Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV on Tuesday accused high ranking government officials of having a hand in the ambush that killed 14 members of the Philippine Marines on July 10 in Al-Barkah, Basilan, ABS-CBN News reported.
In his proposed Senate Resolution No. 72, Trillanes revealed he received information on the involvement of several high ranking officials of the government.
“Whereas, there have been serious insider information reaching this representation that ranking officials of the government had a direct hand in feeding our own military to the enemies of the state that led to the tragic death of the fourteen members of the marine corps,” Trillanes said.
Trillanes, however, did not identify the “ranking officials”. The resolution did not provide details.
The former Navy officer said it is the government’s responsibility to protect and serve the interests of the people including the military and “definitely not to have them senselessly massacred on purpose”.
Trillanes added that it is the duty of the Senate to determine the true national policy regarding security situation in Mindanao implemented by the Arroyo administration.
The senator urged the Senate to “direct the committee on national defense and security to inquire and investigate in aid of legislation the alleged direct knowledge and involvement of ranking government officials in the recent ambush and mutilation by extremist groups of fourteen soldiers belonging to the Philippine Marine Corps.’
Trillanes said in the resolution that the probe should determine the culpability and liability of the officials held responsible for the ambush.
Senate: No probe
Prior to Trillanes’s proposed resolution, several members of the Senate have agreed to suspend calls for an investigation into so-called operational lapses and equipment defects after the Basilan ambush and recent fighting in Sulu.
Senate President Manuel Villar and Senators Edgardo Angara, Richard Gordon, Francis Pangilinan and Gregorio Honasan, who all attended the National Security Council meeting Tuesday, agreed that politicians should not step in and call a probe into military operations in Mindanao.
They said that no investigation should be done while there is an ongoing offensive and while the military is conducting its own internal probe.
Trillanes’s call came after Sen. Rodolfo Biazon declared that the Senate defense committee will not yet investigate the twin tragedies suffered by the military in Basilan and Sulu.
“Let’s give the defense department and the armed forces a chance to correct the lapses since they themselves admitted the lapses,” said Biazon, chairman of the defense commitee.
Biazon, however, said Trillanes’s proposed resolution has prompted the defense committee to schedule a hearing on the July 10 ambush in Basilan.
“I can only table this scheduled hearing of the resolution if Senator Trillanes will be allowed to attend hearings because he and he alone would know the identity of these ranking government officials,” said Biazon.
Trillanes is currently detained for his alleged involvement with the botched Oakwood mutiny in 2003. With reports from Lynda Jumilla and Jing Castañeda
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Inquirer’s account:Trillanes files resolution on “insider” info
Senator Trillanes…..fight oh!
Heto na ang kinatatakutan ni Gloria, Asspweron, Ermita at Norberto Gonzales! Ibinibisto na sila ni Senator Trillanes.
Without AT4 speaking in the Senate, wala ring aasahan ang mga sundalo! Kilos, para sa inyong kapakanan ang pagsasambulat ni Trillanes ng pinakamaselang bagay na ito!
Itinataya ni Senador Trillanes ang kanyang buhay para sa inyo, inaasahan namin na ang kasundaluhan (iyong matitino) ay susuportahan din siyang pabalik!
siguraduhin lang ni esperon na “colored” yung mga pics para magandang tignan colorful…o baka naman nanghingi siya kay “hamjari” ng mga pics na pedeng ilagay…who knows??? siya yata ang “source” ng mga pics ni father bossi..so marami siyang naka-imbak sa baul!
chi…
yung 6,000 soldiers na pinadala dun suportado siya malamang..! ewan lang natin si general tolentino na kaibigan matalik ni mike arroyo
Btw, kakisig ni Senator Sonny in blue barong sa Tribune photo. Nangingiti pihado si Mi Girl So Very.
Gusto ko ang combination ng talino, tapang, determinasyon, makabayan, makatao at kisig ng senador na ito. Fight, fight, fight for truth and justice!
Sen. Trillanes charges could find relevance on what I posted on Aug. 13 @2:09am regarding Alejandro Lichauco column with a question: Are soldiers being sent deliberately to their death?
Gokusen,
Good to know, may pag-asa tayo!
Si Garci General Tule-ntino, hindi niyan iiwan si IpDye hanggang mapugutan ng ulo, kanino siya kokolekta?! E di sa among tunay!
Yes, TP, I also read AL’s article. tnx for the lead. Interesting that so many people already knew.
Kahit wala si Sen. Trillanes sa defense committee hearing puede naman i-subpena ang kanyang mga testigo laban sa mga Malacanang traitors. Ituloy ang laban kahit nakakulong!
Ellen:
Re the case of Senator Trillanes and his friends, if ever they should only be charged with insubordination as in the case of some men in the Israel Army who have staged similar act of insubordination re order of their leaders versus Palestiinian civilians that people around the world even abhor.
In the case of the Magdalo soldiers, they were in fact showing contempt and disgust against a criminal who had committed treason and sedition when she led an elitist mutiny herself against a duly elected president, and yet to commit a similarly serious crime of plunder by squandering the OWWA funds, etc. to buy votes during the 2004 election in addition to the massive election cheating committed with these generals now murdering these marines.
The Magdalo soldiers were actually promised leniency, and reason why they were pacified to give up their fight and cooperate (at least this was how I thought it was when I saw Cimatu, et al coming out with the lesser ranks among them after talking to their leaders) to make things better for the Philippines and Filipinos, but apparently, it was all a trick, and their incarceration meant only to weaken the toughest of them, and make sure that they are turned into what my mother describes as “sundalong kanin, labas ang mga tumbong.”
