Aquino promised to put Hacienda Luisita under the land reform, but in 1989, instead of having the land distributed, Aquino implemented the Stock Distribution Option (SDO) program under which the 5,000 farm workers were given shares of stock in the company instead of individual titles to the hacienda land.
On the second week of November 2004, Hacienda Luisita sought the help of the Arroyo government, which gladly sent members of the Philippine national Police complete with armored vehicle carrier. Hostilities between the strikers and the police escalated. On November 16, the police fired at the strikers. Seven were killed on the spot , 72 were badly injured, 27 sustained gun shot wounds, and 110 were arrested by the police. That became known as the Hacienda Luisita massacre.
Seven more persons involved in the Hacienda Luisita case were later killed in separate incidents.
Last Sunday, Former Sectoral Representative Loretta Ann Rosales, Akbayan chair emeritus, wrote Senator Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino, III, the Liberal Party presidential candidate on the Hacienda Luisita issue.
Here’s Etta’s letter:
Dear Noynoy,
I write you as friend and former colleague in Congress re Hacienda Luisita, an issue that involves not just your family and the farmers of Tarlac but, of larger import, the issue of land and the crisis of food production threatened by climate change. I make this an open letter to include in our conversation the people who have clamored for you to run for president.
“November 16 marks the day when seven farmers of Tarlac were killed initially and scores injured by security forces that attacked protesting farmers pressing to open the gates of the Hacienda. It is therefore no surprise that the issue has surfaced in a broadsheet and will continue to be the subject of media reports to get your position on the matter.The following points may be helpful for us to consider.
We are all committed to seeking a peaceful and just solution to the issue of Hacienda Luisita farmers. This is in line with the spirit of social justice defined by international law on human rights, the 1987 Charter and tenets of the newly passed CARPER law (although some of its provisions remain controversial, as they represent views from recalcitrant landed interests).
Perhaps we can address specific issues on the ground and resolve them from a rights-based perspective, the underpinnings of governance that ensures government for all and not just for a few.
One, while you may not have been aware, it is true that Hacienda Luisita Inc. issued a letter stating that all occupants must vacate the land end-October. This triggered strong emotions from farmers who had occupied the land as a matter of survival, which occupation followed the paralysis of organized production with the tragic killings of November 16 and shortly after (a total of fourteen farm workers were killed).
Two, it is equally true that some of the occupying farm workers did rent out the land they occupied to those who were financially capable of using the land for crops they wanted to plant. It must have been a matter of survival – they had nothing to eat, they had zero income, they had no capital for production. Renting out was a way of making both ends meet while the land reform question remains pending. One can readily conclude that it mattered less to the farmers that the renters were insiders or outsiders, farm workers or not. To provide food and shelter for the family was paramount.
Three, the issue of Stock Distribution Option (SDO) as an agrarian reform scheme precedes CARPER; it was in Section 31 of the original CARP. We now have to deal with the new law.
Four, SDO likewise preceded your run for the presidency; you inherited a problem that needs to be resolved peacefully but with dispatch for the common good. This is especially urgent in the light of the emerging food crisis where climate change has affected not just Philippine rice fields but also fields from Vietnam and Taiwan, traditional sources of imported rice.
Five, when farmers lack capital to produce crops, they will not hesitate to reach out to outsiders to rent their lands. Sending notices to the farmers to rid them of non-SDO members does not alleviate the hardship. It merely exposes the problem of the dearth of capital and support services.
Six, the only guarantee that support services can be provided the farm workers is after the land has been fully and completely awarded to them by the DAR. And this is at least a possibility under the CARPER framework.
Seven, AKBAYAN is committed to the call for land redistribution in Hacienda Luisita and we hope that our current alliance with the Liberal Party will hasten and facilitate the enforcement of this call. We look forward to a meaningful and long-term solution to Hacienda Luisita anchored on social justice, human rights and an ecology-based system for sustainable development.
Your friend as always,
Etta P. Rosales
AKBAYAN Chair Emeritus
“Your friend as always…”
I wonder how a friend would feel when such a sensitive issue (for the Aquino’s) such as this is made into an open letter?! Tsk, tsk… 🙂
And I wonder how Etta’s friend would react to these legitimate issues?! 😛
“The Hacienda Luisita management takes care of the workers’ needs, from womb to tomb.In times of boom, we shared. In times like this of compounding debts, there must be also some sharing of the burden.” Noynoy Aquino
NOYNOY: If elected president , will you continue to adopt this typical paternalistic attitude of the haciendero? Or will you implement true land reform?
Siguradong pag pipiestahan ang post na ito! Ready na ba ang mga maka Noynoy?
hindi naman sarili ni noynoy ang hacienda..familia..eh ganoon din si Gibo…at si danding and the rest si kris ano ang say niya?
sa dami ng mga hacenderos sa pilipinas ilan ba sa kanila ang tumutupad sa batas?…si mike arroyo? just wondering!
ano ang say ni Gibo?
Plus ça change (plus c’est la même chose).
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Used when a change does not result in an improvement in a situation
What’s the point in voting? Plus ça change…
Dito pala dapat nai-postyung comment ko sa thread na “Noynoy: caught in-between”
Meron sagot dyan si Ate Ballsy na minority raw sila sa Hacienda Luisita, and if it’s only them (the siblings), they can easily decide on that problem…to that effect.
On this issue, I’d like to hear Noynoy’s categorical answer. I’m not black and white on this particular issue because I don’t understand HL’s setup, but for the sake of the workers he better define himself on this.
NoyNoy has also shown instances of how he makes decisions when faced with problems that also affect his relatives and business partners. Farmers’ issues is secondary. Blood is thicker than water as he protects the interest of his sisters, then his relatives, then his business partners.
Heheheheeh umaandar na ang mga galamay. Destroy the enemy. Buti na lang kay Erap ako. Sanay na kami sa siraan.
Mabuhay ka Etta Rosales.
For all the vaunted “pro-poor” PR hype, it’s about time somebody raised and forced the issue of Hacienda Luisita back into center court.
In the end, Noynoy winds up as the oligarch classes’ version of Erap.
I’m puzzled why Etta Rosales wrote this letter. Akbayan is allied with Liberal Party. In fact, Akbayan sectoral rep Rissa Hontiveros-Baraquel is in the LP senatorial ticket.
That’s also the reason why Bayan (Satur Ocampo and company) is not allied with LP.
Dito ko nakikita ang dumi ng politika sa atin. Hindi ako boto kay Noynoy pero sa panahong ito … iisa lang ang kalaban natin yan ay ang si Glorya. Kung si Noynoy ay dikit kay Glorya … sige lang sirain natin ng sirain. Pero sa nakikita ko naman siya ay nasa panig natin na gustong usigin si Glorya. Tatlo lang sila na alam ko .. sila Erap, Chiz at Noynoy. Sirain niyo si Noynoy dahil may gusto kayo na iba tapos hindi rin din lang mananalo ang mamanokin niyo… sira na si Noynoy sira pa ang manok niyo … sinong makikinabang … si Glorya.
Tedanz,
Dapat talaga may 2 na mawala kela Erap, Chiz at Noynoy kasi paghahatian ng 3 ang mga boto laban kay Gloria. Pagnawala ang dalawa sa tatlo, mas malaki ang pag asa ng kandidatong matitira laban kay Gloria. Hehehehe 😛
Kung gusto niyo naman hintayin niyo na lang hanggang sa katapusan. Pagdating ng Dec. 1 labo labo na … kasi sa ngayon hindi pa naman natin alam kung sino sino ang tatakbo. Malay mo ang minamanok mo ay hindi tatakbo. Sana naintindihan niyo ako.
Nakahanda na ang number 2 and 3 ko, tedanz. Hindi ko binibira ng malakas si Noynoy at si Erap ay hindi ko kinakanti dahil baka makalusot ang isang glorietta at isang pnyeta, sabi mo nga. Isa pa, malambot ang puso ko kay Ate Ballsy at Tita Loi, hehehe.
Sa totoo lang ay hinihintay ko yung aking tandang kung lalaban o hindi.
Talo siya diyan sa issue na iyan. How do you defend murder? Moreso, a massacre? This incident happened in 2004. At that time, Gloria and Cory were best friends. Look how quickly the police responded.
After Cory called for Gloria’s resignation one year later, the SDO was revoked by Putot’s gov’t.
Intresado ako kung papaano reresolbahin iyan ni Noynoy. Nakaligtas ang nanay niya sa isyu na yan pero siya mismo ay mahihirapan. He must faced it squarely so people will know if he has the big K to lead the country out of a rot.
parang mahirap gumawa ng hakbang dito si noynoy kasi hindi naman sya ang nagmamay ari sa hacienda luisita..pero let’s wait kung ano ang magiging tugon nya dito..
Unang una hindi labag sa batas ang SDO. Isa yan option na binibigay ng Carp. The terms and conditions of the SDO are subject to mutual agreement between the corporate owner and the farmer. It is not something imposed by the corporate landowner .
Ikalawa, Cory Aquino did not implement the SDO on Hacienda Luisita. Nasa batas na yun at ang hacienda at ang mga farmers ang nagdecision na pumasok sa SDO. Kapansinpansin din na yun SDO nagumpisa nung 1989 at ang gulo ay nangyari lang noong 2004. Ano ang nangyari nung 2004 at nagstrike ang nga farmers?
Ikatlo, humingi na tulong ang mga Cojuangco sa gobyerno kasi nagkakagulo sa hacienda. Nagpadala ang gobyerno ng pulis to maintain peace and order. Nagkabarilan, maraming namatay at nasaktan. Dapat imbestigahan ang pulis kung bakit nagkaputukan. Bakit sisisihin ang mga Cojuangco, si Cory at ngayon si Noynoy dahil namaril ang mga pulis? Sila ba ang nagbibigay ng order na pagbabarilin ang mga strikers? Bakit ilalagay ang baril sa kamay ng Cojuangco, ni Cory at ni Noynoy?
The CARP passed by Congress and signed into law by Aquino was not perfect. Many landowners took advantage of the law to avoid actual land redistribution. But they did not go outside the law. So the solution is to amend the law to make it more effective.
There was a chance to do that when Congress was debating the extension of the CARP law. Party list representatives could have gotten the support of the public for amendments to the law, But nothing happened. party list amendments didn’t pass, the public didn’t care, and CARP was extended. Kasalanan ba din yan ni Cory at ni Noynoy?
Dami pang lalabas diyan. . .Mendiola Massacre, Dec 89 coup na nagtago sa ilallim ng kama, Tiyo Paeng si Noynoy, gonorrhea ni Kris, abnoy si Josh, kalbo si Noynoy, chainsmoker si Noynoy. . .suma total: bawas sa boto= 1%. . .pilit ba namang idikit kay Cory yung Massacre e yung mha pulis nga at army na namaril e ewan ko kung nakakulong. Wag syadong padala sa propaganda ng makakaliwa. Bistado na mga yan. Mula nang pumalpak sa pinanigan ng Edsa 1 at napahiya e tinarget na si Cory. Bakit walang nakulong sa Mendiola Massacre? Kasi kitang-kita sa mga video footages at litrato na kuha ng mga mamahayag na nag umpisa ang pamamaril sa hanay ng mga raliyesta. Ebidensya sa korte yan. Gusto nilang palabasin na habang binabaril ng mga infiltrator sa hanay nila ang mga sundalo at pulis ay sasaluhin ng mga ito ang bala nila. Same scenario in Luisita. Ang mga expert sa agit-prop ng NPA ang nasa frontline, binabato ng pillbox ang mga sundalo. Scripted to humiliate Cory. Di nyo pwedeng bolahin ang nakakaalam. Kung marami kayong alam na kuwentong kutsero, puwes kami pinag-aralan namin yan ng matagal ang klase ng agitation propaganda ng mga NPA. . .Sinasadya talagang pag-initin/saktan, batuhin, duraan, murahin ang mga pobreng PO1 at Private para gumawa ng karahasan sa hanay ng mga raliyesta. . .who do u think now is exploiting the poor masses? Mabuhay ang NPA? Tagumpay ang ating idolohiya?
