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A cry for shepherds

Last January 19, some 134 concerned citizens gathered at the Asian Social Institute in Malate, Manila for a whole day of “discernment for the common good”.

They came out with a call to the Catholic Bishops of the Philippines titled “A Cry for Shepherds”

I.The Signs of the Times

We are now a nation where all moral values in our public lives are lost. Prostate, our people wallow in the guts of disgusts in these disturbing times of desolation. We are deeply wounded and hurt in the face of…
– so much lying, cheating, lying;
– so much extra-judicial killings;
– so much forced disappearances and harassment of political dissenters;
– so much hoelessness and massive deployment;
– very low wages and high prices of goods and services;
– desecration of human rights, human dignity, and human life;
– desecration of institutions, and blatant violations of the rule of law;
– widespread and worsening graft and corruption;
– abusive and repressive authority;
– massive fraud and violence during elections.

We are paralyzed by confusion, division and desperation.

II. The Anguished Cries of our People

But we remain undaunted. We come before you and call upon you for help and to be with us in these difficult times. Accompany us to fight the sins of timidity and apathy in the wake of so much untruth, injustice, and suffering. Pray with us for courage and strength to see and hear only the truth – the truth that cannot be bought, twisted or silenced; that we may fulfill our ministry in the just ordering of society.

III. The Call

As our Bishops, we ask you o be like Moses of old to whom the Lord said…”I have indeed heard the cry of my people, and I see how the Egyptians are oppressing them. Now I am sending you to the king of Egypt so that you can lead my people out of his country”. (Exodus 3:9-10) Listen to the cries of your people.

We ask you to be with your flock to denounce and move clearly against glaring wrongs and evils. As an urgent concern, please reiterate and make them as demands your persistent calls fro electoral reforms vis a vis the May 2007 election.

Again…this is our cry, Walk and struggle with us! Hirap na hirap na po kami! Samahan nyo nman kami! Be our shepherds! Be our bishops!.
The Convenors

Col. Guillermo Cunanan (ret.) Marietta P. Goco Atty. Oscar Orbos

Dr. Mina Ramirez Atty. Carlos Serapio Atty. Louie Sison

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110 Comments

  1. I’d rather that this group ask the Catholic Church to confine the activities of the priests and nuns within the walls/cloisters of their convents. They should not meddle in politics anymore but teach Filipinos to fear the God, for “the fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Prov. 1: 7)

    That’s actually the problem of Filipinos. They take God and His Commandments for granted, and even the mundane law about the separation of church and state!!!

    I pray that they are not being this: “Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.” (Matt. 23: 28)

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!

  2. One of the signatories is Col Guillermo Cunanan? Hahahahahah!

  3. joeseg joeseg

    Please allow me to post this which is relevant to this thread:

    Psalm Explained:

    This is an eye opener; probably we never thought about it nor looked at this Psalm in this way, even though we say it over and over again.

    THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD — that’s Relationship!
    I shall not want — that’s Supply!
    He maketh me to lie down in green pastures — that’s Rest!
    He leadeth me beside the still waters — that’s Refreshment!
    He restoreth my soul — that’s Healing!
    He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness — that’s Guidance!
    For His name sake — that’s Purpose!
    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death — that’s Testing!
    I will fear no evil —– that’s Protection!
    For Thou art with me —– that’s Faithfulness!
    Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me —- that’s Discipline!
    Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies — that’s Hope!
    Thou annointest my head with oil — that’s Consecration!
    My cup runneth over — that’s Abundance!
    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life — that’s Blessing!
    And I will dwell in the house of the Lord — that’s Security!
    Forever — that’s Eternity!

    Face it, the Lord is concerned about you. I thought this was pretty special, just like YOU!!! What is most valuable is not what we have in our lives, but WHO we have in our lives.

  4. Anna, re your comment: “One of the signatories is Col Guillermo Cunanan? Hahahahahah!”

    Why?

  5. Ellen, coz dear Colonel Cunanan ain’t a paragon of virtue and truth himself.

  6. And am not referring to the husband of Bel of the Inquirer Cunanantics fame.

  7. Juan del Mundo Juan del Mundo

    They’re not asking the bishops to run for Congress, aren’t they?

  8. Yes, it’s Gerry Cunanan. He is an FVR guy, right?

  9. Juan, they are asking the bishops to be more pro-active in their leadership. That’s the way I understand it.

  10. joeseg joeseg

    The convenors manifested the anguished cries of our people at present time and it is true.