And so, like the rest of the diehard bloggers here blogging for truth and justice, I say, “Arya, Senator Trillanes, pagbutihin mo! Hindi ka nag-iisa! Kasama mo milyong-milyong pilipino! Sibakin ang kriminal na maldita di primera y prinsesita impakta!”
In Israel, the soldiers are not subjected to the kind of injustice the Magdalos are being subjected to. They are subjected to only some military discipline that does not merit any jail term, nor incarceration for life as the case seems to be in the case of Senator Trillanes and company. Iyan ang bobo! In fact, iyong judge should be ordering investigation of the person or persons they have complained about and free them to help in the investigation of their complaints. Bobo kasi kaya mali ang decision!
The justice department should be free of the idiot running the country now like hell. The judges there should be determined to fight for the honor and integrity of the court.
Pero sabi nga ng kaibigan ko who left the Philippines to practice his profession overseas out of frustration for the graft and corruption in the Philippines where he said he would not like to end up a nervous wreck or an abogago de kalimbang, and get used to the lagay instead of upholding truth and justice.
Yup, ang problema, Ang Lagay!
The marines being sent to Mindanao should themselves refuse to be deployed without guaranty that they are being set for an ambush for the Malacanang occupant to make good publicity of. Dahil ba kasi takot silang palitan ng mga nire-recruit ng unano ngayon to fill up possible vacancies with the deaths of the conceived run-out troops whose former troop leaders now are in incarceration? This should be one angle of the probe according to a friend of mine.
A few months ago, in fact, I posted such information in this blog, that the unano is recruiting new soldiers to replace the old ones, especially the wannabe mutineers, et al, accordingly to my source. Now, she brags likewise of replenishing the PNP with 3,500 or more new policemen.
BTW, hindi ba ginawang datu ng mga Moslems si Esperon? Is this why the AFP soldiers are now free to be annihilated and killed? Anyway, they can be replaced with soldiers ala-Macabebens of old who gave the natives of Pampanga the unpalatable title “dugong aso!” Tindi rin ano? 🙁
The Senate should also review the bilateral and multilateral agreements between the Philippines and other foreign powers. There are gray areas on war on terrorism in lieu with Philippine sovereignty. National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales admitted that agents of the US Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Australian Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the British M15 are operating in Mindanao and all over the Philippines in the pretext to fight global terrorism.
The Arroyo government particularly NSC chief Norberto Gonzales knows the real Bossi kidnappers are poor fishermen. Why the government quickly tagged the Abu Sayyaf is the culprit? The Tipo-Tipo fiasco and the Bossi kidnapping may complete the conspiracy puzzle. It’s all about money disguised as military-economic aids.
Fishermen, not Abu Sayyaf, seized Bossi — Italian envoy
By Cynthia Balana
Inquirer
Last updated 10:32pm (Mla time) 08/14/2007
MANILA, Philippines — Father Giancarlo Bossi has testified before an investigating anti-terrorist magistrate in Rome that he was kidnapped by 10 poor Filipino fishermen and not by members of the Abu Sayyaf as earlier reported, and that his kidnapping was a simple case of kidnap for ransom.
newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view_article.php?article_id=82565
If Fr.Bossi was saying the truth, it only meant that the renewed/new war was premedidated and well planned by the concerned person, and the bill that Senator Sonny just filed re death trap has bases.
Fr. Bossi was made a goat in this military “operation”.
Siguradong may Class A info tungkol sa Trillnes’ Tipo-Tipo expose’. Imposibleng guni-guni lang ito. May matataas na opisyales ng AFP ayaw sa patakaran nila Gloria at Esperon sa Mindanao war.
dkg,
totoo nga yun, kaya nga ang sabi ko yung talagang kumuha kay father bossi nawala na sa scenario di yung mga pangalan na 2 ang kumuha ipinasa na lang dun…at dun sa pitikil, karumatan itinago kasi nakita ng mga katutubong samal eh..may gusto nga kasi silang ipalabas kaya pinipilit na basilan sa kabila na ng alam nila na wala talaga sa basilan..di nila alam yung drama na ginagawa nila sa basilan ay mas trahedya ang mangyayari at di na nila controlado…
Agree ako sayo, Manong Diego. Hindi gago si AT4 na magbibitiw ng ganito katinding salita tapos mapapaso lang siya. Sa laki ng tiwalang ipinagkaloob sa kanya sa ngayon, hindi siya puwedeng reckless sa mga aksyon niya. Sigurado akong maingat na pinag-aralan niya ang ebidensiya bago niya ibinulgar.
Kunsabagay, maaring hindi siya ang nauna. Dito yata sa blog ni Ellen mas maraming nabulgar na una e. Kailangan nating marinig iyan, baka may bago at mabigat na laman iyan.
Trillanes, paglingkurin, ngayon na!
Dapat banat ng banat hangang mainit pa ang Tipo-Tipo fiasco issue. Madaling makalimot o magpatawad ang taumbayan.
Wag the Gloria’s evil tail starring General Ermita, Norberto Gonzales, General Esperon and other unnamed jokers. They want to distract Arroyo’s governance failures and the same time manipulates media and public opinion on anti-terrorism war in Basilan and Sulu. The script is written and directed by Uncle Sam.
sa tingin ko, ningas-kugon din ito. wala ring mangyayari.
nasaan na ang expose ni alan cayetano? nasaan na ang expose ni ping lacson? wala na!
