Please, no more study groups, Mr. President

Resuming the tradition with foreign correspondents

It is within the rights of President Aquino to deny the desire of the Marcos family for a state burial for President Ferdinand Marcos.

If Aquino thinks that Marcos’ dictatorship nullified the latter’s two-term presidency and disqualified him for a state burial, he is entitled to that opinion.

Since Aquino is the president now, his decision will be followed in political matters, which the Marcos burial issue, has become.

At the forum hosted by the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines last Wednesday, Aquino announced his decision to ignore the recommendation of Vice President Binay whom he had tasked to study the issue that his three predecessors – Fidel Ramos, Joseph Estrada, and Gloria Arroyo, did not want to handle.

Aquino cited the many victims of Marcos’ martial law that includes his father, Benigno “Ninoy” Aquino Jr.

“It would be really, I think, the height of injustice to render any honors to the person who was the direct mastermind of all their suffering,” he said.

Aquino’ sentiments are understandable.

But why, in the first place, did he ask Binay to study the matter? The vice-president even conducted a survey which elicited 3,115 replies (2,139 through text and 976 through email.)

Joey Salgado, the vice president’s spokesperson, said they did not tabulate the responses because “they wanted to know the basis for their respective positions.”

Did Binay sense even then the President’s sentiment and wanted to give him a way out?

Nevertheless, Binay came out with the recommendation last June to have the remains of Marcos which has been kept in a refrigerated crypt in his hometown in Batac, Ilocos Norte since it was brought home in 1993. Marcos died in 1989 while in exile in Hawaii.

The Marcos family was amenable to Binay’s recommendation.

That’s why, it is also understandable that Sen. Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr would be dismayed with Aquino’s decision.

“Nagtataka ako bakit pa tayo pinag-aksaya ng panahon kung di naman talaga susundin yung mga rekomendasyon, mga study. Mukhang sarswela lang pala lahat ‘tong ating ginawa. It turns out it was a futile exercise,” Marcos said.

Nagtataka din ako.

Of course, this is not the first time that Aquino ordered a study or an investigation but ignored the recommendation. Remember the recommendation of the Incident Investigation and Review Committee headed by Justice Secretary Leila de Lima that recommended filing of criminal and administrative charges against officials who bungled the Aug. 23, 2010 Rizal Park hostage-taking incident?

When he didn’t like the IIRC recommendations because it called for heavy sanctions against his shooting buddy, Interior Undersecretary Rico Puno, his favorite police chief Jesus Verzosa, and Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim, a close friend of his family, he created another review committee. In the end, none of the negligent decision-makers were punished.

Next time, another sensitive issue comes up, please Mr. President, don’t create study or investigating groups. Just decide on it. No waste of government resources.

Huwag na tayo maglokohan.


Social Weather Stations conducted last March a survey on whether Marcos is worthy of a burial in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. The result: 50 percent said “Yes”, 49 per cent said “No” and one per cent had no answer.

October 14, 2011 7:24 am  Tags: , ,   Posted in: Benigno Aquino III, Marcos

471 Responses

  1. Ellen - October 14, 2011 7:42 am

    From a reader who requested that his name be withheld:

    Indeed, you are right that the studies Pnoy instructed to be conducted like the Luneta Fiasco and the Marcos burial were all waste of government resources.

    However, there is a more important study/survey that must be urgently done, the study or survey about the Freedom to Information/Transparency Law which is obviously being hindered by Congress.

    Why, the grapevine talk is that if ever the said bill becomes a law, it will be a sensational Pandora’s box that may open cans or even drums of worms involving all anomalous transactions in the past decades of plunders and heists of the Filipino taxpayers’ hard earned money and resources.

    From the smallest unit of the our Local Government to the highest offices of the Land, all their financial documents will be opened to scrutiny and sadly, most of our past and present Local Government officials and technocrats would’nt be happy about it , what with billions of funds they got from their IRA’s and local taxation (for LGU’s) and more billions of unaccounted disbursements of GOCC’s that we’re just subjected to rubber stamp post audit routines hiding billions of ghost expenses, farm to pocket roads, confidential intelligence and security expenses etc.