Naalala ko tuloy ang sagot ni Popoy Lagman while undergoing tactical interrogation ng tinanong sya kung bakit ba walang magaling na presidente sa tingin ng mga makakaliwa. Sabi nya, “Ganun talaga e. Adhikain naming pahirapan kayo. Wala kayong gagawing tama para sa amin.” It’s only later that I realized the whole import behind his reply. Now you know. . .
Dapat ay marinig yan lahat sa bibig ni Noynoy. Habang silent sya sa isyu na yan ay hindi titigil ang mga tanong. Once and for all, bigyan yan ng closure.
I think AKBAYAN Etta P. Rosales letter to Noynoy Aquino, although with basis is reasonably unfair. In my view, one cannot look at the farmer’s side alone without consideration to the landowner (investor) side if one is to promote social justice as defined by international law on human rights, as stated in the letter. One cannot take one’s property and hand it to another without just compensation or force someone to sell if one does not want too in the spirit of social justice, human rights and an ecology-based system for sustainable development; however you want to call it, especially in the case of Noynoy who doesn’t own it 100%.
The concept of land redistribution related to land reform law when thought out before was good but not anymore and cannot easily be implemented at this time because it promotes CLASS WAR, as an example. If to be implemented, as defined by our law, it has to be across-the-board without exception to include the government and church lands. It’s a bad law in my opinion because it’s not supported by meaningful growth and development for both sides, other than farmers on the receiving end. Currently, at this stage most landowners do not want to invest in their own lands and farmers keeps leaving on it waiting, a status quo we cannot afford to maintain. In addition, landowners are not just the rich but also common people and farmers affected by the same land reform law we have now. AKBAYAN needs to consider looking at this issue in a different way in a spirit of reality. In my opinion, we need to find a solution wherein both farmers and land owners can benefit from the land they share common interest with, wherein everyone share everything at times of prosperity and at times of lost and not just landowners shouldering everything simply because they are the landowners or farmers earning pittance for their labor.
The relationship between farmers and landowners need to be revisited in such a way that compensation for farmer labor or investment by landowner is clearly defined with both side consulted and agreed on. It can be in the form of farmers compensated as an employee of landowners if they so wish, farmers forming cooperative and arranging a contract with landowners to till their lands, and/or farmers thru their cooperative investing or borrowing to buy their own land to farm, depending on how they want to set it up, as a few suggestions. Government needs to step-in by assisting and promoting education and technology transfer for both farmers and landowners alike, to include promotion of competition and growth in the agricultural sector to create jobs and market. Government subsidy to this sector may be required until such time it can stand on its own. With over 80 million people in our country, we have a market.
At this time, instead of focusing on one person or issue, we should focus more on how to collectively get rid of thieves and corrupt in our government and structurally fix while were at it. Our government, military, and our justice system need a major overhaul so that it will function properly when dispensing services and justice. It will be very hard to implement all the laws of the land if we don’t have a credible government accountable to the very people they serve top with a very slow justice system, causing most of the failures of implementation and loss of resources affecting everyone. The issue of the redistribution of land and wealth is achievable without forcing others to give up what they own. It has to be based on justice, free market system and growth with farmers justly compensated for their labor with opportunity to become future landowners and landowners have descent returns from their investment and from what they own.
My goli bakit hindi inimbestigahan noong nangyari iyang masaker na yan. Anong kasalanan ni Noynoy? Wala rin pala tayong pinag-iba sa isinusuka nating administrasyon ni Glorya …. nagkakalkal ng mga mali ng mga ninuno. Suko na ako …. pareparehas lang pala …. inis!!!!
Dog eat Dog!!!!!
Mahirap ipatupad itong CARP kahit na sinong presidente.Karamihan sa mga Tongressman at Senador ay mga haciendero at heredero. Wala pa yatang 2% ang mga hindi landlord sa Tongress na karamihan ay Partylist.Kailangan nilang kontrolin ang mga sakada dahil nandiyan ang boto nila.
Ang mga landlord ay ginagawa nilang kalakal ang tenant nila pagdating ng election.Ang pinupuntahan ng mga kandidato ay iyung alam nilang maraming lupain sa bayan,karamihan under the table deal,ipangako ng landlord ang boto ng kanyang mga “Kasama”(tenant) ikaw naman si “Kasama” kapag hindi mo ibinoto ang gusto ng landlord mo ay mawawalan ka ng lupang sakahan.
Wala tayong magagawa kung landless tayo dahil siguro hindi nagsikap ang mga ninuno natin noon kaya para tayong daga (mahihirap) na nakikilunga sa lupa ng may lupa.
Tulad sa History ng America,Si Thomas Jefferson malawak ang kanyang lupain ginamit niya ang kanyang daang-daang slaves para makipagdeal sa kanyang mahigpit na kaaway na si Alexander Hamilton para maging presidente.Anong nagawa ni Hamilton kundi sumunod na lang dahil wala siyang tao kahit mas magaling siyang magsalita kesa kay Jefferson.
Ganyan lang talaga ang buhay,kahit kailan ay hindi pweding magpantay ang mayaman at mahirap.
The rich will starve with a silver spoon on their mouth without the poor serving them.That’s the reason religion was created to prevent the poor, killing the rich
Beggars can’t be choosy,yan ang sabi ng mga older folks ko,It is up to us kung babaguhin natin iyan dapat tayo ang magsikap.
I think we need to make our country unstrategic to the foreign powers and thus the apathetic elites will leave as well along with the foreign occupiers so our country can progress….
you cannot please everyone. obviously, there’s only very few slots sa noynoy list.
fact is, hacienda luisita will either be noynoys buckingham palace or his waterloo. he better come up with a clear and good explanation because of the barrage of negative attacks on him.
he should be ok at the moment given the sympathy he’s riding on, but if he lose this, it’s on him.
do we really want this kind of campaining??? sabi nga dun sa taas “dog eat dog”? i thought in the beginning were’ all in here to serve as check on corruption. moral ek ek sum’tin sum’tin should we also not put a check on dirty politicking? or same same? or worse of the same?
We can best serve the interest of the farmers by giving them an opportunity to earn a descent living instead of having them force themselves in picket lines and ask for the land that nobody wants to give, except for the very few who is willing to share. We cannot have the farmer’s sabotage once living either by having them block one’s property and use them as pawns for tragedies that may follow. Not all landlords are evil and not all farmers are saints either. In reality, we are in a revolution, armed and ideological, with one taking advantage of another, of any circumstances that may arise from any tragedy, us caught in between.
What we really need is a progressive formula that both landowners and farmers can benefit collectively from the same land they live on for progress. A credible Government and Justice System that balance each side instead of forcing us to pick one side, between the rich and poor, that nobody fully understand.
Tedanz:
Igan matagal nang maimbestigahan yan. Binubuhay lang ang mga multo na mga NPA mismo ang nagpakanang mapatay. Ganun kasalot ang walang diyos na ideolohiya. Hindi nangingiming gamitin ang mga kaawa-awang mga kababayan nating mga dukha, maiangat lamang ang kanilang hangarin na mapabagsak ang gobyerno. Kahit anong galing magpaliwanag ni kaibigang Olan, walang saysay yan sa mga taong ang tanging mithi ay maghasik ng kagulohan at mailuklok ang kanilang mga sarili sa kapangyarihan. How ironic that rightest soldiers of Gringo’s mold once cited Cory’s communist leanings as one of the reasons why they launched successive coups against her. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. Chiz better be wary about the company he keeps. Expect the Chiz bashers to make this a campaign issue especially so that he comes from Bicol, the hotbed of communist insurgency. . .maybe some of his pork barrel went to. . .oh man, I’m beginning to like this. . .
#20: Your post made a lot of sense. Am thinking same.
If being oblak is an issue, i suggest Noynoy just shave all, ala Andre Agassi, a tennis star.
Henry,
That’s why, I think, we need to have an effective leadership to address the plight of poor farmers, or the poor in general. An empty stomach knows no laws. The wanton disregard of human rights by “some” abusive people in government must also be addressed. Pag desperado na ang isang tao, kakapit na yan sa patalim, at madali silang ma-recruit ng mga makakaliwa. They will easily be exploited by the left.
Matagal ko ng hinihintay ang sagot ni Noynoy tungkol dito sa Hacienda Luisita. Nakakainis kasi eh, lahat nalang ng sagot niya malabo. Categorical statement kaya ang gusto ng mga tao. Pag ipinagpatuloy ni Noynoy ang pagpapasafe, malamang malaki ang epekto nun sa kandidatura niya.
To those who are crying unfair; (re: Etta’s letter) should accept that all is fair in love and war. Politics is war, even more brutal to say the least. And besides issues that needs resolution usually surface during election time. The reason is to force the hand of the one involved, as in this case Noynoy.
SDO is not illegal but murder is murder. For whatever reason there’s no justification for murder.
Even hardcore criminals doesn’t deserve to be murdered just like that, much more these poor farm workers of Hacienda Luisita who were just exercising their right to air their grievances and their right to be heard. Pagkatapos pagpapatayin na lang sila, Yan ang matatawag na pangaabuso, pangaapi at pagpatay sa mga mahihirap. At sa mga nakapatay mayroon bang naparusahan? Of course nobody, nasa teritoryo ng mga Aquino at Cojuangco yata at mga untouchables yan. They are above the law at doon sa kanila sila ang batas. Pasensiya na lang yong mga namatay dahil kahit kailan walang hustisya silang mahihintay sa mga Aquino.
It’s not to disrespect Cory but sometimes I wonder how she and her family can sleep soundly at night without being bothered or haunted by those people killed inside their property. Did they really live and now living in peace with themselves? Just curious because by just hurting the feelings of somebody worries me, how much more if you are instrument in a murder?
It’s true to every candidate not only to Noynoy. More of these things will come out in the open. What do we expect, it’s election time. Whether it true or not, it’s just a matter of how a candidate defends and extricates himself out from every attack.
Now how can Noynoy justify these murders? Self-defense, self preservation or just a simple massacre, anyway it’s only 14 lives were lost.
The question is, who ordered them killed? Cory? Noynoy? Murder? Premeditated? Think again! It was a set-up job by the left who knew that PO1s from the police and private kamotes of the army will be made to man the barricades by inept commanders. When agitators from the ranks started to rain pillboxes and stones on the hapless rookies, many of whom were injured seriously, in case u would care to know, how do u think these guys would have reacted? Murder? Too easy to say if u don’t know how the left works. . .tsk
Mam Etta is telling Noynoy WALK THE TALK. Noynoy if you are truly for the people then you must clean your own backyard.
Unfortunately he has never been truly for the people or will ever be for the people.
It’s not a question of who ordered them killed. It’s the police who killed them and the fact that they were murdered inside the hacienda, means only one thing. They were authorized to shoot and kill.
By whom? Maybe your guess is not as good as mine.
” They were authorized to shoot and kill”. I think that’s very obvious. That’s their line of work. But murder? Debatable. No premeditation. No treachery. Reason why case won’t stick.
Florry comment #37
Bakit mo binibintang kay Cory at mga Cojuangco ang ginawa ng mga pulis. sila ba ang nag-order to fire on strikers?
Like I said in #20, yun putukan nangyari between pulis and strikers, bakit biglang ang baril ay nasa kamay na ni Cory at kailangan na si Noynoy magjustify ng nangyari?
Yun pulis ang tanungin at pagjustifymo!
