by Gerard Naval
Malaya
Archbishop Angel Lagdameo yesterday expressed disappointment over the Church’s involvement in ousting Joseph Estrada, a president they perceived to be corrupt, only to replace him with Gloria Arroyo who was tagged the most corrupt president in a recent survey.
“In People Power 1, we were very satisfied with the result,” Lagdameo, president of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, said when asked if bishops are regretting their participation in Edsa 2.
“The second one, we were somehow disappointed because People Power 2, with the help of the Church, installed a president who later on was judged by surveys as the most corrupt president. That is embarrassing. Yun yung sinasabi ko na parang disappointed… na we went from one frying pan to a worse frying pan,” he said.
Lagdameo made the statements after a three-hour meeting between members of the CBCP and civil society groups.
The survey was conducted by Pulse Asia in October last year. The survey results, made public last December, showed 42 percent of respondents tagged Arroyo as the “most corrupt” president. Second was Ferdinand Marcos (35 percent) followed by Estrada (16 percent), Fidel Ramos (5 percent), and Corazon Aquino (1 percent).
The Palace has dismissed the survey results, saying the 1,200 respondents are too few to represent the sentiments of the entire country.
Lagdameo said the civil society groups sought the bishops to seek moral guidance in their bid to combat massive corruption in the Arroyo government.
He said the CBCP’s call for communal action in fighting graft and corruption is already part of the moral guidance the bishops are giving. “It is the role of the civil society to identify the steps whereby they will achieve good governance,” he said after the three-hour meeting.
The call was issued by Lagdameo earlier this month in the wake of allegations of anomalies in the national broadband network project that government awarded to the Chinese firm ZTE Corp.
Arroyo cancelled the project amid the controversy triggered by accusations that payoffs bloated the project price.
THE TIPPING POINT
Lagdameo said he believes the NBN controversy is not the only cause of the public’s outrage against corruption but just the “tipping point.”
“Marami na ang nangyayari, parang adding one after another. E na-reach na yung tipping point kaya nangyayari ngayon itong mga nakikita natin,” he said, referring to fresh calls for Arroyo’s resignation.
Lagdameo also said his call for a “new brand of people power” could be the “communal action” the CBCP is calling for.
The new version of people power, Lagdameo said when he made the call Monday night, could include prayers and reflection.
“If, according to collective discernment, which can occur in unpredictable ways, the communal action is People Power, it will have to be with a different ‘brand.’ It will not be simply a repeat of the past,” Lagdameo said.
“We must pray. Yes. There is a suggested Prayer of the Faithful for the nation in crisis. But we must also sacrifice for the highest national common good, inspired by “political charity” for the country, honesty and justice, guided by truth, like participating in a National Campaign Against Corruption in Government,” he said Monday.
SUSTAINED CAMPAIGN
Yesterday, Lagdameo said there should be a sustained national campaign against corruption within government “by standing for truth, justice, honesty and, above all, accountability.”
Lagdameo said mass actions are already beginning, although these have yet to be widespread. About 10,000 members of militant, civil society groups and Church groups participated in a rally Friday in Makati. The protesters called for President Arroyo’s resignation and prosecution of officials involved in graft and corruption.
“Sa aking palagay nag-uumpisa na sapagkat itong grupo ng civil society parang meron na nadiskubre na pamamaraan na kanilang gagawin. I can be sure na in their respective dioceses, the bishops are involved wherever there are common activities like for example in Bacolod, Cebu, Cagayan de Oro and Jaro. The bishops are involved in these common activities that are happening within their dioceses,” he said.
PROGRESS SEEN
Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz, former CBCP president, said he thinks civil society groups are looking for more from the bishops.
“I’m interpreting na yung leadership na makita kami, hindi yung sermon lang ng sermon, kundi we are part of what we say,” he said.
He said yesterday’s meeting was the sixth between members of the CBCP and civil society members. He described the progress as “interesting.”
“Nag-progress in the sense that there are more representatives such as Protestant bishops, Muslim community, from the students, academe sector, from the Black and White (movement), Magnificat etc. Ito yung communal action in various degrees,” said Cruz who organized the meeting.
But he admitted the meeting, which had participants from 30 to 50 groups, has yet to come up with a concrete plan. He said more meetings will be held.
NEW EDSA MODEL
Caloocan Bishop Deogracias Iñiguez, head of the CBCP public affairs committee, said suggestions made by the civic groups could be part of the new type of people power.