    Furthermore, the documents covering the Tiangge/Baratillo or Midnight sale type of the disposal (in the guise of privatization kuno or non-performing assets) of government properties here and abroad will also be opened up for public scrutiny.

    Example is the midnight sale of the GSIS/PAL owned Union Sq. building in San Francisco which was sold for a song, hulugan pa at so many gives to a favored yet dubious company.

    Also, the Fort Bonifacio, Nichols, Amari and Clark etc land deals, the proceeds of which were supposedly for Modernization and sthrengthening of the Armed Forces which only led to the strengthening of the pockets of a few.

    There is now a big question why the said bill wont prosper. Are those responsible still very much around with their closets full of skeletons and still busy cleaning paper trails?

    Why then?

  2. Ellen - October 14, 2011 7:44 am

    Fr Al Diaz:

    The Libingan Ng Mga Bayani is for the Heroes of the country not for persons who like Marcos shamed and plundered the country of its wealth and killed people who were opposed to an illegitimate ruler.

    Marcos and his Children are unrepentant they want their father to be buried in the Libingan Ng Mga Bayani to negate the will of the people who chased them out of the country.

    Of course Fidel Ramos being a relative allowed the remains of the dictator to be returned to the Philippines. Did it serve the Nation well? No. It only showed that family interest is above National Interest.

    Giving Marcos space in the Halls reserved for Heroes is the ultimate insult to the Filipinos are so forgetful of the plague that the Marcos dictaotship brought upon us.

  3. Ellen - October 14, 2011 7:46 am

    Al, the matter of burying Marcos at the Libingan ng mga Bayani is not an issue anymore. The Marcoses are no longer asking for that.

    They are amenable to the recommendation of VP Binay to bury him in Batac with military honors.

  4. Ellen - October 14, 2011 9:47 am

    Statement of Chairperson Etta Rosales of the Commission on Human Rights:

    The President’s decision puts final closure to the twenty-year-old debate on burying Marcos as a hero or not.

    His decision is on the side of historical truth which benefits not just the martial law victims but also the young generation who will not be deceived by the lies brandished by Marcos allies to cover up the plunder and gross human rights violations Marcos committed against the Filipino people.

  5. acibig - October 14, 2011 11:55 am

    haha talagang smart si bong bong, kung meron na pala si pnoy na decision, anong use ng binay committee, one RULE IS IF YOU ARE THE BOSS, you do not consult anyone, subordinates follow u , whether ur right n wrong

  6. MPRivera - October 14, 2011 11:58 am

    sige, igapos ninyo sa nakaraan ang kinabukasan ng mga kabataan. habang may natitirang kadugo ang mga nagsasabing naging biktima sila ng injustice noong panahon ng martial law (katulad nitong si e-ta rosales na ginahasa daw ng kung sinong ewan noong panahong ‘yun), kayo kayo na lamang ang magpalitan sa puwesto at ang karanasan ng mga ninunong matagal nang namatay ang gawing batayan.

    tsk.. tsk. tsk.

    demokratiko nga tayo, paatras nga la’ang!

  7. MPRivera - October 14, 2011 12:22 pm

    meron bang sinasabi itong si eta rosales laban sa mga kriminal na hanggang ngayon ay pagalagala?

    kanino bang karapatan ang kanyang pinoproteksyunan bilang komisyuner? hindi ba’t ang kiling niya ay sa kaliwa pa rin? hindi ba’t dapat bilang itinalaga sa posisyon ay gumitna siya’t huwag itututok ang mga mata sa kabilang direksiyong ang tanging makikita niya ay ang sariling larawan niya?

    dating partylist representative ng makakaliwang silang mas gumagawa ng perwisyo, ano’ng aasahan sa kaniya? ni walang pagtuligsa sa mga karahasan ng NPA at tikom ang bibig kahit nagdudumilat ang mga gawaing kriminal ng mga terorista, ano’ng karapatan niyang magbigay pahayag sa dapat sana’y simula ng pag-usad ng daloy ng pagkakaisa’t pagsasamasama tungo sa pagkakabuklodbuklod ng mga pilipino?

    magsama na lang siyang dalawa ni noynoy. pareho silang dispalinghado ang katwiran.