Ang takbo ng commentaryo mo ay may kasalanan ang pamilyang Aquino at Cojuangco kasi mayaman sila at ang mga binaril ng pulis ay mahirap. Ginawa mo ng kasalanan ang maging mayaman. Class war ba ang pananawagan mo?
Their line of work – To kill? Wow! A new kind of job, i suppose. Oh yeah, they are the mercenaries, and killers for hire.
To my knowledge the police line of work is not to shoot and kill. They are for peacekeeping and not to kill unless it’s extremely necessary. And what then necessitate them to kill?
And the killing who knows if it’s premeditated or not. They were there and the main reason was to silence and to stop the strike, so how many options do they have to do it? Just one and that was what happened.
So if it’s not murder, what is it? Just plain killing, that’s it? Debatable or not, it’s still killing and lives were lost and it happened inside Hacienda Luisita and the responsibility lies with the owner – the Aquinos.
Anyway what’s the difference between murder and killing? Maybe in a court case, but in this case, nothing because whatever it means, lives were lost.
Reason why case didn’t stick?
They are above the law and they are the law and who dares to fight them? The farm workers, namatayan na nga sila baka ikulong pa sila. Lalo naman silang ka awa awa.
#42
Hindi mo ba alam ang ibig sabihin ng responsibilidad?
Kung nasa loob ka ng pamamahay mo, o sa loob ng bakuran mo responsibilidad mo lahat ang mangyayari diyan sa ayaw at gusto mo. Ikaw ang hari, kaya kahit na ano ang gusto mo yan ang masusunod, ang ibig sabihin lang may permiso yong mga pulis na mamaril at pumatay.
Florry,
It happened inside Hacienda Luisita so the responsibility lies with the owners?
Para naman yan agit-prop na ng komunista yan ah.
Kung nagkakagulo sa bakuran mo at tumawag ka ng pulis to restore peace and order tapos nagkabarilan kasalanan mo ba yun?
Kasalanan mo yun barilan kung hindi ka tumawag ng pulis at ikaw mismo ang nagpaputok pero kung tumawag ka ng pulis para sila ang mag restore ng peace and order, ano ang ginawa mong mali?
“To my knowledge the police line of work is not to shoot and kill. They are for peacekeeping and not to kill unless it’s extremely necessary. And what then necessitate them to kill?”
Eh yun nga ang dapat itanong mo sa pulis! Baka naman meron dahilan kung bakit kinailangan nilang magpaputok. Baka naman may armas din yun mga striker at sumugod sila. Wala ako dun kaya hindi ko alam, kaya nga paimbestigahan ang pulis.
do we really want this kind of campaining??? sabi nga dun sa taas “dog eat dog”? i thought in the beginning were’ all in here to serve as check on corruption. moral ek ek sum’tin sum’tin should we also not put a check on dirty politicking? or same same? or worse of the same?
I would rather listen to a candidate telling me what he can do, than to another telling me what his rivals cannot.
When the issue is popularity, we hear people complaining that Noynoy’s popularity is merely an offshoot of pedigree. ‘Be your own man!’, they’d say.
When the issue is Hacienda Luisita, we hear people complaining that Noynoy is equally guilty of the ‘massacre’. ‘He is an Aquino-Cojuangco scion’, they’d tell you.
If Noynoy does not deserve the goodwill coming form his being Ninoy’s and Cory’s only son, he must also be undeserving of the flak being thrown his way by virtue of the same parentage- unless, somebody can prove that he had a hand, directly or otherwise, in the Hacienda Luisita massacre
Their line of work – To kill? Wow! A new kind of job, i suppose. Oh yeah, they are the mercenaries, and killers for hire.
Wow din! Completely off-tangent! By their very nature of work, the police and the military, being the only authorized and legal armed groups in the country, are authorized to shoot and kill IF so necessitated by circumstances. Pag lumalagapak na yung mga bato, bumabaon na ang mga indian pana sa katawan at sumasabog na ang pillbox na may mga shrapnel sa gitna nyo at marami nang duguan sa inyo, ano kaya gagawin mo? A ok lang yan. Di pa naman ako mamamatay siguro. Hintayin ko na lang na mapuruhan ako saka dedepensa.. Definitely absurd and incomprehensible! U nailed it in the head Ka Enchong. What is sauce for the gander, is sauce for the goose.
Ang pakiwari ko lang, may kalabang politiko ang nasa likod ni Etta Rosales. Huwag naman sanang nabili na sya ni Villar.
Naglalakihan ang hacienda na sugarcane ang tanim.Ito rin ang pinakamahirap na ipasailalim sa agrarian reform. Ang tubo ay kailangang isang taon aalagaan bago anihin. Sa isang taon na yan, may abono, pesticide at dapat maayos na irrigation at maselan ang tubo sa tubig. Pagkaani, bulto ang isasakay sa truck na dadalhin sa milling. Ang milling ng tubo para maging asukal ay hindi simpleng proseso.
Kung bibigyan ang magsasaka ng tig iisa hanggang limang hectarya, malaking pera ang kakailanganin at maghihintay ng mahigit isang taon bago makuha ang kinita. May lupa nga, wala namang pangtustos. Hindi ganung kalaki ang capital and support services ng gobyerno. Kulang sa pondo. Mas uunahin kasing bayaran ang kinunan ng lupa kaysa pang suporta sa magsasaka.
Mali na iparenta ang lupang binahagi sa ilalim ng agrarian reform dahil binigay ang lupa para sila ang magbungkal at magtanim.
Hindi na rin nakakapagtaka kung bakit mismong ilang mga sakada ay ayaw mapasailalim sa agrarian reform ang mga lupa ng mga amo nilang haciendero.
Malaki ang pagkakaiba sa hacienda na palay ang tanim. Ang palay mahigit 3 to 5 months lang pwedeng anihin. Madaling iutang at madaling mabayaran pagkatapos ng 5 buwan. Hindi kumplikado ang pag mill ng palay para maging bigas. Kaya mas viable ang agrarian reform sa mga lupaing palay ang tinatanim.
Aaaah!
Bakit hihintayin ko pang tamaan ako ng bato, sabugan ng pilbaks o baunan ng panang kinakalawang bago ko depensahan ang sarili ko?
Pero teka muna, alam ba kaya ito ni Sir? Ni Ma’am?
Buti siguro uwi muna ako at magsaing. Uuwi na si kumander baka umbag na naman ang abutin ko nito kapag gutom ‘yun dumating ay ‘ala pang pagkain.
H90, yu arberi korek!
Most of these rallies are agitated by the Left. They always make hakot upang dumami ang mga mag-aalsa at meron silang mga planted na manggugulo upang lalong gatungan ang pagngangalit ng tao.
Tagal ko ring naobserbahan ang ganito lalo na noong panahon ni Tita Cory. Walang kasiyahan ang mga taga-kaliwa. Lalong walang direksiyon ang kanilang hindi maka-Diyos na idelohiya.
Just saw this from the Daily Tribune: http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20091112hed1.html
Noynoy, family P33-B SCTEX beneficiaries
By Charlie V. Manalo and Gerry Baldo
11/12/2009
Skeletons in the Aquino-Cojuangco families’ closet are beginning to rattle.
Sen. Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino and the Cojuangco family were direct beneficiaries of the P170-million private road interchange in Hacienda Luisita as well as a P80 million for the right of way (RoW), it was bared yesterday.
This is said to explain why Senator Aquino refuses to dip into the P200-million double insertion allegation against his colleague Sen. Manuel “Manny” Villar on the C-5 road project which Villar’s accusers alleged benefited his real estate firm.
It appears that the family of the Liberal Party (LP) 2010 presidential bet also had its share of blessings from the P33-billion Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway (SCTEX), having been gifted with a P170-million private road interchange built exclusively for Hacienda Luisita Inc. (HLI), on top of the P80 million paid to HLI as remuneration for the 83 hectares of HLI-owned land used for the road project.
Wow. Aside from the massacre, it seems Noynoy also has his own “C5 scandal.”
Blame it on the communists. How convenient.
The article from tribune is very accusatory.
I had used the entire expanse of SCTEX from Tipo to Tarlac Exit. Before Tarlac Exit is the San Miguel Exit which leads to Luisita Industrial Park and Hacienda Luisita. The Luisita Park (not Hacienda Luisita) portion of Tarlac is the biggest industrial/commercial area in the province. It is just logical that there is an exit leading to this area.
To say that the San Miguel, Tarlac City exit was constructed “for the amount of P170 million and exclusively” for the benefit of Hacienda Luisita is misleading. And the title of the article which insinuates that Noynoy and family benefited P33B from SCTEX is malicious.
As for the P80 million paid to Hacienda Luisita for the 83 hectares, the amount is the just compensation.
Assuming that the 4% Noynoy was referring to was his share in the Hacienda (and not 4% of his family share in the Hacienda) he is richer by P3.2M. For the stature of the Aquino family, Noynoy getting that amount in exchange for the portion of the Hacienda is hardly scandalous.
Total land area of Hacienda Luisita = 6,453 hectares
Total land area that would have been given to farmers under CARP: 5,000 workers x 1 hectare ea. = 5,000 hectares (the 300 workers of the azucarera are not deemed farmers)
Percentage of land owned by farmers of Hacienda Luisita after CARP implementation: 5,000/6,453 x 100% = 77.5%
Percentage of shares given to farmers in Stock Distribution Option = 30%
Niloko ba o hindi ang mga magtutubo?
Who are the majority holders of Hacienda Luisita? Pamilya ba nina Noynoy? Sino-sino pa? Kasi, baka kung hati-hatiin sa mga buhay na herederos/as ang HL ay wala ring matitira na substantial para sa bawat isa…from ninuno to kaapu-apuhan.
Problema ng mayayaman…
Kasi sabi ni Ate Ballsy ay hindi lang sila ang may-ari ng HL. Curious lang ako kung bakit hindi na-solve ni Tita Cory ang problemang ito nung sya ay nasa pwesto.
At sino nga ba ang unang nagpaputok, identified ba ng walang duda?
Drjay, hayan, sinasabi ko na nga na binabato si Villar sa C5 eh mas malaki pa pala ang share ng Hacienda Luisita sa taga. I bet you, halos lahat ng mga senators at mga congressmen ay may kanya kanyang projects na naambunan kahit papaano. Lahat nga lang ng mga mata ay nasa mga presidentiables. Ang sa akin lang, kung marami rin ang nakinabang sa mga projects na yan, kahit na saan dumaan, wala akong problema. Ang may problema ako ay yung “invisible” projects na nabigyan na ng pondo eh kahit kelan hindi ginawa.
In the same vein, if he continues to ride on the necropolitics favoring his mom and dad, he should likewise be answerable for them.
Like his fans here admit, genetics is his best asset. That being said, and going one generation earlier, how does the genes of grandfather Benigno Aquino Sr. – a Japanese collaborator – fit this equation?
Wow nakakagulat ang mga komento niyo dito kay Noynoy. Bumabanat na lahat, una ang kampo ni Escudero ngayon pati si Tribune na newspaper ni Erap at yong destroyer ni Villar na si Remulla. Ang dumi talaga ang politika sa atin. Kaya tayo hindi uma-asenso. Aminin na natin na ang kultura natin ang problema. Tayo talaga ay ipinanganak na tuso. Matira ang matibay. Kaya minsan hindi ko masisisi si Glorya. Puweeee!!!!!
Tedanz, ipinapakita lang na ang lumang uri ng politika, dapat nang tapusin at di na pagbigyan pang muli ng pagkakataon.
At dapat, bago magmalinis ang isang kandidato, siguruhin niyang malinis siya dahil putik ang ipapakain sa kanya.
Tignan mo si Erap, walang kiyeme, lahat inaamin, kulang na lang pati pagpatay kay Rizal. Kaya maraming tagasunod.