    The cries of our people is best described by a poem of Mrivera (posted at si Gloria na ang Isyu which has 880 responses as of this moment and still counting). I provided some interpretation in closed parenthesis:

    kayrami ng buhay ang nawalan ng direksiyon
    (may nasa abroad, may naiwan sa Pinas, may nasa parang at bundok, may mga naligaw ng landas, may nagbibilang ng poste ng meralco)
    kayrami ng tahanang sa dusa ay nabaon
    (sa daming landslides, daming bahay ang natabunan ng putik)
    hindi na magkamayaw ang sigaw ng layon
    (sari-saring sigaw ng boo, boo, boom boom tarat)
    buwagin ang rehas ng ating pagkakulong
    (kumuha ng martilyo at pukpukin muna ang hollow block para humina ang pundasyon ng bakal)
    sa kuyom ng palad ng sukab at buhong!
    (upang maka-eskapo sa mga walanghiya at makapag shopping naman)

  11. Ang cute naman ng tula nyo ni MRivera, Joeseg.

  12. vic vic

    This is not to critisize the convenors who are calling for the Shepherds (bishops)to walk with them in their struggles, and the struggles are not theirs alone, but it is it necessary to use prefixes on their names? I know a professinal title is a pride, but as a concerned citizen this is irrelevant to the purpose. Their given names could have had sufficed.

  13. What these guys are asking the priests and nuns to do is similar what they did in EDSA 1 and 2, meddle in politics!

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!

  14. Speaking of pride, it is one of the things I understand God condemns!

    Oo nga ano? Why do these signatories have to put their ranks and titles before their names if they are not trying to make themselves look important? Pinoy talaga! Mahilig ng mga titles kasi sa totoo lang wala naman sila!

  15. Juan del Mundo Juan del Mundo

    Ellen,

    Does being pro-active mean for the bishops to be leading the political frontline? Wouldn’t they be abandoning the spiritual high ground? Aren’t the lay called to lead and fight it out on the ground, in the battle field of politics? What’s Oca Orbos doing there, hiding? He should be a senatoriable isn’t he? Even a presidentiable, isn’t he? Wouldn’t some of these guys be committing a grave sin of ommission if they don’t go out and fight? Why cry to the shepherds when they should be fighting out there and not push the bishops to fight their fight?

    I’ll vote Oscar Orbos for Senator. The season for debates and indecision is over. It’s the season for action.

  16. Apparently, these men and women have no trust in their own prayers. They need the priests and nuns to pray for them and lead them in their rallies for better Philippines against whom? Talk of “ang mga naliligaw ng landas!”

  17. Chabeli Chabeli

    Is this “Atty. Louie Sison” the same one who is w/ the Black & White Movement ? Is he also the one who went to a convent (?) in Guadalupe when Samuel Ong was being protected by the priests ?

  18. chi chi

    Magaling ang tandem ninyo ni Mrivera, joeseg. Sige pa at pagkakatihan natin iyan pagtalsik ni Dirty Mama Glueria.
    ****

    Mukhang mas gusto ko ngayon ang aksyon kesa sa blessings ng CBCP!

    Ang sabi nila “We are paralyzed by confusion, division and desperation.” Sino ba ang hindi e pati CBCP ay ganun din! Mas maigi siguro ay mauna na sila sa pastulan at huwag ng hintayin ang kanilang mga Shepherds!

  19. chi chi

    Ooppss…pagkakakitahan. medyo green ‘yong isa :).

  20. fearfulwarrior fearfulwarrior

    Walang iba iyan sa nakasulat sa biblia in the book of Matthew. People keep calling Lord, Lord but the Lord won’t listen. Why call Him Lord yet don’t obey His commandments?

  21. chi chi

    Vic,

    I agree with you that labels are just ego speaking. Sabi nga ni Yuko which is very relevant to today’s happenings in Pinas, “makakain ba yan?”

    There’s another thing which spoke of the same, palakihan ng mesa sa opisina. Mas malaki, mas mataas daw ang ranggo!How can the ordinary people identify with them, or trust them when they are putting a divide between the elite and masa with the use of the ego speaking titles? Now I understand why they fail to enccourage the masses to share their fight!

