The back channels: Trillanes, US and Pangilinan


By Ellen Tordesillas, VERA Files

Trillanes

Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV acted as the Philippines’ backdoor negotiator with China from April to July this year, communicating with Chinese foreign affairs officials in a role, Presidential Spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said, in which he won “minor successes.”

Lacierda, though, did not give details.

Trillanes said President Benigno S. Aquino III gave him the assignment verbally and could not produce any documents to prove he was acting in an official capacity. The role was fraught with deniability, with Malacanang even saying it was Trillanes who sought the job.

Based on various interviews with Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario, senior foreign affairs officials, military officials, Chinese sources and with Trillanes himself, VERA Files assembled the following timeline of Trillanes’ involvement in the dispute between the Philippines and China over Panatag, also called Scarborough Shoal:

April 8, 2012


The Philippine Navy’s lone modern naval patrol frigate, BRP Gregorio del Pilar, apprehended eight Chinese fishing boats with sizable quantities of endangered marine species, corals, live sharks and giant clams.

The Chinese immediately sent sometime three Chinese Marine Surveillance (CMS) to protect their fishermen. BRP Gregorio del Pilar was withdrawn in consonance with the agreed terms of engagement of “white to white, gray to gray.”

“White to white” means civilian ships are to deal only with civilian ships, in this case the Philippine Coast Guard to the Chinese Marine Surveillance. “Gray to gray” means navy to navy.

The Philippine government sent Philippine Coast Guard and Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources patrol ships to the uninhabited rocks 124 nautical miles off Zambales province in northwestern Philippines. The Chinese sent more reinforcement.

Del Rosario

At the height of the standoff, the number of Chinese vessels and fishing boats reached almost 100.

April 14, 2012

On the diplomatic front, talks were deteriorating with Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario accusing Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing of bad faith.

“It appears there is an element that is lacking in our negotiations. I seek a deeper element of trust from our Chinese friends,” Del Rosario said in a press statement.

Chinese sources said the Chinese leadership was confused with all the mixed signals they were getting from Malacañang, the Department of Foreign Affairs and the media, and they wanted to get directly to President Aquino.

May 2012

As tensions between Manila and Beijing worsened, Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa asked Trillanes whether he “would like to help,” Trillanes said in interviews on Wednesday. He said he saw nothing out of the ordinary with the request since he had earlier also gone to Vietnam on Malacanang’s request.

Trillanes said he looked up Chinese officials he had met in his earlier official visit. Sources said some Chinese-Filipino supporters also facilitated contacts in Beijing.

Preliminary meetings were held in Manila and in Bejing to make sure both sides had the adequate authority from the highest level of government.

Fu Ying

One of the officials Trillanes was talking with was Fu Ying, vice minister of Foreign Affairs in charge of “Asia, boundary and ocean affairs and translation and interpretation” and fourth in the hierarchy in China’s foreign ministry. She was China’s ambassador to the Philippines from 1998 to 2000.

In one of his trips to Beijing, Trillanes reported to the President by phone. The President informed him that he will be on speaker phone so the other cabinet members can listen in and be guided accordingly. Del Rosario was among them.

But Del Rosario also had his own backdoor negotiator. In one meeting with the President in Malacanang, Del Rosario was asked by Aquino who authorized the trip of Manuel V. Pangilinan to China to talk with the China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) officials.

Pangilinan is chairman and chief executive officer of Philex Mining Corp. that has secured the contract with the government to explore in Reed Bank, an area near Palawan also claimed by China.

Pangilinan apparently had a different account of his trip than what China said he requested of CNOOC. Del Rosario owned up to “sort of encourage Pangilinan to go and open another channel to China thru the private sector since the political channel has failed.”

Del Rosario said it was consistent with the President’s directive. It was at this point that he offered, “I served at the pleasure of the President.”

‘Simultaneous’ pullout

Campbell

Days before President Aquino left for London and the United States, Fu Ying was in Washington D.C and met with Kurt Campbell, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs.

DFA and Chinese sources said Campbell suggested a simultaneous withdrawal of vessels from Panatag Shoal to de-escalate the tension.

A DFA official said United States Ambassador to Manila Harry Thomas relayed to Del Rosario that Beijing has agreed to a simultaneous withdrawal.

This is the “agreement” Del Rosario said Beijing reneged on. He referred to this agreement in several statements.

A DFA statement attributed to Undersecretary Erlinda Basilio, who was in Italy at that time it was released, explained why there was no ASEAN communiqué in the last meeting of foreign ministers of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Cambodia. The statement said:

“On the reference to ‘duplicity and intimidation,’ the Philippines forged an agreement with a neighboring country for the simultaneous pullout of all vessels inside the shoal, which we undertook in good faith on June 4. Furthermore, the neighboring country agreed to remove its barrier at the entrance of the shoal.

“Yet to this day, the neighboring country has not fulfilled its obligations under the agreement and has maintained its ships inside and outside the shoal, as well as its barrier, in its aim to establish effective control and jurisdiction in the shoal and surrounding waters.”

Chinese sources said what happened in Washington was that Fu Ying told Campbell she would relay the suggestion to Beijing.

Bejing said they would “gradually pull out” of the disputed shoal. “There was never a commitment for a total pullout,” a Chinese source said, explaining that “they have a domestic audience to consider.”

China has always been against the intervention of the U.S. in conflict in Asia and sources said the Chinese officials did not appreciate it that the Americans were negotiating for the Philippines.

First week of June

Based on Thomas’ confirmation, Del Rosario ordered the pullout of Philippine vessels in the middle of the night. By morning, the President was displeased that Del Rosario had made that order. So he called Trillanes to ask the Chinese why their ships remained in the area when the Philippines had already pulled out.

Trillanes was unaware of such an agreement coursed through the U.S. Following the President’s orders, he called his counterpart in China to follow the Philippine move, since both countries had already agreed on a “simultaneous pullout.”

The Chinese sent word to Aquino, through Trillanes, that they would issue a statement to explain the back-to-port order of their ships, and asked that they be given 48 hours to relay the orders to appropriate agencies in Beijing.

Aquino departed for London and the U.S., relieved that the tension had de-escalated.

The Philippines said it pulled out its ships to safety because of the bad weather in Scarborough Shoal. China for its part said they will go back to port to re-supply.

But before China could complete the pullout, the DFA issued a statement accusing China of reneging on an agreement. This angered China, which insisted there was no such agreement.

The Pangilinan connection

Pangilinan

As questions were being raised over Trillanes’ role as backdoor negatiator, Pangilinan has come out accusing Trillanes of fabricating lies. Trillanes had earlier said Pangilinan had a hand in agitating anti-China sentiments among Filipinos.

Pangilinan and Del Rosario go back a long way. Del Rosario has been involved in companies run by Pangilinan, being director of the Philippine First Pacific Co. (Hong Kong), PT Indofood Sukses Makmur Tbk, the largest food company in Indonesia; Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co., Metro Pacific Investments Corp., Philex Mining Corp., Metro Pacific Tollways Corp., Metro Pacific Tollways Development Corp., Manila North Tollways Corp. and ABC Development Corp.

Del Rosario had headed the development of Pacific Plaza Towers, Metro Pacific Corp.’s signature project. He is said to have introduced Pangilinan to the Salim family of Indonesia, which is behind First Pacific.

Pangilinan is chairman and chief executive officer of Philex Mining Corp., which owns 74.79 percent of Philippines Petroleum Corp. Philex Petroleum owns 64.45 percent of Forum Energy Plc. (FEP), an oil and gas exploration company incorporated in the United Kingdom with focus on the Philippines.

FEP owns 70 percent of the Service Contract 72, a seven-year exploration contact in the Reed Bank awarded by the Philippine government in 2010. SC 72 contains the Sampaguita Fields said to contain up to large amounts of oil and gas. FEP is committed to dig two wells in Sampaguita by August 2013 under its work program with the government. It is currently looking for foreign partners to invest in the project, including CNOOC. —with Charmaine Deogracias

(VERA Files is put out by veteran journalists taking a deeper look at current issues. VERA is Latin for “true.”)

September 21, 2012 6:46 am   Posted in: Foreign Affairs

439 Responses

  1. Al - September 21, 2012 7:51 am

    Sabi ko na nga,Ellen knows the behind the scenes happenings in this conflict with China. You can sense it in her articles on the topic that she was holding off. There, it’s out.

    So it’s not only Trillanes who was backchanneling. Worse, we even asked the United States to speak for us! WTF!

    And Del Rosario trying to use MVP or is it MVP using del Rosario?

    What a mess.

  2. chi - September 21, 2012 8:26 am

    Ay naku, may Haliburton nga atty sax!

  3. chi - September 21, 2012 8:36 am

    My hunch was right when I said in the previous loop that might the president was not happy about del Rosario and that meron specific na ipinatatrabaho si Pnoy kay Trillanes.

    Ubos na patience ko kay Lacierda who very clear is doing a damage control by insisting that Trillanes volunteered himself to Pnoy. E ano ngayon, binasbasan ni Pnoy kahit “verbal” o pare-pare approach lang.

    Kontra din ang sinasabi ni Lacierda sa kanyang balancing act.

    “Despite these developments, Lacierda said the “big picture is Philippine-China relations are better now than what it was during the height of the tension in Panatag Shoal.”