Pero yung nagmamalinis, malas lang.
Chi, ang mga may-ari ng Hacienda Luisita Inc. :
Pedro Cojuangco
Josephine Reyes
Heirs of Teresita Lopa (+)
Jose Peping Cojuangco Jr.
Maria Paz Teopaco.
Pakisama nga pala yung Heirs of Corazon Aquino.
Kung pantay ang hatian, tig-17% ang parte ng bawat isa.
Chi,
Ang nag-order na pumunta ang Pulis at Army para buwagin ang picket line ay si Labor Sec. Patricia Sto. Tomas.
12 truck ng sundalo, 1,000 pulis, 2 APC, mga truck ng bumbero. Handa sila talagang manakit o pumatay. May naipit kasing 50 truck ng tubo na hindi makapasok sa Central.
Matagal nang may strike doon. Hindi naman nagpapatayan o merong threat kaninoman. For your info, ang Camp Aquino ay nasa tapat lang ng gate ng Hacienda, sa MacArthur Highway.
Para paratangan silang komunista kaya dapat patayin, diyan natin makikita kung anong klaseng utak pulbura meron ang mga opisyal natin. Oxymoron yata talaga yang “military intelligence”.
Sino ba ang mga coddlers ng komunista sa Tarlac? Paki-tanong nga kay Noynoy kung hindi niya Ninong si Kumander Dante o sinuman sa mga kapatid niya. Pakitanong din kung sino sa mga anak ni Kumander Dante ang inaanak ni Ninoy.
Hindi ba’t kaya sapilitang ibinenta ng mga original na may-ari (Antonio at Luisita Lopez) ang Tabacalera pati na ang sugar mill ng Central dahil sa mga huk?
Komunista-Huk-Kumander Dante-Lopez-benta-Cojuangco.
Cocoy, yung ruler ko!
Read the previous posts! Nobody said the striking farmers were commies. The ranks were infiltrated by agit-prop specialists of the NPA who started the rock and pillbox throwing purposely to elicit a violent response from the cops. They had no regard for the presence of women and children in the picket line just to make sure they got the response that they wanted. Mabuhay ang BAYAN, KMP, CPP-NPA!
Thanks, tongue. Now I remember…it was Pat Sto. Tomas. Tsk, tsk. tsk….sayang itong si Pat at nagpagamit kay Gloria. Taas ng respeto ko sa babaeng yan before she joined Gloria.
It was not clear to me because I was not there na, nabalita ko lang.
OK, mahaba talaga ang ruler mo at sakto, hehehe!
henry, identified ba kung sino mismong NPA/infiltrator ang nagsimula? Nahuli ba? O nakatakas na naman?
Sensya na kayo sa mga tanong ko dahil ako ay boboto.
Marami akong kamag anak na NPA. NPA rin ako. May mga pinsan din akong mga adik. Adik din ako. Mga source ng balita ko adik. Kaya pala parang adik akong mangatwiran. Siguro NPA din si Chiz kasi ang probinsya nya sa Sorsogon ang pinakamaraming NPA sa Bicol. Ano kayang proyekto ang nagawa nya doon at di malunas-lunasan ang problema sa mga NPA?
Chi:
Sensya na ha? Pang moron kasi intel namin e. Paano mo mahuhuli yung mga duwag na yan na nakatakip ang mukha at nagtatago sa likuran ng mga babae at mga bata? Pakitingnan nyo na lang ang mga lumang litrato at video na kuha ng mamahayag sa Mendiola massacre. Idol ata ng mga to si Carlo Caparas. Di coincidence yun na ang mga kasali sa Mendiola ay mga taga Luisita rin na hakot ni Jimmy Tadeo. Yan ang duwag. Habang nagtatago sa likod ng mga bata, may edad at mga babae, nambabato at humahagis ng pillbox at bumabaril gamit ang cal 38. Kitang-kita yun sa video na pinanood namin afterwards. Nang magpulasan na, marami kaming nakuhang bag na naglalaman ng mga pinagbihisan na gamit sa rally doon sa mga kalapit na mga establisemento. Kundi ba naman mga duwag. Ayaw lumaban ng harapan. Kinasangkapan lamang ang mga magsasaka. Noong mga panahong yun, alam na naming talagang tinatarget si Cory na ipahiya sa buong mundo. Boycott kasi panawagan ng mga komunista ng 1986. Di pumayag si Cory. Ayun natalo sila. The rest is history. Every opportunity they get, guguluhin nila ang Luisita at ikakabit kay Cory ang sisi. Dahil patay na siya, e di kay Noynoy naman. Mtagal ako sa production branch ng ISAFP Chi. Di mga adik at tambay sa kanto source ng info ko. Pinaghirapang buuin yang kwento ng mga maka kaliwa. Oops. Baka siraan pa ang ISAFP. Sorry. Wala na ko diyan. . .tagal na kong tired. . .
Supporters of Noynoy are beginning to sound like Fajardo of Gloria, trying very hard to defend the indefensible. Whatever they say, nobody can justify murder, sige na nga hwag ng murder, massacre na lang as if it will make a difference. Baka nga naman mag-resurrect sila kapag hindi tawaging murder. Mayroon pang isa na itanong ko raw sa pulis, kundi ba naman, napakababaw. Para bang gusto pang palabasin na kasalanan noong mga magsasaka ang pagkapatay sa kanila.
Mendiola massacre and Hacienda Luisita massacre, parehong kay Cory. Analyzing would reveal that Aquino has a ZERO tolerance against dissent. It’s ironic that the woman who claimed to be the restorer of democracy, allowed the murder of poor farmers and injuring several others who were just exercising their right.The sad part, all the killers (hired killers ba, kasi their line of work is to shoot and kill) never been jailed, and the victims never tasted justice up to now.
Mayroon din palang C-5 si Noynoy. Para din palang si Villar, he has his cake and eat it too.
Thanks, henry, I understand. Just would like to get all sides of the story kasi ang dami-dami. Besides, itong letter ni Etta is not enough for me to form an opinion for or against Noynoy.
Wag masyadong manood ng mga pelikula ni Carlo Caparas para di mahawa sa propaganda ng mga NPA. . .nabasa lang sa dyaryo at napanood sa tv e yun na agad ang totoo. . .NPA yang idol nyo no? Dami kasi NPA sa Sorsogon e. . .what a logic. . .
Easy Igan Henry. Yang mga taong yan na hindi pa alam kung tatakbo ang idol nila ay nagpapakamatay na dahil lang sa paniwala nila. Akala nila ay mas magaling yong pili nila kaysa sa iba. Puweeee!!! Puwede ba tumahimik na kayo … si Glorya ang problema hindi si Noynoy. Yan ang mga taong insecure.
Yan ang mga klase ng tao na talunan. Masyadong bilib sa sarili. Easy lang kayo mga Igan … komento lang at huwag makisawsaw sa mga taong binayaran para sirain ang kalaban. Trabaho nila yan.
Why shoot lowly farmers who are armed with bamboo sticks, they’re not really a deadly threat to the authorities were they?
And for some in here to suggest Cory and Noynoy were not in a way responsible for the mayhem in their compound needs to revisit their common sense.
“Chi, ang mga may-ari ng Hacienda Luisita Inc. :
Pedro Cojuangco
Josephine Reyes
Heirs of Teresita Lopa (+)
Jose Peping Cojuangco Jr.
Maria Paz Teopaco.”- TT
Read somewhere here or in other blogs, Hacienda Luisita was owned by the government but handed it over to the Cojuangcos only as a “caretaker”.
Paano nangyari yun? Only in da pilipins ulit ba?
Paulit ulit din nating sinasabi na si Gluerilla ang kalaban and that’s very true. But for us not to waste our precious vote (if you call it that way), kanya kanyang batikosan muna para magkaalaman, whether what’s being said here are credible or not. Form your own formula. Kahit corrupt and Pinas, may kaunting democracy pa rin. Lahat ng kandidato dito puro kawatan, just a matter how you operate and hide your loots.
lahat naman ng nag aambisyon na maging presidente ay demonyo, kaya ako ang pipiliinn ko yung matandang demonyo kasi mas maagang mamamatay
Paki-check nga sa intel kung sino sa mga anak ni Ninoy ang inaanak ni Kumander Dante.
Hirit ng hirit simpleng tanong hindi masagot. Gaya ng sinabi ko, hanggang drugs kaya kong paabutin kay Binay at Noynoy, wag lang akong pipilitin, hehehe.
Isama ko na rin kaya si Jude?
Nagpalusot pa, 173 ang taong nahuli at nakulong sa Hacienda matapos ang massacre, pero hindi maituro kung sino ang komunista at sino ang magsasaka? Oxymoron talaga. Kung sa 173 na nahuli 27 nasa ospital na sugatan, 200 lahat ang inimbestigahan wala ni isang NPA, e di walang NPA.
5,000 na pamilya ang nanganganib na palayasin sa lupang kanila dapat, kahit naman ako, makikipagpatayan na ako. Wala pa ang mga Cojuangco sa Hacienda nagsasaka na sila tapos sila ang palalayasin?
Kailangan pa bang i-memorize yan?
Si Jayjay Burgos, NPA rin?
Si Karen Empeño, NPA rin?
Si Sherilyn Cadapan, NPA din?
Yan ang hirap sa mga ganyang utak, tumulong ka sa mahihirap, magsasaka, mangingisda, NPA ka na.
Tedanz:
Tama ka. Mahirap talaga makipagtalo sa miron. . .puro bakit ganito? Dapat ganire. . Dapat ganoon. . . ang dali magsalita if u don’t know how it was in the quaking boots of PO1 de la Cruz nang tamaan ka na ng bato sa ulo at sumasabog na ang mga pillboxes sa gitna nyo. . . if u haven’t been in harm’s way before, uhh. . .forget it. . as one of the lessons learned sa mga dugong rally before ng mga maka kaliwa, pinagbawalan na ang mga anti-riot/civil disturbance management elements na magdala ng mga baril para di na matuksong gamitin ang mga ito. It was evident that infiltrators have been exploiting this by agitating the rallyists to hurt, spit on and grab the firearms, if the opportunity presents itself. It’s human nature. Once hurt, a person would defend himself with whatever weapon is available. People will kill each other for trivial reasons. Tinuturo sa mga kadre ng NPA yan.
tru blue,
Ang totoo niyan e pera ng mga manggagawa ng gobyerno ang pinahiram sa mga Cojuangco ng GSIS, yung kakulangan, inutang sa ManTrust Bank of NY, pero guaranteed ng Central Bank. Parang behest loan ha.
Maiba ako, sino ba ang nagko-conduct ng teach-ins ng komunismo sa mga unibersidad? Si Ninoy, diba yan ang turo ng military? Sino ba ang chairman of the board ng FEU noon?
Ano ba ang gusto ninyong gawin namin, paniwalaan namin ang militar o hindi?
Ang dami ko nang pinakawalang facts. Historical facts. Sino kaya ang nagpo-propaganda? Sino ang hindi maka-contradict ng katotohanan?
Sino ngayon ang bayaran? Sayang naman ang binabayad sa kanya, hindi maipagtanggol ang amo niya.
Bravoooooo!!!
(Oxy)Moron talaga. . .Paano mo malaman ang NPA e puro imported yung kinuha na infiltrators/saboteurs? Di tanga ang mga NPA na maglalagay ng mga taong nasa OB para manabotahe at matrace sa kanila. Kuwentong adik na naman Tedanz. Parang sagot ni Camille Roxas ng BAYAN USA. Huli na nga sa video na siya yung nagkakadre sa NPA e, lakas pa ng loob tumanggi. Maraming mga LFS ang nagkakadre baka di alam ng mga adik sa lugar nyo. Kung minsan pinapasama sa mga rally para maging agitator/saboteur. Take note Tedanz di mo makikilala yan. Paano mabackground check ng maayos e dyan na agad ang abogado ng BAYAN at tinatakot ang pulis na asuntuhin pag lagpas na sa reglamentary period. Take note again. Walang ID na dala mga yan. Talino ano? Paano mo nga naman maestablish ang identity. . . version lang ata ni Renato Reyes ang nabasa e. . .tsk
Pag hindi ka kayang sagutin. Adik ka na. Hahahaha!