  8. ricelander - October 14, 2011 12:38 pm

    akoy nagtataka…

    bakit pag tungkol sa human rights violations under the regime of Marcos, gusto ipasagot ke Marcos na para bang siya mismo personal na gumahasa, nagpapatay, o nagpatorture?

    me mga human rights violations din pagkatapos ni Marcos, ke Cory, mas marami pa daw as per record, pero wala lang, meron din ke FVR, Erap, GMA, pero wala lang…

    bakit pag ke marcos, nag-iiba ang pamantayan?

    Andiyan at buhay na buhay si Juan Ponce Enrile at Fidel V Ramos na kapuwa tagapamahala ni Marcos, bakit hindi man sinisingil?

    Kayong dalawa, JPE at FVR, bat di man lang kayo umiimik? hanggang ngayon, pa-safety lang kayo ha.

  9. vonjovi2 - October 14, 2011 1:34 pm

    Sa Hacienda ng mga Aquino ay may abuso rin. Ginawang “Gago” si Binay at sinayAng lang oras sa pag interview sa mga tao. Pakitang tao lng pala. Niloko niya ang bise presidente niya.

  10. QED - October 14, 2011 1:48 pm

    Naglolokohan lang tayo dito mga kababayan.
    Hay PNoy…

  11. perl - October 14, 2011 2:08 pm

    Why not? kung ang korte suprema nagbabago isip eh, si PNoy pa… ang importante “at the end of the day”… nararapat ang desisyon… popular man o hindi…

  12. MPRivera - October 14, 2011 2:16 pm

    kung matatandaan ninyo ay tinanggap ni noynoy ang pakikiramay ng magkapatid na marcos sa burol noon ng kanyang ina at nitong panahon ng eleksiyon ay sinuyo niya ang kailokanuhan sa kanilang mga boto at nang manalo siya’t maluklok sa malakanyang at kailangan ngayon ang ISANG MAKASAYSAYANG desisyon sana ang kanyang naitala sa aklat ng pulitika (at demokrasya na rin) sa Pilipinas. SINAYANG niya’t mas INUNA ang pakikinig sa sigaw daw ng mga biktima ng inhustisya noong panahon ng martial law gayundin ang pagkamatay ng kanyang ama.

    patay na si FM, wala ng magagawang perwisyo sa kanya at kahit sino ay hindi mapapatunayang siyang utak ng pagpaslang kay ninoy (na imposible sapagkat noong mga panahong ‘yun ay palaging nakaratay sa banig ng karamdaman) at magiging isang simbolikong hakbang ang pagpapalibing kasama na ang pagtatabon ng pulitikal na alitan sa pagitan ng dalawang angkan (marcos-aquino).

    alam nating masakit ang mawalan ng mahal sa buhay subalit, alin ba ang mas matimbang – ang isang buhay o ang kapakanan at pagkakaisa (SANA) ng halos ISANDAANG MILYONG mamamayan?

  13. Tedanz - October 14, 2011 7:18 pm

    Nakangiti si Villar sa mga nangyayari ……. na totot pala lahat ang hinala niya … na itong si Aquino ay alaaaaang kakuwenta-kwenta. Sabagay totoo naman na naging Senador lang itong taong ito dahil sa kanyang mga magulang at alalay lang ng kanyang ina at tagapag-alaga ng kanyang pamangkin.
    Biruin mong nakalimutan niya na pinaimbestigahan pala niya sa kanyang Bise itong isyu kay Marcos ….. wahhhhh yoko na … nagkanda-luko-luko na ang inyong Bansa …. wawa naman kayo :)

  14. saxnviolins - October 14, 2011 8:48 pm

    Ang kawawang Pilipino – dapat bigyan ng inumin ni Rip Van Winkle, para matulog at gumising matapos ang dalawampung taon.

    By then, wala na sa poder si PNoy, malamang bungal na. Si Corona, retired na rin by then. Ang dinaing na katawan ni Macoy, malamang ay nailibing na, at mga uugod-ugod na retired general ang nagbigay ng military honors, kasama na roon si Irwin at Weirdo (sorry, Wyrlo) Ver.

