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Last Thursday, Gloria Arroyo’s national security adviser, Norberto Gonzales, was again in former President Estrada’s farm in Tanay, Rizal.

It was not the first time that Gonzales visited Estrada in the past two months. Last July 18, he was also there.

A source said Gonzales’ message to Erap had a sense of urgency and desperation. He told the elected president they ousted six years ago that he will be convicted in his plunder case before the Sandiganbayan. He asked Estrada not to call on his people to go to the streets.

Estrada, the source said, told Gonzales that he has no control over what his sympathizers would do if he is convicted because they know that he is innocent of the crimes he is accused of. Gonzales countered with a threat that he would be sent to the Muntinlupa prison.

Will Malacañang dare do that?

One thing sure is that Erap will not be acquitted. Not because the prosecution has made a convincing case that he committed plunder but because to acquit him would nullify the reason for Arroyo’s ascension to power in January 2001 without an election.

It will be remembered that Arroyo rode on the anger of the middle class over corruption in the Estrada administration, not knowing that the one they replaced was much more corrupt. Many of those in Edsa Dos have long regretted their participation in installing her in Malacañang.

This is supported by a SWS survey commissioned by the United Opposition conducted last July in the greater Metro Manila area on the people’s perception of corruption in government.

Sixty-six percent do not believe that Estrada enriched himself from various corrupt practices while he was president.

Seventy-one percent believe that GMA is enriching herself from various corrupt practices while president. Take note: The word is “enriching.” That means the act is ongoing and the loot is growing.

Worse is the public’s perception of Arroyo’s husband, Mike. Seventy-seven percent believe that Mike Arroyo is enriching himself from various corrupt practices while his wife is president.

If we are to total respondents’ opinions on whether Gloria and Mike Arroyo are corrupt, the answer is “nakakahiya.” Twenty-two percent think GMA is “very corrupt”, 29 percent said she is “corrupt” and 27 percent said she is “slightly corrupt” . Total is 78 per cent or almost 8 out of ten people in greater Metro Manila believe the bogus president is corrupt.

Those who said “she is definitely not corrupt” is only 7 per cent and “probably not corrupt”, 11 percent.

Not surprisingly, the public’s opinion of Mike Arroyo is very low. Twenty-eight percent think he is “very corrupt”, 30 percent said he is “corrupt” and 23 percent said he is “probably corrupt” for a total score of 81 percent.

Only 4 percent believe “he is definitely not corrupt” and 9 percent said “probably not corrupt.”

Compare that to how Metro Manilans regard Estrada: Four percent said he is “very corrupt”, 15 percent said “corrupt” and 29 percent said “somewhat corrupt.”

Twenty-seven percent said Estrada is “definitely not corrupt” and 20 percent said “probably not corrupt.”

Given this perception, how would the public accept a “guilty” verdict on plunder while the more avaricious plunderer is residing in Malacañang?

That is what Arroyo and Norberto Gonzales’ paranoia about destabilization is all about.

Sources said Sandiganbayan will come up with a face-saving verdict. Estrada will be convicted but not for plunder, which is punishable with a lifetime imprisonment. Instead they will pin him down on the lesser charge of graft and corruption which is punishable by a shorter term in prison. The court would consider the six years that Estrada has been in detention as time served.

Of course, Arroyo will try to act magnanimous and offer Estrada pardon.

Lest we forget there are also Sen. Jinggoy Estrada and lawyer Ed Serapio as co-accused. If Estrada gets a lesser sentence, it should not be worse for the younger Estrada and Serapio.

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  1. Who is this moral dwarf who is nicknamed Gloria to give pardon to a duly elected president of the Republic whom she toppled?

    What moral right does she think she have to impose her person on the country?

    Estrada is right not to accept a pardon.

  2. Why is our judicial system so corrupt? How can they surrender to the dictates of this tapeworm?

    Gloria is the ultimate anay! She’s lethal. Anays ought to be exterminated – that way they don’t cause any more damage.

  3. chi chi

    Mongolid Gonzales two visits to Erap in Tanay showed how little Gloria regards of herself. Even she’s not convinced that Erap is guilty of plunder.

    Why not? Let her throw Erap in Munti and let’s see what she’ll do when hell breaks loose on her!

  4. chi chi

    At this point when Glorias approval rating is way beyond -nil, while the gera-gerahan in Basilan, “Hilo” Garci, and ZTE scandals are thrown at her kapangitan, Erap should not worry at all.

    Hayaan lang niya na si Gloria at minions ang magpanik. He’s 70 years old already and pinoys are natural lovers of the good oldies, lalo pa s’ya na mahal ng masa!

    Gloria won’t dare throw him in Munti or convict him with plunder. Ngayon pa nga lang ay super panic na s’ya kaya kahit hindi welcome sa Tanay ay pinasusugod niya si Berto!

    Let Gloria suffer, Erap. Mas grabe ang nararamdaman niya kesa sa iyo! Tapos na ang babaeng ‘yan, ikaw ay popular pa rin.

  5. chi chi

    Even Jinggoy and Serapio should not accept the pardon, if offered. Malinaw sa survey na wala kay Gloria ang simpatya ng mga pinoy. Dapat ay mas tumapang pa sila dahil insignificant na si Gloria.

    Akala ni Gloria ay palagi siyang nagpapasko at nagbabakasaling maisahan pa niya si Erap, mauto pa matakot. Ang tindi ng sikmura ng tianak na korap! Hindi na uso ang mga gimmick ng EK ngayon.

    Gloria is definitely a gonner this time.Meron ba namang makikipag-deal sa isang loser?!

  6. Diego K. Guerrero Diego K. Guerrero

    What pardon? Gloria Arroyo has no mandate. A presidential pardon coming from a bogus president is considered null and void. Ano siya sinu-suerte?