  22. joeseg joeseg

    Manay Chi

    Oy, nalinsad yata ang iyong pagmamakinilya. Obscene yong pagakakatihan. Galit sa atin sila, sige ka. Mabuti kinorek mo. Tumula ka uli at bibigyan ko rin ng aking intepretation.

    Chabeli

    Si Oca Orbos, nasa pastulan na yon noon pa. Hindi nga ba isa siya sa mga alleged destabilizers na pinagiinitan ng militar? Hindi ko lang mahinuha kung bakit sinabi nilang paralyzed sila ng confusion, division and desperation.
    Kapag ganyan ang nangyari sa atin, saantayo dadalhin ng ating kapalaran sa mundong ibabaw?

    Kaya tayo, we will not be paralyzed by any move to confuse and divide us which will eventually bring us to..into viewing the Desperate Housewives!

  23. chi chi

    Ewan ko joeseg why they are confused, e malinaw namang si Dirty Mama Glueria ang isyu!

    Kung sila ay desperate na mga de-titulo, e di mas malala ang pagka-desperado ng mga ordinaryong pinoy at M15.6 hungry ones.

    Kung sila ay nakakaramdam ng division, e di mas lalo ang mga pinoy na nagdi-divide ng isang salop na bigas para makain sa loob ng isang linggo dahil sa kawalanghiyaan ng pekeng pangulo!

    I undertand that this group speaks for all disadvantaged pinoys, but the masses will not hear them for as long as they are beyond reach.

    Kung nais ng mga grupo na ganito na maging success ang kanilang laban, hikayatin at isama ninyo ang masa!

  24. joeseg joeseg

    Manay Chi

    Sinabi mo pa. Talagang malaki na ang bilang ng naghihikahos at nagugutom. Sa report, rounded up na ito sa 16 million, mahirap daw kasi yong may decimal point. Nakaka-confused, nakaka-divide ng attention at nagiging desperado ang nakakabasa.

    Pero totoo yan. Have you read this news from BizNews Asia?

    Even as Mrs. Arroyo ranks number 1 in the list of 100 most powerful Filipinos (Erap ranks no. 2), she is described by the magazine as “the most unpopular president in Philippine history.”

    Even as BizNews Asia states that during Mrs. Arroyo’s six year watch, the economy grew by 5 percent over a sustained period. But the magazine also pointed out that, despite the growth, the lives of the Filipinos have not improved. “The empirical data (are) very disappointing. About 52 percent of families say they are poor, a ratio of poverty twice the official poverty incidence of 27 percent. Hunger, the worst form of poverty, afflicts a record high of 19 percent of families or 16 million Filipinos.”

    It was also stated that the Arroyo administration has failed to negate Estrada’s accomplishments during his short-lived term, enumerating them as (1) attracting a record amount of foreign investments; (b) reviving the economy from zero growth; (c ) Inspiring the people’s faith in their government and (d) achieving a high level of competitiveness for RP—number 33 in the world, compared to the current 73.

  25. vic vic

    chi,
    how true chi. our CEO have perhaps a handful of degrees from Ivy League, but I never seen her signing her name with one. Same with our political leaders, which by law, can not use anything but their usual names. so far only doctors are addressed the way they are and maybe the Church leaders. I think its about time we should start being humble and its been almost 40 years the last time I used my title and allow me.. vic, CPA

  26. vic vic

    And a big LOL..

  27. joeseg joeseg

    Vic

    You’re right in your observation. So much so that since I started blogging here, I’m always the promdi guy, from the province. It’s nice to be that way

  28. Let me add my title too to my name:

    Anna, Barrio Lass

  29. chi chi

    Vic,

    I have one here at home who has a title from an Ivy League and two others from business schools in Europe, but I haven’t seen him even once signed a communication with a label before his name. He hates it, in fact.

  30. chi chi

    Anna dearest,

    What a lovely title!

  31. Chi

    That’s because the one in your home who has those titles have TRUE (not fake) titles and doesn’t have to prove to anybody the kind of education he has.

    People in Europe don’t attach titles to their names.

    We call our lawyers and baristers, Mr or Ms or Mrs.

    Only doctors of medicine attache their titles to their names systematically but unless they need to, we call them Mr or Mrs or Ms as well.

    What makes me laugh is when a person in Pinas happens to be an engineer by profession, he insists on signing his name by putting Engineer at the beginning. Completely hilarious!

