Update:AFP, PNP defy SC ruling on National ID
Senators say GMA can’t be trusted on National ID
by Victor Reyes
The Armed Forces yesterday batted for the national identification system which was shot down by the Supreme Court during the Ramos administration.
The military made the recommendation to President Arroyo during a command conference in Camp Aguinaldo. The President directed the defense department to study the military’s proposal.
The conference, attended by Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro, AFP chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon Jr., top military commanders and PNP chief Avelino Razon, tackled internal security operations.
“The recommendation for the revival of the national ID system is to accelerate accomplishing the marching orders given to the AFP. The President has directed the DND to conduct a study with the guidance that it should be within the purview of what is lawful,” said Lt. Col. Bartolome Bacarro, chief of the AFP public information office,
In 2006, the President directed the Armed Forces to end the insurgency problem before her term ends in 2010. Latest military estimates show the New People’s Army has around 5,760 fighters and 87 guerrilla fronts.
“That recommendation was made by the Armed Forces of the Philippines but we would like to highlight that it is subject to a very tedious study (by the DND) that it should be within the purview of the law,” Bacarro said.
Asked if it was Esperon who made the recommendation, Bacarro said: “No. It was brought out by the AFP, not necessarily by General Esperon.”
Bacarro declined to discuss details of the military proposal. He also refused to say when the military wants the system implemented.
Razon said government is thinking the system would be “based” on the Social Security System or PhilHealth identification cards, among others.
“The concentration is not on a security concern but on government service that will be provided like PhilHealth, SSS, among others… We should really establish an ID system and the people should not be scared of this,” he said.
Razon said a national ID system would also help in the fight against criminality.
He said the ID system would be adopted as soon as possible so that insurgents, terrorists, criminal elements could not hide behind the cloak of anonymity.
The ID, he said, would contain the name, picture, address, and age, among others, of the holder.
He expressed optimism no one would oppose the measure as he said no one is opposing the drivers license ID, PhilHealth and SSS IDs.
A national ID system was first proposed in 1996 under Administrative Order 308 issued by former President Ramos. Two years later, the Supreme Court declared AO 308 unconstitutional as it said it “pressures the people to surrender their privacy by giving information about themselves on the pretext that it will facilitate delivery of basic services.”
In April 2005, Arroyo issued Executive Order No. 420 implementing a national ID system for government agencies and government-owned and controlled corporations. The system aims to unify and consolidate all the ID systems used in government and in transacting business with government agencies like the Social Security System, the Government Service Insurance System, the Philippine Health Insurance and Land Transportation Office, among others, into a single ID card.
The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of EO 420 in April 2006. Those who opposed Arroyo’s issuance said it was a mere revival of Ramos’ AO 308.
Last August, Muntinlupa Rep. Rufino Biazon filed a bill on the implementation of the national ID system, which covers all persons aged 18 years old and above.
‘Systems analysis’ stage
Interior Secretary Ronaldo Puno expressed skepticism a single national ID card would materialize this year.
“We will do first a review of what the status is because we want to presume that they are up to date but if they are not, that is when we would figure out what we need to do,” he said.
Puno said the National Economic Development Authority was tasked two years ago to look into the possible consolidation of all the ID systems.
“I think it’s still at that stage of systems analysis on the consolidation of all identification files…So if you are going to judge it by systems requirements, it would take some time before that study can be completed. It’s very difficult to do that,” Puno said.
Not New
After the tribunal upheld EO 420, then planning secretary Romulo Neri said the implementing rules on the “government national ID system” would be effective Jan. 24, 2006.
Neri also said the government ID system contains information like the ID holder’s name, birthday, residence, parents’ name, and marital status. “Sensitive information” like criminal records is not included.
Puno said the national ID system is not new. He said the Local Government Code requires barangay secretaries to have the full identification of their residents.
“This is in the law that was passed in 1991… The problem is it has never been implemented. There have been some discussions on this… but that is not a new idea, it is a statutory obligation of all barangays to complete an identification system,” he said.
Accelerate Momentum
The command conference also tackled amendments to the Human Security Act. Razon said it was proposed that mere possession of explosives be made a non-bailable offense.
Bacarro said the President was given a briefing on the military’s campaign against threat groups. He said the President directed the AFP to “accelerate its momentum of successes against threats to national security.”
He said the President was informed that the strength of the NPA which is down by 20 percent compared to end 2006.
On the Abu Sayyaf, Bacarro said the military neutralized 69 Abu Sayyaf terrorists last year, reducing their number to only about 383 as of December 2007 compared to the previous year’s 452. He said military operations have “contained” the Abu Sayyaf in Basilan and Sulu.
Apart from accelerating the momentum of the campaign against the threat groups, Bacarro said the President issued four other directives “that set the tone on how the Armed Forces of the Philippines would carry out its marching orders of defeating the CPP/NPA/NDF by 2010.”
The four are conduct of humanitarian offensives in conflict areas; adherence to human rights; to remain united and steadfast to their sworn duties; and joint military and PNP efforts.
Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye said the President ordered Teodoro to ensure that the military maintains its thrust against communist terrorist activities, and that its thrust should support national development. – With Jocelyn Montemayor
Ellen,
That the AFP should start the campaign for a national ID is absolutely scandalous!
Who does frigging Esperon think he is? He must think he is Himler personified!