  7. maarte maarte

    Sabi nitong Gonzales si Erap daw ang humingi ng audience para mag-usap. Sinabi pa rin ni Gonzales na hindi alam ng amo niyang si Gloria na pumunta siya kay Erap. What does Gonzales think we are, the people? Fool? Paanong hindi malalaman ni Gloria na kinausap niya si Erap eh si Gloria nga ang nag-utos niyan? Erap was quick to deny that he asked for the meeting. Between Erap and Gonzales, of course we believe Erap. Takot ang Malacanang na magkakagulo at tuluyan nang mapapatalsik si Gloria. Gloria might have approached all influential people including El Shaddai in anticipation of people’s anger and protest if Erap is convicted. Wala nang kasi mapupuntahan si Gloria. If Erap is acquitted, Gloria is in trouble because legally and techincally, Erap can be reinstated. Kung ma-convict naman si Erap, hindi papayag ang taong bayan. If millions of Filipinos rise up and then backed up by soldiers sympathetic to their cause. Talsik din si Gloria. Abangan ang sunod na kabanata.

  8. martina martina

    Pinahaba pa ng six years ang plunder case, when since day 1 ay may guilty verdict na, courtesy of the Glue. Six years na moro-moro.

    What do we expect from this clt gurl(illa) named Glueria Macapal Arrrrghoyo. Pangit pati kaluluwa.

  9. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    It’s not Erap who will be judged, it’s Philippine justice that will be.

  10. Wow, what an injustice! Never heard of such thing anywhere else except in 3rd world countries where the rule of the jungle applies. Point is why is there no federation of bar associations in the Philippines protesting this kind of mockery of justice and the law?

  11. neonate neonate

    The topic raises several questions in my mind. How does Gonzales know the final verdict? Is the Sandiganbayan beholden to Ate Glue or is Gonzales preparing for the Amnesty zarzuela? Is the Gonzales visit the closing touches of the Amnesty/Pardon drama following the other softening salvos to neutralize threats:
    deploy untrusted Marines and Army Special Forces into conflict operations in Basilan and Sulu;
    designate proven Ate Glue procto-kissers, Allaga and Dolorfino, as shields in hostile territory;
    play the geopolitical terrorism ploy with the Dutch and gag Joma Sison
    NEAT!

  12. parasabayan parasabayan

    How will we convict tiyanak later after she committed rebellion and mutiny to oust a duly elected president, then caught red handed rigging the 2004 elections and 2007 elections, caught in a string of corrupt pratices in cahoots with her top ranking officers-ZTE the lastest, incarcerates, tortues and kills her alleged political enemies? Wow, her lifetime will not be enough to pay for her sins to the country and the people! Erap’s sins are so negligible compared to the tiyanak’s gross disregard for the laws of the land against its people and its properties!
    She is the most corrupt, insensitive, with a killer and criminal instinct president the Philippines ever had!

    With Erap’s possible conviction, the re-opening of the “Hilo Garci” probe, the Tipo-tipo massacre of the marines, the ZTE scandal, and other upcoming probes, I hope she will be ousted! Her name is Glue Makapal! Bagay na bagay talaga sa kanya!

    Tongue, you are absolutely right! And the justices better wake up because if they support this tiyanak now, they just kissed their legal future goodbye! The people may be quiet for now but their anger can not be contained much longer!

  13. How can they have a verdict when the crimes they say Erap has committed have yet to be proven?

    This, actually, should be enough ground for a national uprising just like when the Filipinos launched a revolution ala-KKK two decades after the execution of the three Filipino priests on charges of subversion.

    O handa na ba talaga ang mga sympathizers ni Erap? O guni-guni lang ni Gloria Dorobo ang sinasabi niyang uprising?

  14. Dapat diyan kay Gloria anay ay sampalin ng sampal na kambal para matauhan!

  15. parasabayan parasabayan

    Anna, kambal na sampal lang? I think that does not do justice for the crimes she so far have committed!

  16. luzviminda luzviminda

    Alam naman natin na ang mga taga Sandiganbayan kasama na ang ibang korte ay kasapakat ni Gloria. Maaring may mga natitira pang malinis ang kalooban at tapat sa kanilang sinumpaang tungkulin dahil may takot sa Diyos na tunay na tagahatol sa bawat bagay na ating ginagawa. Ipanalangin natin na hindi maging instrumento ang mga justices sa paghatol ng hindi makatarungan! This justices will be remembered and scrutinized for their decision in this special case in our country’s legal history. They better do the right thing!

  17. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Anna, if I do get the chance to open-palm slap the Whore, I’d probably do it to the right cheek only. I’m terribly afraid of the mole/zit on the other cheek. I just saw these DVDs (buking na pirated!), from out of the hot-looking sluts’ moles came huge octopus-like tentacles and one enters the victim’s mouth and freezes the guy to death.

    With a creature like Gloria, you can never tell apart fantasy from truth, right?

  18. parasabayan parasabayan

    Tongue, you are watching too much of the kid stuff-outer limits!

  19. Tongue: from out of the hot-looking sluts’ moles came huge octopus-like tentacles and one enters the victim’s mouth and freezes the guy to death.

    *****

    Tawag diyan “Barang”! I just reviewed these Philippine horror movies “Barang” and “Siquijor.” Medyo corny pero OK na rin, but not enough I guess for Hollywood to adopt them.

    BTW, I saw this Montano movie “Type Kita Walang Kokontra.” My first time to see this guy in the movies as a matter of fact. Medyo kamukha ng youngest brother ko.

    Acting? Puede na. Medyo OA lang nga. He should have been wiser not to have allowed himself to be used by the criminal squatting at the palace by the murky river. Nasira tuloy siya!

  20. I agree with PSB. Hindi tatalaban ng sampal si Gloria Dorobo. Kapalmuks kasi. Dapat diyan ipasok sa Mandaluyong o kaya sa Muntinlupa!

  21. Sinabi mo pa, Luzviminda. Puro appointee ni Gloria Dorobo at mga kapareho ng asawa niyang kulimbat ang mga nakaupo sa korte ng Pilipinas ngayon. Taragis, sa Japan, kapag niregaluhan mo ang mga judges dito, kulong ka, pati na iyong tumanggap ng judge! Sa Pilipinas, narinig ko na kung papaano regaluhan ni Imelda ang mga hukom sa korteng humahawak ng mga kaso niya! Yuck! Nakakai-Yuck!