I question if all these other Senators have received similar information from various sources about the false claims being made about the Marine massacre but unlike Senator Sonny Trillanes failed to have the courage to persue this crime because it is said that members of the
government executive are involved in such a crime and too hot to handle not that its unbelievable.
It takes somebody with the determination and the strength of character to bring this out in the open and reveal the true character of members of the government executive.
The Marines Corp and the people of Mindanao are perhaps thinking that they have been abandoned from what is right and just – but there is a plan and a time – maybe this is the time to reveal all
To Sonny Trillanes we say, do what you have to do for the sake of the country and for Truth & Justice. .
wwnl,
so be it !
Nakakainis, hindi matutuloy sa malapit na hinaharap ang imbestigasyon ng Senado sa “death trap” kasi ang sabi nila ay kasalukuyan daw nakikipagbakbakan ang mga sundalo at baka ma-demoralize. Ganun din ang sabi sa Mabahong bahay!
Sus, hindi pa ba demoralize ang mga sundalo?
Agree, Tongue. Gera-gerahan para hindi sila maimbistigahan. Iwas-pusoy kay Trillanes ang EK at Almed Forces ni Ass!
ms. ellen,
read mo to?
Dapat pabayaan munang matapos ang nangyayaring labanan sa mindanao bago magsagawa ng mga imbestigasyon tungkol dito.
ito ang iminungkahi ni senator panfilo lacson sa gitna ng mga isinusulong na imbestigasyon ng ilang mambabatas sa umano’y sangkot na mga opisyal ng gobyerno na nagpasimula ng bakbakan sa basilan at sulu.
sa panayam ng dzec ay hinikayat ni lacson ang kanyang mga kasamahang mambabatas na isantabi muna ang mga planong imbestigasyon hangga’t hindi pa nalulutas ang labanan sa mindanao.
pinanindiganan ni lacson na dapat pabayaan muna ang diskarte ng militar at maging ng administrasyong arroyo sa ikareresolba ng kasalukuyang nangyayaring digmaan sa sulu at basilan.
subalit nilinaw naman ni lacson na oras na matapos ang krisis sa mindanao ay dapat na isagawa ang puspusang imbestigasyon upang papanagutin ang mga napatunayang nagkasala sa nangyaring labanan
Gokusen,
Alam ni Lacson na walang kapupuntahan ang giyerang iyan. Dito nga nabuking na natin e. Pababayaan niya munang mabaon sila Esperon at Gloria sa giyerang gawagawa nila saka iyan babanatan.
Natunugan na ng oposisyon na nakahanda na ang bibira sa kanilang mga taumbayan kuno na galit na galit na imbis “magkaisa laban sa mga rebelde”, sariling mga sundalo ang iimbistigahan. Talo sila diyan. Tandaan mo, ang linya ng gobyerno ngayon, “magkaisa laban sa terorismo”. Alam niya ang damdaming sundalo.
Kailangang mailabas ang galit ng mga Marines laban sa mga namugot. Hindi niya pwedeng pigilan iyan dahil maa-isolate siya pero magbabantay pa rin siya ng mga kapalpakan para walang kawala. Maaari ring ipaubaya nila iyan kay AT4 para magkaroon ng pwersang magtutulak sa korte para payagan siyang magsilbi, diba?
Sa ngayon, okey lang sa aking maghintay muna. Wala namang mahuhuling Abu Sayyaf talaga e. Mas lalabas na palpak ang liderato.
Sabi nga, do not interrupt the enemy while it is committing blunders.
Just my two cents.
TT,
okey sige fine..wait muna natin..pero for the sake of argument..hintay tayo ng hintay imbis na matapos nauubos na ang militar at civilian…
kakausap ko lang dun sa taga Sampunay dun sa napatay na kumander jeili…sabi dun di daw mga abu at di rin mga mnlf ang mga namatay karamihan civilian sympathizer ng mnlf…pero dito ang balita eh abu at mbg…!
TT:
“do not interrupt the enemy while it is committing blunders” P
Point taken but we already have a list full of blunders – these idiots will destroy society as a whole just for power & greed – there’s more than enough evidence let’s not look for excuses why not to stop it now – until we stop it the country cannot move forward – Enough is Enough.
It is commendable that Senator Trillanes is exposing what needs to be exposed. He has, indeed, not let the 11+ million supporters down. He was worthy of every vote, of every support. You go, Senator Trillanes !
That’s Napolen Bonaparte’s dictum: Do not disturb the enemy while he is in the process of destroying himself.
That has its merits. But in this case, real bloody. And its the blood of our soldiers that are being sacrificed.
Gokusen: okey sige fine..wait muna natin..pero for the sake of argument..hintay tayo ng hintay imbis na matapos nauubos na ang militar at civilian…
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Tawag diyan “slow poke.” Pero sabi nga ng salawikain, “Daig ng maagap ang masipag.” Patay na ang kabayo saka pa lang kikilos ang mga pilipino, at hinay-hinay pa rin kahit na kakatayin na! Nak talaga ng pating!
Chi, barkada, parang gusto ko nang mag-give up pero buti na lang nabubuhayan tayo ng loob kapag nakikita natin si Senator Trillanes at si Ellen na nagpupursigi. Kaya, folks, tuloy ang laban. Taragis naman ang mga sundalo nakakanin na labas pa ang tumbong. Puede ba napupugutan na ng ulo, bakit pa sinusunod ang kriminal na gusto silang ipaubos sa mga tulisan.