    I’ve worked with top level engineers all my life here and NOT ONE, NOT ONE, ever signed his name by putting engineer before, after or below his name! They used to wonder why Pinoy reports they read were signed: Engineer Juan Tamad (for example) Heheheh!

  32. chi chi

    joeseg,

    Dirty Mama Glueria is most powerful pinoy dahil binaboy niya ang militar at kapulisan! Kung wala ang sektor na ito, melted na s’ya na parang inihaw na marshmallow!

  33. chi chi

    Anna,

    Reason why I use the word label instead of title is because I’m reminded of a can of sardine.It has to be labeled so we
    will know what’s inside. heheh!

  34. Chi,

    At least sardines are useful – heheh…You realize that Sardines are a standard feed for our troops?

  35. vic vic

    And sardines are very healthy food, but the titles laden, especially the Economist in Malacanag with her Atty. escort are both unhealthy to the health and economy of the Nation.

  36. Spot on Vic! Sardines are good on toast garnished by fried sliced tomatoe (fresh one) plus lots of parsley to go along with a nice glass of Chabli – hahahah!

  37. chi chi

    Vic,

    Heheh, even poisonous because the title is fake!
    **

    And yes Anna, sardines are better than one dirty mama we know!
    Sa sardinas ay may pakinabang, sa dirty mama G ay nada!

  38. jay cynikho jay cynikho

    Yan ASI yan ang dating Maryknoll na
    nadadaanan namin puntang padre faura
    sa lumang Ateneo. Esmarte ang mga chicks
    diyan noon, uniformeng green and white
    partner ng green archers noon panahon
    ni eddie decena at andres franco. Noon
    hindi pa one way yan kalsadang yan
    na marahil kasama sa libro ni Carmen
    Guerrero.

    Low profile ang ASI, bakit sumulpot diyan
    ang grupong tila pakawala rin Gloria or
    smoke screen ng mga bishop. baka pati
    reputasyon ng ASI masira.

  39. jay cynikho jay cynikho

    Anna de brux

    Dami mong kilala sa military. Check list nga tayo. Seguro they don’t remember me or had not known me kasi I was only a barrio boy. Kung itong dating nakilala ko na mga PEMAYERS ay buhay pa at kakandidato pagka senador iboboto ko silang lahat dahil sa tingin ko walang corrupt sa kanila. Tama ba ako. Sino ba ang hindi ko dapat iboto dahil marami sa kanila hindi ko nasubaybayan ang military career. Kilala mo ba sila. Do we have in common, a
    Little knowledge of good Pemayers? Heto sila:

    Marcos Soliman – dating superintendent
    Jose MCDL Zumel – dating Baron
    Raul Imperial – dating battalion commander
    Nap Angeles – dating Baron
    Bayani Fabic – sinampal, pero matagal na sgt sa lower house
    Cesar Go – dating Baron
    Sawamgpunka – Thai di puedeng magsenador
    Tagumpay Jardiniano – hero ni Cory, bata ni Tabako
    Felix Guerrero – topnotch bn co

    Oy Anna, iboboto kong lahat yan, sino ang dapat
    Pag aralan ko muna bago iboto?

    This is like: tell you who I know so you will also Know a little of me. And not the other way around.

    Pasensiya na Ellen na na ulit sa thread na ito
    para tiyak na mabasa ni Anna.

  40. Thanks, Jay for your confidence.

    I’m sorry I don’t know all of these officers except Jardiniano of the Philippie Navy. If you really want to know my honest opinion of Jardiniano, my opinion of him isn’t high at all.

    Allow me to advice you and hope you won’t take it badly, there are good people in the military as well as bad. There are those who will certainly qualify to be in public service in an elected capacity but I don’t believe, it is wise to push current or even former military officers to run for public office unless they themselves believe it is their calling.

    Some of the best leaders in an elective capacity came from the military and many of the world’s democracies today were a result of some of the greatest leaders who were once generals or admirals.

    But, in the Philippine context, I still have to see the likes of Eisenhower, Duke of Wellington (considered the best Prime Minister the UK ever had) Napoleon, who was undoubtedly one of the greatest administrators France ever had, George Washington… and a few others.

    In the absolute, politics and the military don’t go well together although I must admit that today, it seems they are like biniyak na kamote because they love each other so.

    All the more, I feel, we should be wary of choosing just anybody from the military.

    But frankly, if I had my way, I think what the Philippines require today is a BENEVOLENT DICTATOR but that is almost impossible if we consider the choice we have.

