni Misuari pati Sarawak din ay pag-aari ng mga Tausug. buti na lang nananahimik ang mga pinsan ng Sultan ng Brunei at Indonesia tungkol dito dahil lahat sila may claim :)

    ewan ko sa reliability ng source mo Ellen ha. ba’t di sinabi nang source mo na nung bago magsabi ng “Surrender” speech yang si Aquino eh maraming emisaryo na ipinadala pala para maresolba ang isyu.

    di nga ba may offer na walang kakasuhan basta bumalik lang sa Pilipinas? ba’t walang nasabi ang source mo tungkol dyan? kaya ganun ang tono ata ni Aquino dun sa speech nya kasi lahat ng pinadala nya, isang malaking belat lang ang tugon ni Kiram III. :)

    at sino ang nagtsismis tungkol sa Sultan ng Johor sa Boston? sinong bubwit ni Kiram? si Pastor Grima Wormtongue Saycon ba? :)

    dapat wag nang bigyan ni Jamalul Kiram III ng gag order ang anak nyang si Jacel. tsaka dapat interbyuhin ng interbyuhin si Kiram III at si Grima Wormtongue Saycon. isama na rin si Saruman Misuari. madali kasing magkalat pag di nagsasabi ng totoo.

    sabagay, shariah law ang sinusunod nila di ba? hindi naman Phil Constitution. kaya okay lang na magsinungaling sila sa mga hindi Muslim na katulad din (daw) nilang Pilipino din :)

    ang CHR nag-iimbestiga na dito. mahirap na baka matulad nung dati na may batang babae na Pilipino na minolestya kuno ng mga Malaysian police tapos nung maibalik dito malalaman na lang na Malaysian din pala. dapat sigurado tayo sa mga reports na yan bago pumunta sa ASEAN o UN.

    inamin rin ni Soliman na yung ibang ini-interbyu ay ayaw talaga magreklamo dahil may balak pa silang bumalik ng Sabah. kung di naman kasi nanggulo ang Jamalul Kiram III na yan. di na inisip ang mga Pilipino na nagtratrabaho sa Sabah ng maayos.

    ba’t ba armas ang kailangan dalhin? di na lang napakalaking tarpaulin na nagsasabi na kanila ang Sabah? di ikokondena pa yan ng buong mundo kung pinagbabaril yan ng mga Malaysian forces tapos wala namang armas na dala.

  103. baycas2 - March 25, 2013 9:52 am

    sai said, “mukhang hindi naman lahat ng Sabah ay sa mga Kiram talaga.

    Ito ang kuwentong nakalap ko…

    Overbeck had TWO treaties for North Borneo (Sabah): one from the Sultan of Brunei and another from the Sultan of Sulu. The northern portion (inland) from Brunei and the northeastern region from Sulu.

    Overbeck learned that North Borneo is claimed by the two sultans and in order to secure “the claim” to the whole of North Borneo, concessions between the two claimants must be obtained.

    My comments below Comment No. 4 here:

    http://raissarobles.com/2013/03/21/ways-to-monetize-confessions/#comment-102692

    will bear me out as regards the TWO treaties Overbeck and the Sultans of Brunei and Sulu created.

  104. baycas2 - March 25, 2013 9:53 am

    At Ito pa…

    More inside story on how the British Royal Charter for North Borneo came about here (as written by Ada Pryer, the wife of William Pryer):

    http://raissarobles.com/2013/03/24/i-need-your-advice-guys/#comment-102762
    (my comment starting at No. 14.1)

    William Pryer was designated by Overbeck to “man” the eastern portion (East Commercial Section) of North Borneo. The young man landed in Sandakan Bay on 11 February 1878, immediately after the signing of the Deed of 1878 between Overbeck and the Sultan of Sulu.

  105. baycas2 - March 27, 2013 7:48 am

    If in case there will be an ICJ setting for the Philippine claim to North Borneo in the future, a preview to that may very well be the 2001 ICJ oral proceedings when Pilipinas tried to intervene in the Indonesia-Malaysia dispute.

    Relevant ICJ documents can be accessed here:

    CR 2001/1, CR 2001/2, CR 2001/3 and CR 2001/4

    Some notes in order to know the Pilipnas’ premise as presented in the ICJ:

    - Pilipinas asserts that her sovereignty only started in 1962 when the Sulu Sultanate ceded it to the Pilipinas government

    - Pilipinas asserts that only a portion of North Borneo is involved (only the ones included in the Sulu-Overbeck Grant of 1878)

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