BTW, si Nur ba nasa Pilipinas pa?
TT: Alam ni Lacson na walang kapupuntahan ang giyerang iyan. Dito nga nabuking na natin e. Pababayaan niya munang mabaon sila Esperon at Gloria sa giyerang gawagawa nila saka iyan babanatan.
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Dios mahabagin! Do you mean to say, TT, na hihintayin pa ni Lacson na maubos ang mga sundalo bago siya kikilos tapos in the middle of his speech, hihinto siya? Ganyan ang nakikita kong trabaho niya sa totoo lang. Puro bitin!!! Hindi katulad ni Senator Trillanes, may determination kahit na iniipit!
Wala siyang pinag-iba kay Senator Biazon! Sigurista talaga! Yuck! Slow but sure, OK lang, pero slow and U-turn, iba na iyan!
ystakei says:
“Iyan ang bobo! In fact, iyong judge should be ordering investigation of the person or persons they have complained about and free them to help in the investigation of their complaints. Bobo kasi kaya mali ang decision!”
reply: ystakei, paano di maging bobo si judge pimentel na iyan, eh di nga ba si gloria may raket ngayon sa mga internal organs? kaya yong utak ni judge pimentel matagal na nyang natanggal at pinalitan lang yon ng utak ng “ipis”!
yuko,
about maas (nur) naka house arrest pa rin, ayaw ngang payagan mag bail ng gobyerno, pero magtataka ka kung sabihin may kaso, di naman nila mapatunayan kung siya ang utak ng rebelyon..sabi nung july 17 palalabasin na para makapunta sa jeddah sa tripartite eh, ayun pa rin sabi nga ng lawyer niya “very confusing, di maintindihan ang gusto ng govt talaga”, “wala din magawa c maas hindi parin na piyansa, sana kahit papano he can be of help to all including the govt”. kung papalabasin pa,kung kelan at gang saan gobyerno lang nakakaalam!
Hindi titigil si tiyanak at asspweron hanggang hindi nila nauubos yung mga taong nakakaalam ng kidnap for ransom operations at iba pang karumal dumal na gawain ng walang iba kundi yung mga opisyales ng rehimeng nakaupo. Ang mga sundalong ginamit nila para magbitbit at magpalit ng mga balota noong nakaraang eleksyion ay kasama na sa mga “casualties of war”.
Sobra na talagang kasalanan nitong dalawang demonyo(tiyanak at asspweron) sa mga sundalo. Both of them can not forever be guarded by thousands of these men in uniform. Once these evil duo are out of their positions, the final verdict on their actions will inevitably happen. So, they can be on top of the world now like Hitler was but there is tomorrow and tomorrow may not be kind to them! I surely hope so to avenge the useless death of our soldiers!
kakatawa nga eh, nung malaman ko nung last week of june na tuloy ang tripartite na dapat naka-set ng july 4-8, nagsubmit na ng mga pangalan sa oic si maas para sa sasama, sabi kasi before july 4 eh payagan ng mag-piyansa, tapos biglang kabig ang govt na pede daw lumabas at pumunta si maas sa jeddah at papayagan makalabas july 17. sabi namin pano pa makaka-attend si maas eh july 4-8 nga ang date ng tripartite. so ng malaman ng oic nilipat at ginawang 17-19 ng july para nga makaattend si maas, walang maas di matutuloy tripartite, tapos, the court schedule yung hearing for bail, july 15, at yung hearing para makalabas ng bansa 17, tapos nung mag-july 17 na ang sabi hinihingan ng guarantee letter ang saudi na babalik at babalik si maas, hintay na lang sana ng “guarantee letter” hayan biglang drama over the bakod ang dating ng bossi kidnapping case, sa lanao dinala nag over the bakod sa basilan yun na ang ginawang rason para di matuloy and iniwan na naman ang mga muslim nakatingin sa ere..nag-aabang ng bagsak ng bayabas at patak ng ulan
For those who want to join the Trillanes, Paglingkurin Movement may write to:trillanespaglingkurin@gmail.com
What an injustice, Gokusen! Never heard of such stupidity in fact where I am based, nor in the Philippines when we were still there even when Filipinos were already used to committing perjury as what an aunt told me about the courts in the Philippines where she actually was one of those hired perjurers.
My condolence to Nur. I bet you he will remember the part Japanese student assistant at the Asian Center when he was a scholar there. Hindi naman siya bobo as a matter of fact. Di hamak na bobo pero kasing tuso ng matsing iyong nakaupo sa Malacanang na walang magawang matino, pero ang tinik, hindi matanggal. Kaya ang yabang ng ungas!
But don’t despair. Kung si Marcos na mas matalino natanggal di ba? Kasi daw tinulungan ng mga kano sabi ng isang Internet Brigader ni unano who insists that without US help walang magagawa ang mga pilipino.