    Si Pacquiao ang prisidinti, at bati na sila ni Floyd Mayweather, the second black president of America. First Liydi si Jinky, Second Liydy si Nanay Dionisia, at Bisig Prisidinti si Nonito Donaire.

    Walang traffic, walang rice shortage dahil patay na ang mga pinagmamalasakitan ni Dinky Soliman.

    Yung buhay pa, nag-migrate na, dahil tumanda ang tao sa US at Europe, at nangailangan ng higit na maraming CCP (cuscus-puwet). Mas gusto nila ang magpunas ng puwet ng banyaga, kaisa halikan ang puwet ng pulitiko.

    Ang ex-President, nagbibigay pa rin ng speech, tulad ni Bill Clinton. People power pa rin ang paksa.

    Si Kris, UN Secretary General na ang pangarap, para matalbugan si Angelina Jolie.

    Patay na lahat ng mga diktador, dahil pinag-almusal ng death threat ni UN Justice, Miriam Defensor Santiago. Hindi naman cruel and unusual punishment, dahil sinawsaw muna sa kape ang papel na may death threat, tulad ng gawa sa pan de sal.

  15. Tedanz - October 14, 2011 9:17 pm

    Dagdag ko lang sax … ang mga pinoy ay nagsilayasan na para maghanap ng kaginhawahan sa buhay sa ibang Bansa ….. habang ang mga Intsik at Koryano naman ay dinaragsa ang ating iniwang Bansa. Sinong may sabi na ang Bansang Pilipinas ay pagme-mayari pa ng mga Pinoy …. hindi na noooo … ang mga Intsik ang mga pinakamayaman na … ang mga Intsik ang nagko-kontrol ng ating ekonomya ….. ang mga Intsik ang mga drugs at gambling lords ….. at ang Pangulo ay kalahating Intsik …. habang ang mga naiiwan pang mga Pinoy ay magsasaka na lamang. Kawawa talaga ang Bansa.

  16. joeseg - October 14, 2011 9:26 pm

    Pasaway kasi itong mga taga FOCAP, sukatin ba namang itanong kung totoong naglalaro ng PSP si PNoy noong kasagsagan ng bagyong Pedring…

  17. joeseg - October 14, 2011 9:35 pm

    @Fr. Al Diaz: The Libingan Ng Mga Bayani is for the Heroes of the country…

    May basehan naman si Fr. Diaz kung si Marcos ang paguusapan. Pero wala ata akong nabasa na may sinabi siya tungkol sa pagkakalibing doon ni General Angelo Reyes..

  18. chi - October 14, 2011 9:45 pm

    Sige, igapos ninyo sa nakaraan ang kinabukasan ng mga kabataan. – mpr

    Paurong na Daan!

    Para sa akin ha, maganda na ang solusyon ni Binay para tuluyan ng ma-RIP ang katawan ni FM. Ang tingin ko, ang tinanggihan ni Pnoy ay ang military honors na ibibigay sa dating pangulo. E ano na lang ba yun, consider token na lang sana para matapos na ang isyung ito na generasyon na ang binilang.

    Bakit ba type ni Pnoy at mates na mabuhay sa shadow ni Apo?!

  19. chi - October 14, 2011 9:47 pm

    #14. Jejeje! :) :) :)

  20. Tedanz - October 14, 2011 10:01 pm

    “Malacañang yesterday insisted that it would file charges against former President and now Pampanga Rep. Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo by November despite the admission of Justice Secretary Leila de Lima that government prosecutors may still not be ready by then.” ….
    De Limaaaa …. DeSais …. anak ka ng Lelang mong panot … bistadong bistado ka na …. na tuta ka ng mga Arroyo.
    Kung sino man ang Pangulo ng Pilipinas ngayon … may tililing man o wala … sipain na itong babaing doble kara.

  21. Tedanz - October 14, 2011 10:28 pm

    Kanya’t itong mga Arroyo mag-isip na kung papano ang diskarte nila pag si Glorya ay bawian na ng buhay ngayong si Noynoy ang Pangulo. Huwag nilang asahan na bibigyan siya ng state burial. Maliban na lang siguro kung si Glorya ay magbaril ng sarili na gaya ni Gen. Reyes :( :( :(.