Ano ang basa mo Tedanz sa sinabi ko kung bakit wala daw nahuli na NPA dun sa Luisita? Baka magulat ka kung ano ang alam ko sa tatlong taong tinanong mo kung NPA. Think Melissa Roxas. Di na sana mabubuking ang drama kung di lang tanga na pumayag makunan ng celfon video habang nagtitraining? Last I heard, nag aaway ang mga handlers kung bakit di nalaman na may video palang nakuha. Ever wondered kung bakit namatay ang kaso? Ninoy branded a commie by Marcos military? Ask Ramos. Politika lang yan. Bulok ang militar? Sila lang na nakikinabang. Ikaw Tedanz mapipili mo ba kung sinong kinuha ng Tatay mo na ninong lalo na’t maliit ka pa noon? Si Chiz nga ninang si Gloria sa KASAL. O di ba matanda na sya at alam nya na ginagawa nya? Alam nya bang ganito kasama ang Ninang Putot nya? Aquino’s detractors want him charged by murder as a principal by what? Association? O tagay pa mga sunog baga. . .hehehe. . baka sakaling bumaba ang rating. . .lol
While we’re discussing them, here are the two meeting to discuss their own futures…Ano kaya ang totoong pinag-usapan nila?
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Escudero and Aquino met Tuesday midnight at the former’s New Manila residence purportedly to discuss the 2010 scenario.
However, Escudero said he and Aquino, who is a close friend, did not talk about politics.
Aquino, in a phone interview, said he and Escudero only wanted to catch up with each other “since we have not talked for a long time.”
“We only touched base. We talked about our individual situations and where we are now,” Aquino said. “He’s been a close friend for the past 10 years.” http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/11/11/09/chiz-noynoy-touch-base
in light of the Hacienda Luisita Tragedy anniversary, I would also like to share my views thru videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/disenchanted001#p/a/u/0/RUgz705QYME
http://www.youtube.com/user/disenchanted001#p/a/u/1/ynkvycndEyY
or visit my humble blog at http://snipsandstuff.blogspot.com
heh,heh,heh, Aquino and Chiz naguusap, hindi sa sanado kundi sa bahay ni Noy. Talaga lang sigurong magkaibigan yan. Yun lang namang nadun si Putot sa Washington at nandun si Chiz ang may question ako. Coincidence?
PSB, it was Noynoy who went to Chiz’s house in the middle of the night, according to the news. Lalabas din kung ano ang kanilang tunay na usapan soon.
Correction: Sa bahay ni Chiz nagusap.
Dinalaw niya at nililigawan si Chiz. Chiz is happily married at siguradong basted si Noy.
If Noy wins the presidency prices of everything will go up.
Siyempre kasama sa bayong na bubuhatin niya sa balikat niya ang mga business na supporters niya. He can’t say no to them.
Businesses behind him:
Meralco (Lopez)- electricity – domino effect
dalawang supplier ng nawasa (Ayala & ?)- tubig – domino effect
Oil companies – gasolina, lpg and all oil supplies – domino effect
Mga supporters niya maraming mga pera kaya OK lang sa kanila, ang kawawang tatamaan mga mahihirap.
Sorry guys, akala ko si Chiz ang pumunta kay Noy. Yun pala si Noy ang pumunta sa kay Chiz. Hmmm. Liniligawan si Chiz. Sabi siguro ni Noy, huwag na lang tumakbo si Chiz at i-endorso na lang niya yung mga followers niya kay Noy. Ang kapalit? Maybe a top cabinet position and a solid backing if and when Chiz wants to run in 2016.
Oops dito ko pala dapat i-post ito, napost sa kabila.
Maaring lumampas sa inyo ngunit nuong mamatay si Cory, nagpahayag ng pakikiramay si Joma Sison, ang founder ng Communist Party of the Philippines. Noon pala inamin niya malimit siyang bisita sa bahay ng mga Aquino at si Cory pa minsan ang naghahanda ng inumin at miryenda. Inamin din ni Joma na may sabwatan sila noon ni Ninoy upang mapatalsik si Makoy. Ewan kung gumagawa lang siya ng kuwento pero sa isang old article sa Time magazine, sinabi ng artikulo na ang meeting nila Kumander Dante at Joma Sison ay initiative mismo ni Ninoy. Akala ko nuon, kuwentong barbero lang ni Marcos yun. Sa pagsasalaysay ni Sionil Jose, inamin din ni Victor Corpuz na sinusuportahan noon ni Ninoy ang NPA. Subukang i-google sabay ang pangalang Ninoy Aquino at Joma Sison, magugulat kayo. Me entry ako diyan sa aking blog.
Like his fans here admit, genetics is his best asset. That being said, and going one generation earlier, how does the genes of grandfather Benigno Aquino Sr. – a Japanese collaborator – fit this equation?- TongueTwisted
Ninoy was able to dodge the collaboration stigma and went on to be a senator himself. Noynoy must now be permitted to show how he is his own man- never taking advantage of his parents’ legacy, and never allowing the Hacienda Luisita baggage to weigh him down.
Ninoy Aquino CCP-NPA connections?
“Aquino also sent word to the NPA chief, Rodolfo Salas, about the planned homecoming. The intermediary was a woman of Filipino-British parentage.
Salas met Aquino in the late 1960s when the senator brokered the groundbreaking meeting between Jose Maria Sison of the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) and Kumander Dante of the NPA. Salas was then the CPP political officer in charge of Central Luzon.”
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20080822-156115/Marcos-My-best-successor-is-Ninoy
“Shortly after EDSA 1, the former Army lieutenant Victor Corpus,who joined the NPA, visited me. I asked him if it was true that Ninoy really supported the New
People’s Army; yes, he said.
It was Ninoy, after all, who introduced Commander Dante
Buscayno to Jose Maria Sison,the founder of the Chinese wing
of the Communist Party, and Hacienda Luisita is known to have been the sanctuary for Commander Dante.”
http://www.asianjournal.com/pdf/PDF/2008_SF/2008_06_20/2008_06_20_SF_A%209.pdf
hindi naman ako makanoynoy.. pero di naman tamang ungkatin yang issue na yan, hindi naman din sya yung nagutos dun e…
http://alineang.blogspot.com
Naniniwala naman akong walang kinalaman si Noynoy sa pagbabaril ng mga PNP sa mga magsasaka who were staging a strike at Hacienta Luisita.
But since he is aspiring to be president, he should give justice ot the death of those farmers they be allied with NPA or any group. They were Filipinos and their grievance was legitimate.
If Noynoy’s solution is they will just get out of Hacienda Luisita because it’s no longer profitable, you are seeing the kind of leader he would be.
Alineang: pero di naman tamang ungkatin yang issue na yan, hindi naman din sya yung nagutos dun e…
At bakit naman, hindi dapat ungkatin? Just because it involves the Aquino family, it doesn’t mean that the issue should be swept under the rug.
Fourteen people died. That was a massacre. The issue of injustice in the landlord-tenant/farmers setup is a festering problem. It should be resolved.
That’s precisely what Etta’s letter is about.
Any president should confront the problem. Noynoy Aquino’s family happened to be directly involved in the problem. So it becomes more important that he confronts the problem.
Any president should confront the problem. Noynoy Aquino’s family happened to be directly involved in the problem. So it become more important that he confronts the problem.
It is imperative that he confronts the issue, both in his capacity as a presidential candidate and as a member of one of several families directly involved. This, however, should not be taken as putting the blame squarely on Noynoy’s shoulders.
Alineang: pero di naman tamang ungkatin yang issue na yan, hindi naman din sya yung nagutos dun e…
So, hindi na rin dapat ungkatin na si Gloria ay anak ni Dadong na Kapampangan, ganun ba?
All is fair in love and war….and blogging.
Bilib din naman ako talaga dito sa mga ka-tribo ni Escudero. Ni wala na ngang pag-asang tumakbo pa ang manok nila puro dakdak pa ng dakdak. Pilit na naghahanap ng mga kasalanan ng mga Aquino. Hoy mga taong tulog … alam niyo naman na iilan lang kayo …. kung matigok ba yong bata niyo at ito’y ilibing … gaano ba kayo karami sa kalsada na mag-aabang para lang makita ang libing ng ini-idolo ninyo? Ano na ba ang nagawa ng bata niyo na maganda at kayo ay nagpapaka-ulol ng ganyan? Walaaaaa!!!! Kung ano ang inis niyo sa pagmumukha ni Glorya di ba ganun din si Chiz parang nakakaloko? Ngayon ginawa niyo pang NPA si Ninoy … bakit ang mukha niya ay nasa 500 peso bill kung siya talaga ay NPA? Mga talunan nga kayo talaga. Kung sabi niyong walang nagawang mabuti si Noynoy sa Congresso o Senado …. bakit si Escudero ba meron? Pare-parehas lang yan mga adre … sa huli tayo pa rin ang talo. Gusto niyo kayo na ang lumaban baka nga gaganda pa ang ating buhay.
In case of Chiz’s absence and would still like to exercise my right, my vote would go to Noynoy (wala akong ibang choice) so I want to know how he will handle this HL issue in relation to the current happenings. His resolve/non-resolve of this matter foretells his decision making ability when he becomes president.
But since he is aspiring to be president, he should give justice ot the death of those farmers they be allied with NPA or any group?
Naks Al naman… si Noy2 pa ba ika mo ang magsolve ng problemang ito? Susmaryosep namn…naging Pangulo ang ema niya for 6-years walang nagawa siya pa?
Huwag natin ilagay ang kapalaran ng ating bansa sa imahinasyon ng mga handlers ni Noy2 na puro ilusyonada at kita naman ang pruweba in 10 years na pamumuno ni Gloria?
Di ba halos lahat ng handlers ni Noy2 ngayon e sila noon ang nagdudumakdak nang pagbabago ng ANO? Ng lingkod-bulsa e heto magkadakuba na tayo sa hirap e may nagbago ba sa ating lipunan…mayroon Igan, lalong naghirap ang bansa at lalong naging kunsimido ang Kapinuyan?
Wala tayong aasahan sa Yellow Wannabees sapagka’t yong kay simpleng problema sa Hacienda Luisita e di nila maresolba ito pang problema ng bansa?
Ayusin muna nila ang problema ng libong Anak-pawis at sure baka humanga pa tayo sa kanila pero ang resolbahin ang problema ng bansa e di gawang biro kundi long time solution ang kailangan.
Maraming kaluluwa ang humihingi ng hustisya sa Luisita massacre at Mendiola con Nueva Ecija massacre during Tita Cory’s watch?
henry90 – November 12, 2009 3:20 am
Marami akong kamag anak na NPA. NPA rin ako. May mga pinsan din akong mga adik. Adik din ako. Mga source ng balita ko adik. Kaya pala parang adik akong mangatwiran. Siguro NPA din si Chiz kasi ang probinsya nya sa Sorsogon ang pinakamaraming NPA sa Bicol. Ano kayang proyekto ang nagawa nya doon at di malunas-lunasan ang problema sa mga NPA?
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Huwag mong i divert ang issue kay chiz. Isa kang tuta ng mga aquino. Ikaw meron kang nagawa sa bayan?
“Puro ka dak-dak”.
Alineang: pero di naman tamang ungkatin yang issue na yan, hindi naman din sya yung nagutos dun e…
At bakit naman, hindi dapat ungkatin? Just because it involves the Aquino family, it doesn’t mean that the issue should be swept under the rug.