“I think once na nag-succeed yan, sila na mismo hahanap ng pamamaraan na it will not just be the (old) Edsa model. May mga nabanggit na kanina gaya ng civil disobedience, hindi pagbayad ng buwis, those are different models of people power. Yan yung mga nabanggit kanina na communal action,” Iñiguez said.
He said the new brand of people power revolution should be more wide-ranging and decentralized.
“Sa communal action naman, the more people are involved the more it is people power, the more ang impact,” he said.
‘UNITY WALKOUT’
Iñiguez chided Arroyo and her Cabinet for their show of solidarity amid calls for them to resign. He said it would have been better for the public if the “unity walk,” called “solidarity walk” by the Palace, had other purposes.
“Sayang hindi pa unity walkout. Mas matutuwa sana ang Filipino people,” Iñiguez said.
During the “solidarity walk” from the Premier Guest House to the State Dining Room in Malacañang, Arroyo and members of her Cabinet posed for pictures.
This came two days after about 60 former Cabinet officials urged their successors to resign.
Iñiguez called on the public to remain vigilant. He said it would be wrong to simply shrug off the numerous scandals implicating Arroyo in corruption issues after the administration issues a denial.
“Sa sandaling meron tayong mga narinig na ganong umuusok, dapat tingnan natin at baka talagang may apoy at baka nasusunog na tayo. Dapat tayo ay maging bukas at dapat nating hanapin ung talagang nangyayari,” he said.
Groups of medical practitioners and workers have declared their resolve to combat corruption in government.
The Health Alliance for Democracy said it would continue to join mass actions against the Arroyo regime if it is the only way to make her government accountable, said Dr. Darby Santiago, Head vice chairman.
The Federation of Free Workers said it would continue the fight against “bureaucratic corruption” which it said is the No. 1 cause of burden among taxpayers that include laborers.
“Workers and their unions should continue to exercise utmost vigilance and support all initiatives that would increase transparency in procurement and in all government transactions while helping establish strong institutions for democracy by, among others, exposing bureaucratic corruption and helping maintain dynamic check-and-balance within government in the spirit of good governance,” said Allan Montaño, FFW president.
Advocates of environment protection sought the ouster of Arroyo and Environment Secretary Lito Atienza.
Their ouster will keep governance and the environment clean, said the advocates who are allied with the Environment and Natural Resource Advocates for GMA’s Expulsion (Enraged) and the Kalikasan Peoples’ Network for the Environment (Kalikasan PNE).
The group staged a “clean-up” protest in front of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources office, wielding cleaning implements, props made out of recycled materials and “green and pro-people tips.”
They said the “clean-up of the dirt and filth that the NBN-ZTE scandals has uncovered is in order, starting with the proper and immediate removal of President Arroyo and Secretary Atienza.” – With Job Realubit
Someone suggested that the Catholic Church should excommunicate Gloria Dorovobitch. I second the motion!
Because I am abroad, I see things from a foreign angle. In my book, I believe that as things stand, ambassadors appointed to foreign posts by Gloria, i.e., therefore political appointees, should resign! if they still have delicadeza left.
I believe career diplomats need not be included — only those Gloria political appointee diplomats should resign.
They shouldn’t be so hubristic to believe they are representing the country and therefore believe they are indispensable. They should be embarassed to represent and speak in the name of Gloria the EVIL personified.
The embassies will run with or without them. There are enough qualified diplomatic technocrats to ensure that RP’s embassies will work.
Gloria’s personal ambassadors should resign!
“Solidarity walk” staged by Gloria gang of thieves from the Premier Guest House to the State Dining Room in Malacañang–
Kodakan blues na naman sila, na picked up ba ng CNN?! hahaha!
Sige Gloria, tie them up tight in your WASTE at baka merong tumakas from EK.
Anna,
I did not know Delia Domingo-Albert is now the ambassador to Germany. I wonder kung tinulugan niya iyong Fatso to get that document to rebutt claim of Cayetano about his secret savings there. Sana naman hindi because Delia is actually a career diplomat unlike Tiglao, et al.
I knew her before she became somebody in the DFA. She was a teacher at the Friends’s School in Tokyo in the 60’s. I met her through my professor at UP because of my Japan ties. Masipag and impressively well-organized. I was glad she quit as Gloria Forsec kundi sira siya.
Yuko,
Isn’t she married to a German national? I think wanted for sometime now to be ambassador to Germany. I believe she expressed that some 2 or 3 years ago.
Is this the end for GMA? Na karma na sa wakas.
Is he German or Austrian? I am sure.