  22. arvin - October 14, 2011 11:23 pm

    Ang isang mabuting pinuno ay dapat isang magandang halimbawa. Inutusan lang si VP Binay para mag konsulta tungkol kay Marcos pero hindi sinunod ni Pnoy. Nakakatawa naman ang ganun. Sana hindi nalang inutusan si VP Binay.

  23. arvin - October 14, 2011 11:27 pm

    Tama ang sinabi ni Bong bong Marcos na si Pnoy ay walang isang salita. Ang tungkol sa Edsa ay naisulat ko dito

  24. arvin - October 14, 2011 11:30 pm

    May mga tao naman na inilibing sa Libingan ng mga Bayani na hindi bayani. Kung hindi ako nagkakamali si Angelo Reyes ay doon inilibing. Bakit doon siya inilibing. Bayani ba siyang maituturing na nagpakamatay. Hindi isiniwalat ang katotohanan dahil may takot sa sarili. Kasalanan ng mga tao na inapi sa panahon ni Marcos ang sarili nila dahil hindi sila naging masunurin. Bagay sa kanila iyon. Ang dahilan ay naipost ko sa blog ko kasama ang newspaper clip na makita dito

  25. chi - October 14, 2011 11:39 pm

    Hahaha! Ikaw Tedanz ha… :)

    Ang nakakataka ay kung bakit maga-around the world pa si Gloria para magpagamot ng tumigas na leeg e hindi nga makagalaw sabi ng tuta na Suarez.

    Stem cell sa Germany, putragis paano ma-afford ng isang pekeng presidente ang gamutan na ganyan kung hindi nakorap lahat ang kaban ng bayan?!

    Ang layman’s term pala sa sakit ni Gloria ay neck arthritis. Grabe, pwedeng mag-exercise lang tuwing umaga e pinalitan ng titanium ang gulugod! Dapat idemanda nya ang kanyang mga doctor, nagmadali na patigasin sya lalo, hehehe!

  26. chi - October 14, 2011 11:43 pm

    Ay sori, nalihis ako ng daan dahil kay Tedanz. :)

    Balik Pnoy, magkano nagastos ni Rambotito sa study na hindi naman nasunod? Ilaaan na lang sa mga mahihirap ang budget para sa studies kuno ng mga isyu. Sa uulitin, wala ng study study tutal Pnoy’s wish is their command naman!

  27. vonjovi2 - October 14, 2011 11:59 pm

    May pag kukulang si APO Macoy pero mas hamak na marami siyang nagawang kabutihan rin sa bansa natin kumpara sa tatay ni PNOY at kay Cory. Iyun nga sa Hacienda nila hanggang ngayon ay di pa nila binibigay ang lupa na inangkin rin ng mga Aquino/Cojuancong eh.

  28. balweg - October 15, 2011 12:57 am

    Walastik talaga…wala na bang closure ang isyung ito…nagalsa-balutan ako noong 1985 na ang sigaw pabagsakin ang diktadurang Macoy…aba e 2011 na ito pa rin ang isyu?

    HOY GISING, maawa naman kayo sa Pinas…tuldukan nýo na ang burial isyu na yan para matahimik na ang bansa? Kung ang Panginoong Hesukristo e nagawang makapag-patawad sa mga taong nagpaku sa Kanya sa krus e tayo pang nilikha niya na di magawang magpatawad.

    Nasa Dios ang paghusga at kailangan matuto tayong magpatawad sa mga nagkasala sa atin upang magkaroon ng kapayapaan ang ating bayan…at buhay ng bawat isang kunauukulan.

    Ang lahat ng bagay ang may kadahilanan kaya nangyayari ang mga bagay na pagkaminsan e di natin inaasahang mangyari…tanging ang Panginoon lamang ang nakakaalam nito at tayo e may kanya-kanyang misyon sa buhay na papapelan either maging sanggano or maginoo.

  29. saxnviolins - October 15, 2011 1:13 am

    Si Richard Milhous Nixon, kinamumuhian ng maraming Kano, binigyan ng military honors, ngunit nilibing sa kanyang hometown.