    Regarding class barons: I’ve met PMA class barons who, at the beginning were the finest soldier because they possessed
    the determination to do good but when they reached the top, succumbed to the call of corruption.

    Not easy but I agree with you, it’s good to look around for THE leader the country needs.

  41. I’ve always thought that we have to allow for the current generation of officers up to PMA Class 80 to 84
    to die out (retire) and perhaps, we’ll be lucky to have
    better choices of leaders from the newer batches.

  42. apoy apoy

    Ewan ko ba sa mga paring yan..Sa akin silay pare-pareho lamang..Dapat gumawa sila ng aksiyon..Magdaos ng prayer rally, imbitahin si bansot.Pag andon si bansot, gawin nilang Il d Booo..
    Garapalan o bastusan pero yan naman talaga ang laban.

  43. Chi: “I have one here at home who has a title from an Ivy League and two others from business schools in Europe, but I haven’t seen him even once signed a communication with a label before his name. He hates it, in fact.”

    ******
    Sinabi mo pa, Chi. My foster father in UK never used the Dr. before his name when he introduced himself. Just plain “Graham.”

    As in Canada, we also are not fond of titles in Japan. The only ones tolerated with the titles are the members of the Imperial Family, and perhaps the PM whom we call “Sori” when he is in office. Otherwise, they are called with the honorific “san” at the end of their names as we do to other people. They do not also retain their titles when they are no longer in the position like being in the Diet or being a minister of some ministry unlike in the Philippines where they call former presidents, senators and congressmen, etc. with their titles still even when they are already dead! If we do give them that honor, we make sure to add “ex-“!

    I thought this was so becausethe Philippines actually never had a royalty, and judging from information gathered from ancient history, the Philippines was populated by freemen from Malaya, Indonesia and even China who must have escaped further persecution, etc. It is actually similar to the longing of many Americans whose ancestors escaped persecution in Europe trying their best to look royalty!

    In other word, “hibang”! This reminds me of some customer of mine who insisted that I put the title “Captain” before his name instead of Mr. in his airline ticket. Sabi ko sa kaniya, “Hindi po puede. Standard po ang Mr./Mrs/Miss or Ms. lang po.” Yabang talaga, hindi alisin!

  44. BTW, I am by profession a historian and a linguist. Nothing fancy really. At least, I have been able to use my so-called “gift of tongues.” I speak, read, and write Japanese, can read Chinese, and speak Tagalog, Ilocano, English, Spanish and French that I use professionally as an interpreter/translator for the police, court and bar associations in Japan. I was in fact a pioneer in this field of interpreting for the police.

    I met Senator Pimentel in fact when I was assigned to interpret for him in some meetings in Japan in the late 80’s. Since then, I have been in contact with him especially when I need assistance for Filipinos I help in Japan. I thought he would make a real good president.

  45. Chabeli, you asked, “Is this “Atty. Louie Sison” the same one who is w/ the Black & White Movement ? Is he also the one who went to a convent (?) in Guadalupe when Samuel Ong was being protected by the priests ? ”

    The answer is: Yes

  46. BLACK KNIGHT BLACK KNIGHT

    Keep it simple, father/reverend/ bishop/s!..The religious sector should pray to the Lord for the safety of our Nation. They should not commit themselves to politics. They should be satisfied with their “tax-free” mass collections, donations (cash and goods), fees from leases collected from their real estate properties, and other “freebies” they get to sustain and improve their parishes/churches.

  47. florry florry

    If I may add to their sign of the times:
    – Widespread hunger and unemployment (To me this is one of the most important kaya lang hindi sila nakakaranas ng gutom at kawalang trabaho kaya wala silang pakialam)

    Will the CBCP listen to the cry of the shepherds? I doubt it. Mabigyan lang sila ng mga envelope tiklop-tuhod na naman ang mga iyan kay Dirty Mama Glueria. (Chi, pahiram)

  48. Sinabi mo pa, Florry! I wonder if they got the word sign of the times from this blog?

  49. Frankly, the only sign of the times that is most applicable to the Philippine situation is the existence of corrupt officials with cemented faces!!! 😛

  50. chi chi

    florry,

    Dirty Mama Glueria was Chabeli’s orig. I just changed the spelling of the name of the bruha. We agreed that all of us can use it as often as we want. Maganda di ba?