I finally close the table for majority motion to excommunicate not ONLY GMA but all corrupt cohorts in her gov’t. Isama na rin ang mga Bishops na konsintidor at walang moral ascendancy to govern our Church.
It should be labeled as the Mob Solidarity Walk. Gloria Arroyo was installed in 2001 through mob rule or mobracy. She is the seeds of corruption in the bureaucracy.
Arch. Angel Lagdameo, in that statement, is still using pinoy euphemism to some degree. He could not say “from the frying pan to the fire” out of delikadeza.
Did he and the clergy regret taking out Erap and replacing him with Gloria who, in her best, would turn out to be the worst RP president ever? If so, what prevents them from doing it again? Realizing it later may be somewhat late. Tomorow we may wake up to see that our govt is already sold.
My take. I won’t tire ousting a corrupt regime, if only to give its leaders a lesson. It’s not the system that makes a dysfunctional govt but the leaders who run it.
HW,
Oo nga e. Hindi pa itudo ni Arch. Lagdameo at ng matapos na!
Are they still giving Gloria the 2010 timeframe?
Chi,
Yun na nga eh. Pinag usapan na nila yan lately with Bishop Cruz, Iniguez, B & W movement and others in civil society. Baka mamaya, si Lozada pa ang ma preso at hindi yung mga garapal na kurakot. Hihintayin pa ba nila ang ganun, na ang sinasabi nilang TRUTH ay lagi na suppressed, bent and reversed?
But am somewhat optimistic that this thing will snowball and gain momentum, after the religious started making their presence felt in this political discussion stoked by Lozada.
Arch Lagdameo is already talking about a new brand of people power. Sana tuloy tuloy na ito para matapos na ang mga kasuwapangan ng mga tao sa gobyerno ni Gloria na pinabigatan ni FG.
May excomunication pa ba sa Arch. of Manila? If I remember right sa excomunication ang arch. of a diocese could impose it..Dito sa US Sen. Kerry was refused communion sa noong nagsimba siya sa State niya..I agree dapat excommunicated na siya if she confessed all her sins (stealing, cheating, etc.) to a priest sa sacrament of reconciliation..if not walang magawa ang pari..sino kaya ang spiritual confessor niya? hindi sakop ng Manila, ang Tuguegarao, Pampanga or Cavite..noong araw…we had to get permission of Arch. Santos to study in UP..Arch Santos did not allow our group to have a mixed retreat (men and women)..kaya lumalabas kami sa jurisdiciton niya..pero iba na ata..well from Santos to Sin..hindi nakapagtataka..
Iba na nga ngayon..noon we respect being in church..pero ang nakita ko si Saludo at si GMA ay nakaluhod at parang nagdadasal pero si Saludo ay hawak ang cell phone..was he calling God?
Rose,
“sino kaya ang spiritual confessor niya?”
Meron bang “spiritual confessor” ang reyna demonya?
Are they also sorry for it? In the last 2004 presidential election, the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) declared the election was credible without officially investigated the alleged electoral fraud reported by its election monitors.
The evil Malacanang resident Gloria Arroyo has no way out. Scandals and scams keep haunting her bogus regime. The Senate has new witness in the Hello Garci political scam. Ousted Speaker Jose De Venecia want to investigate the alleged fraud in the 2004 presidential elections particularly the alleged Batasan break-ins and switching of ballot boxes. Senator Biazon should also invite self-confessed election fraud operator Arsenio Rasalan to testify in the Hello Garci investigation. http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=453
DKG: buhay pa ba itong si Rasalan?
Mama Mia! matagal na natin ginagawa ang unity in prayers dito sa Ellenville ay ngayon palang nanawagan si Arch, Lagdameo..Your Grace/Excellency: what took you so long to call for this action? at hindi mo pa tinudo ang panawagan mo..pero huli man din maihabol din..masakit di ba ang mag amin ng kamalian? isn’t this what you call humility..to put God first before yourself..hindi ba ang sabi sa bible
“to be less of me and more of you”? hindi ba ang Scripture reading today: “he who exalts himself will be humbled and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” paki remind nga lang kay GMA at sa asawa niya (na nagbabible study) to not just read the Gospels but to live the Gospel..sana Your Grace/Excellency makaabot sa kanila ang panawagan mo..sana sumama sila sa pag dasal at baki sabi lang kay Saludo to shut his cell phone will praying..salamat po.