  22. pechanco pechanco

    The verdict was already out since the first day of trial. GMA has manipulated the judiciary to such a point that she could dictate anything to her favor. Pero ano man gawin ni GMA, hindi siya makakalusot sa taong bayan lalo na sa Diyos. May araw din si GMA. At iyang araw na iyan ay malapit na. May God bless the Philippines. May curse be on GMA and her corrupt family.

  23. Valdemar Valdemar

    The hard sell of the administration on the Erap case did not come up with the people’s sentiment. The administration is getting so much flaks at all flanks and teetering so that the Plan B or the soft approach is implemented thru the back door visits. Either guilty or not, the people has a sharp axe to grind on the necks of the people upstair. What they wish to happen now is to get the assurance of Erap to be merciful to them should they be toppled sooner as expected. The only ace left with the administration is the delay of the barangay election should Erap fails to agree with their concessions. The overstaying barangay official is their fifth column.

  24. pechanco pechanco

    You’re partly correct, Mr. Valdemar. One factor and problem we should not fail to include is the meddling of the church and other powerful groups. Kaya lalong lumalaki ang ulo ni GMA dahil may mga kakampi. How can she not feel confident that she can get away if Cardinal Rosales, Velarde and other influential people try to block the investigation? Kay Velarde na lang, maraming takot na banggain iyan ng mga pulitiko. For instance, Lacson was quick to react on Cardinal Rosales’ position but is mum on Velarde’s. Ni isa wala man kumontra kay Velarde nang sabihin niya na “we should move on and forget about the investigation”.

  25. chi chi

    “Wow, her lifetime will not be enough to pay for her sins to the country and the people! ”

    ***

    That’s why I rather see Gloria suffer a very slow agonizing death that will make her a beggar for mercy.

  26. chi chi

    Lacson was quick to react on Cardinal Rosales’ position but is mum on Velarde’s. Ni isa wala man kumontra kay Velarde nang sabihin niya na “we should move on and forget about the investigation”.

    Pechanco, you’re right. Takot lahat ang politiko, (Trillanes not included) kay Velarde samantalang noong eleksyon ay napatunayan na hindi na ito gaanong sinusunod ng mga miembro pagdating sa mga nais iboto.

  27. pechanco pechanco

    Chi, eto pa:

    Hindi nagustuhan ni Sen. Francis “Chiz” Escudero III ang panawagan ni Manila Cardinal Gaudencio Rosales sa Erap loyalists na huwag mag-rally sa kalye kapag ibinaba ng Sandiganbayan ang hatol sa kaso nito.

    Ayon kay Escudero, karapatan ng mamamayan ang magpahayag ng kanilang damdamin sa kalye, maging pabor o kontra sa gobyerno ni Pangulong Arroyo.

    “It is well within the people’s right to rally and petition government for redress of grievances. This is a guaranteed constitutional right. I don’t think the church or anyone should inhibit this right, whether they agree with it or not,” ani Escudero.

  28. chi chi

    pechanco,

    Aba, itong si Gaudeng Rosales ay sobra na! Pati expression of freedom ng mga pinoy ay gusto pang ipagkait.

    Nasusupot si Gaudeng dahil kapag nawala ang kanyang reyna ng korapsyon ay tiyak na papayat siya!

    Rosales’ open love for korap Gloria could become the lowest moments in the history of Catholic church in many many years. All for love of hueteng money!

  29. maarte maarte

    Kung supot man si Rosales, okay lang dahil Pari naman. Saan niya gagamitin kung tuli siya? Kapag nagigipit si Madame Impakta, magsisisulputan ang mga tagapagtanggol. At iyan nga…Rosales is among Gloria’s avid defenders these days.

  30. cocoy cocoy

    Ito ang malaking pagkakamali nila kay Erap.Hindi matatangap ng mga masang Pilipino kung ano man ang magiging desisyon ng Korte sa kanya.May itatanong lang ako mga Manong at mga Manang.Papano kung ang desisyon ng Korte ay walang kasalanan si Erap sa mga ikinaso sa kanya?
    Aber! Mabuldigat na ang mga karandaracas.Hindi kaya magmamartsa ang mga Erap loyalist papuntang Malakanyang at bawiin ni Erap ang kanyang trono? Sa aking palagay ay puedi pa siyang bumalik kasi hindi niya natapos ang term niya,ang nangyari sa kanya kung baga sa trabaho, he was discriminated through illegal termination. Ang labor law na kung naipanalo ang kaso ng illegal discharge ay kailangan ibalik ang nasisanting employee sa kanyang trabaho at ang mga nawalang benefit ay kailangan na may back-pay at retroactive.Si Gloria naman ang ididimanda ng discrimination practice at hihingan siya ni Erap ng punitive damage liban sa mga criminal case na isasampa sa kanya. Si Gloria ang terrorist ng Pilipinas iyong mga alipores niya ay mga kasapakat.

    Ngayon naman kung ang ibababang hatol ng korte sa kanya ay guilty,sa palagay ko ay lalong magagalit ang mga tao dahil walang gaanong matibay na ebidensya laban sa kanya.Political persecution ang nasa isip ng mga tao.Testimonya lang naman ni Chavit ang nagdiin sa kanya ng walang katotohanan.Si Chavit ay mahirap paniwalaan.Oo nga nag-number 1 Siya sa Mindanao.Sino naman ang naniwala doon,ang ibig sabihin walang kredibilidad si Singson,Kaya ang mas magandang gawin ng mga alipores ni Pandak,lahat ng laman ng mga container van sa mga ports ng Pilipinas ay ipamimigay na nila ang mga laman at dalhin na nila sa Mendiola ang mga bakante at ipalibot na nila sa boung Malakanyang,kukulangnin pa siguro at kailangan pa nilang mag-import sa Tsina,Korea at Japan dahil ang epekto nito ay mas masahol pa sa Katrina,hindi nila kayang bakuran ang galit ng mga tao.Aba magaling na pala ang sakit nitong si SickBoy Gonzales at nanginginig na ang kanyang tumbong!