  51. joeseg joeseg

    Manay Chi

    Maganda nga talaga.

    Pero ang hindi maganda ay ang pulitika. Kahit saang lugar, kahit sa US of A. Tingnan mo ito.

    “Politics is a dirty business. And with Hillary Clinton announcing that she is running for president, Republicans are already digging up dirt on her. And they found out that she once slept with Bill Clinton.” –Dave Letterman

  52. chi chi

    Hahah, funny!

    Pero mananalo si Hillary dahil maraming Kano ang gustong mabalik si Bill sa WH.

    Samantalang sa Pinas ay dikit sa malacanang walls ang mag-asawang Pidal na wala namang may gusto maliban sa mga minions at iba pa!

  53. joeseg joeseg

    Manay Chi

    Another Clinton joke, politics naman ang topic.

    Clinton’s Poll Numbers

    An official Gallup survey polled over 1000 women with the question: Would you sleep with Bill Clinton?
    1% said, “No”
    2% said, “Yes”
    97% said, “Never Again”

  54. chi chi

    Ay naku, gandang lalaki kasi ni Bill ng kabataan! heheh!

    Mabuti na lang at si Hillary lang ang dinaya ni Bill. Sa Pinas, lahat ng Pinoy ay nadaya ni Dirty Mama Glueria, not once but twice!

  55. tayerevo tayerevo

    hey, we’re losing the thread on the bishops.

    the bishops are a major part of the problem in this country.
    any country who would rely on the bishops or religious leaders for guidance in governance would end up more ill governed, dysfunctional and iniquitous.

    and there are many examples to cite for that.

  56. Mrivera Mrivera

    joeseg Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 3:21 am

    Manay Chi

    Sinabi mo pa. Talagang malaki na ang bilang ng naghihikahos at nagugutom. Sa report, rounded up na ito sa 16 million, mahirap daw kasi yong may decimal point. Nakaka-confused, nakaka-divide ng attention at nagiging desperado ang nakakabasa.

    ************* ******************** *************

    ay, kagaling naman nila’t nabibilang pa ang mga naghihikahos. gay-un pala naman ay bakin baga wala silang ginagawa para naman maiahon sa kahirapan ang nakararaming yaon. ala, ay wala naman silang iniisep kundi ang mga magpapogi ey. subrang katatalino ay hindi naman ginagamet ng maayos. maaari gang panay na la’ang bilang ng bilang. ano gang iniintay, ‘yungpatay ng lahat at wala ng bibilangen? ay lintok! mga karahong bugok!

  57. parasabayan parasabayan

    The friars started it all in politics. The late Cardinal Sin was very political. Had it not been for the prayer rally organized by the the bishops, we would have no election this May 2007. The holy men are always in politics. One of the authors of our constitution is Father Bernas. Whether we like it or not, they are a part of our political lives. It is is just disgusting when some of these bishops accept bribes from dirty politicians in the guise of welcoming donations for the poor. Cardinal Rosales is not openly involved in politics-not as much as Cardinal Sin. They are certainly welcome to pray very hard for a cleaner May 2007 election. They are a strong force in any campaign. They have the masses in the churches. Maybe this time around, they can be God’s shepherds to direct the citizenry to choose the right candidates to bail our country out from its complete destruction by the Tiyanak and her minions! Now they know the real Glueria-a cheat, a tyrant and an extremely corrupt leader. Let our Holy Men pray for our country! As long as these prayer movements are not used in election campaigns of individual candidates, let them be our shepherds for good choices!

  58. jay cynikho jay cynikho

    anna

    thanks for your response.
    agree that the military may not
    be the best source of political leaders
    and administrators, but there are outstanding
    exceptions. but to digress i heard people
    say during Martial Law that if Hitler was a corporal, so was our Defense Secretary
    Juan Ponce Enrile, also a corporal but commanded the AFP generals. Gringo’s
    past with Enrile sort of demotes him
    in my eye.

    My point in naming the Pemayers I know is
    I seemed to think I know enough good ones
    (e.g. class goat Biazon) who are better than
    the ones “running” now for the senate. If we
    think of a cut off class, then we might say
    as in our south that only a dead Pemayer is a good Pemayer. but that’s an oxymoron.

    As for Jardiniano, he used to drive an old
    VW beetle. As FOIC PN, he started holding
    a saliva-wet soggy cigar like his boss Tabako.
    And was proud of it. some of the rest of his
    history you might have known.