    “So we have seen better relations with China – warmer relations with China now,” Lacierda said.”

    Di ba Panatag Shoal ang assignment kay Trillanes? How come they’ve only won “minor successes” when in fact nahupa ang tension na dinala ni del Rosario by asking the US to intervene?

    Ayusin mo nga sarili mo Lacierda!

  4. pranning - September 21, 2012 8:46 am

    21 September 1967

    Ms. Ellen,

    If what you chronicled above are true and correct, my question right now is why is del rosario not resigning? He is doing back chanelling without the knowledge of Pnoy e.

    With regards to trillanes, I still believe that every Filipinos deserve to know what is/are agreed upon by his back chanelling.

    prans

  5. parasabayan - September 21, 2012 8:46 am

    Too many cooks spoil the broth! Pinagtatawanan lang tayo ng mga singkit niyan. Kanya kanyang diskarte, hanep! Bakit pa inilagay ni Pnoy si del Rosario kung hindi naman pala niya ito maaasahan? It is very very clear that Pnoy was not contented with his work on the Shoal issue so he commissioned Trillianes to help. Hindi tanga si Sonny na basta na lang sasabak dyan na hindi niya alam ang mg pasikot sikot. Enrile has underestimated Sonny’s capability kaya pagkatapos ng tantrum niya noong isang araw, biglang about face at sinabi na niyang hindi na niya ibubunyag yung ibang expose sa Brady diary for the sake of “National Interest”. O baka naman gusto rin ni Enrile na akusahan si Pangilinan? Why single out Trillanes?

  6. chi - September 21, 2012 8:48 am

    Kapag inuulit-ulit ng Palasyo/Lacierda na Trillanes “volunteered” in order to pin the kaguluhan/ blame on the senator at maabswelto si Pnoy, nakakaduda na. Ang tendency ko ngayon ay maniwala na they were the ones who sought help from Trillanes.

    Witb Pnoy giving Trillanes the go signal to back channel the accountability rests with the president, the buck stops with him. Magkabols naman kayo dyan sa Palasyo oy!

  7. parasabayan - September 21, 2012 8:52 am

    Sorry Prans, hindi natin malalaman ang mga pinagusapan ng mga yan. Dadalhin nila yan sa kanilang mga libingan. They are “secret” negotiations. Kung si pandak yang nandyan, usapang swapangan. With Trillianes, I can trust that he will not sell us off. Yan ang mga roles ng mga diplomats, they can see, hear but can not talk too much. Kung baga, sila ang ating mga messengers and trouble shooters in keeping with our national interests.

  8. chi - September 21, 2012 8:52 am

    Wala akong ma-say sa “Pangilinan Connection” kundi dafuq!

  9. chi - September 21, 2012 9:05 am

    Ang ‘Simultaneous’ pullout agreement nakakaloka. Sino ba talaga ang hindi nakaintindi, si del Rosario o si Fu Ying?

    Sabi ng Beijing there never was a commitment, relay lang daw muna. Sabi ni del Rosario there was and China reneged. Haysus!

  10. chi - September 21, 2012 9:06 am

    Thanks Ellen and Charmaine, you did a wonderful job.

  11. baycas2 - September 21, 2012 9:12 am

    Maraming salamat ulit, Ma’am Ellen.

  12. xman - September 21, 2012 9:34 am

    Ito ang tunay na katauhan ni Trillanes:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410239349030161&set=a.110423725678393.22123.110296245691141&type=1&theater

    hahahahhahaha

  13. juggernaut - September 21, 2012 11:04 am

    we do this all the time, to avert worst case scenarios, may mga negotiations over negotiations, some have to be covered by plausible deniability pero dapat hindi na nilabas ni enrile to pinag usapan na lang nila in private, gago talaga yung matandang yun. ipit si trillanes dito kung hindi niy sinabing my basbas kay presidente patay siya ididiin siya ni enrile and del rosario as a traitor, a classic example of good intentions turning bad.
    bakit nman kasi pumutak pa to si enrile?

  14. parasabayan - September 21, 2012 2:14 pm

    Nagsalita na si Pnoy at sinabing ang China daw ang nag-seek ng tulong kay Trillianes. Mukhang inilaglag na nga si Sonny and left to dry. I hope Trillianes will get through this.

  15. parasabayan - September 21, 2012 2:17 pm

    It is election time. Ayaw siguro ni Enrile na manalo ulit si Trillianes kaya sinisiraan. Gusto niyang manalo yung mga mahahawakan niya sa leeg.

  16. manuelbuencamino - September 21, 2012 2:29 pm

    Normal ang backdoor channels. Kailangan yan lalo na kung may mainit na conflict na ayaw ng both sides na mag-escalate. Backdoor channels allow both sides to explore and test various avenues for conflict resolution. It is done below the radar of public opinion to prevent the talks from becoming political football by opposing factions in each country’s domestic politics. It allows both sides to deliver calibrated responses.

    Countries do not just magically get together. They send feelers first. And feelers are carried by unofficial emissaries, from businessmen to sportsmen to cultural exchanges to mutual friends and relatives. Feedback from those unofficial talks guide the officialdom in formulating policy.

    Enrile acts as though back chanelling were treasonous. Don’t tell me that during his time in the Marcos administration there was never any instance of backchanneling authorized by the president. Ginagawa yun ng lahat ng bayan, pangkaraniwan yun.

    The only issue is whether the backchanneling was effective and whether or not the backchannel was working for his country’s interest or the other’s.

    JPE has to prove that Trillanes was working to advance China’s interest otherwise he should shut up.

  17. Lurker - September 21, 2012 4:11 pm

    Why would Sen. Trillanes work for China? Isn’t that the most stupid suggestion?

    I believe he’s just being pilloried for DARING to go against old man Enrile.

  18. saxnviolins - September 21, 2012 7:42 pm

    Nadinig ko lang yang back channeling in the Iran-Contra case, and the Oslo accords. So I did a little googling.

    Here is some background on back channeling, written by a Ph.D candidate in Tufts University. I don’t know when it was written; baka Ph.D. na nga ang writer. Tufts is the premier diplomacy university of the US. Para bagang MIT for Engineering, or Ateneo, San Beda or UP atbp for Philippine law (tinodo ko na baka may magalit). Alphabetical yan. No treason meant to UP.

    american.edu/sis/faculty/upload/Wanis-Back-Channel-Working-Paper.pdf (lagyan ng tatlong w)

    Although it says American University, this other pdf says he was a Ph.D. candidate of Tufts:

    repository01.lib.tufts.edu:8080/fedora/get/tufts:UA015.012.DO.00003/bdef:TuftsPDF/getPDF (lagyan ng “h t t p : / /” na magkakadikit).

    Thesis proposal pa lang yung pangalawa, so read only the first link.

    Inumpisahan niya sa back channeling between Salah-al-Din (or Saladdin) and King Richard (the lionhearted). Then he cites other instances, like Kissinger and Cuba, the Iran-Contra, and the Oslo accords, leading up to the Madrid talks between the Israelis and Palestinians.

    It is a good read, for the patient; yung hindi puro press release ang binabasa.

    And here is contemporary back channeling. Yung “magkaaway” na US and Iran, talking about Syria:

    alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/31/174727.html (lagyan ng tatlong w).

    chi:

    Sa lahat ng example, peace ang inaatupag. Walang Haliburton. War ang gusto ng Haliburton para may benta.

  19. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:01 pm

    Standard operational procedure to do back channel negotiations.

    Enrile is wrong to have exposed this. If you really want to be very strict about it, he did not have the right to do it — it goes against the very tenet of raison d’état which, if violated, is tantamount to treason.

    Enrile is gerrymandering and when he got caught he puts on his vindictive or vengeance armour. We can not trust everything he says because when the old Senator goes public and is in an attack mode, he is always motivated by something, and sometimes, there is a sinister background to his exposé, more than just political, often it’s all about personal vengeance.

    Picking out bits and pieces from the Brady report/note is completely and passing them off as truth is completely way out of line.

  20. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:05 pm

    As I see it, Enrile will do everything to destroy Sen Trillanes even if he has to compromise national security.

    Trillanes, sadly, is gagged. His mission was to be top secret or confidential. Malacanang can even disown him and he cannot do anything about it unless he does an Enrile which will run counter to his principles. There lies the problem.

    Senator Trillanes must come out fighting. Media have bought the Enrile cock and bull expose and the public only remembered what Enrile had untruthfully said: that Trillanes worked for China.

  21. Lurker - September 21, 2012 8:07 pm

    Old man Enrile is soon launching his book on Martial Law. His “Final Fantasy,” perhaps?

  22. chi - September 21, 2012 8:16 pm

    #18. noted si Haliburton.

    #14. Inilaglag na talaga. Buti na lang naunhan sila ni Trillanes. Trillanes is too straight for the guys in the Palace who can’t even own up to their own doing of making ‘utusan’ of Trillanes.

    #17. Why would Sen. Trillanes work for China? Isn’t that the most stupid suggestion?
    As stupid as it is, this was the line pursued by Enrile when he’s big ego was pricked by Trillanes.

  23. chi - September 21, 2012 8:18 pm

    #19. Anna, sabi nga ni schumey if Enrile has the goods on Trillanes, charged him with treason. If none, he should shut up.