Kawawang bansa kung ganoon nga!!! Nyaaaaaah! Nakakai-Yuck!!!!
i hope trillanes expose on the tipo-tipo incident will reveal that soldiers had earlier killed an imam that helped them when they’re military truck got stuck in the mud just hours before they were ambushed. they killed the poor imam thinking he was an asg informer. they realized he was an imam and the trouble they got themselves into after killing him. a source that was among the joint cch group that went to investigate the basilan incident said, those among the locals on the ground that they interviewed said the body of the imam was later on found mutilated as well. it was hours after that the ambush on the marines took place, had they not kill the imam who even helped them on the road, there wouldnt be any basilan incident to investigate in the first place. this story on the mutilated imam never made it to the report of the joint cch group that conducted a probe.
the tipo-tipo incident was a set-up to justify the all-out offensive why the military is now into in jolo and basilan. the offensive had been planned in june. Among other objective was to put to test on the ground the the us-australia-rp “cooperation” in mindanao. US and Australian forces as the Phil govt put it are there to “train, assist and advise” RP troops. But there was inactivity on the part of the enemy then that gave no reason to launch an offensive until the Bossi kidnapping, yet the priest was taken to Lanao and that is a far cry from Basilan and Jolo as coverage of the operation plan.
The tipo-tipo incident, as per govt line, was an offshoot of the search and rescue efforts on Bossi as there was an intelligence information of the captors in the area that the marines went out to check. It wasnt an intelligence information, it was an order from the headquarters to scour the place to find Bossi yet at that time security forces already knew that contacts had been made with the priests captors and negotiations are underway.
At the time of the order to scour tipo-tipo to search for Fr. Bossi, malacanang, dnd and military already knew that the priest will be released at an assured time “before the sona and the malacanang launch of the Human Security Act implementation.” What the intel information actually was about enemy position – milf troop formation in that area.
The marines were ordered to proceed without knowledge of the nuance and dynamics of prior coordination with MILF thru the CCH channel, or maybe with the assumption that the order came already with the necessary coordination for their pursuit operation, after all the operation came from the headquarters who should know best about proper protocol such as coordination.
Incidentally or it was timely that the Ad-hoc Joint Action Group which is the coordinating mechanism for AFP and MILF on pursuit operations had just completed its term (being only an ad-hoc committee by nature anyway)so there was no body to coordinate the military operation in an MILF-controlled area to begin with. And almost like a broken record we can hear the military talking about the tactical alliance of the asg, milf and mnlf on the ground.
But of course! does the military expect the MILF to help or for the MNLF to just stand watch the AFP exchange fire with the ASG in their area? And by the way, can military really tell who’s asg among them, do they wear a badge so the military would know who to shoot and who to avoid firing at?
As far as the MILF and the MNLF are concerned they are technically at war the govt and the military is the enemy so what do they do when the enemy in full battle gear and humvees stray their territory, serve them coffee?
Oh please stop these cliche about “tactical alliance” among MILF, ASG and MNLF if the military cannot even tell who’s who. And for military to say their all out war is only against Abu Sayyaf, stop this bullshit, you’re in moro land for crying out loud! you’re bullets cannot be discriminating as your distribution of food aid and relief for the people you just displaced and whose lives you just disrupted!
terra cotta soldier says:
“It wasnt an intelligence information, it was an order from the headquarters to scour the place to find Bossi yet at that time security forces already knew that contacts had been made with the priests captors and negotiations are underway. At the time of the order to scour tipo-tipo to search for Fr. Bossi, malacanang, dnd and military already knew that the priest will be released at an assured time “before the sona and the malacanang launch of the Human Security Act implementation.”
this is a clear picture that lead to the tragic death of 14 marines on july 10, 2007 in tipo-tipo basilan, where 10 of them were even beheaded and mutilated.
the lives of these poor soldiers being a “human life bait” by these evil creation gloria, esperon and cohorts for their own self-interest now leads to even more worst situation than ever before in philippine politics.
gloria and esperon deserves all the curses ! may you rest in the fire of hell forever.
terra cotta,
iman alkanul is an mnlf and not milf. tulad nang mga previous post ko dito, lahat yun drama “scripted” ng mga nasa kapangyarihan.
ngayon ang reason nila si zulfikli who is a malaysian and a ji nasa jolo at nagtatago, yun yung tinatanong sa akin ni TT na maykapatid sa u.s na nahuli via email communications.
at yun ngayon ang excuse ng govt. na nagiging rason sa di matuloy na milf peace talk.
zulfikli matagal ng nandito sa pinas yun nagkaasawa na nga dito eh, di nila sinasabi sa tao, ngayon nakakita na naman sila ng pedeng gamitin panakip sa issue…zulfikli has nothing to do with basilan scenario and even in sulu scenario, ang nangyari dun at pagkapugot ng ulo ng mga marine ay di related sa mga ji or al qaeda ek ek nila…plano talaga nila yun para wag matuloy ang tripartite peace agreement ng mnlf at govt at ng oic sa jeddah at payagan makalabas si nur misuari…
re:
At the time of the order to scour tipo-tipo to search for Fr. Bossi, malacanang, dnd and military already knew that the priest will be released at an assured time “before the sona and the malacanang launch of the Human Security Act implementation.”
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coz its also a plan….created in wesmin…!
terra cotta soldier said: “the tipo-tipo incident was a set-up to justify the all-out offensive why the military is now into in jolo and basilan“.
How many more innocent people will be sacrificed in executing Gloria Arroyo’s sinister plan? The Tipo-Tipo fiasco actually creates more questions than answers. Philippine bogus President Gloria Arroyo and her rotten generals must hold responsible for the death of 14 Philippine Marines and the aftereffects collateral damage. Blood on her hands are all over Tipo-Tipo and the rest of the country.