Anyway, there’s lots of money to be made out of a national ID system Ellen. I know, because national ID technology used to be part of the catlalogue that I used to handle for the conglomerate I used to work for and had proposed the idea to FVR at the time.
Besides the tactical use of the ID for the AFP, maybe, just maybe, Esperon wants to handle the national ID thinggy — just think of the bundles of money he’d make!!!!
Oooops, correction: ” … and had proposed the idea to FVR at the time.” (FVR already had the natl ID system in mind and so I proposed my company’s ID TECHNOLOGY at the time.)
Well, well, well…ano na naman itong kabalbalang ito?
With this, meron pa bang maniniwala na bababa na lang basta-basta ang pekeng Pangulo sa 2010?
Hmmm, maybe this ID system will lead us again into another computerization project. Isn’t that the natural consequence of an activity that requires digital tech?
From what I see, a lot of govt work is now around, overlapping as usual. Why can’t the bright boys of Malacanan think of a way to synchronize pre-existing systems (drivers’ license ID, GSIS pensioner/members ID, SSS ID, Comelec voters ID, etc.) into one, coherent, integrated master system that wouldn’t call for another system to be created anew?
Instead of solving one problem, another one is created and added to the already long list.
The SSS cards are handled by Ayala group… they went into partnership some 10 years ago with Sagem, a French group. Don’t know if they are still with the group.
A national ID? Neknek nila. Just who are these crooks kidding when they have not even thought of correcting a lot many people’s records.
I know a lot many Filipino women married now having problem with the Japanese Immigration because of multiple records and IDs. One Filipina who has just got out of prison in Japan in fact has had 3 or 4 IDs, all valid and issued by the NSCO and the NBI. Ilang beses pa ngang namatay ang babaing iyon.
Nothing good will come out of this attempt to retry this crap of a national ID similar to the one they have in the US because it is being done for the wrong reason, purpose and intention.
Puede ba, mag-resign na lang ang mga kurakot?
“Just who are these crooks kidding when they have not even thought of correcting a lot many people’s records.”
You just like when the dead vote in elections? Hahahahahah!
I agree that a progressive nation needs a national ID, nothing wrong with that but not while Gloria and her Esperon ass licker are still around.
(Maybe that’s why Esperon went to Malaysia — to pre-negotiate the purchase of ID technology from Malaysia? What say you Tongue?)
The thing is, why the fuçaèçtèça_çt_ are Esperon and the AFP the people proposing a national ID and are planning for its implementation?
Doesn’t make sense! Dammit, are they hell bent on instituting a police state?
I dont see anything wrong with the national ID. At least the banks wont look for other sets of IDs anymore. It should be issued to replace the community tax certificate. and to go with it is the issuance of passport, free also. That way we are giving the Filipinos a future to look forward. Even convict be given the IDs and passport. That way we will get rid of them here. For sure they will do everything just to get out and live happily abroad. Marami nga mga criminals na umaalis na. so lets make it easier for them. They can even bring me along with them.
Ellen,
A national ID taken on by the AFP to curb insurgency and harping incessantly on risks of coup d’états… boy, the police and the AFP are real DESTABILIZERS in this country!
Incredible! They are the ones who should be charged for destabilizing the country — no need to look somewhere else.
What is really the fundamental function of government?
Technology and Government Power — A Deadly Cocktail for Freedom?
Bob Barr, December 7, 2007
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0712a.asp
Sa DMZ (demilatarized zone) ng North and south Korea,napakahigpit ang imlementation ng ID. Kapag ang ang isang pamilya ay may bisita na hindi residente ng zona, the head of the family is obliged to report to the authority na may bisita sila. (This article i read several years ago). But in theory, palagay ko, effective nga ito.
Sa Italy, if the police authority found out that if you are accomodating (meaning pinatitira mo) an undocumented person, magmumulta ka. I know it kasi yung kapatid ko noong araw, he was undocumented and when the time comes na pwede na siyang magawan ng documents for his legal stay, I reported his stay in my house 3 months before at ako ay pinagmumulta.
Ang ID for sure will help propel our economy kasi everything is established electronically. Kung uutang ka sa bangko, makakabawas sa red tape i.e. background investigation etc.
Kung ma i implement to, you will see the difference!
Let’s give it a try sa ating bansa.
Nga lang, kung iimplemnet to ng gobyerno natin, dapat noong araw pa. Pinagsumikapan nila. E bakit ngayon ipipilit nila to sa kadudadudang panahon.
A national ID system could be good and bad. If the administration is trustworthy enough, its good, if we’re talking about the present administration – its bad.
Ellen and fellow bloggers,
I will be busy for sometime preparing for my China trip so I’ll say farewell for now. Please don’t forget to send your “pasalubong list” hehehe.
Take care guys…
OOOPs, baka naman kasama nila yung magbibigay daw ng 500k pesos sa Rizal Park o ginagaya lang. Kumita yon sa mga ID lamang. Making a fast buck na si Esperon. Kaya ayaw tuloy bumaba. Hati sila sa presideng officer ng command conference. Imagine, magiging compulsury and new IDs.
Have a good trip Juggernaut, mag-uwi ka ng maraming kwento.
Jugg,
Happy trip, my advise, don’t try to follow the steps of Abalos ( just kidding ).
I believe in the expediency of the National ID System, but I don’t eat any kind of food, no matter how good it is, if it is cooked and prepared by somoeone with dirty hands.
Correction: should be someone not somoeone
Let’s not support Gloria and Bush’s war against terrorism.