  24. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:22 pm

    And this story by GMA News is helping Enrile’s crusade against Trillanes.

    PNoy says China picked Trillanes as backchannel negotiator

    “Ang tanda ko diyan, kinontak tayo ni Senator Trillanes at tila nasa China siya at that time. At nilapitan siya, tinanong ‘yung posibilidad kung pupuwede siyang maging backchannel [negotiator] nga,” Aquino told reporters on the sidelines of the inauguration of the Aquino-Diokno Memorial in Nueva Ecija.

    This was contrary to Trillanes’ claim that it was Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa Jr. who proposed that he negotiate with Chinese authorities on behalf of the Philippines. He said Ochoa brought up the issue during a social gathering in Malacañang last May.

    Aquino also hinted that his hasty acquiescence to Trillanes’ request was pushed by a “belligerent tone” coming from the formal channels, something which was absent in the cooperation between China and the Philippines during the Manila hostage crisis. “Nagtaka tayo nung umusbong itong Scarborough Shoal na incident, ‘yung formal channel naging very belligerent ’yung tono kaya tandaan ninyo ’yung sagutan nung kanilang ambassador na—ano nga ba ‘yung mga phrases [na nabanggit,] ‘indisputable historical right to Scarborough Shoal,’” Aquino said.

    “Nagulat tayo na ‘yung mga dating mga informal na conduits nila para mapadala sa atin ‘yung kanilang mga pananaw ay tila nawala lahat, ano. Walang informal channels na dati’y agaran pinararating ’yung kanilang mga gustong iparating e. Bigla na lang nawala,” Aquino added.

    NAKNAMPUCHA! PNoy is politicking. The disowning operation is on. The statesman-like thing to do when national security is at stake is to shut up. He is merely showing that China still has got him by the balls. :-(

  25. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:24 pm

    Kambal,

    Si Enrile ang dapat ma-treason diyan — violating raison d’état tenet but of course in Philippine politics di nila alam yan… Engot na matanda iyan ah

  26. chi - September 21, 2012 8:27 pm

    Lacierda already owned up to Pnoy giving basbas to Trillanes via “verva” o pare-pare sytem.

    Now, Pnoy was saying it was the Chinese who sought assistance of Trillanes. Even if that was true, Trillanes’ “minor successes” for temporary peace at Panatag was worth it. Kundi sa kanya, e malaking gera na.

    Face-off kayong dalawa, so we will know who’s telling the truth. Several times Trillanes attended meeting of this sensitive issue in Malacanang. Pnoy should have shown him the door right away if he knew that Trillanes was there for the Chinese.

  27. chi - September 21, 2012 8:28 pm

    “verbal” yan…

  28. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:28 pm

    Pero kung si PNoy is already denouncing his emissary, wala ng raison d’état. Mga loko ang politicians natin!!!

    What PNoy must realise is that whether Trillanes asked for the job first or whether Mr Aquino did is immaterial; the fact is in-approve ng Malacanang ang back channeling ni Trillanes so he must not give credence to the Enrile cock and bull gerrymandering of the Brady report.

  29. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:28 pm

    what is basbas?

  30. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:31 pm

    Kung “tinatraydor” din lang ni PNoy si Trillanes, eh sige, Trillanes must go out and reveal the contents of his secret or confidential mission… otherwise, he will be buried alive by the avalance of villifications from the public.

  31. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:33 pm

    Tama si Schumey… but know what? I’m sure as we speak, Enrile is doing just that. He and his team will be fabricating evidences to be able to charge him with treason. Trillanes should do the same… counter-charge Enrile for treason :D

  32. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:34 pm

    for endangering national security :D

  33. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:34 pm

    *avalanche

  34. chi - September 21, 2012 8:36 pm

    #25, Kambal Anna, nabulol na si Pnoy. :) He is better of with a mouth shut than letting the Chinese know that he got no balls to stand by his own back door negotiator. Hanggang Puno lang talaga si Pnoy.

    This development of Pnoy talking trash of Trillanes, magagalit na tuluyan si schumey.

  35. chi - September 21, 2012 8:37 pm

    basbas, authority/nod given (verbal daw sabi ni Lacierda)

  36. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 8:38 pm

    oh ok thanks Kambal

  37. chi - September 21, 2012 8:44 pm

    Sakto #28 mo, Kambal. As to Enrile and team fabricating evidences of treason against Trillanes, no doubt. At the end, because of Pnoy already politicking this issue, and Enrile with fake evidence manghihimas na naman ng bakal si Trillanes sa preso.

  38. olan - September 21, 2012 9:02 pm

    The split of camarines sur (camsur) in the Bicol region being pushed by some individual is the real issue here not the neophyte back channeling activity. Imagine splitting camsur for political reasons..pinaghahatian parang kanila. Also, they should stop discrediting the neophyte dahil authorized and requested ng China ang kanyang involvement. Also, the DFA should be shielded from private dealings using the issue. In my view, come election time it may backfire sa mga nang haharas sa neophyte..Me no more Binay..don’t like the people sorrounding him.

  39. chi - September 21, 2012 9:13 pm

    Pnoy said:

    Before Trillanes entered the picture, Chinese ships that were deployed near the Scarborough Shoal had reached a significant number, overwhelming the number of Philippine vessels.

    Aquino is crediting the efforts of Trillanes and “other efforts” for bringing down that number significantly.

    “Umabot nang napakarami. Siguro parang umabot ng disiotso pwera pa ‘yung mga fishing boats nila na umabot yata ng 30. So kumonti nang kumonti ‘yon. ‘Yon naman siguro pwede nating i-credit doon sa efforts… ni Senator Trillanes at iba pang efforts,” he said.

    The tensions between the two countries have also eased since, according to Aquino.

    “Hindi ko pwedeng ibigay sa inyo lahat ng detalye pero mukhang napakaliwanag na humupa naman nang maski papaano ‘yung tension diyan at nakatulong si Senator Trillanes,” he said.

    Trillanes remains to have that role, according to the President.
    __

    Sa pag-amin ni Pnoy that he made Trillanes his back channel guy (kahit ano pa ang circumstaces) with “minor successes”, this makes Enrile’ threat of charging Trillanes with treason. btw, paano naging “minor success” ito, when it’s the meat of Pnoy’s speech at NE?

  40. chi - September 21, 2012 9:16 pm

    olan, kasalanan lahat ni Enrile yan, napikon lang isinigaw na ang China isyu ng wala sa lugar. Kagulo tuloy, dapat sya kasuhan ng treason.

  41. chi - September 21, 2012 9:17 pm

    Oppps.. this makes Enrile’s threat of charging Trillanes with treason irrelevant.

  42. chi - September 21, 2012 9:18 pm

    “other efforts”…sino-sino kaya yun?

  43. chi - September 21, 2012 9:22 pm

    #16. mb, thanks for the input, you’re one of the guys whose opinions I believe and respect.

  44. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 10:00 pm

    Ah ok… the scenario has changed kung ganon… Thanks Chi for posting that. But as you rightly asked, paano naging minor success if thanks to Trillanes, lumayas na iyong mga Chinese vessels?

    Anyway, this is good enough (even if Trillanes’ participation was scaled down): ““Hindi ko pwedeng ibigay sa inyo lahat ng detalye pero mukhang napakaliwanag na humupa naman nang maski papaano ‘yung tension diyan at nakatulong si Senator Trillanes,” (“maski papaano” is really scaling it down to almost bottom level)

    And of course, PNoy cannot reveal the details — question not only of national security but of diplomatic arrangements with China. So, media must back off and instead should tell Enrile to back off as well.

  45. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 10:02 pm

    And tama ka Chi, the threat of Enrile to charge Trilanes with treason is now flushed down the toilet.

  46. Aurore de Breizh - September 21, 2012 10:03 pm

    Pero itong si Enrile dapat hampasin ng kitchen sink…

  47. perl - September 21, 2012 10:27 pm

    tanggaling na as senate president yan si enrile, wala na bang ibang baho si trillanes at bakit yung napakasensitibong impormasyon na malalagay sa alanganin ang bansa natin ang kailngan nyang ilabas sa publiko? o baka naman gusto nya din idamay si PNoy para bumaba ang approval rating dahil malapit na election?

  48. chi - September 21, 2012 10:33 pm

    Absolutely agree sa #44 mo, Anne. Now Enrile insists on asking ‘Who’s Trillanes’ Chinese connection?’ Ayaw patalo sa neophyte senator, sekreto nga e matter of national security.

    Naku, hindi titigil sabi mo nga. You and Magno are my source here when it comes to Enrile and ‘many inmportant’ guys, whatever you two say about him/them I don’t doubt.

  49. perl - September 21, 2012 10:41 pm

    hindi bat si Del Rosario and unang naglabas sa publiko tungkol sa back-channeling na yan? kaya nga back-channel dahil gusto ng gobyerno maging secret or confidential ang negosasyon, bakit sya nagpainterview sa PDI tungkol dito? dahil ba mas pinaniniwalaan na ni PNoy si trillanes? kung tingin nya, hindi effective o mas nakakasama pa ang back-chanelling na ginagawa ni trillanes, kay PNoy sya magreklamo at wala syang karapatang ilabas yan sa media…

    kung hindi nga lang magaling ang mga ginagawa ni del Rosario sa issue sa middle east… sa ginawa nyang ito para sakin, dapat na syang tanggalin sa DFA..