Korek Kgg. Gabriela, kailangan ungkatin natin ang nakaraan upang maresolba ito once and for all or else para isa itong multo na laging nagbabalik sa ating guniguni.
Mahirap pagtakpan ang katotohanan sapagka’t buhay ang pinag-uusapan dito at di yong listahan ni Chavit na nagpabagsak sa pangarap ng 11 milyong Pinoy na umasa na magkakaroon ng pagbabago sa kanilang mga buhay?
Nangyari nga yong bangungot na gawa ng Yellow wannabees with the help of Kardinal Makasalan, Tradpol, Talunang Pulitiko, Bystanders, Civil Socialites, AFP/PNP, Tabako’s boys and GMA and cohorts.
Heto magsisihirit ulit upang lalo tayong ibaon sa kumunoy ng paghihirap…ayaw talaga tayong tantanan ng mga ipokritong mga mapagkunwari na lingkod-bulsa?
No to Yellow Fever…Enough is enough sa ating paghihirap at di sila ang sulusyon ng ating problema at kung magsisitigil sila e salamat solve ang problema nating lahat!
Para nang hinalong kalamay dito, ah?
Sa palagay ko, kung nagbabasa ang gilpren kong si LoreLIE tawa ‘yun nang tawa dahil kayo kayo, tayo tayo parang mga asong nagbabangayan sa isang walang lamang buto!
Palitan lang ng kuro, walang personalan. Ang pikon, may pigsa sa puwet.
MPRivera,
At may tagihawat sa ilong … hehehehehehe
Makisali nga. Now I remember what a member of the Aquino clan (when they were not yet ‘united’ under Noynoy)who was my freind told me about a road project that Don Pedro Cojuangco was able to get Gloria Arroyo to approve that increased the value of their property. It could be this SCTEX.
It’s not Noynoy’s fault naman.
It just shows that his relatives are not all that honorable. It’s true with all families. The challenge to him is how to put them in their proper place. I saw in news reports that Peping Cojuangco is back in business.
There are enough documentary and anecdotal evidence that Ninoy Aquino was instrumental in the founding of the New People’s Army, which had one of its objective the overthrow of the Marcos dictatorship.
The other objective, of course, is a radical change in structure to communism, China style.
Since it was for the overthrow of the dictator, what was wrong with Ninoy making an alliance with the Left?
According to Senate investigations the proponent of SCTEX was Noynoy Aquino.
So, it is not the fault of Noynoy?
Wow! Tedanz, fan ka rin ni Cinderella, hano?
Dalawa pala tayo.
Hindi naman talaga kaila na Noynoy once slept with the enemy, eh. He just distanced himself when Tita Cory asked for the resignation of the panduck during the height of one after the other anomalies her greedy family members and allies dipped their hands into.
Bigyan din natin siya ng fair na laban. Don’t just crucify him for faults done by his kin.
Tongue-Twisted:
Si Jayjay Burgos, NPA rin?
Si Karen Empeño, NPA rin?
Si Sherilyn Cadapan, NPA din?
Henry90:
Baka magulat ka kung ano ang alam ko sa tatlong taong tinanong mo kung NPA.
Kung ano man ang alam mo, is that justification na dukutin at patayin sila?
“Ikaw meron kang nagawa sa bayan?”- Abdul Kolja
Hehehe. . .init ng ulo mo ah. . .konti lang nagawa ko. . . kahit papaano may naitulong din naman ako. . . lalo na sa mga tunog kapangalan mo. . . puro kasi abdul pangalan nang mga nauna nang namahinga sa akin. . dakdak? Ano ba ginagawa ng mga nagcocomment dito? Ano tawag mo dun? Nagsusuntukan? Wag ka sumali sa usapang wala kang alam. . . puro kasi BOSO at iba pang malalaswang tabloids binabasa mo kaya mo gusto mong tawaging kolja. . .kahit matatalim binibitawan na kuro-kuro dito, never na diretsahang ininsulto namin ang isa’t-isa . Maaaring merong alam si Tongue at iba pa na di ko alam at maaaring meron din akong alam na di nya rin alam. .Ganun ang debate kolja. . .u should be able to take what u can dish out. . . ngayon, kung di maabot ng malaswa mong pag-iisip ang pinag-uusapan namin, punta ka nalang sa kubeta at mag kol. . ayos ba Tedanz? hehe
News item from Inquirer related to this post. The leaders of “militant” party list groups are actively seeking alliance with NP and/or LP.
Mayroong hindi tama sa ginagawa nila as leaders ng party list groups.
Kung okay lang kay Ms. Ellen, i paste ko yung link. Pero kung hindi okay, pwede rin namang iedit at idelete.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20091112-235830/Villar-more-friendly-than-Aquino-leftwing-groups-say
Boni:
Di kita masagot kasi wala akong kinalaman sa pagdukot sa kanila. Parang sa Abu Sayyaf din yan e na kalahi ni Abduljakul sa itaas. Bakit kailangan nilang dukutin ang principal sa Jolo at pugutan ng ulo? Incomprehensible di ba? Ganun din yan sa labanan Boni. Men do the evil things they do for the flimsiest of reasons. If u ask me, tama ba ginawa ng mga sundalo? Di ko alam dahil di ko alam ang puno’t dulo. People will tell me, “utak-pulbura” ka. Maybe. That’s why I’m still alive to tell my tale because I did what I had to do to survive. Yes, that includes putting to sleep forever the likes of Abdul who hate everything that we stand for. Sabi nga nila. War is cruel. Agree. May kalabisan? Yes! Absolutely! And both sides are guilty as hell!
Alam kong marami ang magrereact kung sabihin kong nirerespeto si Palparan sa military circles. Tinyente pa lang yan sa Mindanao, warrior na tawag diyan. Service reputation goes around. Parang kay Col Querubin and Gen Lim. Mga mandirigma non pareil.
Palparan knows the NPA like no other. He knows they dont fight fair. unconventional ika nga. NPA comes at you thongs and hammer. . sickle and hammer if u like, and more. Ang training ng sundalo, sa battlefield lang yan. Ang NPA, thru its political arm, the NDF, looks beyond successes in the battlefield. Alam nilang di nila kaya ang harapang pakikidigmaan. So apply the Maoist and Sun Tzu philosophies. Erode the foundations of government and it will fall like a stack of cards. Dito magaling si Palparan kaya galit na galit ang NPA sa kanya. He gives them no breathing room. He doesn’t fight fair, using the same tactics of the NPA against them. Tit for tat ika nga. Dukutin mo ang sundalo, dukutin din ni Palparan ang mga taga suporta mo. Legal fronts? They are one and interchangeable. Yung mga nagraraling LFS na nakatakip ang mukha? Yan din ang aambush sa yo. Yan ang doctrine ni Palparan. Call him anything u want. Berdugo? What do u call Sison and the Party brass who ordered the systematic extermination, Reds call it purging, of suspected moles in their ranks in the 80’s? So u think war is cruel? U bet! Kawawa ang nawawala? Yes! But aren’t your soldiers human too? Di utak-pulbura ang mga sundalo nyo.
If there’s anyone who hates war to the bones, it’s the soldier. At the end of the day, gusto ring umuwi sa kanyang pamilya nyan. Sipain nyo na kasi si Putot para tumahimik na ang bansa. . .siya ang number 1 recruiter ng mga NPA. . .
Henry: He (palparan) doesn’t fight fair, using the same tactics of the NPA against them. Tit for tat ika nga. Dukutin mo ang sundalo, dukutin din ni Palparan ang mga taga suporta mo.
I find this disturbing if military people think this is right. By putting themselves in the same level of the NPA, they are demeaning their role as protector of the people.
Extrajudicial killing has no place in a civilized society. Especially in a democracy that this country is supposed to be.
If they were killed in an encounter, that’s understandable but testimonies on the disappearance of those activists say they were picked up (Burgos was in a shopping mall while the two students were in their boarding house.)
If the military has proof that those people violated the law, which is the basis of order in our society, and which members of the military are sworn to uphold, they should have arrested them and charge them in court.
Boni:
As I told u earlier, that’s Palparan’s take of things, not mine. Kaya nga sinabi ko I agree. Kalabisan? Yes! War is cruel! I know people will never understand it. But that is reality. That’s war for you. Walang disente sa giyera Boni. Cite me an example of any army around the world, legit or not, that subscribes to the Geneva conventions wholeheartedly. Kaya nga nasabi ko na sagad sa buto ang galit ng kaliwa kay Palparan bcoz he is unorthodox. He doesn’t fight square just like them. Ahh, proof. What do u do with enemies who have no identities? Who u confront at the picketlines and ambush you on your way back to barracks. Pick them up at the picket lines and charge them with what? Disorderly conduct? Mind you, the enemy knows how we play. Nag tetable-top exercise din mga yan. War gaming if u like. They know how to bait you to elicit a desired reaction and beat u in propaganda. They are good in exploiting issues affecting the masses and milk these to their advantage. Remember the Plaza Miranda bombing? All these years akala ng lahat si Marcos ang may pakana noon. That’s how good they are in this game. Their legal fronts are all over the media. Talo ka agad sa public perception. Diyan mahina ang gobyerno. It doesn’t help any that the present government is hated to the core by the people in general. Si Palparan ay naiiba. And the Reds know that. It takes one to know one, ika nga. Btw, killings perpetrated by the NPA, military targets or not, are not judicial either. Thanks.
Transcript ng ambush interview kay Mar Roxas.
ON SCTEX ANOMALY ALLEGEDLY INVOLVING THE COJUANGCOS
MAR: Talagang black propaganda ito. Unang-una, itong SCTEX na ito bunga ito ng negosasyon ni Pangulong Estrada kay Oguchi. Kasi Oguchi fund ito. Bansang Hpon ang nag-supervise nito. Bansang Hapon ang nagpondo nito. Bansang Hapon ang nag-designate kung saan dadaan ito. Noong panahon na iyon, walang kinalaman si Senator Aquino sa desisyon o sa implementasyon nitong project na ito.
Sunod, si Pangulong Arroyo, siya ang nagtuloy nitong project na ito. In-assign niya kung sino-sino para sa katuparan nitong project na ito. Nung nanalo si Pangulong Arroyo nung 2004, itinuloy niya itong project na ito. Simula pa lang, itong si Senator Noynoy Aquino kritiko na ng Malakanyang. Wala siyang kakayahan para impluwensyahan kung saan dadaan, sinong gagawa, anong kontrata ang masusunod dito sa project na ito.
Ibang-iba ito. Linawin lang natin kung talagang itong putik na ito na wala namang saysay na siyang itatapon nila kay Senador Noynoy…ibang-iba ito sa halimbawa na ang isang senador na chairman ng finance committee ang siyang direktang nakipag-usap sa DPWH na ang isang kalye idaan doon sa lugar na ang lupa ay kanyang pag-aari. Iba iyon. So kung magtatapunan, kung magbabatuhan rin lang ng putik, linawin natin kung ano talaga.
Q: Overpriced daw?
MAR: Eh di imbestigahan. Anong kinalaman ni Noynoy sa overpricing? Hindi siya DPWH, hindi siya adminitrasyon, hindi siya executive na nagsagawa nito. Ipa-imbestiga. Hindi siya kontratista, hindi siya yung nakialam sa DPWH. Wala siyang subdivision, Hindi siya ang nag-desisyon kung saan dadaan ito. Pera ng bansang Hapon ito. Mga kumpanyang Hapon ang nag-lobby sa kanilang gobyerno na tulungan sila. Walang kinalaman dito si Noynoy.
Q: Lumabas po sa Tribune ngayon na nakinabang ang pamilang Aquino doon sa right-of-way sa Hacienda Luisita, doon sa dinaanan ng SCTEX?