What they need to do first is correct the system of registration that is definitely faulty. They should have a similar family registry for instance that we have in Japan, and its former territories, Korea and Taiwan. It makes tracing missing persons really easy.
The problem is Filipinos have gotten used to monkey business that I don’t believe that with the Dorobo initiated ID system, I doubt if they can make this registration of Filipinos right and proper. Puro arte lang, puro daya pa rin! Pwe!
Kung ano-ano na naman ang balak ng gobyerno samantalang mas dapat nilang asikasuhin at umpisahan na ang ELECTORAL REFORMS pata maiwasan na ang maruming eleksyon sa 2010. Dapat nang bulabugin ang gobyerno at COMELEC para sa computerization ng eleksyon. Asan ang mga CIVIL societies at groups na maingay nuong eleksyon na wala naman yatang nagawa? Dapat na nilang umpisahang mag-ingay. Asan ang PPCRV? Umaangal si Jose Nebrao ng Engaged sa parinig ni Erap, pero dapat ay COMELEC ang kanilang bulabugin. Huwag nating asahan ang mga politiko na may balak kumandidato. Kung talagang gusto ni Gloria ng malinis na eleksyon ay ang gobyerno ang dapat manguna. At malamang nga sa hindi na hindi sila gagalaw kung hindi kakalampagin ng taong bayan!
Yang ID system, okay yan, kaso lang ay hindi pa handa ang ating gobyerno kung paano pakikinabangan ng husto ang ID system tulad sa ibang bansa lalo na sa Europe. Ang gusto lang ng gobyerno ay puro mag-umpisa ng proyektong pagkaka-gastusan dahil duon sila makaka-KURAKOT! Ano-ano ba ang mga proyekto ng gobyerno na pinakikinabangan ng maayos hanggang sa ngayon? Aber?
At bakit ang Armed Forces of the Philippines ang dapat mag-pursige nito? Martial Rule?
Sen. Francis Pangilinan’s press release:
The GMA government has this penchant to recycle what has been rejected by constitutional authorities like the SC and that includes Cabinet secretaries rejected by the Commission on Appointments.
Statement of Paranaque Rep. Roilo Golez:
luzviminda,
RE: Ano-ano ba ang mga proyekto ng gobyerno na pinakikinabangan ng maayos hanggang sa ngayon? Aber?
A nice question? WALA!!!!
Ang magnanakaw at sinungaling eh walang kapayapaan sa mundong ibabaw period). Yan ang gobyernong Arroyo not ONCE but TWICE na niyurakan ang bayan Pilipinas. Puro kahihiyan ang idinulot sa ibayong dagat. Mga manhid, kasi eh lahi yan ng mga Makapali na naghudas sa panahon ng hapon.
on the rationale of national ID system, I go with Golez but I view with “grave reservations” Kiko’s criticism of this government, as if the senate is not part of it, as if this senator has a good record of human rights advocacy and praxis. He should have focused his “political” critique to the executive department, if not directly to gloria.
Parang nawala ang aking comment kagabi (Pacific Time). Sigurado ako #17. Bakit kaya? Pati kay balweg comment #16 ay nawawala.
Ellen,
There’s no question that RP citizens and even non-citizens staying, living and working in RP need a national ID, i.e., citizens’ national ID for nationals and a foreigners’ ID for non nationals, but like Golez, I am opposed to the idea that the AFP!!!!! and the DND!!!!, particularly under this regime should be tasked with its development and implementation — ano yan, shades of Himler?
ang akala ko lahat ng nakatira sa Phil. ay may ID..hindi ba since birth one is registered?..and then at 18 you have to get a residence certificate? Is this not an ID?..What happened to things done since 1946 when we were given our independence? nawawala na ang records? In the US we are identified by our Social Security No. Talaga naman..pag puedeng kuartahan hala bira!
jug: safe trip…and while there tiktikan mo kung may binibinta na jets..or spare parts..baka nga nang diyan yong nawawala..btw sa amin- tiktik ay tao na lumilipad sa gabi..
I also agree that the right “armed” agency that should be involved is DILG (with the concurrence of PNP obviously) but again, how trustful are we that Puno, the current chief will be honest and will not use the ID project in pursuit of his evil ambitions?
kazuki,
I’m amazed about your panawagan not to support GMA and Bush against terrorism? The whole world knows who is the real terrorist and violator of human freedom?
GMA regime is a puppet gov’t of uncle Sam, remember if the white house wanted to help our country noon pa eh maunlad na tayo, but the truth WAG NA LANG kasi pag-umunlad ang Pinas eh etsapwera na sila.
Look our AFP, binigyan nga tayo ng jetplane (tora-tora) eh grounded halat kasi obsolete na uneconomical to maintain kasi wala ng parts.
Bumili nga sila ng S211 karamihan naman eh nagbagsakan na kasi low tech, puro kasi yabang lang ang alam at dakdak.
Alam mo pag ang Bangladesh ang sumakop sa Pinas tapos na ang maliligayang araw natin kasi pangtapat lang nila eh curry na isang damukal na sibuyas at sili wa epek na tayo.
Kita mo ang kanilang jet figters such as:-
1) Russian MiG-29s
2) Russian MiG-21s
2) An-24s
3) An-26s,
4) Mi-8 helicopters
5) Chinese jets, A-5s and F-7s and 35 Shenyang F-6s.