  50. chi - September 21, 2012 10:52 pm

    #47, perl, that’s a thought to ponder on, election and Enrile has so much to gain (again). Sabit na sabit si Pnoy dito na sinimulan nya ng simple by rerouting the discussion from Camarines Sur to China.

  51. chi - September 21, 2012 10:58 pm

    #49. And note, hindi ipinaalam ni del Rosario kay Pnoy na meron sayang sariling back channel guy, ang giant businessman Pangilinan. Why keep the president in the dark?

    “But Del Rosario also had his own backdoor negotiator. In one meeting with the President in Malacanang, Del Rosario was asked by Aquino who authorized the trip of Manuel V. Pangilinan to China to talk with the China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC) officials.”

  52. manuelbuencamino - September 22, 2012 12:15 am

    #44. Salamat sa iyong tiwala chi.

    At ngayon na ginagawang isyu na ang inchik ang humingi na si trillanes ang maging channel. O eh ano ang masama dun? Di naman didiskarte ng pang sarili si trillanes sa inchik. At kung siya man ay, tulad ng pinalalabas ni JPE, isang ahente ng inchik eh di itatapon lang ng admin ang kanyang mga inputs. Di naman siguro ganun kabobo ang mga tao sa palasyo na hindi nila makikita ang masama para sa bayan and more importantly di naman nawala sa proceso si del rosario at ang dfa. So kung anuman ang sinabi ni trillanes sa palasyo eh dadaan pa rin yan sa DFA secretary bago maglabas ng official position ang administrasyon.
    Bottom line, si trillanes nag privilege speech contra kay JPE at sinabi niya kung ano ang perception niya sa style ni JPE. Embes na sagutin ni JPE si trillanes, ang ginawa niya ay inilipat niya ang usapan sa china. Sino ngayon ang gago?

  53. baycas2 - September 22, 2012 12:38 am

    Anna,

    Mas mainam ang toilet bowl.

  54. chijap - September 22, 2012 12:49 am

    Enrile should have gone quietly at this point in his career when he has “regained honor” by handling the Corona Impeachment case. Sana tumahimik na sya at wag na sya maginggay. He would have made a better legacy.

    But as they say, Tigers can’t change their stripes.

    In Trillianes’ speech, he said that a meeting was held (called for by Enrile) not to discuss the recent SONA but rather to talk about the CamSur bill. That to me is the point of all this.

    Enrile was caught by another man willing to risk things. He thought him being a “savior” (note that Enrile said had it not for him, Trillianes would be rotting in jail) would be enough to hold of Trillianes. But he then realized Trillianes is not the typical politician. So Enrile started digging when he notice the younger senator’s frequent trip to China (note the access by Enrile of Brady’s notes with the DFA must be deep).

    ABS-CBN’s Punto for Punto host Anthony Taberna pointed out that Trillianes’ losing point in this battle is he is fighting a man people have a high regards to since Enrile handled the impeachment well. Also that we Filipinos show respect to elders and that counts a lot.

    Well, Taberna may be very conservative in saying such but i think Trillianes was right to expose this CamSur deal, irregardless if GMA was really a beneficiary or the brains behind it. And even if we have to purge down a “good leader” or an elderly person.

    And the funny thing? It happened at the eve of the anniversary to Martial Law. I think Enrile is now re-remembered as a tiger who still has its stripes.

  55. parasabayan - September 22, 2012 1:06 am

    Yan, nagsalita na Pnoy. So, tumigil ka na Enrile!!!!!This has gotten so into our National Security. Yung hinahawakan ni Enrile na papel eh hindi naman handwritten notes. Mukhang may “bawas, dagdag” na. I would trust Trillianes more than I trust this old man who had benefitted so much during the Marcos regime and along the way had allegiances to all the other leaders who may have given him more power. Tama na Enrile! You should be replaced now as the Senate president kung ganyang binu-bully mo yung nakababatang kapatid mo. Instead of castigating Trillianes, he should just sit down in a private room and have a shouting spree with Trillianes. But what does he do? He is so vindictive! This will boomerang on Enrile. Akala mo santo itong taong ito. He denuded the forests up north during his time and now controls the ports in Cagayan. His political affiliations are not sterling either. He has more “dirty” politicians in his camp. Trillianes on the other hand has so much ahead of him. If Enrile thinks he can twist facts to work against Trillianes, he has to think again.

  56. parasabayan - September 22, 2012 1:06 am

    See, Pnoy may even trust Trillianes more than he trusts this old man!

  57. parasabayan - September 22, 2012 1:54 am

    Paano nakakkunha si Enrile ng notes ni Brady? From the previous thread. Di ba ang asawa ni Enrile eh naging ambassador din, though briefly. Yang mga diplomats eh may “liga” din on their own. They cover for each other. I would not be surprised if del Rosario gave the “secret” documnet to Enrile. Del Rosario was left out of the loop kaya yan, ibinigay yung document kay Enrile. Enrile, if he is really a well versed statesman as well should not have used that papre to put Trillianes down. Humanap na lang sana siya ng ibang dahilan. The Chinese people will be so “turned off” by all these and may clam up again. Enrile has compromised the “little successes” of Trillianes (per Lacierda, although Pnoy says malaki ang naitulong ni Trillianes). Hindi matanggap ni Enrile na ang bagitong senador will give a speech against him and allege that Enrile is maka-GMA.

  58. chi - September 22, 2012 4:18 am

    Tumawa muna tayo. :)

    “Samantala, minaliit naman ng Malacañang ang kasong treason na isinampa ni Atty. Olivera Lozano laban kay Pangulong Aquino kaugnay ng pagpapahintulot nito kay Trillanes upang maging backdoor negotiator sa China”. – Abante-Tonite Online News.

    Parang kidlat kung umapir itong si Lozano, hahaha!

  59. sai - September 22, 2012 4:51 am

    mukhang nahawaan na rin si Enrile ni Sotto. keeps digging deeper the hole he is in.

    okay. so tinanggap ni Enrile ang hamon ni Trillanes na i-release ang tunay na Brady notes. ang problema lang, yung Brady notes may naka-stamp na klarong-klaro na “SECRET”.

    sabi ni Enrile wala daw ito. hindi daw ito maituturing na state secrets. a few were in “blue paper” pero yung huli na ipinakita was in a “red paper”. lahat yun may nakatatak na SECRET.

    baka si Enrile and whoever handed him those documents ang dapat makasuhan ng treason. lol

  60. Rudolfo - September 22, 2012 4:59 am

    I think, Back Channeling is just similar to a ” Counter Intelligence Work “, which is normally existing in an organization, just likened to ISAP or ?..nagka-sugatan o saringan lang ng mga Ego or pride sila, kaya nagkaganoon..Division ng Camarines Sur ang unang topic, then, biglang nag-kambyo sa usaping China ?..para duruin or ipahiya si Sonny Trillanes. Malapit na kasing 2013 eleksyon, may kinalaman kaya ito ?..dapat, malaman ng nakararami, “Itinataas ng DIYOS, ang Ina-api”..Sino ba ang Ina-api sa isyo na Ito ?..and, the end sya ang magiging Bayani !…isang analysis at pananaw….mahalaga sa eksina na ito, o dapat lumitaw, ay tunay na “Leadership Values “…Sino sa kanila ang mayroon nito, mula ki Pang. PNOy, at pababa, sa batang Senador ?…

  61. perl - September 22, 2012 5:04 am

    who are you? who do you think you are? yan ang mga salitang palaging binibitiwan ni enrile sa mga senador kapag may pumapalag sa kanya.. napaka bully, kala mo hindi marunong magkamali… galing manakot.

  62. perl - September 22, 2012 5:13 am

    #58, yan din ang tanong ko… pano napunta kay Enrile yung notes ni Brady? dapat hawak yan ni Del Rosario at ibinigay sa Malacanan. Si PNoy dapat ang gumawa ng action kung may treason o pagkakamali man na ginawa si trillanes dahil may basbas sya nito. si Brady ba mismo, si Del Rosario o kung sino mang hudas sa malacanan ang nagbigay nyan kay Enrile, ang puntirya nyan.. sirain ang gobyerno ni PNoy… hindi simpleng away Enrile-Trillanes to. Sipain na yan si Enrile…

  63. parasabayan - September 22, 2012 6:05 am

    Parang asong uolo ang dating ni Enrile sa akin…sorry.

  64. parasabayan - September 22, 2012 6:18 am

    Sorry. Asong ulol!

  65. Joe America - September 22, 2012 6:21 am

    You will have to excuse me, but I read 64 comments just about all of which deal with Filipinos condemning Filipinos, when the essence of the problem is caused by the Chinese who say one thing and do another because they have this hyper-sensitive sense of “face” that does not permit straightforward dialogue. Or honorable acts.

    Filipinos should back their representatives in foreign engagements, not undermine them.

  66. chi - September 22, 2012 6:22 am

    #60. sai, ganun ba? kaya pala hindi nagbigay ng copies si Enrile sa kausap nya kahit anupa dare ni Trillanes dahil korek ka makakasuhan sya kung ipamudmod nya ang “secret”. Hmmmn, na nagkahawahan na sila ng tuta Sotto ng kaangahan.