    The Pinoy commissioned officer (not the soldier)
    i believe carries with him a racial and cultural baggage that makes him a solid contributor to our high rank in the list of corrupt countries.

  59. Jay,

    My pleasure and thanks too for your interest in my opinion.

    It’s really a pity that today, the AFP seems to lack solid military officers with sterling record to be truly proud of.

    PMA produce good officers with brilliant minds. I reckon the main drawback of these officers today is they have no real leaders to look up to.

    When they leave PMA, they have all the right ideals, the training, the determination but it becomes a different ball game when they find that the very military leaders of whom they are in awe are in reality, pure scalawags.

    Having said that, I hasten to add that there ARE good, excellent moral senior military officers in the AFP but they are retired. We don’t hear of them in the media because they ARE GOOD people! There are few of them but they are there.

    These senior military officers (retired) who we don’t hear of in the media should be the ones whose counsel our good people should seek.

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with taking on former or retired military officers to serve in civilian government – they have the training, the organizational skills, the discipline, the tactical and strategical minds, many of them have excellent educational background on top of their PMA degree and are some of the people who have dealt with many Western leaders, military and otherwise, so have the exposure.

    The problem of this country is that instead of taking on the GOOD military officers who have retired to serve in government in civilian capacity, this country and its pathetic government hire military officers who have a proven track record for being notorious SCALAWAGS.

    What kind of thinking is that?

  60. Elvira Sahara Elvira Sahara

    “The problem of this country is that instead of taking on the GOOD military officers who have retired to serve in government in civilian capacity, this country and its pathetic government hire military officers who have a proven track record for being notorious SCALAWAGS.”
    PING! Bullseye ka na naman, Anna! And may I add…Awarding these notorious SCALAWAGS for a job well-done kuno!
    “What kind of thinking is that?”
    I think a MORON can give an excellent answer this time!!!
    And by way, thanks for providing me a “good” vocabulary word for my soldiers tomorrow! Ay, MALI!

  61. Elvira,

    Thanks! Alam mo naman, sa Europe, professional ang militaries.

    Walang ibubuga ang marami nating officers (AFP) sa German, British, French, maski na sa mga Spanish or Polish military officers…

    Sa palagay mo si Esperon, puwedeng ma-achieve ang major rank sa German Army? Not on your life!

  62. norpil norpil

    ano naman ibubuga kung wala naman silang armas. isang general ayaw pa mabasa ang kanyang bagong sapatos kaya nag pabuhat pa sa kanyang kabo.
    another thing is that the military at least in noway are not politicized.though they retire also early compared to the civilians, they find jobs in business but seldom in govt.

  63. chi chi

    Norpil,

    Huli ako, sino naman ang general na nagpabuhat sa kabo?

  64. Chi, Brig General Ilagan during the balikatan exercises!

  65. Chi,

    Nanalo si Hilary not because Americans like Bill Clinton to come back at the WH. Hudyo kasi si Hilary, and you know when you have the Jewish vote, panalo ka na because they have the money. Tignan lang natin ngayon when there is an attempt to revive anti-Semitism starting with Mel Gibson, who has to deny it after seeing the Jewish power move against him!

    Dito sa Japan, malakas ang anti-semitism even when some people claim one of the tribes of Israel settled in Shikoku.

    I’m told that they are the ones controlling international communications and cyberspace. Iyong mga prepaid long-distance call cards are controlled by them.

    Whadyaknow?! But Hilary may yet to become the first female president of the US of A, and the husband becoming the first ex-president to become an FG. At least, he is nothing like the ugly Fatso of the Philippines who is the bogus FG (more Fat Guy than First Gentleman because he is far from gentle! Pumapatol sa babae—bakla!)

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!

  66. Mrivera Mrivera

    Chi, nabasa ko ‘yan, ha? Ginawa mo pa kaming gabeng bikol. Grabe ka. Nakakasakit ka ng damdamin! Hoy, donya, ganyan na ba ka-cheap at kababa ang tingin mo sa min ni joeseg?

    Na pareho kaming galisin? O tadtad ng kurikong?

    Dyok! Dyok! Dyok! He he he he hehhh!

  67. Mrivera Mrivera

    kung ako ang kabo na ‘yun, kunyari nadulas ako, tapos dadaganan ko ng todo ang heneral na gago.