6) US C-130 Hercules
7) 12 F-7MB’s in the mid ’90s & recently in 2005- bought 16 F-7BGs from China.
8) 12 T-37 jet trainers.
9) acquired 12 Jian F-7MG’s and 16 F-7BG, which were modified F-7MG (with single piece canopy) with reconnaissance capability (similar to F-7MB) in 2005-6.
10)acquired a new improved version of Mi-17 (with nose mounted radar) in 2006.
11) showed interest in procuring J-10 multi-role fighters from China.
SEE, di ba poor country ito, but how this poor country acquired all of these above mentioned military hardware? Ang Pinas kuno ang dami nagsasabi rich in natural resources and manpower pero ano tayo ngayon kulelat as very poor ang AFP natin talo pa sa mga bandidong abusayaf.
Ang kayabangan kasi eh pang showbiz lang kasi nandoon ang pera, at wag ang kabang-yaman ang pinagnananakaw.
oo nga..why AFP? DND? military rule na ba sa atin?.. mukhang hindi maganda ang balak!
Rose, a residence certificate is not an official ID.
In principle, an official national ID is proof of your nationality but a residence certificate is easily frauded. I had an experience long ago.
A friend of mine (cousin of Jose Pidal) needed to register something in my name in RP and needed to present a residence certificate but I wasn’t in RP at the time so he suggested that his secretary procure and sign on my behalf a residence ID complete with fingerprint, etc and present it as mine — he assured me that there would be no problem and that it was done quite often. I was shocked and promptly rejected the quick-fix.
Balweg,
In your list, you may include state of the art Israeli fire control systems (one of the most important tech equipment required on war vessels worthy of its name) on all Bangla Deshi warships, which by the way Sri Lanka also possess…
Rose,
Magaling sa drawing yang enchanted kingdom, gimmick lang yon kung kakagatin ng taong-bayan.
Imagine pagkakaperahan uli yan ni GMA kasi nga naghahanap sila ng source kung saan makakakuha panggastos sa 2010. Ang laking pera if they will issue yan ID sa lahat, computed na nila ito 80M + x magkano ang cost ng isang ID = bilyong pesos yon jackpot uli na naman ang mga switik.
Sa OFWs eh 25US$ x let say 9M pinoys working abroad = million US$ di ba plus 900+ OWWA fee grand total _____.
Matagal na nila tayong pinagloloko, morethan 7years na ha!
Paki ask mo nga yong nalalobby niyang ID System, saan nila dinala yong nabawing-yaman ni Macoy? PCGG ang utak nito, ngayon naman AFP+PNP sa NIS, ano ba yan? Garapalan na eh.
Re: “Bumili nga sila ng S211 karamihan naman eh nagbagsakan na kasi low tech, puro kasi yabang lang ang alam at dakdak”
Balweg,
In principle, the S211 may not be the best trainer aircraft on the market (at the time) but it wasn’t exactly bad.
In my view, the reason why nagbabagsakan ang mga planes na yan noon is 1) lack of proper maintenance due to lack of spare parts and 2) not enough training
My suspicion is as ever — and this is where the kayabangan syndrome creeps in — is that PAF didn’t purchase or negotiate for enough supply of spare parts and they halved the training contract with Augusta thinking that after all, ang mga Pinoy pilots have a record of being topnotch pilots, hence tama na, huwag ng gastusan ang training of those PAF pilots who in turn would be training the new recruits.
Iyan ang problema when our major services purchase equipment — they cut down on the basic logistical needs when they are inherently very very important, more likely because they think they can do away with bahala na and quick fixes. Hindi puwede yan!
When the Navy started to dream of including submarines in their modernization procurement program sometime some 10 years ago, I laughed.
I told the fellas at NMO (Naval Management Office) that they were dreaming — they had better get their management of assets correctly first before they could even begin to think of submarines. 1) they need to get their doctrine right first 2) the cost and the training will exceed their wildest dreams
Submarines are a class on their own — you need at least 10 years of up to speed naval submarine education before you could even begin to call a navy a submarine class navy.
Ooops, “… more likely because they think they CAN DO WITH bahala na and quick fixes.
Ah, we come to the crux of the matter:
Malaya reports “AFP, PNP ‘defy’ SC ruling on ID
Say criminals, rebs,terrorists are targets…”
That should not be the primary purpose of a Natl ID. Dito pa lang, mali na ang doctrine nila.
AdB/Balweg: thanks for the info..I wonder if all these information records on a Filipino’s national identity is centralized…here in US…a social security number is issued to a new born..to a new permanent resident..and this could be done too in the Phil. and with all this hi-tech equipment..it would not be difficult..malungkot talaga kung walang ganito..ang ibig sabihin malaboy laboy ang mga Filipino walang identity…here in New Jersey after 9/11 all records were sent to Trenton..thus it was quite difficult to establish identity..however, in catholic records of baptism a person can be identitied..hindi problema..ako lang ang may problema to look for their records…malay ko na ang Giovanni pala ay John; ang Guissippe pala ay Joseph; pero natuto ako.
correction..palaboy laboy ang Filipino..sa mukha mahirap din
ma identify ang Filipino..kahit kapwang Filipino. I am often asked kung Filipino ako kahit na nagsalita na ako ng Tagalog. Sa tanong..Filipino ka ba? ang sagot ko Bisaya!
Rose,
Eh Pinoy kasi! ASTIG di ba.