  67. chi - September 22, 2012 6:25 am

    psb, perl, sino ba naapakan at nasaktan ni Trillanes sa DFA? Palagay ko hindi nanggaling ang secret Brady notes kay Mrs. Brady mismo kundi dun sa kanyang binigyan ng notes sa itaas.

  68. chi - September 22, 2012 6:30 am

    Kung hindi kay del Rosario mismo ay galing sa saan pa kundi nga sa Malacanang na punong-puno ng mga aso ni Gloria. Yep, ang konek mo dapat pag-aralang anggulo nina Pnoy.

  69. baycas2 - September 22, 2012 7:13 am

    @chi,

    Over at Raissa Robles’ blog, here is a comment…

    101.2
    Johnny Lin says:
    September 22, 2012 at 1:52 am

    Enrile is playing poker with Palace, weak cards bluffing his way for Palace to denounce Trillanes at the same time warning them that he might be in possession of sensitive documents related to confidential government negotiations with China.

    How did Ambassador Brady get confirmed so fast in CA? Triumvirate angle to be examined, Enrile, GMA, Brady!

    Brady was China ambassador under GMA. She had a stroke forcing her to quit. Domingo Lee remained unconfirmed by CA in which Enrile has strong influence. Group of Samar with known alliance to Binay who has known alliance to Enrile who in turn has known debt of gratitude to GMA recommended Brady to PNoy. Who in Aquino circle has strong attachment to Samar group? Little president has known alliance with VP.

    1. How would GMA benefit from Brady appointment? Secretly negotiate with China to put pressure on investors and officials involved with North Rail, ZTE-NBN to refrain from testifying against GMA.

    2. How did Enrile get hold of sensitive documents from China? Is it farfetched to think that conduit passed thru GMA to Enrile from Brady? Enrile is known dealing with tactics primarilyhis fake ambushupon martial law declaration. A crook will always be a crook and a crook despises his fellow crook are known true adages of evil men.

    The common denominator in both questions is Ambassador Brady. She suffered another CVA a month ago. Most common causal relationship of CVA occurence is extreme stress.

    Brady was getting pressured from both sides. She was forewarned by her friends to decline her nomination due to her health and age. She declined for easons of her own. Could payment for debt of gratitude be one? Her friends were right!

    Why did Aquino succumb to the advice to appoint Brady? Who pressured him?

    The answer is the appointment of Roxas as special envoy without consulting the group who pressured him to appoint Brady.

  70. chi - September 22, 2012 7:55 am

    Omg, bay… that is very revealing! Yeah, this post makes a lot of sense. Thanks very much for posting it here.

  71. acibig - September 22, 2012 12:35 pm

    the pinoys voted for enrile and trillanes right? so you deserve them, how on earth that you voted for an official of martial law , a leader of coup , in a country inhabited by 40 million plus pinoys , rewarding law breakers by voting them , that only happens in the philippines

  72. dan1067 - September 22, 2012 1:38 pm

    Pkiramdam ni JPE untouchable siya at hawak pa niya ang military until now like during martial law era but Trillanes has the big balls & ready to counter him in any manner. Between JPE & the young senator; sino ba ang nagtraydor sa kanyang superior at sa bayan? Sino ba ang nagpalipat-lipat ng panig sa kung sino ang naka-upo?
    Anyway sa column ni Ducky Paredes, MVP has something to say..
    http://www.abante.com.ph/issue/sep2212/op_hp.htm

  73. rabbit - September 22, 2012 4:28 pm

    i wont be surprise that one day there would be a word war between enrile and pnoy
    enrile think that being the senate president he can bully anybody that dont like his way of thinking..bad enough he is in the senate tapus senate president pa

  74. rabbit - September 22, 2012 4:30 pm

    does anybody have a utang na loob kay pandak??
    san nag umpisa un fort irene where imported surplass car came in,,the legal way daw

  75. saxnviolins - September 22, 2012 8:20 pm

    # 73

    Sabi rin ni Ducky Paredes ang gerrymandering daw is for Dato Arroyo.

    As for Trillanes, a side effect of this created province is the fact that Gloria Arroyo’s son, Dato, who would no longer be able to win his seat in Congress representing the province since the former congressman who served as budget secretary to his mother would be running for his old seat, which Dato occupied while Andaya was in the cabinet of Dato’s mother.

    If the Nueva Camarines law does not pass, Dato will no longer be in Congress.

    http://www.malaya.com.ph/index.php/opinion/13617-gerrymandering-in-the-worst-way

    A little fact checking shows the error of this article.

    Dato is the rep of the second district of Camarines Sur.

    http://www.congress.gov.ph/members/search.php?congress=15&id=arroyo-d

    Rolando Andaya Jr is the incumbent of the First District of Camarines Sur, and has always run in the First District.

    http://en.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Rolando_Andaya%2C_Jr.

    So Dato need not step aside for Andaya, because Andaya is not interested in Dato’s second district.

    The bill declares the existing Fourth District as a new province with two legislative districts. Clearly, it does not affect (neither benefit nor disbenefit) Dato at all.

    There may be pros and cons to the new province (I don’t see any benefit to the Bicolanos in creating the new province), but it is not being done for Dato or Goyang.

    There is much to hate in Enrile (martial law and all that), for those against him, without enlisting the boogaboo of Goyang.

    In any case, kung contra talaga ang Pangulo, it could have been stopped at the House, since he holds the majority. Pabor din ba siya? O contra? Why not ask him? He is the loquacious type anyway.

    Does he want Robredo’s province cut up?

    Simple lang naman ang solution, kung talagang contra. The President also has the numbers in the Senate, as shown by the Corona impeachment. So put it to a vote and deny it.

    Or do they prefer to dribble it?

    If they vote in favor, they incur the ire of the people against the bill. If they deny, they incur the ire of the political lords who want the province split. So sit on it, so you anger no one.

    Magkita-kits na lang after May 2013.

  76. saxnviolins - September 22, 2012 10:43 pm

    Kanina pa awaiting moderation ito. Tanggalin ko nga ang mga w.

    # 73

    Sabi rin ni Ducky Paredes ang gerrymandering daw is for Dato Arroyo.

    As for Trillanes, a side effect of this created province is the fact that Gloria Arroyo’s son, Dato, who would no longer be able to win his seat in Congress representing the province since the former congressman who served as budget secretary to his mother would be running for his old seat, which Dato occupied while Andaya was in the cabinet of Dato’s mother.

    If the Nueva Camarines law does not pass, Dato will no longer be in Congress.

    malaya.com.ph/index.php/opinion/13617-gerrymandering-in-the-worst-way

    A little fact checking shows the error of this article.

    Dato is the rep of the second district of Camarines Sur.

    congress.gov.ph/members/search.php?congress=15&id=arroyo-d

    Rolando Andaya Jr is the incumbent of the First District of Camarines Sur, and has always run in the First District.

    en.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Rolando_Andaya%2C_Jr.

    So Dato need not step aside for Andaya, because Andaya is not interested in Dato’s second district.

    The bill declares the existing Fourth District as a new province with two legislative districts. Clearly, it does not affect (neither benefit nor disbenefit) Dato at all.

    There may be pros and cons to the new province (I don’t see any benefit to the Bicolanos in creating the new province), but it is not being done for Dato or Goyang.

    There is much to hate in Enrile (martial law and all that), for those against him, without enlisting the boogaboo of Goyang.

    In any case, kung contra talaga ang Pangulo, it could have been stopped at the House, since he holds the majority. Pabor din ba siya? O contra? Why not ask him? He is the loquacious type anyway.

    Does he want Robredo’s province cut up?

    Simple lang naman ang solution, kung talagang contra. The President also has the numbers in the Senate, as shown by the Corona impeachment. So put it to a vote and deny it.

    Or do they prefer to dribble it?

    If they vote in favor, they incur the ire of the people against the bill. If they deny, they incur the ire of the political lords who want the province split. So sit on it, so you anger no one.

    Magkita-kits na lang after May 2013.

  77. saxnviolins - September 22, 2012 10:47 pm

    Here is some reporting on the alleged railroading at the caucus.

    The senator, a former ally of Trillanes, recounted what happened in the caucus in August that made Trillanes angry with Enrile.

    He said Trillanes arrived late and saw Enrile with Camarines Sur Rep. Luis Villafuerte, a known lobbyist for the bill that would create Nueva Camarines province.

    The sight of Enrile and Villafuerte must have made Trillanes think that the Senate President called the caucus for a discussion of the bill. He was wrong, the senator said. The meeting was about the upcoming deliberations on the national budget, the senator said.

    Trillanes then told the group that he was opposed to the Camarines Sur bill, to which Enrile replied, “OK, Sonny.”

    Sen. Franklin Drilon, chair of the finance committee, proceeded to discuss how the bill could fit into the legislative calendar.

    “Sonny was angry because he thought that Enrile was brushing him aside,” the senator said. “He thought that we would discuss his opposition to the bill. But that was not the subject of the caucus. It was enough that the Senate President acknowledged it,” said the senator, who was at the caucus.

    newsinfo.inquirer.net/275212/reelectionist-trillanes-may-lose-lp-senate-slot

    Sino kaya yang former ally of Trillanes?