  31. cocoy cocoy

    Kung mayroon man sa inyo na nakaalala pa ng sine ni Erap na ang pamagat ay “Buhay sa Buhay” Ganoon ang ending nito sa tunay na buhay at si Pandak ang arestado sa bahay ng habang buhay.

  32. Remember Christ’s prophecy about the false prophets in the latter days? Pero bilib ka rin doon sa mga nag-aabuloy kay Velarde, who operates as a cult of the Catholic religion, as they are taught to bribe heaven to get answers to their prayers.

    They should be told of the warning of Christ about the false prophets as in Matt. 24: 11, 24: “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. • • • For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

    There are also references of the false prophets in Jeremiah as in Jer. 5: 31: “The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?” Or in Jer. 6: 13: “For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely:” Jer. 8: 10: “Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.”

    My favorite is “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.” (Jer. 14: 14)

    Just sharing.

  33. vonjovi2 vonjovi2

    Sa bansa lang natin ang mga obispo at pari ay parang mga politiko rin. Sila ang isa sa dahilan kaya nagkakaloko ang bansa natin. Si Cardinal Jaime Sin ang nag umpisa ano na ang nangyari sa bansa natin lalong lumala ang nakawan sa gobyerno. Pinalitan nga nila si Marcos ano ang napala natin mas magnanakaw ang pumalit sa puwesto at bansa natin ay lalong baon sa utang. Noon ay kilala tayo na isang bansang maunlad at hindi magulo. NGayon si Rosales at Villegas ay imbis na sugo ng diyos ay naging sugo ng Tiyanak.

  34. Mrivera Mrivera

    ano ito?

    luto na ba ang hatol? ano kaya ang timplada?

    ano kaya ang lasa?

    makakain kaya ng mga dadalo sa handaan?

    hayup talaga ang mga kusinerong pulpol ng babaeng baliw sa bahay na bato sa gilid ng umaalingasaw na ilog!

  35. Elvira Sahara Elvira Sahara

    “Why is our judicial system so corrupt? How can they surrender to the dictates of this tapeworm?”
    Anna:

    Same questions that I’ve been asking or eveyone else as we witness these things happening in our midst! But should we still wonder why ? AIN’T POWER AND MONEY THE ROOTS OF ALL EVILS? So sad, but let’s accept it….GREEDY..the people behind these corruptions, starting from the great TAPEWORM(kudos for the term) of Malakanyang, the queen of all corrupts, buhay pa sunog na ang kaluluwa(iyan eh kung di pa kinuha ni Satanas) down to her last appointee, DAMN them all…THEY AREN’T JUST SELFISH BUT GREEDY! Akig na gid ‘ko!

  36. Elvira,

    Yeah, I know that but I think there’s an even worse reason why the system is corrupt: it’s because the people allow it to be corrupt.

    A simple formula should do the trick, don’t you think, i.e., don’t pay bribe! Don’t accept bribe! If bribing is taking place, denounce the culprits.

    I know, I know, easier said than done but how, in heaven’s name, do we start reforming a judicial system or any erring system for that matter if we don’t do this?

    Takes monumental courage to do it, that’s a given, but cowardice is not a guarantee for success either, i.e., that the people who engage in bribing (both receiver and giver) win so why not opt for the more courageous stand, at least you go down fighting?

  37. norpil norpil

    it seems that the longer erap sits in jail, the more popular he becomes while the longer gma sits in power, the more unpopular she becomes.gma’s people recognized this too late or they are too busy begging for her alms.

  38. PSB,

    Re “Anna, kambal na sampal lang? I think that does not do justice for the crimes she so far have committed!”

    Heh! Not if she’s slapped by those two gadgets on each side of her head while sitting on the electric chair!

    Damn… I forgot the death penalty is already obsolete, so maybe slap her kambal way armed with ‘poings americains’ (sorry, don’t know the term in English but it’s that horrible metal gadget gangsters like to use, and which we see in movies, that they put in their hands by sticking their fingers in each hole to go for the most damaging effect when they punch their opponents in gangland in-fighting. Damn, can’t remember what it’s called in English!)

  39. chi chi

    Cocoy,

    Bakit arestado lang sa bahay habangbuhay si Gloria gaya ng ending ng pelikula ni Erap?! Dagdagan natin, nasa bahay at apektado ng ketong na kumakain sa kanyang mga laman ng unti-unti hanggang sa buto na lang ang matira!

  40. chi chi

    vonjovi2,

    Ang mga pekeng pari na sina Rosales at Villegas ay sugo ni Demonya Lucifera. Dapat sa mga parishioners nila ay tumigil ng pumasok sa kanilang mga simbahan, baka baligtad na ang mga krus doon. (In der simbahans onli).

  41. chi chi

    Mrivera,

    Ang recipe sa hatol ay may lason para sa kapinuyan. At ngayon ay meron silang propaganda na maa-upset daw ang mga businessmen kung acquitted si Erap. Neknek ng tungaw na si Gloria!

  42. chi chi

    “I know that but I think there’s an even worse reason why the system is corrupt: it’s because the people allow it to be corrupt.”

    Precisely, Anna.

    Same thing that why Gloria is still in her stolen throne? Because the people allow her to hold on!

  43. chi chi

    norpil,

    From Gloria down to her tiniest minion, they are all too busy begging for alms. Pity, AFP already got a new name , Almed Forces of the Philippines.

  44. chi chi

    Anna,

    2 sampal is OK na rin if done by a powerlifter with a 150lbs barbel on each hand. heheh!

  45. Mrivera Mrivera

    sa galing nilang magluto’y bilib din naman ako
    nakahain na sa dulang ay wala pa ang rekado
    saan kaya pinulot napakagaling na kusinero
    ano kaya ang putaheng laman ng kanyang ulo?

    ang reyna ay kampanteng nagliliwaliw namamasyal
    kasama ang asawa niyang bantog sa kanyang kababuyan
    mga walang kahihiyang winawaldas ang kabang bayan
    kahit nangagkalat sa paligid ang sa gutom ay namamatay!