Rose,
Tiyak ko ay hindi sasama sa unity prayer si Gaudy Rosales at Talamayan. Tahimik si Soc ngayon kasi ay malisik ang tingin sa kanya ng mga taga-Bataan.
Parang duda ako kay Archbishop Lagdameo? He is gloria’s “bishop” and everybody knows it. Tingin niya kay gloria ay santa, malinis, walang pagkukunwari, kaya nga ang CBCP ay patuloy na nagbingi-bingihan noon sa mga anomalyang may kinalaman sa 2004 elections, sa fertilizer fund, etc. Kahit pa nga nabulgar noon na may mga pari at bishops na binigyan ng envelope with “donations” kuno na pera. Bakit bigla na lang nagbago ihip ng hangin? Galit na ang mga bishops kay gloria? Hindi kaya nagtampo sila dahil hindi nila alam ang tungkol sa ZTE/NBN deal??
Meron bang hindi nabibiyayaan?…Hmmm….paki-esplika!!!
I want a new administrator of the Philippine government, pero ayaw ko dun sa taong ilalagay ng simbahang katolika at ng B&W movement. Gusto nila mag-takeover si Noli de Castro. Para namang may kabobohan sila. Wala din mababago kung si Noli ang uupo bilang president. Patuloy pa rin siyang didiktahan ng mga dorovo. They will be given special protection.Paano natin sila sisingilin sa kanilang mga kasalanan kung kaalyado rin nila ang nasa malacanang?
Sawa na ako sa linyang “bring it to teh proper forum” Diyos ko day!! ang ating korte ay wala ng kredibilidad para sa akin, being let themselves used by the greedy occupant in the palace. Pwede ba SNAP ELECTIONS ang gawin, para kung sino mang ang mananalo, alam natin, iyon ang gusto ng nakakaraming Pilipino. Warning lang: ayaw ko rin sa mga opisyals ng COMELEC, putris, baka ma-hello rene naman tayo!!
Ewan ko kung buhay pa si Arsenio Rasalan. Baka bumaligtad na rin. Money talks.
Chi asks “Meron bang “spiritual confessor” ang reyna demonya?
Si lucifer siguro…
Pero Anna, di ba si Gloria na ang bossing sa impierno? heheheh!
Sa dami ng kaungasan na ginawa niya (pag-agaw ng kapangyarihan, pandadaya ng mga boto nung 2004 elections, pahirapan yung mga taong naghihirap na pati yung di niya pagsunod kay Pope John Pau II na huwag ipatupad sa Pilipinas yung globalization) ilan lang iyan na pwedeng patawan ng excommunication. Kung matino pa siguro ang Pope at ang moral theology ay more than a golden rule, the Pope can even tell the people of the Republic of the Philippines to throw to the waste basket your illigitimate president. Ang kaso hindi ganun ang nangyayari. Yung U.N naman inutil din.
Chi,
Ibig mong sabihin ninakaw na rin niya ang puwesto ni Lucifer?
Talagang power grabber ang walanghiya ano? Maski saan, power grab ang gusto, sa lupa, sa impyerno, power grab pa rin! Palibhasa magnanakaw!
Hahahaha! Pinatawa ko ako ng husto, Anna.
cji: paano kaya ang confession niya: padir these are my sins since I grabbed power..I stole, I cheated, I lied, I ordered the killings, I bribed, at marami pa.
confessor: magkano ba ang lagay?
goria: how about having breakfast with me with all your members and I will ask Medy to take care of you..ok padir see you.
pader: ok my child go and sin some more..
kaya ngayon patong patong ang kasalanan..
Nuon ko pa pipo-propose yang ex-communication kay dorovovic kaso nga ay may patong sa mga buyshops.
Sana ay may maglakas-loob na pare na kung saan may live coverage ng misa na nanduon si dorovovic ay di bibigyan si dorovovic ng ostiya, lalampasan baga. That will really make my day.
Kgg AdB, I don’t think the likes of Davide, et al, na nakinabang sa pag-upo ni dorobo ay magre-resign. Kapal ng mukha ng mga yun, like their amo.
Naku, Bp Deogracias Iniquez pag sa pagbabatikos sa Gobyerno magaling kayong mga Obispo pero mahina at mga walang kwenta pag dating sa pagharap sa mga mismong problema ng Simbahan. Hanggang nayon nagsasa walang kibo ka pa rin sa reklamo ng mga katoliko sa Pari ng Sacred Heart Parish sa Malabon.
Nagtago siya nuong hinahanap siya ng mga reporter ng GMA 7.