Ayaw ko yang Bonaparte dictum ngayon sa Mindanao, baka maubos ang mga kapatid natin duon. Ang gusto ko ay si tianak at Ass ang maputulan!
Iyan din ang sabi ni Roilo Golez, siguro ay dahil mga soldiers sila, but a prolong war costs too much blood and senseless suffering of civilian victims.
Golly, bakit pumapayag ang mga pilipinong pinapain ang mga sundalo nila para lang sa kawalanghiyaan ng mga nakaupong umaasang magkakakuwarta sila kung magtagumpay ang balak na palaguin ang labanan sa MIndanao para may katwiran silang humingi kuno ng tulong sa America at AustraliaZ?
Two years ago, nagpunta ang governor ng Okinawa sa Pilipinas. Binatikos ito ng mga hapong periodista kasi bagamat OK na bawasan ang mga bases ng mga Amerikano sa Japan, iyon ay daan para palakasin naman ang military ng hapon na hindi sinasang-ayunan ng mga taumbayan hanggang ngayon. Ang purpose ng governor noon ay makipag-deal kay unano na saluhin ang mga kano at gawan ng military base sa Mindanao. Target ang Zamboanga kaya pinalalakas kunyari ang insurgency doon sa mga katabing isla niyon. Kung hindi iyan katarantaduhan, ano iyan?
Iyong mga kano naman ay hindi naman mag-i-insist kung matigas ding tumanggi ang mga pilipino. Bakit ba kami sa Japan. Hindi naman makahirit ang mga kano kahit na gusto nila. Kami pa rin ang masusunod. Kaya sinong may sabing, “Whatever Gloria wants, Gloria gets” kasi gusto ng mga kano? Mali! Brainwashed lang ang mga pilipino na wala silang magagawa kaya nagagawa ni unano ang gusto niya. Mas marami kasi ang duwag! Mas marami ang matatapang sa totoo lang sa mga Moslems, pero dahil sa gutom, naduduwag na rin. Just my observation.
Kawawang mga pilipino! Kawawang bansa! Nakakadugo ng puso sa totoo lang!
terra cotta,
In an earlier thread, I summed up factual incidents Ellen’s bloggers have contributed, the killing and mutilating that MNLF imam included, and also summarized our conclusions on the real purposes for a new protracted war in the south. We, however, missed that one, as you said, “to put to test on the ground the the us-australia-rp ‘cooperation’ in mindanao”
We are also in agreement that the AFP cannot distinguish MI from MN from ASG, those they can’t identify are simply branded lost command or breakaway or double-breakaway, or plain enemy sympathizers.
This, I think, is the same reason why AFP is surprised it is facing retaliation from MNLF when it was MILF and ASG whom they were “fishing” for trouble when the live-bait soldiers were cast to Tipo-tipo. Military intellidiots didn’t have a clue Iskanul could be MN even if he was inside MI territory. These led to the Indanan and Maimbong incidents and voila! MNLF is roused from its slumber.
The AFP have added a new group name to the fray: MNLF Breakaway Group, still distinct from the earlier one called (ex-MNLF) Misuari Renegade Group. How convenient!
Ahh, there’s money coming in now. May giyera na. Esperon, Tolentino, and Cedo can now retire in comfort and style.
Re: Lacson/Napoleon
Lacson, or any other legislator for that matter, cannot stop the war by investigating. The worst that can happen is that he will be slaughtered by both sides he won’t know what hit him. The officers whom he should seek to account for the “lapses” on one side, and the overly-eager soldiers itching to take revenge for their felled comrades, on the other.
Pls. understand, you do not call your husband home to make him explain while he is running amuck against the neighbors. You let him return to his senses first.
In the Mindanao situation, the wise thing is to ask Gloria to stop the carnage when the soldiers have evened up the score. We want the soldiers on our side, don’t we?
Then we can investigate.
Although I also understand that there are civilians who may be hurt in the process, but at this point in the war, whoever is still in the war zone is no longer considered civilian, you are either working for the rebels or a military spy. It may be a blessing that the stupid generals have announced way ahead of their plans of assault.
Our soldiers have been trained to handle this situation at hand and with the heavily lopsided ratio in their favor, I don’t see why they should be threatened, not when all the enemies are long gone.
Giyera-giyerahan nga e!
The idea, I think, is to keep the Abu Sayyaf moving because it is hard to find or spot them if they blend with the natives. When the natives start seeking refuge in camps downtown, the Abus are isolated in the mountains.
Don’t get me wrong. Although I am for wiping out the Abu Sayyaf or whoever is giving sanctuary to JI and Al-Queda leaders, I do not condone the savage baiting of our troops just so that our AFP idiots with stars on their lapel or their patrons in Malacañang have a reason for going into war for whatever personal greed.
Even peace can never be a reason for war.
TT:
“When the natives start seeking refuge in camps downtown, the Abus are isolated in the mountains.”
Maybe its easy to forget that through no fault of their own families were born in these places named Mindanao, married there raised their children in schools there run very small farms or business there, but then forced out by some military policy stating that they want all out war against 150 ragtag rebels, what gives us reason to think that innocent civilians who are both Christian & Muslim are into shielding these rebels – why do the AFP spend untold millions (literally UNTOLD millions) on their so called intelligent units.
It makes it worse when we in Mindanao know very well that if this senario was happening in Metro Manila with thousands of displaced families, disrupted schools, ruined livelyhoods on the pretense that ordinary citizens in Metro Manila were shielding rebels – there would be hell to pay, and rightly so.