  46. pechanco pechanco

    Not to offend the members of El Shaddai, I found it ridiculous for them to hold their umbrellas upside down. Para daw tuloy-tuloy ang bagsak ng mga biyaya at grasya mula sa langit.
    Iyan ba ang turo ng isang Pastor na tulad ni Mike Velarde? And with all the monetary contributions and funds they have, they still have not built even a single chapel; instead using public places like Luneta for their religious activities at the expense of tax payers’ money. Tapos, kakampi na naman ngayon ni Gloria.

  47. Re: “I found it ridiculous for them to hold their umbrellas upside down. Para daw tuloy-tuloy ang bagsak ng mga biyaya at grasya mula sa langit.”

    Hahahahaha! Funny, funny, funny! Gosh, imagine 10,000 people holding their umbrella upside down? From a sattelite, the image must be scary… hehe!

  48. Chi,

    That’s worse, hehe! Gosh, that’s, well, … ugh…

    The sampal kambal equipment I had in mind is a metal thinggy that the palm of your hand embraces (after you put your fingers in the little holes) and so that the entire thing hugs the shape of the fist and projects very lethal knuckles that we call here, ‘poing americain’ or translated literally, ‘American fist.’ (Of course, I suspect the outcome is as lethal as those twin weight thinggies you recommend.)

  49. Elvira Sahara Elvira Sahara

    Anna,
    You’re right, Anna! People are partly to be blamed. Their deafening silence is golden for the Unano! And as long as the people behave as an audience in a live show, the longer this pinworm stays in power!
    Chi,
    Grabe ang mag-asawang sampal mo! HIk,hik,hik! Di na kailangan ni Gloria ng nose lift no’n. Sounds brutal pero approve sa akin! Sana matuluyan na!

  50. rose rose

    Addendum to what pechanco said above..no offense meant to the El Shaddai members (and they are quite many and growing here in JC)..I was invited to their prayer meeting two Sundays ago and I went. The prayer leader told the attendees to shout out loud what they want to ask from God..I know what he is referring to..”ask and you will receive” pero bakit ko isisigaw? Didn’t Jesus say when you pray go to a place which is quiet? I looked around me..and everybody seemed to be intense with their prayers..and paulit ulit na sinasabi–isigaw ninyo ng malakas..isigaw..
    ..I was quiet because I kept on asking God..you know what I need, right? I don’t need to shout, right? Biglang nagsigawan ng malakas..nagulat ako.. I am sure God knows what we need. Hindi bingi ang Dios..That indeed was a bit ridiculous.. pero I guess the method is quite effective to many…

  51. chi chi

    Rose,

    Nagsisigaw of what they want from God. At least ang mga blacks ay kumakanta at danceable ang mga gospel songs, pero ang kanilang mga dasal personal ay sekreto sa kanila lang.

    Sana ay sigawan sila pabalik at sabihin ng God na “hoy trabahuhin ninyo ang pagsipa kay Gloria, at isara ninyo ang mga baligtad na umbrellas dahil hindi kayo hahatian ni Gloria ng kanyang mga nakaw na pera, si Big Brother V lang. heheeh!

  52. rose rose

    Mrivera; Yong niluto nila na hatol ay ang panglaban nila sa niluluto ng mga sundalo. But I am sure walang kakain nor titikim sa niluto nila.
    Chi:It really is sad na may mga “shepherds” gaya ni Cardinal Rosales at Bishop Socrates who seem to mislead their flock..ang pagkakaalam ko sheep follow the shepherd by his voice..iba na ang “bosses” nila at alam na natin..And they “maybe” the “leaders” but they are not the church..we are the church. Kawawa ang Catholic Church..dapat mag pruning na and cut the bad branches of the tree..yong mga bulok..

  53. chi chi

    Rose,

    Talaga, they maybe the leaders but they are not the church. My cousin in VA still cries sa pagkabisto kay Soc Villegas, he was her kind of priest pa mandin noon tapos ay nadamay sa “Hilo” Garci. She worked really hard for Da King kaya she’s so disappointed with Soc.

    Sabi ko ay napag-utusan lang daw ni cardinal. Sagot sa akin ay OK lang kung talo siya sa politika, pero ang nakasawsaw si Villegas sa kasalanan ni Gloria ay hindi katanggap-tanggap sa mga faithfuls na tulad niya. Oo nga naman.

  54. rose rose

    Chi: I have attended masses in our black community here and I enjoyed. Hindi sila nagmamadali and you can feel the love of each other. I love Negro Spirituals..The beauty of living in Jersey City..it is an ethnic city..What I find pathetic in the catholic church..though we claim to be universal..we are not..and sad to say too some members of El Shaddai say they are not political yet..what about their leader? Hindi ba nakikita ni Mike Velarde ang nangyayari?..hindi nga..kasi parang kasama rin siya sa kainan?

  55. Chabeli Chabeli

    Ana, you say that “I know that but I think there’s an even worse reason why the system is corrupt: it’s because the people allow it to be corrupt.”

    I agree with you, too. I remember – probably in exasperation – now-Senator Trillanes said that we get the government we deserve. Until something is done, until people leave their comfort level & go out & take a stand, the cycle will go on & on & on..

  56. chi chi

    Rose,

    Where I live, Catholics are a minority, kasama na rito ang mga Latinos. Buti na lang at hindi ito kailanman mai-invade ni MV. His modus operandi will not thrive here.

    ‘Yung labandera ng sister ko ay dating ES. Pero ng mahalata na ang dala ni MikeV ay si Gloria, sinunog ang lahat ng kanyang panyolito at ang umbrella na hinahawakang paligtad sabay kalas. Nakatira siya sa eskwater, pero kaagad ay nagising.

    Kaya dapat ang mga politiko ay hindi matakot kay Velarde. Isang katutak ang kilala ko na mahihirap na hindi nadiktahan ni Velarde pagdating ng eleksyon. Iba na ang panahon ngayon. Best example ay si Trillanes.