Isa lamang yun sa maraming mga pari na nagpapayaman mula sa mga koleksyon sa misa at abuloy ng mga tao.
Harapin muna ninyo ang mga problemang ito bago kayo maki alam sa politika.
Nandyan din ang problema ng mga bading na pari. Akala nyo dahil ba sa wala nagrereklamo,OK na. Malapit na mangyari sa
pilipinas ang nangyari sa US na naibunyag ang gawain ng mga baklang pari at obispo.
Maraming mga Obispo ang hayag na nagpapayaman sa koleksyon ng Misa at abuloy ng mga tao. Kay Abp. Oscar Cruz, imbesigahan nyo ang lantarang mga tiwali sa Simbahan.
Di na uso yang excommunication.
Nasasa tao na yan kung gusto niya sumunod sa
aral ng Simbahan o hindi.
Gawain ng Simbahan ang gabayan ang mga mananampalataya
sa nararapat ng gawain.
Linisin nyo muna, mga Obispo ang sarili nyong bakuran bago pintasan ang iba.
Agree ako, buddy62. Bakit ngayon lang sila nakikisawsaw sa issue, dahil ba lumalakas na ang move to oust dorovovic?
Bakit ako maniniwala sa mga sinasabi ng mga Obispong yan.
Garapal din naman ang corruption sa mga Catholic schools.
Ginagatasan ng mga school directors ang mga textbooks publishers para magbigay ng malaking komisyon sa kanila kaya tuloy nagmamahal ang presyo ng mga books. Ang mga magulang ang kawawa na taun taon, hirap sa pagbili ng mga books para sa kanilang mga anak na gusto nila pag aralin sa catholic schools.
Wag kayo mag malinis mga Obispo. Katulad din kayo ng mga binabatikos ninyo.
Panahon para mag pasa ng batas na pinag babayad ng INCOME TAX ang mga Obispo, mga pari at mga madre at mga brothers lalo na ang mga La Salle brothers.
Sabi ni Bp.Deogracias Iniquez, “Sayang hindi pa sana Unity Walk out. Natuwa sana ang Filipino People.”
Eto naman ang dapat mong gawin Bp Iniquez, Tatlong pari ngayon sa Diocese mo sa Caloocan ang dapat bigyan mo ng pansin na nirereklamo ng mga tao.Isa, nagnanakaw ng pondo ng Simbahan, pangalawa, may nabuntis na babae at ikatlo, bakla; nanghala ng isang batang lalaki na sakristan.
Anna: Chi asks “Meron bang “spiritual confessor” ang reyna demonya?
Si lucifer siguro…
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Bwahahahahaha! I didn’t know, Anna, kenkoy ka rin pala! Spiritual confessor? Wala kaming ganyan kasi baka sex pervert pa iyong pinagkukumpisalan ng mga katoliko. Kunyari lang banal!
Noong panahon ni Pope St. Pius V at mga Pope na maayos talaga ang takbo ng utak, maswerte na ang paring bakla na tanggalin sa pagkapari. Pero kung may malalimang inbestigasyon ang naganap at nalaman na siya nanghalay o nangmolestiya, pinapapatay iyan.
Ngayon ok lang ang mga bading, cleptomaniac at mga di mapigil ang laman. Bakit nga naman kasi, kung kelan malalim na ang gulo dito sa atin, ngayon lang nagsasalita ang mga obispo? May mga lagay ng siguro. Di na nakuntento sa mga allowance every week, may kasal, binyag at kahit namatayan ay commission pa rin, may lagay pa! Aaaayyyyyy! Pambihira!
Bwahahahahaha! I didn’t know, Anna, kenkoy ka rin pala! Spiritual confessor? Wala kaming ganyan kasi baka sex pervert pa iyong pinagkukumpisalan ng mga katoliko. Kunyari lang banal! – grizzy
Ka Grizzy, sori po, datapuwa’t na dapat kong ipag-tanggol ang aking pananampalataya, bilang isang katoliko, at bilang isang Pilipinong Katoliko na may pag-ibig sa Diyos, sa Bayan, sa kapwa-tao’t kapwa-Pilipino.