    Si Park Chung Hee, diktador ng South Korea, nakalibing sa Seoul National Cemetery, katumbas ng libingan ng mga bayani, kung saan nakalibing ang mga namatay sa digmaan, pati ng ibang pangulo.

    Si Mao Zhedong, na marami ring pinatay, at binayaang mamatay sa gutom, nabigyan din ng paglibing na karapat-dapat sa isang pinuno.

    Mapagpatawad daw ang Pinoy; totoo yan, maliban kay PNoy.

    Si PNoy ay pangulo ng lahat, pati ng mga tumitingala pa kay Macoy. Kung pababayaang ilibing bilang pangulo si Macoy, para siyang nakikipagkamay sa mga fans ni Macoy, kahit hindi man siya makipagkamay kay Bongbong.

    Hindi naman pagtraydor yan sa mga inapi ni Macoy, dahil tuloy pa naman ang mga kaso laban kay Imelda at iba pang alipores ni Macoy. Kung inareglo yan, yun ang pagtratraydor, tulad ng ginawa kay General Garcia.

    Ang isa pang pagtratraydor ay yung pakikipag-areglo kay Danding at iba pa, ng mga tinalaga ni Cory sa PCGG. May nabalik na bang pera? Nakakatiyak ba tayong hindi sumawsaw ang mga PCGG commissioner sa kaban ng bayan na naging kaban ni Macoy?

    Isa lang ang may katiyakang hindi sumawsaw; si Haydee Yorac.

  30. saxnviolins - October 15, 2011 1:41 am

    Mahirap pala ang boksingero naging prisidinti. Isa lang ang kilala ko

    former heavyweight boxing champ Idi Amin Dada, president for life, and self-proclaimed King of Scotland.

  31. Mike - October 15, 2011 2:44 am

    He’s the president of all the Filipino people who voted for him. ;)

  32. saxnviolins - October 15, 2011 2:58 am

    # 28

    Of course. How could I forget.

    I stand corrected.

  33. teddymon - October 15, 2011 5:13 am

    you know.. Binay was asked to recommend.. but just because he did, it doesn’t mean his recommendation will be acted upon by the one who asked him to make a recommendation.. i mean since when was anyone obliged to act on a recommendation of anyone anyway?

    the other thing is this: as Malacanang, for me – RIGHTLY – said, a STATE burial, which this stupid bongbong marcos (who never even acknowledged the fact that his kawatan na peke na tatay ever committed any violation against human rights while he was squatting his odorous ass in Malacanang) insists should be done in the Libingan ng mga Bayani – is not possible while the President sits in office. But if they want to bury him with their version of that kind of burial, then by all means dump him in some grave in Ilocos Norte where Imee is Governor.. she can order a damn royal burial for all this nation cares – and she doesn’t need the permission of anyone, Malacanang included, to do that.. di bala?

  34. Mike - October 15, 2011 2:38 pm

    @teddymon, #33:

    No argument re: “…when was anyone obliged to act on a recommendation of anyone anyway?”

    The question is, why ask someone especially the VP to study and recommend what to do with the corpse of Marcos if right from the start he had already made up his mind not to allow any state honors, etc.? Waste of time and government resources if you ask me. He should, right from the start said NO, period. Di tapos ang kwento.

  35. TonGuE-tWisTeD - October 15, 2011 2:55 pm

    Eto ang salarin:

  36. TonGuE-tWisTeD - October 15, 2011 2:56 pm

    Mamamatay din naman kayo.

    -Tongue in, anew!

  37. TonGuE-tWisTeD - October 15, 2011 3:06 pm

    “I was raped,” she told a public official for the first time.
    And let me say this. Rosales was not the only one raped. The entire Filipino people – minus the Marcoses, their cronies and lackeys and officials and relatives – everyone else was raped of their self-worth, their dignity, their humanity, their sense of right and wrong, their dreams and their future. -Raissa Robles

    Yeah right, Raissa. Every Filipino farmhand was raped, maimed, tortured, and killed by the hacienda bourgeoisie who hated Marcos for giving away their lands. Oh well, almost all except that lucky hacienda in Tarlac.