  57. chi chi

    Why Erap is explosive factor

    By Alejandro Lichauco
    ANALYSIS

    09/06/2007

    It has to do with the desperation and hardship of the masses and their perception that there isn’t any one else they could look to except Erap. In that Erap has no equal because there isn’t anyone in the political horizon with whom the masses — or a substantial segment of them — identify. He is the physical incarnation of their hope for a better life — the only hope, in fact — and in that sense, he is really the only thing of value that they hold. They have nothing else.

    Remove Erap then, as this government intends to do, and you literally snatch from the masses the one and only precious thing they have, fragile as it is.

    That’s why this piece believes that if Erap is convicted, it becomes a question of time before the masses go berserk — as they did during those three terrifying days that made up Edsa III. That particular Edsa happened and served as a grim reminder of the social volcano on top of which this society precariously sits. And not even the entire manpower of the Armed Forces can suppress that eruption when it comes. (more..www.tribune.net)

  58. tayerevo tayerevo

    Marcos, Estrada, Gloria Arroyo – all scumbugs of the earth na dapat bitayin at ipakain sa buwaya.

    If our choice is limited between Estrada and Arroyo, then we are a hopelessly lost people.

    Gloria Arroyo’s lucky charm is Erap Estrada himself.

  59. tayerevo tayerevo

    Chi,

    Sorry to contradict Alejandro Lichauco’s view but the more we prop up Estrada as an alternative to Gloria the more we give the Unano the chance to hold on to her fortress Malacanang.

  60. chi chi

    It’s Ok, Tarayevo. Ke Lichauco naman yan e, hindi akin. heheh!

    Nilagay ko ‘yan para sa reaksyon ng bloggers. thanks.

    Actually, I believe that Gloria needs Erap to survive. Kaya binabaitan nila si Erap. Parang sitwasyon ni Marcos at Aquino. Nang mawala si Ninoy ay sumunod na si Marcos.

  61. chi chi

    Naku, Tayerevo pala. sori. 🙂

  62. tayerevo tayerevo

    The masa, however legion their numbers are, are incapable of ousting Gloria the Tiyanak.

    Only the enlightened middle class (I presume most of the bloggers here are) can pose a serious challenge to the reign of this immoral and illegitimate scum.

  63. tayerevo tayerevo

    Ang problema, marami sa mga middle class have been corrupted and infected by the virus of Gloria.

  64. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    Anna:
    ‘Nuckle Duster’ ring any bells?

  65. tayerevo tayerevo

    I am hoping that the middle class should unite, flex its muscles, and reign in the hell bound chug-chug train of Gloria the devil incarnate.

  66. chi chi

    tayerevo,

    While I agree with you on the influence of the middle class in kicking out the tianak, konti na lang yata ang natirang middle class sa Pinas. Kasi ay ginutom na rin ni Gloria.

  67. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    I’ve always had the thought that thinks will get worse before it gets better and I think that maybe that moment of change is around the corner and imminent with the expected guilty verdict to be delivered by the corrupt justices of the Sandiganbayan.

    With the mood of the masses being that of having had enough of the Lies and the present investigations revealing the huge amounts of corrupt money being demanded by government officials even though it would take years for taxpayers to repay these loans (with the VAT regulatios everyone is a taxpayer even the un-employed!) if Many of those in Edsa Dos have long regretted their participation in installing her in Malacañang then lets remember that soldiers come from these very same families – the writing is on the wall. Its more than likely that she and her corrupt partners will be ejected bodily by the many people sympathetic to Erap once the verdict has been delivered. You can feel the tension in the air.
    Unfortunately it will take a long time to repair the immense damage done by this evil woman in every Institution within this country – but its a start and a quicker way to kill the rot and stop the David mentality of the justices of the Sandiganbayan once and for all, who are about to sell us down the river, again.
    .

  68. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    that thinGs will get worse – too early for me – smile

  69. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    Transfering the Marines from the Palace to Mindanao, with Nobend Gonzales visiting former President Estrada’s farm in Tanay, with supporters Pastor Mike Velardethey and the corrupt Bishops voicing their opinions, they have every reason to have paranoia about destabilization because they have destabilized themselves by not being transparent, its that simple. You can run but you can’t hide, the day of reckoning will come – and soon.

  70. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    You can sense that there are now many witnesses ready to come out of the woodwork to tell all to the Senate investigations. Once two or three witnesses have testified to the Senate we can expect many more coming forward with information – this is what the administration is in panic mode – its the signal for mass demonstrations and with the ‘all out war in Mindanao’ they don’t have enough armed forces to contain both mass demonstrations and an ‘all out war’ together. The result is Panic!

  71. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Cocoy,
    I like your illegal dismissal analogy. That’s what is giving the whore her biggest headache. Whatever the decision, she loses. There’s always a possibility of her violent removal any which way the decision goes.
    ———–

    Anna,
    It’s commonly known as “brass knuckles”, even if made of stainless steel or bronze. WWNL’s “Knuckle Duster” is new to my ears. The Tagalog term is at the tip of my (untwisted) tongue.

    ———–

    Chi, vonjovi,
    Kung ako ang tatanungin, dapat kasuhan na iyang si Rosales ng obstruction of justice at illegal detention ni Vidal Doble.

  72. rose rose

    tayerevo:between Erap and Gloria, hopeless as they, both, may seem to be..I will take Erap, he is more of a hope, a lot more of a hope to the masses than she. Incidentally, was she ever for the poor? Si Erap ay tunay ang damdamin sa mga mahihirap. And “the masa” is incapable of ousting Gloria? Incapable? Bakit? Dahil sa mahirap at kulang sa pagkain..nang hihina? Wala kasing lobster sa lapag na kakainin. Ang lungkot talaga ang buhay ng mga mahihirap ..but “the wheel of fortune keeps turning around”..ang sabi nga. Ang sabi nga sa scriptue sa misa kanina..”he who is last will be first, and he who is first will be last”.. Gloria’s time will end and our time will come..prayers and patience..and more prayers and patience..and soon it will be done. We are not a hopeless lot..

  73. rose rose

    Tongue: Tama ka..whatever the verdict maybe..aba!los los si Gloria. Nasaan na ba siya? Nakasandig pa ba kay DOJ..sigue sandigan pa ninyo at tuluyan na siyang matumba at mauntog ang kanyang ulo (total siraulo naman) sa sementadong mukha noong amo nila.