The ordinary citizen in Mindano have been baited by the AFP at road blocks for years – we citizens on Midanao look for peace also but our cries for peace are unheard by this AFP & Administration Leadership due to corruption from top to bottom.
Do we already forget what gokusen has written in Ellensville? or was I dreaming!
Gokusen,
I really doubt the sincerity of MILF. But I think I can sympathize with MNLF, or whatever that group Misuari is with.
Nakita mo na pala. Right, it was Zulfikli bin Hir in the news I posted a while back. The person arrested in the US is Rahmat Abdhir. And there are several things in the US investigations that point to MILF and ASG as JI coddlers, but that sorry incident with Alkanul dragged Misuari’s MNLF into this melee.
Actually, Zulfikli (aka Marwan) pala is a US-trained engineer and was added just this March to the list of Most Wanted Terrorists by the US. He carries a $5M bounty on his head. His brother Dany lost his leg at the Atrium Mall bombing in Jakarta in 2001 and was convicted. Marwan is the head of Malaysia’s mujahideen group KMM and after blowing his cover, fled to Mindanao in 2003 and was given sanctuary by MILF’s 106th and 109th Base Command in Liguasan Marsh, where he became a top trainer, according to the US.
With the expulsion of Umar Patek and Dulmatin from MILF camps and into ASG fold, he took over bomb-making training for the MILF and is implicated in last year’s bombings in Central Mindanao which destabilized the MILF-GRP peace talks. Marwan was about to be arrested by 2 policemen for the twin bombings in Aug. 10, 2006 but they were fired upon, then klled by MILF forces.
Now guess what, this April, Esperon announced that Zulfikli has joined Patek and Dulmatin in Sulu, but later, Dolorfino admitted he may still be in Central Mindanao with the Abus! Why then are they looking for him in Sulu now?
Gokusen, I came across this article by Zachary Abuza http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php which says:
Wahid Tondok is MILF 109th Base Command head. Abuza goes further,
If we are to believe what Abuza says, the MILF-GRP peace talks will achieve practically nothing in regard to that elusive peace in Mindanao, with the hardliners AGAIN spawning a new rebel group, like what Hashim Salamat did after the MNLF-FVR Gov’t accord was signed in 1996.
In the same article, Abuza says another MNLF group has joined the ASG in the mountains, fighting side-by-sde in their fiercest battle this year last Aug. 9 in Jolo. This is probably what is now called the MBG.
Ang gulo diba? Parami ng parami, para talagang bulate.
WWNL,
Once and for all, they should end this war. Now. But while they’re at it, get ALL the Abus and the JIs who are entrenched in sympathetic camps provided with funds from mujahideen orgs worldwide. There will never be peace until all these animals are arrested or dead.
I say we face this problem now and if done right, it might as well be the beginning of lasting peace and even prosperity, then maybe, just maybe, we could live comfortably knowing that our southern brothers could go on their own peaceful lives without worrying anymore if the next bomb would drop on their roofs.
It’s easier said than done but the soldiers must really spare the innocent from the bastards. I think that is what really bothers us, right?
Peace, out.
TT:
I read you. Difficult to get aggreement of views when I’m here physically assisting these families up to their asses in muck and bullets and your there reading your reports that are fed by politicians and administration that goes nowhere near the true.
We are back to Truth & Justice!
WWNL,
You are there pala doing what most of us here can’t do. Ingat!
“… the soldiers must really spare the innocent from the bastards. I think that is what really bothers us, right?”
Yes, Tongue. It really bothers me that this gera-gerahan has so much collateral damage. If this is a real war for the nation’s security, it’s easier for me to accept the huge number of soldier and civilian casualties, pero gera-gerahan ito which does not justify lost of so many lives and bring sufferings to innocent civilians.
chi:
People don’t like to hear the Truth, don’t want to know whats really happening so long as its not in their backyard.
Maybe its time to throw in the towel and let them all rot!
Taragis 150 Abus hindi masupil? Kagaguhan na iyan. Sabi ni unano noon “Isang bala lang sila” when they were just a hundred in number (daw). Tapos sabi nabaril iyong leader daw ng Abus pero walang nakitang bangkay, tapos ngayon nag-resurrect, 150 na ang dami at ipapalaban ang 4,500 or more soldiers para supilin ang Abus daw may dagdag pang JL kuno na muntik pang maging JJ. Sabi nga ni DKG, 30:1 ang labanan, napupugutan pa ang mga marines!!!
Anak na pating, ano ba iyan? Mali-mali ang information. Buti pa ang input ni Gokusen, believable!
Dapat iyong mga sundalo, mag-usap at mag-unify na hindi nila susundin si Esperon. Pabayaan na lang nila ang mga pulis na humuli sa mga tulisan. Trabahno nilang hulihin ang mga kriminal! Hindi iyan trabaho ng mga pulis! Bobo!
Tongue:
From what I translate of interviews with the Al Qaeda done by Japanese media, iyong mga tumutulong sa mga Abus daw mostly mga Pakistani. Madali namang ma-spot sa totoo lang. Iyong JL, hindi ba Indonesian na nakakalusot via the pirate ships in Mindanao? Puede namang masupil sa totoo lang kaya lang kasi nalalagyan iyong mga nasa Immigration at Customs. In short, hindi masusupil iyan hanggat sala-salabit ang corruption lalo na ngayon criminal pa ang pinakapuno! Alam kasi ng mga foreigners na lagyan lang ang mga authority sa Pilipinas, libre na sila!