MAR: Siguro, hayaan na lang natin ang mga paninirang ito na walang basehan. Itong project na ito, sa bansang Hapon, sila ang gumawa nito, at ito ay sinumulan ng Oguchi fund noong panahon ni Pangulong Erap Estrada. Tumungo na sa first term hanggang sa second term ni GMA. Kaya hindi naman natin masasabi na may kinalaman ang pamilyang Aquino sa alignment, sa paggawa ng kalyeng ito, sa anumang bagay dito sa kalyeng ito. Hindi tulad ng iba diyan na ginamit ang kanilang posisyon, ang kanilang kapangyarihan para ang pera at ang pondo ng gobyerno ay gamitin sa paggawa ng mga kalye sa gitna ng kanilang mga lupain. ”
END OF TRANSCRIPT EXCERPTS.
Maninira lang si Villar yun pang Remulla na maikli ang dila ang pinagsalita. Gusto kasi palabas ni Villar na lahat ng kandidato katulad niya na maC5 at Taga. Sumakay naman ang Tribune na diaryo daw ni Erap.
Ganyan talaga pag frontrunner talagang pinuputikan ng mga taluhan.
Yun naman pala e…gawa ni Money Villar. Thanks sa transcript, mb.
hhahaha. . .maikli ang dila. . .ok yan mb. . .that’s the problem with people who just read the news they want to read. . .hihirit pa yan. . .hintayin mo lang. . .magbabasa muna uli ng tribune. . .baka sakaling may bago. . .
henry90 – November 12, 2009 10:43 pm
Anong tawag sa mga pino-post mo? diba tumitira ka lagi sa mga hindi mo manok? BOSO! okei lang na sa boso sa pinay… wag lang sa gaya mong boso sa pinoy hikhikhik…
henry90… ang usapan dito ay kay ninoy, noynoy at cory at kung ano ang tunay na pagkatao nila at mga pagnanakaw na hindi alam nalahat……. ask ko sayo connnected ba sa usapan kay chiz???
Kolja:
Ewan ko sa yo. . .Hanap ka ng ibang makakausap. . .hehehe
Valid issues are not black propaganda. The one involved should be the one who will stand and defend himself and not to depend on others to do the job. Being the case Noy can hardly say anything except to say that it’s black propaganda. It’s easy to say it’s all mud-slinging but to prove that you are clean and honest is a different thing when evidence are there to refute otherwise.
By the way, who is Roxas? Understandably being the running mate of Noynoy will stand up in defense because Noynoy has his mouth taped or maybe he doesn’t know how to address the issue, but, for all his good intentions and purposes he is in no way in a position to refute the charges. He was not involved, he is not Noynoy. By doing so just like other supporters of Noynoy for trying so hard to defend him, lumalabas na parang si Lorelei Fajardo ni Gloria Arroyo.
To those who want to read the whole story on both sides of the issue not just one side go to:
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20091113hed1
You can not find this in the Inquirer, or a report from ABS CBN
Bombing of Plaza Miranda was the handiwork of the NPA.
Ninoy Aquino was the only Liberal big name that was not there when the bombing was done.
An advance tip from his “comrades”?
Heto di mo makikita sa Tribune. Comment ng isang mambabasa sa Star sa expose kuno ni Remulla:
“”He alleged that the government agreed to buy 83 hectares of Luisita land at P100 per square meter, which he claimed was more than 10 times the going rate of P6 to P8 per square meter for similar raw sugar lands in Concepcion and San Miguel, Tarlac.”
Susme ka naman Remulla, nadidinig mo ba ang sinasabi mo. Saang parte ba ng Pilipinas ‘yang sinasabi 6 or 8 pesos per square meters na lupang sinasabi mo at makabili nga ng kahit 20 ektarya. Mas mahal pa ang isang kaha ng sigarilyo per metro kwadrado ng lupa na sinasabi mo. Sino naman kayang nababaliw ang magbebenta ng lupa sa ganyang kamurang halaga. Kahit nga sa 300 per square meter e mura at kaya ko rin bilhin yan. Pwede ba, kung hahanap kayo ng panira kay Noynoy e ‘yung malapit naman sa katotohanan. Itong si Remulla talaga, kabata-bata pa e “trapo” na ang style ng pamumulitika. Kahit ano na lang ay ibabato kay Noynoy ng mga desperadong “trapo”. Kakaawa kayo!!!
Heto pa. Kahit di fan ni Noynoy di bilib sa inyo:
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Etong Taga NPC nagkalat ng Tsismis yun pag tismis na doon sila guilty! kung gagawa ka lang naman ng tisimis tungkol kay ngoy-ngoy yung di halata sa Partido ninyo, e kayung yung original na gumawa papaano yung tao maniniwala sa inyo dahil yung si Money Villar nga kitang kita kung papaano nya ginawa yung cremin tapos kayo ginawa nyo pang tisimis sa iba?
dapat di ganon , MALI strategy ninyo, unang una kung ganitong tismis gagawin ninyo, e sino kandidato ang kilala sa ganitong gawain di ba si Money Billoins oppps Villar pala.
dapat divert nyo sa music or technology yung isyo na makakalimutan ng tao yung bad record ninyo di yung gagawa kayo ng tismis na identified yung partido ninyo.
Bopol naman ni remulla sing dilim ng kulay nga ang future nila pag nagkataon”
“Bombing of Plaza Miranda was the handiwork of the NPA.
Ninoy Aquino was the only Liberal big name that was not there when the bombing was done.
An advance tip from his “comrades”?
Secret. . .hehe
Huling hirit:
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di ko akalain na ang tulad ni remulla ay makakapaggawa ng kasinungalingang ganito. bakit kailangang mag resulta ang lahat sa batuhan ng kasinungalingan kung maaari namang lumaban ng parehas. di ako maka noynoy at undecided pa ako kung cno ang aking iboboto sa 2010. subalit sa aking mga nababasa sa mga inaakusa ng kampo ni villar, mas lalong magiging popular si aquino dahil alam naman nating lahat na may access sa makabagong uri ng komunikasyon na si erap ang presidente ng simulan ang project na SCTex. bakit makikipag kasundo sa mga arroyo ang mga aquino para lang mabili ang kanilang lupa gayong si bigote ang nakaupo ng mga panahong yaon. paki-gising naman si remulla at gumagawa siya ng isyu na nakakasira kay villar. sayang si villar kung matatalo lang dahil sa mga kabulastugan ni remulla.”
Wala sa Tribune nyan. . .bawal kasi magcomment doon. . .
henry90: Please educate me on this issue; How could a person like Jonas Burgos (and others), an agriculturist/activist was kidnapped purportedly by government agents. If that’s true, how could he be threat to the government since he has no army or tanks to rival the military.
Tru Blue:
Only one thing I can say. Not everything appears as they always seem. . . I know ur intelligent. . . some people have the darkest secrets none of us will ever get to read in the papers. . .just read between the lines. .thanks
” Nothing ever appears as it always seem”. . napiplipit na daliri ko. ..hehe
Excerpts from manila Times…
The increase in the value of Hacienda Luisita area purchased for the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway project was caused by the global economy, Sen. Benigno Aquino 3rd said Thursday.
He was reacting to the charge of Rep. Crispin Remulla of Cavite that his family was paid P100 per square meter for the Hacienda Luisita portion of the project when the current market price for a sugar land is between P6 and P8 per square meter.
Aquino said China was moving at 10 percent per annum and was making extraordinary demand on resources of the world. “(We became a collateral victim of the high price),” he said in the vernacular.
He added the Bases Conversion Development Authority is in a better position to justify the prices as it has supervision over SCTex project.
Aquino said the locators at the Hacienda Luisita were victims of lahar flows, and they were the ones who lobbied with the Japanese government because many of the locators were Japanese firms.
“I did not lobby with Japan. President [Joseph] Estrada was the one who told me he was pushing for this road [Hacienda Luisita interchange] so I need not lobby for it,” he added.
Aquino said his family wants to give Hacienda Luisita to the farmers. “But we want to leave only when we have formulated the plan on how they could pay the debts of the corporate farm. When that has been cleared, then we could bid goodbye [to Luisita management],” he said.
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It’s up to the readers to decide…the man made his point.
“The increase in the value of Hacienda Luisita area purchased for the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway project was caused by the global economy…
He was reacting to the charge of Rep. Crispin Remulla of Cavite that his family was paid P100 per square meter for the Hacienda Luisita portion of the project when the current market price for a sugar land is between P6 and P8 per square meter.
Aquino said China was moving at 10 percent per annum and was making extraordinary demand on resources of the world. (We became a collateral victim of the high price)”
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“The Hacienda Luisita portion of the SCTEX was initiated in 2004 reportedly by Aquino when he was still a deputy speaker of the House of Representatives. At that time, the Cojuancgo-Aquinos were still allies of the Arroyo administration having campaigned vigorously for Arroyo for the 2004 elections.”
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20091113hed1.html
“current market price for a sugar land is between P6 and P8 per square meter.
Aquino said China was moving at 10 percent per annum and was making extraordinary demand on resources of the world. (We became a collateral victim of the high price)”
Kelan ba sila nagbayaran ng 100 pesos per square meter imbes na 6-8 per square meter? Noong bang 2004? Ano ang basehan ng presyo, 2009 ba?
Anong ibig sabihin ni Noynoy? Ang pinagbasehan nya ng presyo ng halaga ng lupa nila ay yong presyo ng sugar na tinatanim sa Hacienda Luisita during that time, 2004? Ang 10 percent per annum increase in demand on resources ay dahil sa sugar consumption ng mga tsikwa?
Kung ang pagbabasehan ay ang price ng oil ay noong 2004 ang presyo ay less than $60 per barrel lang at hindi katulad ngayon na nasa $100 per barrel.
“Only one thing I can say. Not everything appears as they always seem. . . I know ur intelligent. . . some people have the darkest secrets none of us will ever get to read in the papers. . .just read between the lines. .thanks” – henry 90
Wasn’t expecting such undemocratic response. It is for these reasons the Philippines is only a democracy in paper, lots of hidden lies underneath. You can’t just have people disappear for whatever reason and years from; someone like you will just say “there’s more to it…”
Supporters of Noynoy dapat magpasalamat pa kayo sa mga bloggers at diyaryo na nagbabalita ng kabulukan ni Noy – dahil nagiging lalong popular siya. Kaya huwag na lang kayong magaksaya ng panahon na idepensa siya hayaaan na lang siyang tirahin ng tirahin para lalo siyang maging popular.
“The increase in the value of Hacienda Luisita area purchased for the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway project was caused by the global economy…
Aquino said China was moving at 10 percent per annum and was making extraordinary demand on resources of the world. (We became a collateral victim of the high price)”
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Ano ang kinalaman ng China’s 10 percent per annum in making extraordinary demand on resources of the world sa presyo ng lupa nila sa Hacienda Luisita?
Siguro nag e export ang Hacienda Luisita ng sugar na may 900% tongpats kaya imbes na bayaran sila ng 6-8 per square meter ay kailangang 100 pesos per square meter.
xman,
Exactly what I’m trying to imagine, what’s the business of China’s 10 percent per annum blah blah blah or the global economy has to do with Hacienda Luisita? That was 2004 vs 2008.
Noynoy should elaborate, explain and give additional information, or else he will be seen as ignorant and he doesn’t have any idea of what he is talking about.
Q: Lumabas po sa Tribune ngayon na nakinabang ang pamilang Aquino doon sa right-of-way sa Hacienda Luisita, doon sa dinaanan ng SCTEX?