  78. Mike - September 22, 2012 10:55 pm

    #72

    Only in the Philippines that a known lasengo and babaero became president, a comedian who loves to copy paste his speeches as senator, a compulsive liar with neck brace as president, and the list goes on. Can’t blame MV Pangilinan who said in an interview after being dragged by coup plotter senator into the China mess.

    “Kung ako lang I’d go back to Hong Kong… ang gulo-gulo nyo.” – MVP

    BTW, PH population as of last approximate count is 90 plus million. :)

  79. Mike - September 22, 2012 10:58 pm

    #77

    Thats what we get with someone who loves to use his BIG balls rather than his brain. Pathetic.

  80. Al - September 22, 2012 11:55 pm

    #77. Could it be Sotto or Honasan?

  81. xman - September 23, 2012 1:43 am

    Maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ang paliwanag ni Atty. Sax na walang benefits ang mga Arroyo na hatiin ang probinsya (Camarines Sur). Ganoon din ang paliwanag ni Sen. Enrile at iba pang mga hindi yellow columnist na walang benefits ang mga Arroyo doon. At saka kahit maaprobahan yong bill na yon ay hindi automatic na hahatiin ang probinsya. Magkakaroon pa sila ng plebiscite, boboto ang mga taga probinsya kung payag sila o hindi na hatiin.

    Ang tanong ay bakit tinira ni Trillanes sa privileged speech nya si Enrile samantalang wala namang benefits ang mga Arroyo sa paghati ng probinsya?

  82. xman - September 23, 2012 2:06 am

    Inembita ni Pnoy si Enrile sa isang cabinet meeting. Nandoon si Trillanes na katabi si Enrile. Doon lamang nalaman ni Enrile na may secret meeting pala si Trillanes sa Chinese government.

    Lumipas ang mga ilang araw at na publish sa Philippine Daily Inquirer tungkol sa secret meeting ni Trillanes sa China. Ang akala ni Enrile kaya agad agad na nag privileged speech si Trillanes ay para dependehan nya ang sarile nya tungkol sa report ng PDI. Kaya dala ni Enrile ang mga notes ni Amb. Brady para tanungin siya tungkol sa secret meeting. Aba e, tinira nya si Enrile imbes na ipaliwanag yong secret meeting.

    Sa madaling salita, diversion lang o smokescreen lang ang ginawa ni Trillanes para hindi sya ang maging 100% usap usapan ng bayan. Pero hindi naman mga tanga ang mga Pilipino at mas madaling malaman ang totoo dahil nasa internet age na tayo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIw9bRcOCaI&feature=player_embedded

  83. joeseg - September 23, 2012 4:56 am

    Matapos nating mabasa at marinig ang bawat panig dito sa pinaguusapan at sensitibong isyu tungkol sa China, ang pinaka mabuti at kailangang hakbang para sa kapakanan ng bansang Pilipinas, ang gobyerno ay dapat magkaroon ng isang tinig, ONE VOICE..

  84. perl - September 23, 2012 8:40 am

    #70, so malinaw na kung bakit si Domingo Lee ang gusto ni PNoy na ilagay sa China.. dahil siguro mas importante sa kanya ang pinagkakatiwalaan. Magaling at experienced nga sa foreign relations… isasabit ka naman sa bandang huli…

  85. perl - September 23, 2012 8:48 am

    #77, malamang connected pa din sa 2013 election yan… gustong ibagsak si trillanes o sirain ang pinaguusapang LP-NP coalitions, ginagamit nila ang china issue..

  86. duane - September 23, 2012 4:47 pm

    kung walang benepisyo ang mga arroyo bakit tumawag si gloria kay enrile ukol dito?

  87. pranning - September 23, 2012 6:06 pm

    23 September 2012

    Please find the statement of Sen Trillanes which I find very disturbing:

    - “Hindi ko (trillanes) responsibilidad ‘yan (It’s not my responsibility to talk to Del Rosario). Ina-assume ko isa lang ang presidente na pinagsisilbihan natin,” he said in an interview on dzBB radio, when asked if he coordinated with Del Rosario.

    Trillanes said he merely assumed someone else informed Del Rosario about it, and there should be no problem in that regard.

    - Asked if he (trillanes) was not instructed to personally coordinate with del Rosario, he replied:

    “Bakit ako mag-coordinate sa kanya. Hindi tayo under sa kanya. Buti sana kung functionary [ako] of the executive branch pwede siguro. Pero iba naman ang ating mission at I assume ginawa na ‘yan, may gumawa noon,” he said.”

    My take on this is, if you were instructed to do back channeling, you don’t assume that anyone or anybody for that matter will inform the Cabinet involved and in this case it is the Sec. del Rosario.

    He also said that he is not an Executive Department functionary, Yes, if he is doing his legislative duties, however, if he was “personally instructed” by the President to back chanelling, then it is and will always be a “FUNCTION of the Executive Department”.

    If he is not a moron (forgive me), he is only making a mockery of the the Philippine Foreign Service, which is supposedly be the one in charge of negotiating with another country.

    So young, yet so inutile of the word “COURTESY”.

    Prans

    prans

  88. Lurker - September 23, 2012 7:52 pm

    But still, between Trillanes and Enrile, I still trust Trillanes.

  89. chi - September 23, 2012 9:32 pm

    #87. prans, it was Pnoy who should inform of Trillanes’ role as his back channel negotiator. We don’t know if Pnoy himself decided to make it a secret as he said that during that time all formal channels were off, already shut down by the Chinese, so they needed an informal channel to do an specific task of easing the tension.

    Trillanes is speak blunt and frank but that does not mean he is a bad person or traitor.

    Again back channeling is normal in sensitive cases of national interest, but the buck stops with the President, not with the messenger.

    The Palace already acknowledged that they should have speak with one voice. Ibig lang sabihin nyan, meron mali sa Palasyo mismo.

  90. chi - September 23, 2012 9:33 pm

    oopps… Trillanes is known to speak…

  91. chi - September 23, 2012 9:35 pm

    Pnoy should be the one to inform DFA of Trillanes’ role, if he wanted to.

  92. chi - September 23, 2012 9:49 pm

    Ay sus… daming mali kagigising. “should have spoken with one voice”.

    Let’s just wait kung ilalaglag na ni Pnoy si Trillanes from his list of senatoriables due to lack of COURTESY.

  93. Mike - September 23, 2012 10:58 pm

    #92

    I doubt kung ilalaglag ni PNoy yan, But if the decision will be coming from LP party, I mean kung ipapaubaya ni PNoy sa partido, malamang laglag yan.
    Syempre the party will still assess first kung he will be a liability to the party, if not kasali pa malamang sa slate si Trillanes.

  94. Mike - September 23, 2012 11:01 pm

    It won’t be because of “courtesy” issues, but more of surviving the election. Take note the “utang na loob” syndrome of politicos which the LP are not short of. If Trillanes can do that to a martial law implementor turned hero in the Corona impeachment trial, iisipin nila na pwede din gawin sa kanila yun.

  95. chi - September 23, 2012 11:57 pm

    Mike, when I mentioned courtesy it was just to lighten up prans. Trillanes speaks up his own mind at walang tinatago which cuts both ways. It goes against Pnoy culture of utang na loob or amen ng amen sa nakatatanda kahit may mali. It also provides answers to some issues na itinatanong ng publiko na hindi makakuha ng sagot from the highest authorities.

    Anyway, mas tingin ko dyan ang laglagan blues ay between LP and NP coalition. Kung ilalaglag ng NP muna si Trillanes tiyak na ilalaglag ng LP. Kung ayaw ng NP at demand ng LP wala ng coalition. Usapan yan between the two parties kung sasabihin ni Pnoy sa kanila na bahalan na kayong mag-usap. Kung OK lang si Pnoy na walang laglagan, sya ang masusunod presidente sya.

  96. chi - September 23, 2012 11:58 pm

    pinoy culture…

  97. chi - September 24, 2012 12:27 am

    There are no permanent enemies in politics. The only field where anything is possible, naglulunukan sila samantalang ang publiko naiiwang nakanganga.

  98. Mike - September 24, 2012 12:29 am

    #97

    Chi, since alam na nating dalawa ang style nilang bulok, di tayo mapanganga sa kalokohan nila. Hehehe :P

  99. chi - September 24, 2012 12:57 am

    A, Mike… pagdating sa pulitika at showbiz hindi ako fanatic na nganganga sa kanila. Madali akong magbago ng isip based on reason and common sense, wala akong loyalty, hehehe.

  100. chi - September 24, 2012 12:58 am

    Palace factions rear ugly head in Enrile-Trillanes tiff, say solons
    By Gil C. Cabacungan Jr.

    http://www.inquirer.net

  101. arvin - September 24, 2012 8:50 am

    Puwede po ba magtanong. Bakit po pinirmahan ng ating Pangulo ang cyber crime law na mayroon doon patungkol sa libel. Hindi po ba kaya gusto mapatalsik si Marcos na malaki ang tulong ng magulang niya na sina Cory at Ninoy ay para din magkaroon ng freedom ang mga pilipino. Lalo na ang freedom of expression. Sa ginawa niya pong pag pirma sa batas na iyon ay parang wala na ring saysay ang freedom of expression. May nabasa ako sa diaryo na baka daw si Pnoy ay may taga basa na lang ng batas na ipapasa at hindi binabasa.