Sa inyong tinuran, hindi po maganda ang pagyurak ninyo sa mga katoliko, bagamat batid natin na mayroong mga katolikong Pilipino na sa binyagan lang nakikilala’t nakakakilala, na sila pala ay taga-sunod ni Kristo? at lalo’t higit sa mga iilang korap na pari’t bishop. Ang punto ko’y, huwag po ninyong bigyan ng pangkalahatang-pananaw sa katagang inyong binanggit na, katulad nito: “Wala kaming ganyan kasi baka sex pervert pa iyong pinagkukumpisalan ng mga katoliko. Kunyari lang banal!”. Hindi ho ba’t, nananawagan tayo ng pagkaka-isa para sa kadakilaan ng ating bansa, sa paghahasik ng katotohanan, at labanan ang kasamaan ng iilang ganid ng Pilipino! Ka Grizzy, sa punto ng kaligtasan, maging ito’y pang-materyal o ispiritwal, ang “pananampalataya sa Diyos” ang unang batayan; sa tunay at ganap na pananampalatayang-buhay ay walang monopolya ng kaligtasan, ang lahat ng uri’t antas ng sekta’t rehiliyon ay nararapat na ipinamumuhay ang pananagutang moral at panlipunan.
Kawikaan 2 :8~9 Gantimpala ng karunungan 8th “Binabantayan niya ang daan ng katarungan, at ang lakad ng lingkod niya’y kanyang sinusubaybayan. 9th “Kaya nga, iyong malalaman katuwiran at katarungan, at iyong tataluntunin ang landas ng kabanalan.”
Humingi na po ng kapatawaran sa sambayanan ang CBCP hinggil sa kanilang pagkakamali sa pakikilahok sa edsa 2, at higit sa pagbibigay ng basbas kay gloria para babuyin ang ating saligang-batas. Ngayon po’y sinasabi ninyong mapagpanggap na banal ang mga katoliko? sori, subalit ito pong aking binabanggit ay isang “konstraktibong kritisismo”, na aking natutunan sa aking mga kaibigan na aktibistang kabataan at manggagawa. Muli, ito po ay isang pagbibigay-linaw po lamang, na si Ka Lozada ay isang ganap at tunay na Katolikong Pilipino, at maraming pang katulad ng katauhan ni Lozada na bilang Pilipino’t bilang Katoliko na may Pag-ibig sa Diyos at may pagmamahal sa kapwa-tao’t kapwa-Pilipino Para sa Bayan.
Maraming salamat po, sa inyong pag-kontribyut sa pagpapa-igting ng pambansang kamalayan.
God bless po sa inyong lahat.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Rejoice and be glad,
for your reward is great in heaven. Mt 5:3-12.
Amen! Petite.
Thanks, Petite.
I go the way of Petite — it’s never proper to denigrate or to make of the religious beliefs of a different congregation, whatever the religious denomination.
Ooops, or to make FUN of
It’s no degrading. It is a statement of facts. Binabatikos nga iyan mismo sa simbahan ng mga katoliko. Just mentioning it for emphasis dahil totoo.
Kababalita lang ng CNN as a matter of fact iyong pagbayad ng malaking pera sa mga victims ng mga sex perverts in religious cloaks! Hindi iyan pinagtatawanan. Binabatikos to stop them perverts!
Hindi ko pinagtatawanan ang mga queer ways ng mga katoliko. Nababanggit lang dahil alam ko. Kaya nga ako umalis diyan sa totoo lang. Ni hindi ko nga naririnig noon ang mga kabulastugan ng mga pari sa totoo lang hanggang noong high school ako at mabasa ko si Rizal, tapos nag-umpisa na ngang naglabasan ang mga kabalbalan ng mga pari lalo na nang mauso ang mga bakla at kung anu-anong uri ng kahayukan. Isa iyan IMHO na pagbagsak ng moralidad ng mga pilipino sa totoo lang.
yan ang matagal nang problema ng Pilipinas – ang pakikialam ng mga PRAYLE
these self appointed bastions of moral high ground are in many ways, blinded and more importantly NOT ACCOUNTABLE to anyone.
nobody elected them, nobody voted for them, and no one audits them either. they cant be fired from their posts if they f_ck up.they just came and declared themselves “agents” of GOD.
GOD is everything you see, feel and hear. He is the rock, your PC, your sister, your brother, your parents, EVERYTHING. Do you honestly believe kailangan Nya ng mga PRAYLE to manifest Himself?
These institutions thrive on control, and their “magic wand” so to speak is the threat of SIN, HELL and the DEVIL.
In All of God’s Greatness, can one honestly believe that something, anything can piss God off? He is ALL, yes,ALL, including YOU and ME.
this tragic manipulation of these so called “agents” of God should end soon – and the world will finally be a better place.
Iyan din naman ang matagal ng sakit ng mundo hindi lang ng Pilipinas. Tinanggal na ang Diyos sa lipunan kaya maraming tarantado at gago sa mga pamahalaan.