  38. Star 1542 - October 15, 2011 4:20 pm

    For the information of Fr. Art Diaz and all the people who consider the words of the Aquinos as the gospel truth, Cory Aquino allowed the burial of a dog (K-9)at the Libingan ng mga Bayani with full military honors.(This can also be found in as No.11 in the “Unusual Cemeteries From Around the World.”)

    She wanted to insult Marcos, but in effect she insulted the entire Filipino people, especially the members of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (the human), who have the right to be buried in that cemetery and the loved ones of those buried there. The blind followers of Cory lauded her action.

    In your Christian opinion, do you agree with Cory and Noynoy that the dog had more right to be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani than former President Ferdinand Marcos?

  39. chi - October 15, 2011 8:38 pm

    Hindi pa kasi ipalibing e, ilang huni lang ba ng trumpet ang ibubuga?! Kung ayaw, ipreso nila ang bangkay ni Marcos para matuwa sila. :)

  40. humus - October 15, 2011 9:35 pm

    P Noy at the time when he ordered a study about Marcos burial has probably not made up his mind yet on what to do with the (low priority?) Marcos cadaver. And has followed one from the many suggestions from people around him (to make his VP do a study). Is it vindictiveness, indecisiveness or mental dishonesty If he has already made up his mind and did not put it into effect, considering his family’s past involving Marcos.?

    Filipinos and even foreigners have now a growing perception of Noynoy Aquino as President and as a person. His slowness to act, his many NOT my priority response to media drummed up priority issues, his morality to be seen late in coming. The comments now seem to be providing answers to questions like: Is he vindictive; careful or naturally slow. Is he cunningly
    Dishonest or DECISIVE? When he set aside his VP’s findings and recommendation and courted the ire and criticisms, was that vindictiveness or decisiveness of the MOMENT. People depending on which side their bread is buttered will judge him based also on his past decisions.

    Most politicians and even professors lie when they say, they have not made up their minds and need more time and info. It is not like asking them one plus one equals what? An answer they know they can not deny. Authorities are bestowed with resources to apply to test their ignorance, their decisiveness, or their prudence to act; to minimize subjectivity of the situation. Not to use the resources (study groups) will certainly not help make up their minds. To enlarge your info premises is not so different from GOOGLING it yourself.

  41. humus - October 15, 2011 9:54 pm

    I just wonder whether some Ellen patriots in this blog
    are interested on seeing here the burning issues like the Supreme Court defence and offence regarding its past and current performances; the New Ombudsman’s coming and goings, the probable jail or exile of members of the Arroyo family; some impossible solutions to typhoons and floods, the “dole like” programs of P Noy and Dinky; Why P Noy seems to be Overseas Travel sick? The vested interests in Changing the Constitution. Many and I know that in these Ellen’s pages, for the country, nothing is untouchable. Just wondering!

  42. Mike - October 15, 2011 11:31 pm


    We only discuss issues related to the topic. Discussing none related issues would be off-topic.

  43. parasabayan - October 16, 2011 1:45 am

    This has become, yet again, a political decision. Almost everyone in power now are in the “yellow” camp. The Aquinos went through a lot during the Marcos regime, it will not be so easy to forgive. I can not blame Pnoy for his decision not to bury Apo Marcos with honors. I guess, the Marcoses will have to wait for another president, one who is friendlier to them and wont alienate the yeloows as well. Will Binay be this one?

  44. Phil Cruz - October 16, 2011 7:14 am

    I have always believed that Marcos should not be given a hero’s burial because he was not a hero. And I believe he should not be buried in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. He was a crook of the highest order and was responsible for the snuffing out of thousands of lives and the impoverishment of millions.

    PNoy’s decision is correct. What I don’t agree with is the manner by which he made it. He should just have ordered a survey quietly without funfare.. then make a decision based on that.. plus whatever other criteria he may have.

  45. vic - October 16, 2011 10:13 am

    In retrospect,each can have a take on the President’s decision. Study findings and recommendations is a very good basis to make a decision, but does not mean that the final decision will agree with the study’s findings and reccmmendations and in contrary it could ba a basis to go against…it is like being a Judge..after all the evidence presented on the csse…may have to reject them all…with justifications of his own…in accordance to the law and in the case of the President on Marcos. the Realities.