  74. chi chi

    Oy, pwede nga palang kasuhan na ni Doble si Rosales kung patutunayan ni Socrates na inutusan siya ng cardinal, para mas matibay. Kailangan bigyan din ng mag-asawang sampal itong si Gaudencio.

  75. chi chi

    Rose,

    Kung pipili rin ako sa kanila (FVR included), hindi ako magdadalawang-isip na piliin si Erap. Santo nga si Erap kung ikumpara kay Gloria. Sabagay ay bumango pa nga si Marcos tuwing mababanggit ang pangalan together with Gloria. Ang baho talaga ng Corruption Queen Gloria!

  76. You bet, Chi. Ayoko si Erap because of his philandering, not plundering, but the guy is sincere when it comes to charity to the poor. Tunay iyan at hindi plastic gaya noong unanong dorobo!

    I was supposed to work with him on a project in fact re streetchildren in the Philippines pero hindi natuloy because he was removed from office. Of course, kulo ang dugo ko!

    Iyong asawa niyang si Loi ang isa sa fundraisers niya. Nakilala ko kasi iyong kaibigan nilang doctor na kasakasama nila sa mga pakulo nila to raise funds for their “Erap para sa mahirap” project.

    Siya ang dapat magkaroon ng rebulto sa totoo lang balang araw! You bet, pag nakabalik iyan sa puwesto, alam na niya ang dapat niyang gawin. Natoto na siya sa mga kurakot na nanloko sa kaniya gaya ni Angara, Brenda, et al para magtiwala pa siya sa kanila. Dapat diyan patapusin ng term niya.

  77. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Yuko says:
    “…Dapat diyan patapusin ng term niya”

    E, si Pandak, tapusin na ang Term! At simulan ang bagong term.

    Sa Muntinlupa!

  78. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Mainit pa rin yung ZTE, tahimik ang Malacañang, may gago oberder. Gag order pala!

    Alam ko na ang dahilan. Pati na kung bakit “ninakaw” yung kopya ng kontrata, pati na kung bakit kahit meron na raw reconstituted (parang evaporated milk) contract pero walang maipakita.

    Sabi ng tindero ng tinapa, si Small One mismo ang pumirma! Kung hindi raw totoo, bakit hindi nila ilabas yung kopya.

    May katwiran! Ilabas na ang kontrata! Huwag pagtakpan ang tunay na dahilan kung bakit nag-round trip sa China samantalang nakaratay si Taba!

  79. chi chi

    “…may gago oberder”

    Tongue,

    Sumasakit ang panga ko sa katatawa. Hahahahha!!!

  80. Valdemar Valdemar

    Penchanco,

    I do have my misgivings on religious flavors. Like when the CBCP finally decided against PGMA but it was too late to satisfy the 71%. When politicians kneel to the cult leaders only to magnify their winning stakes. Where to turn to as a refuge on the black and white plague, when religion becomes the middleman in the shabu trade and jueteng cases, handlers on the farcical tapes, and mouthpieces of political persecutions. But may the best man wins religion favors on its many facets. The Muslims are winning because they have only one religion. PGMA is winning because she has a lot of religions back ups. You and I unfortunately are on the losing religion by default.

  81. “may gago oberder. Gag order pala!”

    Tongue, ikaw ha. I don’t think this is inadvertent. Mukhang sadya.

  82. rose rose

    Tongue: wala na bang ibang lugar na puedeng doon siya..kundi Muntinglupa..tuturuan yan ni Bunye kon saan ang comfortable sa Muntinglupa..ang tatay ni Bunye ay dating Superintendent doon. Ano pa ba ang active volcano at noon siya accidentally mahulog? Out of the 7,100 islands, mayroon ba na surrounded with sharks and piranha?

  83. Kaya siguro pinayagang makapagpatayo si Jaloslos ng bungalow sa Muntinlupa. Iyon yata ang paglalagyan kay unano pagpunta niya doon! Puede ba sa Mandaluyong na lang siya?

  84. Hi Tongue and WWNL,

    I think the terms you mentioned are accurate descriptions of the gadget I speak of, hence, must be the ‘name’ for them.

    Thanks.

  85. Mrivera Mrivera

    kung natatandaan pa ninyo ang isa kong post tungkol sa seit lake sa panamao, sulu, doon maigeng ihulog ang reyna ng kasinungalingan. wala pang makapagsabi kung gaano kalalim ang nasabing lawa sa ibabaw ng burol sapagkat sinubukan nang hulugan ng ilang banatang (rolyo)lubid at sinisid ay hindi maarok ang kalaliman.

    ihulog muna sa dram ng mixed concrete at patigasin saka itapon sa seit lake.

    tamang tama na ang bantay doon ay mga MNLF na sagad buto ang galit sa kanya!

  86. chi chi

    Mrivera,

    Ayos ‘yan at si Gokusen ang gawin nating superintendent para siguradong hindi mabubuhay na muli sa pagkakalublob sa seit lake ang reyna ng kagaw.

  87. pechanco pechanco

    Mr. Valdemar, I’m not sure if Muslim has only one religion as you said. What I know is Muslim has many groups that are even now fighting one another. Those in Iraq is an example. But compared to Christians, yes I agree. Sobra na kasi ang daming Christian churches. Nang nauso ang mga charismatic groups o tinatawag na Born Again, lalong nagkagulo. For the Catholics, El Shaddai, Couples for Christ are among the many groups. Kahit na sa Couples for Christ nahati na sa dalawang grupo at balita ko nag-aaway ngayon. Sometimes, I would like to see all religions disappear. Instead of love and unity, they fight. At kung minsan, ang mga religion ang nakakahadlang sa pag-asenso ng bansa at kabuhayan ng tao. For example, let’s take these fiestas that are handed down to us by the Spaniards. Ang mga pobreng mga tao ibinebenta ang mga ari-arian, kalabaw, baboy o kaya uutang para lang mag-fiesta. I think this is wrong.