Parang sinabi mo na magpaKODAK tayo; buy ka ng Colgate ang gusto pala eh close up, inum tayo ng kapeng barako ang gusto pala eh nescape.
Iba ang Pinoy, daming gimmick sa buhay.
AdeBrux,
RE: When the Navy started to dream of including submarines in their modernization procurement program sometime some 10 years ago, I laughed.
Di ba granted yong pangarap nila ng gising? AT4 battleship ang regalo nila di ba, yan ang nagpayanig sa kanila ang Navy corruption thesis ng kgg. AT4. Unfinished business pa ito till PEN missiles kargado pala ang AT4 destroyer at di battleship.
Buti pa si Singson eh may submarino ang Pinas eh mayroon nga di naman umabot sa speed boat ng mga abusayaf.
Hindi kailangan ang national id system as of this time kasi:
1. Yung mga identified na kriminal at terorista ay hindi naman nakakulong (gma, esperon, fg, puno, abalos, garci, bedol, ang dami pa)
2. Di pa nga maaayos ang voters list at yung sa NSO.
3. Ang AFP-DND hanggang ngayon walang maayos na record system sa mga sundalo nila.
4. Sino mag implement? Ang mga kriminal sa gobyerno? Hello?!!!!
Zardux,
Enchanted Kingdom ID system di ito ang solusyon sa problema ng bansa? Pagkakakitaan lang ng mga iyan ang planong pagbuhay dito.
Inang ko po wala ng magandang maisip ang rehimeng Arroyo, wala ng maisip na maganda para sa bayan. ID kuno eh isang tambak na nga yong nasa wallet ko eh dadagdagan pa ng isa, wag naman maawa na po kayo!
Itong si Esperon masyadong ambisyoso, gustong tapusin ang NPA at kung sinu-sino pa eh? He is dreaming….ang abusaf nga eh wala pang isang batalyon di nila malipol nangangarap pa na lipulin ang mga NO PERMANENT ADDRESS, hay naku ang hirap hanapin ng mga ito?
HOY GISING! Dapat kay Esperon and co. ipadala sa mindanao at isabak sa mga MILF, MNLF, Abusayaf ewan ko lang. Di ba yon ang gusto nila lipulin ang mga laban sa gobyero, eh sana naman unahin yong mga nasa enchanted kingdom at kongresso ang dami nila, yan ang salot ng lipunan at kaaway ng taong-bayan.
Nasaan ang patas na hustisya sa ating Bansa, WALA…palitan yong obsolete na scale sa DOJ at Korte Suprema ng Digital one para high tech na.
There is no system that’s 100% secure, especially when it’s the criminals who are implementing it. Remember how they gave Garci a fake passport to present before Congress?
The proposed system will only legalize on paper the hundreds of thousands (or milliions, who knows) of flying voters and ghost voters in ARMM, and even making a few hundred thousands more for 2010, while at the same time make it difficult for the opposition bailiwicks in the coming elections.
It may also use the compulsory nature of applying for it to coincide with initiatives for another PIRMA-mode chacha. Those who failed to elude Binay’s spotters the last time, have all the reason to be in their barangay halls and make that 3% requisite number of signatories achievable, right?
And a million other perverse reasons this enchanted regime is scandalously known for.
Overheard upon the arrival of a gasping tired general, Imelda was saying, ‘General, pagbigyan mo naman ang iba, malaki na ang panahon mo na nagpayaman. Why are you still in uniform today?’ That was the deep selection process then. Why is the National ID project given to the AFP? Simple. The other cabinets are overloaned, heaping full of money making schemes while the AFP is only selling scraps and getting commissions only on cadaver bags. Jan lang sa ID sila makaisip ng fast buck ngayon.
Tongue: There is no system that’s 100% secure, especially when it’s the criminals who are implementing it. Remember how they gave Garci a fake passport to present before Congress?
*****
Sinabi mo pa, Tongue. Nakakahiya nga kasi iyong document attached to those travel affidavits issued by the Philippine Embassy here may question pa to fill in, “What is your real name? What is the name you have used in your passport?” or something to that effect. Tanong sa akin ng mga pulis kung kinukulong daw ang mga nagpepeke ng mga papeles nila as evidenced by such official document/affidavit. Sabi ko na lang, hindi kasi lawbreaker din iyong mga nag-i-implement ng batas! Napataas tuloy ang kilay nila! 😛
Simple lang kung bakit AFP-DND ang mag-iissue ng National ID., Para sila ang Kumita !!…(ang kumisyon..)
Tiyak mabubuhay din ang gawaan ng ID sa Recto Manila.
Naku, masanay na kayo. Gagamitin lang dahilan iyan ni Esperon kung bakit hindi niya na-meet yung “adjustable” deadline niya against armed insurgents!
Kasalanan na naman ng Supreme Court yung insurgency.
You bet, ang purpose lang ng mga ungas is to collect revenues. Iyong mga birth certificates supposedly issued by a legitimate government agency like the NSCO kailangan pa raw authentication ng Malacanang and DFA na isang utot bayad! Ang mahal pa ng fees. Pati gobyerno magnanakaw and swindlers. Yuck!
Esperon makes a big deal about saying that the NPA will be a thing of the past, that they have the insurgents on the run, that the “coup plotters” are not threats to national security, that everything is under control… E kung ganun, what is the need for them to administer the national ID system?