Tribune banner says, “Trillanes dared: Name names” Wow, gago talaga! Why don’t they ask Esperon the truth? Why Trillanes, who is demanding that the authorities concerned should conduct a probe and punish the guilty, even including the criminal squatting at the palace by the murky river? Bobo!
wwnl,
Whatever happened to your optimism? Forgive me if I come on as insensitive, though I’m not, but since we cannot do anything even if we are physically present in the war zone other than, maybe, zipping body bags or being put inside one ourselves, the only thing left to do is make it known to our AFP leaders, okay, the AFP leaders we can trust, that we condemn any and all civilian deaths and force their departure from a mind-set that collateral damages, whether inflicted by the state forces or those of the enemy, are totally unacceptable. Or we could do just what noble job you are doing now, like helping the displaced residents of war-torn villages. I understand fully your feelings, or your reservations. Gokusen’s, too.
Make no mistake, it’s still justice and truth I’m after, like we all are here. I’d like justice to be served to the 14 dead marines, most especially the 10 headless and mutilated ones. Never mind the Indonesian victims, or those of NY’s Twin Towers, or that Super Ferry ship, or Bossi, or the Burnhams. Shall we just let it pass and leave the mourning to their widows and children so we don’t affect the status quo? Shall we just let JI, Al-Queda, ASG, and other mass-murderers get away with their crimes and give them sanctuary undisturbed? Are we to allow or continue to allow foreign and local rogues to endanger the lives of our brothers in Mindanao? Hell no!
But I’m sure we are in agreement that our own forces should not harm innocent civilians, too. Anyway, those who are squeaky-clean should be pointing to the military who the real enemies are instead of just pretending they do not know them. I know it takes courage to do that but if that’s the only option, then so be it.
Remember, the only way for evil to win is for good men to do nothing? Or something like that. We cannot expect any gain without taking the risks.
Or do we just content ourselves with preserving the status quo?
Truth. I can be flexible with the investigations, the top brass to be investigated, anyway, are involved in backroom ops only and may not endanger our troops in the field. Now that AT4 is calling it, I am now all for it. It is imperative that AT4 heads the inquiry to raise further the clamor to allow his service in the Senate. He seems to have insider info that government fed our troops to the enemy. I’d like to know the truth behind that, too. Then comes justice.
And I’m just being consistent.
yuko,
Police matter nga iyan, but like what I posted above, (www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=1479#comment-338480) policemen serving the arrest warrant for Zulfikli were shot and killed by MILF troops. And it was MILF who killed the Marines in Basilan, too.
It’s puzzling, though, that they’re now running after MNLF in a different island, which gives us more reason to believe that AFP is fishing for a big, full-blown war. Unless, of course they are sure the same muderers are now in Sulu.
Our troops must never lose sight of their mission, at least the mission we are told they are carrying, that is, to arrest the perpetrators of the beheadings and bring them to justice.
Or else they fall into that old trap Gloria and her Generals have set for them – the never-ending war.
TT,
you know the govt is doing, sabihin nila na kasama ni “marwan” sina dulmatin at omar patek, sabihin mo dun sa mga intel nila magtanim na lang ng kangkong o manguhol….kung ano ang pangyayari sa basilan walang koneksyon sa “terorismo” kundi drama ng gobyerno, ngayon binabalita nila na nasugatan si dr. abu, nasugatan si dulmatin…hello…magkakahiwalay ang mga lugar ng mga yan pag may gulo at di sila sumasama sa abu dahil natuto na sila sa mga nagdaang pangyayari sa mga namatay na mga lider ng abu..wag nilang lokohin ang tao porke ba di nakakapunta ng sulu ang karamihan papaniwalain nila? sinasabi na nga sa kanila kung saan andun ang mga indonesian at sino ang kasama…pano nila nalaman nasugatan si dr abu at dulmatin eh di nga nila kilala mukha ng mga ‘yun…yung mga pinapakita nilang pictures iba na hitsura ng mga yun ngayon!Nakalabas nga ng bansa si dulmatin mag-isa walang nakahuli sa kanya..aba eh ang puro nga sila tanga dahil nakabalik pa si dulmatin dito baka nagbitbit pa ng mga dagdag indonesians..ingat-ingat lang si esperon baka may tumabi sa kanyang tablig, eh yun pala si dulmatin na yun na nakasuot tablig!
pahabol..
ilang beses na bang nabalita sa news mula pa noon 2003 na patay sa engkwentro sa mindanao si patek? yung kay janjalani kaya namatay, naubusan ng dugo ..pero kung daplis daplis ng ng bala di yan iniinda ng mga yan,,kung mamatay man si dr abu na akala nila yun lang ang “medic” marami pang matatanda sa bundok na mas manggaling manggamot tulad ng tatay ni albader parad na nandun sa bud tapok…dun dinadala ang mga tauhan niya na nasusugatan…dun sila magpunta para malaman nila kung may nasusugatan ngang abu…
hay…ewan sa mga “intel” na yan…sayang lang pera ng taong bayan pinapasuweldo sa kanila…
Ystakei said those helping the Abus are Pakistanis. Is she sure? Or are they Indians? What do Pakistanis and Indians have in common? The smell…he, he. But seriously, they look very similar in looks and in smell. But the two countries are not very friendly with one another. Pakistanis don’t like the Indians and vice-versa.