  46. MPRivera - October 16, 2011 6:46 pm

    kung ganyan din lang ang mangyayari, babalewalain ang konsultasyon upang maging basehan ng desisyon aba’y ano pang silbi?

    kung hindi isang uri ng lokohan ay ano’ng maitatawag natin sa pambabalewalang ito hindi lamang ng pagod ng tao kundi kahihiyang inabot sa pakikipag-usap sa mga tao.

    nariyan na nga ang opinyon – mas nakalalamang ang pabor na ilibing kaysa umaayaw. kung may pag-aalinlangan din ang ilan, ‘yun ay upang matapos na ang usapin at magsimula tayong sama sama sa pagsulong.

  47. MPRivera - October 16, 2011 6:50 pm

    sige, magturo kayo ng presidenteng hindi nabahiran ng katiwalian ang pamumuno.

    kung pinaka-crooked si FM, ano’ng tawag ninyo kay goyang?

    nadadala kayo sa arteng nagsasakitsakitan?


  48. saxnviolins - October 16, 2011 9:45 pm

    Let us clarify a few points here, because we seem to have lost focus. People are objecting to a hero’s burial, and objecting to Marcos’ being buried in the LNMB, because he was not a hero.

    That is not the recommendation of Binay.

    Binay recommended a state funeral, with burial in Ilocos Norte. (lagyan ng “http://” sa unahan)

    Military honors are defined as:

    A military funeral is a specially orchestrated funeral given by a country’s military for a soldier, sailor, marine or airman who died in battle, a veteran, or other prominent military figures or heads of state. A military funeral may feature guards of honor, the firing of volley shots as a salute, drumming and other military elements, with a flag draping over the coffin. On occasion, deceased soldiers have been accorded military funerals by their enemies (for example, see Manfred von Richthofen). (lagyan ng “http://” sa unahan)

    Jean Bedel Bokassa was an African dictator who was accused of cannibalism and other heinous crimes. He was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death. His successor, Andre Kolingba, later commuted his sentence to life imprisonment, to show his opposition to the death penalty. Kolingba later granted a general amnesty, which included Bokassa.

    (lagyan ng “http://” sa unahan)

    When Bokassa died, he was given a state funeral by the government.,++%22state+funeral%22&source=bl&ots=MwhTuVAhS5&sig=Ay04VQmtcEXliJ7UAH9knKy2-Vw&hl=en&ei=NdmaTodriOjRAef80bYE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    (lagyan ng “http://” sa unahan)

    We pride ourselves in being the only Christian country in Asia. The defining quality of Christ’s teaching (as exemplified by his life), at least for me, is Christ’s emphasis on forgiveness, instead of punishment (Old Testament – Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord). Note, the Roman soldiers did not ask for forgiveness when Christ forgave them.

    Sabi ni Noy, apology muna daw before state burial Ganoon din ang sabi ni Inay noon, no reconciliation without justice.

    It seems, we have been out-Christianed by an African nation – a region looked down upon by uppity NoyPis. Nasaan na ang Jesuit education?

  49. florry - October 17, 2011 3:47 am

    Even before Noynoy commissioned Binay to do the study, he already decided long time ago that there’s no way he will allow Marcos to be interred with a state funeral. That’s in line with his mother.

    The commissioning of Binay without any intention of following and taking into account his recommendation is a hypocritical and deceitful act. He did it for his own enjoyment, fun and pleasure in knowing that some people especially the Marcoses are to be hung in suspense.

    It’s not an act of a leader much more from a president but from a person with a childish, immature and sick mind.

  50. MPRivera - October 17, 2011 6:13 pm

    ano ba ‘yung nakasuksok sa harap ng polo ni PeNoy? sign pen?

    a president still acting like a high school student?

    tingnan ‘yung bulsa ng pantalon sa likuran, baka may nakasuksok na tinuping notebook!

  51. saxnviolins - October 17, 2011 8:59 pm

    Tinuping notebook? Baka BTS. Binili sa Quiapo.

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