“Simple lang kung bakit AFP-DND ang mag-iissue ng National ID., Para sila ang Kumita !!…(ang kumisyon..)”
bob, wala na pala akong pag-asa na magkaroon ng raket.
lagi na lang ba’ng si esPWEron ang magtatamasa ng biyaya?
kunsabagay, siya ang bantay sa pintuan ng langit ni gloria!
Hi Adebrux,
Tama ka doon. Ang masaklap, ang residence certificate is a self declared document. Hindi ko nga alam kung bakit hanggang ngayon nag e exist pa yan e. for what? Siguro para lamang maka collect ng pera.
Ang tunay na National ID ay dapat magkakaroon ng light intervention by the local government in a sense na before a person must be given his or her ID, the government itself must conduct an investigation kung ang taong yun ay residente talaga ng isang barangay. At kapag hindi siya inabot ng investigating team (Police or Barangay etc), mag iiwan sila ng invitation mote na mag report sa Munsipyo for some minor Q/A. This is a procedure that other developed countries are doing.
Ako ay sang ayon ka Rep. Roilo Golez. Talagang kahangahanga siya sa kanyang pananaw sa pagpapalakad ng gobyerno. Si Sen. Nene Pimentel at si yumaong Cardinal Sin, opposed sila ng National ID noong araw. “We are over Democracy”
I read that the AFP made the recommendation of ID Cards to Arroyo during a command conference attended by Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro, AFP chief Hermogenes Esperon & PNP chief Avelino Razon.
Razon thinks it will be “based” on the Social Security System or PhilHealth ID Cards. It would he said, contain the name, picture, address, and age, among others, of the holder. He expressed optimism no one would oppose the measure as he said no one is opposing the drivers license ID, PhilHealth and SSS IDs. (But notice that the PNP chief himself only “thinks” why doesn’t he know!).
What immediately comes to mind is are we now residing in a Democracy or a Dictatorship. What happened to government by the people; especially : rule of the majority and a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
I ask myself why, if we are really a democracy is the military taking a lead in proposing ID Cards and many other things recently that are not their mandated duty or in truth are we half a step away from being a dictatorship it seems we are a democracy in name only.
Could this sudden interest in ID Cards be that because in a few weeks time many armed forces leaders start a run up to retirement and that a laminating ID card business would be lucrative to have as a retirement supplement. I guess some people would not agree with me, but not many.
Other countries around us are going forward whilst we are determined to cause ourselves problems by going backwards.
payag ako sa NID system, pero hindi ‘yung mapasakamay sa mga timawang berdugo ang rekord ng bawat mamamayan.
saka na lang, pagyao ni esPWEron patungo sa langit ni gloria!
teka, mali ‘ata. baka sabihin ninyong pinapanalangin kong mamatay na siya. masama ang mag-isip ng masama sa kapwa tao (ba siya?) magagalit si Lord.
hintayin na lang natin ang pagpanaw ni esPWeron. naku, ganu’n din yata ‘yun, ah?
bakin ga kasi sa amin sa batanggas ey kalimitang ginagamit
‘yaang pagyao at pagpanaw sa pag-alis sa pupuntahan, ey.
bunga ng aking kawalang oras para mag-isip para sa paglahok sa talakayan dito (kasama na rin ‘yung kawalan ko ng pag-iisip, he he ehe) ako ay nangongopya na lamang ng mga maaaring makabawas sa inis ng bawat isa dulot ng mga “magagandang pangako” ni gloria. eto ang isa:
THE ‘POLITICAL NOISE’ OF MUSIC
Dr. Jose B. Biescas
Filipinos are music lovers. They enjoy their singing and combine it with fun as ‘pulutan’ (ang wala sa grupo ay pinag-uusapan) and wine as ‘laughter’ (‘patagalin mo na sa suso, huwag lang sa baso’).
http://www.abante-tonite.com/issue/dec2407/main.htm
eto pa ang isa. hindi naman dapat mawala ang diwa ng pasko. kung puwede nga, buong santaon tayong namamasko, di ba?
JOY TO THE WORLD
Joy (read ‘a national embarrassment’) to the world
The World Bank’s rant
(That the $232-M soft loans, not grants or aids, huh, was suspended for the Phase 2 of the National Roads Improvement and Management Program due to ‘strong signs of collusions and excessive pricing’)
Let earth unveil more SINS
(SINCE the year 2000 or earlier)
Let every heart (who personally know the scams or kickbacks like the present expose of Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago on the geothermal power plants sale for Palinpinon 1 and 2 and for Tongonan 1)
Prepare exposing all the wrongs.
Repeat the sounding lie (‘I will not run’)
Repeat the sounding ‘bribe’ (the payola on October 11, 2007)
Repeat, repeat the unsounding deal (the ZTE-NBN).
O, Magsaya at Magdiwang
(Puwede rin ang Magdalo. Kaya lang, after the Manila Pen siege, ingat lang kayo)
Pagkat malapit na (s’yang umalis)
Ang reyna ng lahat-lahat
Ng ating kagutuman
Ng ating kahirapan
Ng ating kalungkutan
Ng ating kasawian
(at higit sa lahat), ng ating, ng ating ‘moral bankruptcy’.
MRivera,
I will allow this ngayon. Next time, yung mga ganito, e-mail mo muna sa akin.
Tingnan ko kung timely ang pag-post.
Salamat.