  88. chi chi

    pechanco,

    Dito ako nag-post, nawawala tayo ng loop.

    58% of Americans disapproved of Bush. Humahabol na siya kay Gloria’s 70%. Bush, with his author, recently came out with a book detailing his youth, drugs…and iiyak-iyak pa, etc. , but people are unmoved. Lame ducks na silang dalawa, kaya nagtatapikan na lang sila ng shoulders sa APEC.

    Well, those businesshits still singing hosannas to Gloria are the main beneficiaries of the tianak’s shenanigans, nagkakamutan sila.

    Like it not, winner si Erap sa kasong ito.

  89. This Erap tragedy must have been planned from day one the dorobo sat on the throne at the palace by the murky river. Now she craves even for adulation of Filipinos similar to what the Filipino masses are giving Erap by pretending to be benevolent and kind, telling him of the court’s verdict even before the judges of the Sadiganbayan can even deliberate on his case and make their decision.

    The nerve of these crooks to even make announcements about the creep’s willingness to grant Erap a pardon when in fact he is not guilty of the charges of plunder against him! If there is any that he can be rightfully and legally held responsible for, it is bribery, in which case, they need to send the briber, Chavit Singson, also to jail. The briber’s culpability is as serious and grave as that of the recipient of his bribe.

    Rose is right. Justice has long been dead there, and what they have there now is a Death of Justice, not a Kagawaran ng Katarungan!

  90. rose rose

    Ayos ang buto buto sa seit lake ang takbo! Areglado na.
    ..May nabasa ako kanina na ok kay Erap ang reconciliation for the good of the poor. Ngayon, si GMA ang mag offer ng reconciliation. And that would be an acceptance that inagaw niya kaya siya naging pang gulo. Di dapat ibalik niya kay Erap ang puesto and that would make him legit..
    ayaw ni ERap ang pardon, kasi wala na man siyang kasalanan. Hindi ba ito din ang stand nila Sen. Trillanes and Co,? kaya ayaw nila ng amnesty. hindi naman sila nagkasala..Kahit siya ay matalino pa sa matsing..mahuhuli din..hilo..hilo.. hilo..

  91. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Ellen, promise, hindi ko sinadya.

    Plinano!

  92. maarte maarte

    Sa labis ng pakikialam ng Catholic Church sa politics, pati Family Planning Program ay pinakialaman na din. Here’s a portion of Jake Macasaet’s column:

    “Pati pala mga kamag-anak kong magsasaka ay takot na rin. Kung hindi mapipigil ang pagdami ng tao, kahit magkano pang halaga ang ilagay sa negosyo, patuloy na maghihirap ang Pilipino.

    Ang hindi nalalaman halos nino man ay kung magkano ang ipinapadala ng Simbahang Katoliko bawat buwan o taon sa Roma. Sa kalkula ko mas malaki ang halagang iyan kaysa ginagastos sa charity o kawanggawa ng Simbahan.

    Sa laki ng naging galit ko, sinabi ko sa kanila na bakit hindi nila pansin kung mag-anak ang pari. Masuwerte sila dahil wala silang pananagutan. Hindi pinag-aaral ang anak nila. Iniiwan sa babae na inabot ng malaking kahihiyan.

    Kung madiskubre ang isang pari na nagkaanak, di ba dapat parusahan. Pinarurusahan naman talaga. Pero para sa kanila, malaking gantimpala ang ibinigay ng Simbahan sa malaking kasalanan.

    Alam ba ninyo kung bakit? Ang mga paring nagkaanak ay pinadadala sa Amerika. Ginagawa raw driver ng mga paring Kano. Hindi parusa iyon. Lahat halos ng pari ay gustong makarating sa Amerika. Kahit driver lang ang trabaho. Ang bagay na iyan ang isang dahilan kung bakit dumarami ang umaalis sa pagka-Katoliko.”

  93. harvy harvy

    Anong nangyayari? 6m drug addict, bata ginagahasa, pinapatay, nag gogolf abalos, pinatitingnan ni arroyo ang climate change, huwag na lang pumasok eskwela, huwag na lang trabaho, erap loko pa rin mahirap, hilo na ko sino ba pinuno, AFP? ina arm wrestle tayo ng dambuhalang AFP kaya drug addict, rapist, sinungaling, mamatay-tao na lang tayo. sa kabilang-banda may nakangisi pa kahit pugot ulo-sundalo natin. talon na lang ako building sama ko si maliit o malaki.huwag na lang sayang din $75m punta lang sa iba. takot na ba tayo lahat mamatay? patay na ko pero nakakasulat pa rin. sagarin na natin ang bayan gyera na kung gyera para takbo na ibang bansa yon may marami dolyares.patay pa rin ako. at ikaw syempre.

  94. maarte maarte

    Harvy, may I know if you have a solution to all what you mentioned? Have you done or are you doing your part? Huwag ka sana magalit sa mga tanong ko. Many are like you and me…hanggang sulat lang. Marami ang tulad mo na abot langit ang pagkamuhi sa gobyernong ito. Once, someone argues by asking me this question: “Okay, you’re very mad at Gloria Arroyo and don’t accept her as President, but where do you renew your passport? Department of Foreign Affairs, right? And who signs the passport? The officials appointed by the President who is Gloria Arroyo.” The message the person wanted to convey to me was that Gloria is still the president even if many don’t accept her. She’s still the one foreign countries deal with. Iyan nga ang hirap…hanggang nandiyan ang tarantada nagagawa niya ang gusto niya. Kapag mapatalsik ay tatawa lang at sasabihin: Eh ano, natapos ko din ang termino ko. Marami akong pera. Kayo? Meroon ba kayo? Ang sagot ko diyan ay: Hindi lang patalsikin siya ngayon, patayin na!

  95. tayerevo tayerevo

    Most likely scenario:

    Erap is found guilty,
    Will accept a compromise of lesser jail time in Tanay,
    The Unano offers reconcilliation.
    Erap lives like a king in his mansion.

    All’s well that ends well para sa dalawang magnanakaw.

    Parang si Imelda.

    Hanggang saan ang kawalanghiyaan??!!

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