“In all of God’s Greatness, can one honestly belive that something, anything can piss God off?
Such a statement is a direct denial of Original Sin. Bakit nga ba sinira ang Sodom at Gomorah? Bakit nga ba nagkaroon ng great deluge? At higit sa lahat bakit nga kaya bumaba sa lupa ang Kristo para sa ikatutubos ng kasalanan ng tao? Bakit nga ba nakatakdang gunawin ang mundo?
Sa Kanyang muling pag-akyat sa langit pinababa naman ang Espiritu Santo sa anyo ng mga dilang apoy at nanahan sa mga apostol. Nagturo sila at kung saan saan nakarating. Walang dalang bibliya pero ang karunungan ng Diyos ang tangan. Sinabihan si Pedro, “At ikaw Pedro, sa pamamagitan ng batong ito itatayo ko ang aking iglesya. At ang pintuan ng impiyerno at hindi mananaig sa kanya.” Pero may mga nagsasabi na nawala ang iglesya ng Diyos. Ginawa pang sinungaling si Kristo o di kaya hindi marunong tumupad sa kanyang ipinangako nung sabihin niyang “Ang lo I am with you until the consumation of the world.” Imagine the world existed without a church for how many years tapos naitayo lang nung 16th century, merong 17th century and so on and so forth. Hindi ba talaga marunong tumupad sa usapan and Diyos at nawala ang kanyang simbahan? Pero nangako Siya na “Ako ay papasainyo hanggang sa katapusan ng mundo.
Ang dami ng nangyari noon hanggang ngayon. Ang daming miracles at marami ding karumaldumal na nangyari. Pero hanggang ngayon nakatayo parin ang Simbahan. Sa mga tumutira sa kanya hanggang ngayon, pakiusap lang po. Kung magpapasabog kayo ng bomba ng mga statement of facts e, lakasan nyo naman. Parang 1star lang hanggang super lolo thunder yung lakas ng bomba nyo. Gawin nyo naman hydrogen bomb ang katumbas na lakas. Atsaka yung bago di puro luma. Yung laman ng Noli Me Tangere hindi pa tao si Rizal nangyayari na iyon. Wala bang bago? Tinutulungan na kayo ng mga nagpapanggap na pari sa loob ng simbahan para masira siya pero hanggan ngayon alive and kicking pa rin. Eka nga ni St. Catherine Emerich, mga naka apron pa yung mga may pectoral crosses at may hawak na throvel o karit o martilyo. Pero alive and kicking pa rin. Tinulungan na kayo ng revolution sa Vatican pero di pa rin kayo magkandatutu.
“This tragic manipulation of these so called “agents” of God should end soon – and the world will finally be a better place.” Hayaan nyo, at nasa last age na rin naman yung Catholic Church. Meron na lang ilang hinihintay na mangyayari at magtatapos na ito kasama ang mga tao.
It took almost seven years for these bishops to examine their conscience, and finally say their act of contrition. It follows that after a confession, some kind of penance is given because it is not enough to just admit and confess a sin, it is not enough to just say sorry and be rueful about it; what is right is to do something that will correct the wrong that had been done. They conspired and caused the ouster of an elected president and installed somebody who by their on account turned out to be more evil. So if they are responsible in crowning that evil, and be true in their remorse for their sin, they should now take the lead in forcing out that evil. That’s how confession and penance work and it’s only fair on their part and the people.
Sa bahay natin, kailangan ng moral virtues, Sa eskwelahan, sa kompnayang ating pinapasukan at kahit saan tayo magpunta kailangan talaga. Ang economics and polotics may moral espects. From magement of a small family to management of the entire country kailangan ng moral virtues. Kung balewalain natin ito pano na lang ang buong mundo na walang modo? Sana pala hindi nalang siya nagturo at nagtayo ng simbahan para nga naman the world will be a better place.
The apostles made desciples of their own. Kasi ng naman hindi sila magtatagal at mamatay din sila. Paano magtutuloy ang simbahan kung walang successor? Di lang isa ang desciple ng mga apostol, marami yun. Kaya may pari at hindi sila isinilang sa mundo at nung limaki ay nagsuot ng sutana at nagpakilalang alagad sila ng Diyos. Common sense naman!
Ilan na nga bang religion ang nagtutulong na niyuyurakan ang simbahang katoliko? Marami sa kanila nagkadamatay na pero yung tinitira nila buhay na buhay.
NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO ANYONE daw yung mga prayle. Since nandiyan sila, mas malaki ang pananagutan nila kasi pari sila. Kung hindi sila good example, haharapin nila ang condemnation nila. THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE especially to HIM who called them to preach HIS word and the revelations made to them (pakibasa na lang yung huling talata ni Juan). Bible daw kasi yung sole authority for mans salvation. Eh ang daming hindi pinahintulutan ng Diyos na maisulat. THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE especially now that the inhabitants of the earth are getting worse each day.
Florry, its the entire men of the church who must do it. Not only the church heirarchy in the Philippines. They know a lot of things which they have done yet they dont tell it to anybody. Their revolution was well covered yet there were good men (priests) who saw it. Their revolution inside the church affected a lot of aspects in our lives. Even the way we think. The way we judge the things around us. They have a lot of things to tell. But the proper time will come when they have to eat their pride and start to think why they are there in the first place. Those who have died have accounted a lot to their MASTER who called them to preach. And now they suffer while many are rejoicing in heaven because they kept HIM in their minds and hearts.
It is almost seven years, why only now you are opening your mouhts really wide? You know the commandments yet you disregarded it in 2001. You know she cheated yet you didnt do anything to straight things up. You know since time immemorial there is corruption, yet you chose to shut up. Did not endorse the excommunication of a fake president who made us look like fools. You did not sanction her nor warn her. You did not punish her nor told the people to retract to what they did in 2001 and again in 2004.
Ngayon nagsisisi kayo sa pagsuporta ninyo sa kudeta ni Gloria nung 2001. Inaani na rin mismo ng mga inosenteng tao ang kaugukan ninyo at hindi ninyo pagkilala sa sampung utos at hindi paggalang sa konstitusyon. Ni hindi ninyo binalaan bagkus nagpadala kayo sa masarap na pagkain sa lamesa at mga donasyon.
Sa mga obispo na makakabasa nito, nasa 7th and last age na ang simbahan, itutuloy nyo pa rin ba ang rebolusyon ninyo sa simbahan? Magpapatuloy pa rin ba kayo sa pagiging tanga o di kaya inutil? Ipagpapatuloy nyo pa rin ba ang pagsira ninyo sa simbahan? Mag-isipisip kayo bago dumating ang kinatatakutan natin. Malapit na po siyang umupo sa pinakamataas na pwesto sa Vatican.
what about your president who always claims she was and still is talking to her GOD?
a leader like her (if she can be called one) will never be able to realize that nobody wants her anymore as long as there are people around who listen to whatever lies she speaks and make them appear THRUTH to the people.
how long had she been spewing SHIT? not only after she grabbed the leadership from the duly elected president but when she first entered politics carrying the name of her equally greedy father, the one who portrayed a poor man from his place while the truth was his family was living in a grand style inside a posh village where everyone residing were not just millionaires but those who were on top of the list of the rich and famous in the philippines.
remember her senatorial campaign slogan, “pagkain sa bawat hapag?”
nasusuka ako!
Many now think that religion is the cause of all the problems and troubles in this world. Some even say religion is the cause of evil. Matagal na akong di bilib sa organized religion. It’s just a money-making scheme. It’s one of the most lucrative business these days. Kailangan mo lang salesmanship and good public speaking skills. Of course you need to know the bible. Hindi na kailangan maging expert ka sa bible basta magaling kang mambola. If you have learned the art and skill of creating stories out of one simple verse in the bible, you shall have audience. At kung marunong ka ng tinatawag na “mass hypnotism”, maraming makikinig sa iyo. Most of these preachers you see are nothing but excellent salesmen demonstrating products to the audience. I only believe in a Supreme Being. The rest is baloney.
“Supreme being.” According to St. Thomas Aquinas a being is a creation. And only one can create and that is God. Man cannot create since he is also a creation. Man can only make. Did someone else created God?
If organized religion is just a money making scheme and a baloney, let us tell the next president of the ungodly Republic of the Philippines to exterminate the breed of the varioius religious organizations in the Philippines. And maybe eventually lets forget about the Creator who commissioned the Apostles to teach all nations whatsoever God commanded them to do. Exterminate any trace of of Christian ethics and values. Exterminate anything that would influence everyone to live with a Christian like conduct, Catholic or not. Exterminate the 10 Commandments which is a guide to everyone to have order and proper conduct. So, the anti-christ who is about to sit at the chair of St. Peter will not have a hard time dealing with the devil for the delivery of our souls into hell.