  68. Mrivera Mrivera

    anna, wala silang panama sa AFP officers – kung pangungurakot ang pag-uusapan. professionalism? swindling, diyan sila magaling!

  69. tayerevo tayerevo

    parasabayan:

    Cardinal sin did not start the church’s meddling in politics.

    It started way back when the Spaniards colonized our islands and governed us through the friars dahil kulang sila sa manpower. The abuses of the friars then, having been seduced by the trappings of political power, are well documented.

    Until today, the bishops try as much as possible to hold on to that power for they form part of the collective ruling triumvirate which had ruled our country ever since. This triumvirate is the POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, and RELIGIOUS elite.

    The Church’s and bishops’ involvement in both EDSA Uno and EDSA Dos is to ensure that they retain the clout and the power they have had even with the change of regime. That is part of the reason why there was betrayal of the spirit of EDSA. As soon as the smoke of EDSA cleared, the bishops wasted no time to ensure that the old status quo remains. No significant change in social order happened. The rich, including the cronies, the traitors, and the gahamans, kept their wealth. The poor remained poor.

    Over and above their pronouncements of sympathy for the poor, the institutional church are die hard advocates of conservatism.

    They don’t really want the poor to be freed from their enslavement. Think what will happen if many of the poor will also be freed from the enslavement of the intellect. Maybe they’ll start embracing Enlightenment ideals, or humanism, or Darwin’s evolution.

    Allergic ang simbahan sa mga ito.

    And we will have an empty church on a Sunday.

  70. nelbar nelbar

     
    kapag nagkataon tatlong babaeng lider na magmumula sa US, France at Germany.
    Segolan(Segolene), Hilary(NY Senator) at si Angela Merkel ng Alemanya.

    Pero ang mas pinagtutuunan ngayon ng pansin ay itong si Barack Obama. Malamang lahat ng minory groupings ay ma-a-atract sa kanya.

    Dito sa Islas Filipinas iyong salitang komunismo alerdyik pa rin ang mga nasa media. Samantalang ang Vietnam nga eh sinasabing komunista pero abante ang kaisipan at mentalidad.

     

    tayerevo:

    huwag mo rin kalimutan ang mga naghari dito sa Isla ni Felipe na mga Gobernador-Heneral na inuluklok ng mga aristokrata (de engrata) ne mga Kastile.

    Isa na dito si Fernando Manuel de Bustillo Bustamente y Rueda.

    Isinipi ko lang ito sa aking kuwaderno mula sa zamboanga.com :

    FERNANDO MANUEL DE BUSTILLO BUSTAMENTE Y RUEDA —Usually called the “Mariscal,” because he was the first mariscal-de-campo to govern the islands; ex-alcalde-mayor of Trascala, in Nueva España; appointed governor by royal provision, September 6, 1708; arrives at Manila, August 9, 1717; severe in judgments; reëstablishes garrison at Zamboanga (in 1718); his troubles with the ecclesiastics lead to arrest of archbishop, and to his assassination by a mob (said by some to have been instigated by Jesuits), October 11, 1719; term as governor, August 9, 1717-October 11, 1719.

     

    Wala pa ako nakikita na mga graduate ng “uste” na kinokondena ang Vatican.

     

  71. vic vic

    tayerevo, a very straightforward analysis of the Catholic Church role in the Philippines. And may I add that if the Catholic Church had allowed reform within, the last statement you have that the church so scare of, could be the other way around. An enlightened people could still be a loyal followers of the Church, even if the Church itself in no longer a dominating power in the Government as it is in most progressive societies.

    And Just like our political leaders, their fear of changing the Status Quo could only led to stagnation and in the end most of them will be ruling a kingdom that could no longer support itself..

  72. tayerevo tayerevo

    vic,

    the only way the Catholic church can preserve its clout, its power, and its wealth in this country is to keep the masses poor and ignorant.

    in the news just right now is bishop lagdameo dishing out a warning that “we cannot afford another controversial May election.”

    he’s scared.

    for all the rapacity and hideousness of gloria’s sins and crimes, we must remember that she is not the only enemy of our people. the real and bigger enemy that lurks in our midst is that collective entity; the greedy elite, the conscienceless oligarchy, the irresponsible aristocrats who think they can proceed towards heaven at the expense of others.

    they control the government.

    they control big business.

    and, sad to say,

    many live in a bishop’s palace.

    as it was it rizal’s time, so it is now.

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