Hi Bob,
Get mo ang plano ng AFP-DND, may mga pwesto na yan sa kahabaan ng Recto ave. Agree ako na magkaroon ng NIS pero ang gusto ko ako ang number uno, payag ba sila? Pag di sila payag eh TUTOL me as NO WAY baby……
Wrong timing ang nasa utak nila, kasi nga TAKOT na ang Masang Pilipino baka mapasama pa sa 800+ biktima ng extrajudicial killings. Maitanong ko nga pala sa iyo, sinu-sino ba ang mga killers sa 800+ victims na yan? Naglabas na ng report ang UN Human Right Commission pero sinopla lang ng rehimeng Arroyo, di raw totoo yon eh, agree ka ba doon? Eh nasaan ba ngayon yong mga kaawaawang biktima (800+) kung di totoo ang report ng UNHRC? Sana naman eh ilabas na ng AFP (Anti-Filipino People), tao lamang na pagkaminsan eh nagiging malikot ang diwa sa paghanap ng katotohanan.
balweg: tama..sa atin lang yong “pabili nga ng colgate at kahit iabutan ka ng kolynos ok lang.: ano ang frigidaire mo? GE? it was only in mid 60’s that I found out that colgate, etc. are brand names of the product..at kung bisaya ka na gaya ako..huwag kang magtaka kung pag hingi mo ng patis abutan ka ng kikkoman.. ang sabiin mo pa abot nga ng Rufina..kaya sa tanong sa akin..Pilipina ka? Ang sagot ko.. Bisaya! dugay na ang kabayo ni Lone Ranger..tonto pa guihapon!
Rose: maayong gabii sa imong tanan, dili maka sulti, still learning pa but nakakaintidi na ako sa inyong usapan. I love your language.
Masarap ang maging Pinoy! Kahit na maraming drama sa buhay eh enjoy pa rin. Kaya dapat wag nating ipagbibili ang ating pagiging Pinoy, dahil once lang tayong mabuhay sa mundong ibabaw.
Naalala ko tuloy ang kwento ng isa kong kakilalang technocrat, nawika niya na someday ang lahing Pinoy eh maghahari sa mundo? Nagulat ako about his kwento, paano kaya ito mangyayari…ipinaliwag niya sa aking ang buong scenario. Alam mo, posibleng mangyari ito bakit eh ka mo?
Di ba sa present generation natin ngayon eh napakarami na ang half breed na Pinoy at Pinay, halos lahat ng bansa sa mundo eh mayroon nang dugong banyaga at sila ang hihirangin na maging makapangyarihan someday.
A day ago napanood ko sa wowowee na 2 Pinays eh married sa royal families sa Germany, mayroon silang mga anak. Isa lang ito sa sample na half breed na Pinoy.
Balweg: Di ba sa present generation natin ngayon eh napakarami na ang half breed na Pinoy at Pinay
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Kahit saan ka pumunta ngayon sa mundo, may pilipino! Sila na iyong pumalit sa mga intsik. Pero daig pa rin sila ng mga intsik kasi kahit saan may Chinatown!
Many years back when I was a student in UK, there was a time when I missed eating rice. Kasi puro beans (gisantes) and potatoes ang staple food. Dinala ako ng foster parents ko sa isang Chinese restaurant na ubod ng mahal kasi nagsosolo. Bilib you me, para akong naakyat sa langit kahit na sa totoo lang, parang plastic sa tigas ang kanin!
Hats off ako sa iyo, Balweg, for being proud of your race. Despite the frustrations, etc., nasasabi mo pa ring, “Masarap maging Pinoy!” Not I guess kung katulad noong pinsan kong gumalngal ng iyak nang pagkamalan siyang Japayuki nang sabihin niyang pilipino siya!
Sa ngayon , di pa natin kailangan ang National ID , dahil mahirap ngang pagkatiwalaan ang mga namumuno sa militar sa ngayon. Ang national ID ay isa paring paraan para lalong maging Corrupt ang kapulisan at sundalo.
Puedeng kumpiskahin ng pulis ang ID mo at ipatubos sa iyo.
Kung halimbawang nakalimutan mo ang ID mo at na check-point ka, puedeng humingi nang lagay sayo ang mga pulis…
Talagang itong si Espweron..BOBO talaga ! akala ko ba sadyang napaka-liit na lang ng bilang ng mga kalabang komunista ng pilipinas, bakit ngayong kailangan ng ID para panglaban sa Komunista…ang sabihin mo gusto mo lang kumita
dahil malapit ka nang mawala sa pwesto….Galingan mo paghalik sa Tumbong ni Glueria, langhapin mong lahat ang utot niya, o baka kailangang umiyak ka uli para malaman ni glueria kung gaano mo siya kamahal…..!
Balweg,
I do believe that the Filipinos will be the ones in charge of the world in the future, all we need are leaders who will blaze the path to that destiny…
mami_noodles,
The private sector is doing well inspite of the government, and will continue to do so. Our so-called leaders are only nuisances…
sori po, ate…..hindi na mauulit. at salamat sa paalala.
hindi kasi napasama ‘yung link
http://www.abante-tonite.com/issue/dec2407/main.htm
salamat uli.
walang problema diyan sa national ID system. dito nga sa middle east lahat ng citizen nila ay meron.
nasa namamalakad ‘yan at sa motibo ng kanilang pagnanais kung bakit dapat isakatuparan ang ideyang ito. at sa uri ng mga nasa puwesto ngayon gayundin ang kung paano napaluklok sa poder ang bawat isa sa kanila, SAKA NA LANG.
hindi pa napapanahon. kung sakali at wala na sila sa kapangyarihan, maaaring gawing isa sa prayoridad na proyekto ng susunod na pamahalaang TUNAY at HINALAL ng taong bayan.