  102. Rudolfo - September 24, 2012 10:23 am

    Oo nga bakit ba ?…pumirma ??., baka na abisuhan ng mga kkk, lalo na ang pinaka-malapit sa kanya, ?..who knows?…Dami kasing tumuligsa sa kaibigan nya , recently, during JR’s-Robredo incident !…umi-iwas siguro sa mga negative expression, which is healthy and medicine of transformation?…lalo na dito sa bagong “umo-usok na Back Channeling Issue ” na kina-sangkutan ni AT4, at hina-halungkat naman ni JPE ?..At ganoon din sa RH-Bill na may plagiarism daw !..”Martial Law against freedom of expression” ???..

  103. g0mz - September 24, 2012 10:32 am

    para kay xman n nag describe ng tunay DAW n katauhan ni sir sonny..xman,Pilipino k ba??bkit mo kailangang sirain ang pagkatao ng taong walang hinangad kundi ang maglingkod ng tapat s bayan..alalahanin mo n sinakripisyo nla ang knilang pamilya at career s military para lamang maibunyag ang mga katiwalian at kabulukan s gobyerno at npatunayan ntin yan nung magkaroon ng maguindanao massacre.kung ang pag iisip mo ay taliwas s katuwiran,bka ikaw xman ang made in china,baka ikaw ang peke at ikaw ay UTAK TALANGKA!!!maraming salamat sa iyo ma’am ellen tordesillas.

  104. arvin - September 24, 2012 10:43 am

    Kung buhay lang sina Cory at Ninoy palagay ko hindi matutuwa na sa ginawa ni Noynoy na pirmahan ang bill na iyan na mayroon libel. Kasi parang wala ng saysay ang pinaglaban nila sa panahon ni Marcos na magkaroon ng freedom of expression.

  105. Ellen - September 24, 2012 2:41 pm

    Press statement from the office of Sen> Trillanes:

    Trillanes: Enrile blundered in so-called Brady notes

    Senator Antonio “Sonny” F. Trillanes yesterday claimed that Senator Juan Ponce Enrile made monumental blunders in exposing the so-called Brady Notes.

    “First, JPE wrongly assumed that Ambassador Sonia Brady purportedly took those notes down while I was meeting with the Chinese officials. For the record, she was never present in any of the backchannel talks conducted. Besides, the first and only official meeting I had with Ambassador Brady in Beijing was held on August 17, 2012, at the Philippine Embassy. I arranged for that meeting, specifically, to brief her about the background and status of the backchannel talks since she just reported at the embassy sometime in early August. During our private meeting, we were only accompanied by Philippine Consul Evangeline Ong Jimenez-Ducrocq and a member of my staff, but, definitely, there were no Chinese officials present. The media could easily ask Consul Jimenez-Ducrocq to confirm this. So, if those Brady Notes indeed exist, this is where she or Consul Jimenez-Ducrocq probably wrote it. Now, I absolutely don’t see anything wrong about conducting a briefing and coordinating with Amb. Brady,” Trillanes said.

    “Second, JPE brazenly exposed state secrets just to spite me and it eventually blew up on his face. Lastly, he unwittingly pointed to the DFA as the only possible source of those classified documents,” Trillanes added.

    The said controversial Brady Notes were read by Enrile during his interpellation of Trillanes last Wednesday, after the latter, in a privilege speech, exposed him for allegedly railroading the division of the Camarines Sur province into two.#

  106. Ellen - September 24, 2012 2:54 pm

    The Senate mafia (Enrile, Sotto, Estrada, Honasan) at work!

    Trillanes: Estrada, Sotto talked to me

    By Cathy Yamsua,Inquirer

    Senator Antonio Trillanes IV on Sunday dragged two more Senate leaders into his feud with Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile in an apparent attempt to prove the intense pressure to get him to agree to the bill dividing Camarines Sur (CamSur) into two provinces.

    Trillanes said Senate President Pro Tempore Jose “Jinggoy” Estrada and Majority Leader Vicente “Tito” Sotto III called him separately on Monday last week when local government committee chairman Ferdinand Marcos Jr. delivered his sponsorship speech on the measure.

    Trillanes said Estrada and Sotto had called him “so I would withdraw my reservation to interpellate (Marcos) so they could go ahead and approve it.”

    Under Senate rules, any senator can interpellate the head of the committee that held public hearings on a bill.

    Marcos proposed to take away the fourth district of Camarines Sur and turn it into a new province to be called Nueva Camarines. Trillanes claimed the move was meant to accommodate two third-term congressmen—Luis Villafuerte and Arnulfo Fuentebella—who needed new local positions to run for in 2013 once their terms expired.

    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/276168/trillanes-estrada-sotto-talked-to-me

  107. xman - September 24, 2012 4:09 pm

    Kahit ano pa ang gawin na pagtatangol ng yellow corporate media at yellow columnist kay Trillanes ay wala ng epek yan tungkol kay Arroyo, Villafuerte, at sino sino pang gusto nyang isali sa smokescreen nya.

    Exposed na si Trillanes sa buong bayan na isa syang traitor.

    Wala ng pag asang manalo yan uli bilang senator o congressman. Puwede pa siyang tumakbo bilang barangay chairman baka manalo pa sya doon….lol.

  108. xman - September 24, 2012 4:59 pm

    Who would you trust?

    Trillanes, a certified coward-traitor vs. Ambassador Brady, a career diplomat for four decades on Asian affairs

  109. saxnviolins - September 24, 2012 7:08 pm

    Like I said in an earlier thread, there is a difference between wanting to put out the bill for discussion, and wanting it approved. It seems, Sotto and Enrile just wanted it out, bahala na kayong bumoto, yes or no.

    Here is Tito Sotto in the Kapihan sa Senado, three weeks before this hoo hah.

    We’re talking here of members of the House of Representatives who are eagerly pushing for it and awaiting the Senate’s approval of the bill. The Senate Rules, the democratic process, the Senate process of allowing the committee to do its job and to do its work. We cannot impose pero gusto naming madali na rin, mapag-usapan sa Floor ito. Kung ayaw natin, i-reject natin. Ganun ang gusto namin ni Senate President pero hindi namin masabi. Hindi naming magawa. Hindi naming ma-pwersa ang aming mga kasama na gawin ‘yun kasi ang mga committee chairmen, mayroon silang sariling liberty to run their committees how they like them to be run. Ipit kami. Mga opisyal pa naman kami.

    senate.gov.ph/press_release/2012/0830_prib1.asp

    August 30, 2012

    Sotto was speaking of two committees, the Local Gov Committee of Marcos (primary committee) and the Committee on Rules (Secondary). Nauna na ang Committee on Rules, endorsing approval, as stated here:

    voxbikol.com/article/senate-committee-passes-bill-split-camarines-sur

    The bill was endorsed by the secondary committee, ahead of Marcos’ committee, with the following voting for endorsement.

    Senators Miriam Defensor-Santiago, Edgardo Angara, Franklin Drilon, Francis Pangilinan, Manuel Lapid, Senate Presidente Pro Tempore Jinggoy Estrada and Majority Leader Vicente Sotto III.

    Endorsement just means, sige, pag-usapan natin sa floor. That does not mean approval, or a yes to the bill. Ibig sabihin lang, they will send the House bill to the floor, unchanged.

    Note. Noy boys Drilon and Kiko were also endorsing discussion on the floor (plenary/ whole senate).

    In the case of Marcos, his committee had a different version of the bill. The House bill wanted the new province to be carved out of the Fourth and Fifth districts of Cam Sur. Marcos changed that to only the Fourth District.

    At the second reading on the floor, the two bills will be merged (House version and Marcos version), to come up with a final draft. There will be a sponsorship speech (Marcos gave it the morning of the Enrile v Trillanes word war). And then there will be interpellations of Marcos, by Trillanes, and whoever.

    After the sponsorship speech, there will be a turno en contra (the contrarian’s turn, literally), with a sponsorship speech against, and interpellations of the speech maker against.

    After the speeches and interpellations, there will be amendments. After the amendments, the final version will be submitted for the Third Reading, where there will be the yes or no votes.

    From the looks of it, even without the word war, the bill would not have made it before the closing of filing certificates for candidacy. Trillanes and Joker could have dragged the interpellations longer, a la RH bill. They can even filibuster.

    Note also, that the bill was passed in the House on a 229 versus 1 vote. So it seems, the Noy boys were in agreement at the lower house. So this isn’t strictly a Goyang affair, especially since neither the House bill nor the Marcos version affects Dato’s Second Disrict or the First District of Rolando Andaya, for whom, Ducky Paredes said, Dato was stepping aside.

  110. saxnviolins - September 24, 2012 7:41 pm

    # 106

    Gringo? Working for a yes vote? I am reading conflicting opinions.

    This guy seems to imply that Gringo is for a no.

    Furthermore, during the Senate committee hearings Bicolano Senators Antonio Trillanes and Gringo Honasan raised the issue concerning the huge reduction of Internal Revenue Allotment (IRA) for Camarines Sur which will definitely affect the delivery of basic services and the operation of the provincial government.

    bicolmail.com/2012/?p=2806

    by columnist Joey Co.

    This news item shows that Honasan was trying to weigh the evidence presented by the pros and cons.