MAR: Siguro, hayaan na lang natin ang mga paninirang ito na walang basehan. Itong project na ito, sa bansang Hapon, sila ang gumawa nito, at ito ay sinumulan ng Oguchi fund noong panahon ni Pangulong Erap Estrada. Tumungo na sa first term hanggang sa second term ni GMA. Kaya hindi naman natin masasabi na may kinalaman ang pamilyang Aquino sa alignment, sa paggawa ng kalyeng ito, sa anumang bagay dito sa kalyeng ito. Hindi tulad ng iba diyan na ginamit ang kanilang posisyon, ang kanilang kapangyarihan para ang pera at ang pondo ng gobyerno ay gamitin sa paggawa ng mga kalye sa gitna ng kanilang mga lupain. ”
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Totoo na nuon pa ng panahon ni Erap na sinimulan ang Oguchi fund ng Hapon yang SCTEX.
Ang tanong e kailan sila nagbayaran? Noon bang panahon ni Erap o ni GMA?
“The Hacienda Luisita portion of the SCTEX was initiated in 2004 reportedly by Aquino when he was still a deputy speaker of the House of Representatives. At that time, the Cojuancgo-Aquinos were still allies of the Arroyo administration having campaigned vigorously for Arroyo for the 2004 elections.”
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20091113hed1.html
Tru:
You’ve read my exhanges with Boni. Take it from there. As I said matalino ka. U knew what happened to him. I owe u no explanation. Thanks.
Q: Overpriced daw?
MAR: Eh di imbestigahan. Anong kinalaman ni Noynoy sa overpricing? Hindi siya DPWH, hindi siya adminitrasyon, hindi siya executive na nagsagawa nito. Ipa-imbestiga. Hindi siya kontratista, hindi siya yung nakialam sa DPWH. Wala siyang subdivision, Hindi siya ang nag-desisyon kung saan dadaan ito. Pera ng bansang Hapon ito. Mga kumpanyang Hapon ang nag-lobby sa kanilang gobyerno na tulungan sila. Walang kinalaman dito si Noynoy.
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Yak, akala ko ang nagsasalita ay si Villar, yong pala ay si Mar. Si Villar ay hindi din DPWH at iba pang blah blah blah.
Noon pang 2005 inimbestigahan yan ng Senate ah. Hindi pa presidential candidate si Noynoy noon dahil hindi pa patay noon si Cory yellow.
“At the hearing conducted yesterday by the House oversight committee headed by Quezon Rep. Danilo Suarez, lawmakers uncovered that the Cojuangco-controlled HLI, was a direct beneficiary of the SCTEX project, whose proponent, as revealed in the Jan. 12, 2005 Senate hearing, was Noynoy Aquino who was then a congressman.”
http://www.tribune.net.ph/20091112/headlines/20091112hed1.html
Ayan na naman kayo…gulo ninyo lalo ka na florry..kahit ano sasabihin ma discredit lang si noynoy…hahaha
Subject is Etta’s letter to Noynoy related to CARP..Noynoy stated that their family is giving up Hacienda Luisita to the farmers, as oppose to my point of view, which is for AKBAYAN to consider looking into alternative solutions to help the farmers.
It’s means Noynoy Aquino is listening to Ettas request.
With regards to the price and this is just my opinion..
We trade internally using our currency the Philippine peso. Other countries have their own currencies as well China has the Yuan and US has the Dollar for example. Our currency is peg to the dollar as well as china. When you say peg it means it’s free floating. The currency dollar has equivalent value against various commodities such as gold, silver, oil, land, coffee, pork,etc. If the value of dollar goes down, the value of the commodities goes up and vice versa. Commodities is traded using the dollar because it’s very liquid although some countries trade with other currencies as well at a smaller scale In addition, currencies peg to the dollar is valued via exchange rate or forex. The exchange rate of our peso to the dollar is based on our GDP, employment, and overall business acitvity. Currently the exchange rate is approx. 1USD = 46+Peso. China is peg to almost over eight yuan to a dollar. The yuan should have been more valuable now (say 1 is to 5 as an exaggerated example) against the dollar because of its tremendous economic growth the last 10 years (at a rate of 9 to 10% growth annually). There is a big issue here with China because it’s government does not want to make the yuan reflect it’s true value even though it is peg to the dollar affecting it’s export abilities (in real terms revenue). US against China currency is another story. Let live it at that.
Going back to peso…
If the value of Hacienda Luisita per square is 6 or 8 pesos several years ago it may not be the same now if you are measure it with the land true worth. It will be higher now considering the US at that time has a surplus and the Philippine economy has been stagnant for quite sometime now at the same time China is growing..thats why our peso exhange against the dollar is as high as 46+ to 1 USD …if not for the OFW we are in big trouble now.
100 peso per square meter is cheap (about $2.00 or Y16.00) if you are to consider the value of our currency peso (malalaman mo yan kasi ang pera katulad ng barya ay gawa sa metal ..nuong una ay silver ngayon tingnan mo tanso..at tska kapag nagkakaroon ng malalaking buo papel katulad ng 500 at 1000 pesos).
Buying power of peso now is low isang daan parang piso unless we have a major economic activity to exchange it with.
Hindi kumita ng malaki ang pamilyang Cojuanco dito. Tamang presyo lang ito.
“If the value of Hacienda Luisita per square is 6 or 8 pesos several years ago it may not be the same now if you are measure it with the land true worth.”
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So, what is the value of 100 pesos several years ago during the time that the value of 6 or 8 pesos? What is the worth of 6 or 8 pesos now and the 100 pesos value as of now?
You can do better by saying that 1000 years from now, that price paid today on Cojuanco’s land is a bargain.
It’s not that I am bias in favor of Noynoy.. It’s because I can see that he has been transparent, one quality of a leader that I like.
Pero mas gusto ko yung may vision at progressive thinkers..kung tatakbo si Chiz..kuha niya boto.
Land is an asset..Phillipine Peso can be printed as many times as our government wants…similarly with US and any other countries with “free market” defining it’s actual value.
Our money have been devaluing for quite sometime now..OFW is saving us from troubles by buying our pesos in the form of padala to their relatives.
Land is an asset…..it was bought at the prevailing market price and currecy exchange rate during that time.
Correction: The Hacienda Luisita portion of SCTEX was not bought at the prevailing market price of land. The currency exchange rate during that time was used not the currency exchange rate at a different time period.
Olan,
Sabi nila dito, ang pikon ay T-A-L-O.
Anong transparent si Noy?
Hindi nga nagsasalita yan, yon ang transparent sa kaniya.
Huwag kang pikon, karinyo lang yan. Relax ka lang.
True because the prevailing market price at that time of 6 to 8 pesos is a joke for a square meter of land..Valuing a square meter of land at 100 pesos, even at that time, is still cheap if am to be ask.
No matter what I will not vote for Manny Villar..thanks anyway florry..
How did you know that the prevailing market price of 6-8 pesos at that time was a joke? How did you come up with 100 pesos during that time as a cheap price?
…consider may lupa ka katulad ng Hacienda at gusto mo ibenta say year 2004 ito for the sake of discussion..
what can you buy with for 6 or 8 pesos and compare it with your square meter of land…ibebenta mo ba sa presyong ito?
and do it again with 100 pesos.
makasabat lang tungkol sa value ng property re SCTEX.
Kung government ang nag expropriate, susundin yung zonal value or market value or assessed value whichever is lower. Sa government kapag bibili, laging whichever is lower pero kapag sila ang kukubra, whichever is higher.
Ang rule na yan ay hindi applicable sa SCTEX dahil ang SCTEX joint project ng private corporations. Isa itong pribadong venture. In this case, magkakaroon ng negotiated contract pagdating sa mga lupang maapektuhan. Ang pinakaimportante dito ay nagkasundo ang mga partido. Kahit pa x1000 ang value ng property, kung okay sa bibili, walang problema. Kung ako may ari ng lupa at negotiated contract, syempre gusto ko sa mataas ng value.
Ang tanging exposure ng gobyerno ay yung guarantee nito na mababayaran ang pinautang ng mga hapon.
Uulitin ko lang, hindi ito expropriation na ginawa ng gobyerno. Ito ay consensual contract sa pagitan ng mga partidos.
“henry90 – November 13, 2009 12:20 pm
Tru:
You’ve read my exhanges with Boni. Take it from there. As I said matalino ka. U knew what happened to him. I owe u no explanation. Thanks.”
You embrace a “personal doctrine” second to none, I gave you credit for that. At the crack of dawn, 99 percent of even the most loyal soldier will falter in bantering such as this discussion.
“Belying claims by Aquino that it was Estrada who egged him to push the construction of the Hacienda Luisita interchange in the SCTEX, Remulla pointed out that the former Chief Executive only pushed the construction of the SCTEX proper in 1999, which did not include the Hacienda Luisita government-funded private Hacienda Luisita interchange.”
“If you will analyze this closely, the project cost in 2004 before the bidding was only P21 billion but after the bidding it already cost almost P27 billion. So we can see clearly that many alterations were made before the bidding and that includes the Hacienda Luisita interchange,” said Remulla.”
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20091114hed1.html
Noynoy and Mar are both liars!
Noynoy is nothing but a thief.
Aray ko po…naman Xman, nagsasabi ka talaga ng Katotohanan at pawang Katotohanan lamang!
Opppsss ang hihirit e may 12% VAT na yan ha…imagine, akala ng yellow wannabees na di mabobokya ang bayad-utang ni Gloria kay Tita Cory?
Ang problema e biglang 360 degrees biglang cambio si Tita Cory coz’ di masikmura na semplang ang pagsuporta niya sa Edsa Dos kaya heto magkakabukingan na ngayon.
Sige pa Mr. Remulla…tuloy ang pag doremi mo at nang magkaalam-alam para malaman ng taong bayan ang katotohan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXyrK_XTvw
Maraming nagawa si Cory Aquino para sa bayan..di lang nasakyan ng mga sumunod na presidente..alam ninyo yun…
You guys made me realize…makadilaw pala ako…Vote Noynoy for President
Alam mo Igan Balweg di maabot ng pag-iisip ko kung bakit iboboto pa ng mga tao si Noynoy para pagka presidente?
Hindi na ba sila nadala sa nangyari noong panahon ni Cory at kamag-anak inc.? Sino ang magbabayad sa mga ninakaw nila? Di ko alam kung nagnakaw ng pondo ng bayan si Cory pero itong anak nya ay talagang huling huli na nagnakaw ng pondo ng bayan.
Ano ang expectation ng mga boboto sa kanya? Na hinding hindi na magnanakaw ng pondo ng bayan si Noynoy kapag naupo na presidente yan? Hindi yan magnanakaw na kasing laki ng ninakaw ni gloria? Ano ang nagawa ni Noynoy noong Congressman at ng naging Senator sya? Iniisip ba nila na kapag naging presidente na yan ay may magagawa yan para sa bayan? Gusto nila ay batang politician? Ano kaya ang gagawin nyan kung sakaling naging presidente ang batang politician na yan?
Sa madaling salita Igan Balweg, boboto ang mga botante hindi dahil ginagamit ang utak nila at ang mga na experience nila sa buhay. Boboto ang karamihan na mga botante dahil sa emotion or maybe misdirected religious values. Di nila na re realize ang Separation ng values ng Church and the State. They think that the values of the Church and the State are the same. If they think that values of the Church and the State are one and the same then they should move in a country which is an Islamic State or a Taliban State.
fact is, hacienda luisita will either be noynoys buckingham palace or his waterloo. he better come up with a clear and good explanation because of the barrage of negative attacks on him.
Spot on, Reynz!
in light of the Hacienda Luisita Tragedy anniversary, I would also like to share my views thru videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/disenchanted001#p/a/u/0/RUgz705QYME
http://www.youtube.com/user/disenchanted001#p/a/u/1/ynkvycndEyY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFumoeqkIH0
or visit my humble blog at http://snipsandstuff.blogspot.com