Yuko: Iba ang Pinoy! Magaling magdala sa sarili ang may guts kaya lamang pag nasobra eh nang-aapak ng karapatan ng kapwa-tao.
Sa Pinas naman eh maayos lamang ang gusot sa pulitika at balimbingan ng mga trapong pulitko, SOLVE ang problema.
Ang kaso itong mga bagitong pulitiko eh medyo marunong na ring bumalimbing eh, tulad ni Tol Defensor marunong na ring maglubid ng kasinungalingan eh.
Si E-vat Recto….pahirap sa bayan? Spice boyz nakikipag holahop sa enchanted kingdom?
Alam mo ba ang siste, nasagap ko lang ito minsan sa usapang kanto: para daw masolve ang problema sa Pinas eh dapat daw patayin lahat ang mahihirap at ang matira eh mayayaman na lang so wala ng issue o kaya yong mga rich eh wala ng mayaman at patas na ang mahihirap? Kwento lang ito ng mga malilikot na kaisipan at buryong na buhay, yan ang epekto ng enchanted kingodm governance.
langyang kuwento ‘yan, ka balweg.
kapag pinatay mo lahat ang mahihirap eh saan ililibing? aba, ‘kalalaki’t kalalalim na hukay ‘yan kapag sa mass grave mo pinagsuson suson.
‘yung mga mayayaman na lamang ang patayin para ‘yung yaman nila ay mapasaating mga pobre. pero lalong gugulo dahil sa dami ng nagtitiis ng gutom hindi papayag na pantay ang hatian. meron pa ring lalabas na gustong makalamang.
hayaan na lamang kung sino ang unang mamamatay.
Mrivera: Napa hagakgak ako sa hirit mo eh! Masyado talagang malilikot ang kaisipan ng ating mga kababayan, kung anu-ano ang napag-uusapan para lang malibang ang buryong na kaisipan.
Okey na yon kaysa tumalon sa tore ng billboard o kaya pasagasa sa car. Delikado ang epekto ng gutom na sikmura, tingnan mo sa Afrika grabe ang tag-gutom doon ang dami ng mga pumapanaw sa mundong ibabaw kasi walang silang pinaglilibangan kundi magbarilan eh. Ang gusto eh lahat maging Presidente.
We-will.never-learn,
Lam mo kung mapapansin mo sa mauunlad na bansa, napakaraming rules na halos araw araw madadama ng kanilang mamamayan. Kahit sa lahat ng dako, you will notice palagi may unannounced police routinary control. You will see them in an unexpeted places to unexpected time. Sa Pilipinas pag ginawa ito, kala mo, ang kanilang demokrasya ay nayapakan na.
What is democrazy kung walang kontrol sa sistema?
Ok lang ang walang National Id kung kontrolado ng gobyerno ang mga tao lalo na sa disiplina. E kung hindi?
National ID is a must sa ating bansa… sa tigas ng mga ulo ng mga Pinoy (hindi po lahat).
Will somebody tell me if the Comelec/voter’s ID project has been completed? I got mine here in the Middle East but not the others… they are still waiting. And just to let you know that the kind of ID they issued is crap, like a printed ID on ordinary paper.
“…..kung kontrolado ng gobyerno ang mga tao lalo na sa disiplina. E kung hindi?”
desensitizerman, kahi9t ano’ng gawing pagpipigil, pag-unawa at kagustuhang sumunod sa batas ng mga pinoy, paano mo sasawatain ang HUNGKAG na sikmura? lalo’t harapharapang ang mga nasa gobyerno ang unang NAGWAWALANGIYA?
Mrivera,
Ang tao pag gutom, pwedeng magtiis, pero kapag inunsulto mo, bibigwasan ka. It is not justifiable to violate rules and regulation just because a person is hungry.
if you will scroll up, you will see my previous posting and I quote “Nga lang, kung iimplemnet to ng gobyerno natin, dapat noong araw pa. Pinagsumikapan nila. E bakit ngayon ipipilit nila to sa kadudadudang panahon” unquote.
Wether we like it or not, Nat’l ID is one of the best tool to discipline people.
Pero hindi pa huli ang lahat. Tanggapin natin na talagang kailangan natin itong National ID. Sana sa congress, magawaran na kaukulang pag sang-ayon. Dapat lang na madala ito sa Congress. DAPAT!
National ID? Yeah, before you knew it, you’d be a victim of identity theft.
Put out a national ID and the next day criminal elements will have perfect-looking fakes, with data courtesy of your friendly corrupt government functionaries handling the system, for a fee, of course.
In the US, there’s a big controversy going on right now regarding a plan to have a uniform national driver’s license to replace those being issued by individual states. The main objection is that it is tantamount to a national ID system that violates the citizens’ right to privacy.
And here we are going to embrace it? To improve the delivery of public services, kuno? What services? Do you think a mere piece of plastic will make those lazy and corrupt government workers industrious? They will still make things hard for you until you slip them grease money.
The national ID, far from being a “tool to discipline people”, as desensitizerman said, is a tool to scare people from dissenting especially against this administration.
C’mon, give me a break!