    Senator Honasan, later said, the speakers presented conflicting data and statistics coming from various government sources, each trying to validate their presentations.

    The news item also said “The Senate panel also included Senators Manny Villar and Gringo Honasan, while Senators Tony Trillanes and Joker Arroyo were absent.” (Marcos was chairing).

    bicoltoday.com/?p=6327

    Where was Trillanes? Back channeling?

    And in the Senate hearings, Gringo again was with Trillanes.

    Senators Antonio Trillanes and Gringo Honasan, on the other hand, raised the issue of reduced Internal Revenue Allotment among the provinces with the creation of Nueva Camarines.

    bongbongm.com/2012/06/senate-deliberates-nueva-camarines-bill/

  111. saxnviolins - September 24, 2012 11:19 pm

    Pro Goyang ba?

    Trillanes’ co-oppositor Joker says no.

    Sen. Joker Arroyo, who hails from Naga City, had opposed the measure, saying dividing Camarines Sur would benefit only the people of the province’s fourth district which is under the jurisdiction of Rep. Arnulfo Fuentebella who is on his last term.

  112. saxnviolins - September 24, 2012 11:20 pm

    Sorry. Hango yan sa Manila Bulletin report before the word war (September 13).

    mb.com.ph/articles/373426/measure-to-split-camsur-gains-in-senate

  113. Rudolfo - September 25, 2012 2:55 am

    Isang pananaw, at iba pa, maraming tamang “puntos” si AT4, kaysa sa matanda ng JPE..He is just using his “common sense” and command responsibility,tungkol sa Issue na “Back Channeling”..Iyan naman ay katulad sa isang “counter Intelligence operation”, with a certain goal or objective, na alam naman ni Pang. PNoy..Nang matapos na at successful ang operasyon, saka naman, nag-nga-nga-wa ang mga nasa kabilang panig. KASI, naisahan sila ng batang Senador, napitik ang ilong nila..Noong, nasa proseso pa lamang ang back channeling, bakit di sila nag-reklamo agad-agad, na mayroong mali sa back door operation.. Many surely knew, they must have been aware,.. kasi, nasa poder sila ?..15x na palang di sumisipot si AT4 sa Senado, dapat noon pa, nag usisa na sila kung bakit ?…Talagang, ugaling Pnoy, nndyan palagi….pababayaan ka munang madapa at masugatan, pagkatapos, kunwari, babawi sila, para lumabas na mas Bayani sila… hunyango nga ang kaugaliang minana pa noong panahon, di na nabago…A penny worth of comment and analysis for a change…Mayroong land grabbing,iba pa…, mayroon ding “honor-accomplishment grabbing “..tsktsk..

  114. parasabayan - September 25, 2012 6:50 am

    Hayan, pati si Brenda sinasabi niyang hindi tama yung dinala ni JPE yung “SECRET” document ni Brady sa media. Oo nga naman, and mga diplomatic documents ay palaging “secret”. Hindi pwedeng maging diplomat ang mga tsismoso at tsismosa. Dapat alam ni Enrile yan.

  115. baycas2 - September 25, 2012 7:11 am

    Present guv:

    Akin ang “wakeboarding” at “Survivor”.

    Future guvs:

    Akin ang “wakeboarding”, sa ‘yo ang “Survivor”. Hati tayo.

    Ayos!

  116. Rudolfo - September 25, 2012 11:38 am

    Ayan,habang tumatagal,ang issue na ” Back Channeling” or back door operation para, kumal-ma ang China, sa kanilang pang-aagaw ng di kanilang teritoryo. Dahil kina “Pnoy–Trillanes tandem, project” (( Sagip Operation ng Panatag-Scarborough, siguro)),lumilinaw na kung sino nga ang “Traidor” o “makapili” ng bayan ?….Si Brenda yata, nakikita na ang malinaw na lohika y Logic,…Na-ninisi na sya…or blaming why the “Secret issue” was exploded publicly…This is a common sense scenario, as public official, they should know what is Secret, that can damage the image of the nation, or not !…Mahirap talaga ang nagkaka-idad na, akala, tama pang lahat ang mga gina-gawa….kaysa, sa sariwang ka-isipan na galing sa kabataan….grabee, ayaw pang mag-give way sa mga kabataan, ey di naman aabutin sya ng another 15-years yata….baka gustong extend sa kalangitan ang senado ?..a comment for change..

  117. dan1067 - September 25, 2012 12:20 pm

    Chi absent yata si tongue! Mahirap talaga espelingen ang mga pulitiko. May mga katanungan sa isip ko na hindi ko mahanapan ng kasagutan. Sa usaping JPE vs. Trillanes may katanungan sa isip ko na nasaling lang ang pride ni JPE kaya siya nagbulgar o sabotahe sa administrasyon ni pnoy. Ang ibig bang sabihin na kesyo matanda ka nang pulitiko ikaw na ang tama at mas magaling? Sa usapin ng national secuity na pinangangalandakan ni JPE, nasaan ba siya sa panahon ng asasinasyon ni Ninoy bakit hindi niya na prevent ang masamang plano? Ako’y nagtatanong lang gusto kong makakuha ng kasagutan sa aking mga ka bloggers at sa iyo ellen, salamat…

  118. dan1067 - September 25, 2012 2:00 pm

    Anyway makisagap tayo kay Ducky paredes…

    http://www.abante.com.ph/issue/sep2512/op_hp.htm

  119. Rudolfo - September 25, 2012 3:30 pm

    # 104, para kang si pambansang kamao,MP,kung humataw, baka, pagbangon nya sa TKO, mata-uhan yang bina-natan mo..# 115, okay ka din, mabuti nakita mong “focus” ni Brenda, at #119, tamang-taman si Ducky Paredes…Dahil sa tulong ng mga komentaryo ninyo, lumilinaw ang issue na “Back Door Operation “..Maraming salamat !.GOD Bless the Philippines, and the PNoy Admin…

  120. TonGuE-tWisTeD - September 25, 2012 6:35 pm

    Naku, dan1067. Nandito lang ako sa tabi-tabi, sinusubukang paganahin ang kinakalawang na utak at memorya. Meron akong nabolang bagong kliyente na nagpapadesign ng isang state of the art factory na itatayo sa 6 ektaryang lupa iyang nabili saan pa, e di sa China. Ang problema, yung state of the art ko was hot a decade ago, hehe. Naghire muna ako ng researchers para mag-update kaya eto, pasyal-pasyal muna sa Ellenville. Yung Facebook ko nga di ko naa-update.

    Kaya nga pala ako di nagco-comment dahil “Comments are Closed” ilang araw na pero merong mga oras at date na may nagco-comment na iba. Ano kaya kasalanan ko kay Ellen?

  121. TonGuE-tWisTeD - September 25, 2012 6:36 pm

    Ayun! Lumusot din! Hindi na ako banned.

  122. saxnviolins - September 25, 2012 6:56 pm

    # 119

    Pilit pa rin ang kasinungalingan ni Paredes. Nanghiram lang daw ng distrito si Dato kay Rolando Andaya.

    Dato is in the Second District, Andaya in the First. They will seek reelection in those respective districts, so they do not affect each other. The bill will make a new province out of the Fourth and Fifth Districts (House version), or the Fourth District (Marcos) version. There is no effect on either Dato or Andaya.

    There is much to hate in Enrile, for those against him (martial law and all that). You do not need to connect him to Goyang to score.

  123. saxnviolins - September 25, 2012 7:29 pm

    Ang paghati ng First and Second District ay tinaguriang unconstitutional dahil kulang sa elemento ayon sa Saligang Batas (tila bilang na tao, at income ang sabi ng iba noon). Ngunit ito’y inayunan ng Kataas-Taasang Hukuman na maka-Goyang.

    If the President is really against it, and he wants to use his political muscle, simple lang. Do a reverse gerrymandering.

    File a bill reuniting the First and Second District.

    Goodbye Dato.

  124. dan1067 - September 26, 2012 12:11 pm

    re #121
    Na-encounter ko din twice yong hindi ma post ang comment ko. I remember ellen informed us that her blog has been hacked sometime ago. I believe she has the explanation on what happened for that matter…

  125. dan1067 - September 26, 2012 12:19 pm

    re #123
    snv, I think Ducky must do some research! thanks!

  126. duane - September 26, 2012 11:16 pm

    Tama naman si Ducky Paredes, nanghiram lang talaga ng distrito si Dato Arroyo nung 2007, nang nasa DBM pa si Andaya.

    Nang tatakbo na uli si Andaya sa 2010 at nagbitiw sa DBM, gumawa ng bagong distrito para ma-accommodate si Dato at ito ang 2nd District ng CamSur, at makabalik si Andaya sa 1st District bilang congresista.

  127. saxnviolins - September 27, 2012 12:12 am

    Ang aking issue ay kung may pakinabang ang Nueva Camarines kay Dato, at kung ito ay minamadali para sa kanya.

    Nanghiram man o hindi, hindi na kailangan ni Dato ng bagong probinsiya. Puwede siyang tumakbo sa First, habang si Andaya ay tumatakbo sa Second. Walang pakinabang ang Nueva Camarines, ni kay Dato, ni kay Andaya.

    Diyan ko sinasabing kasinungalingan ang paratang na ang Nueva Camarines ay para sa pakinabang ni Dato.

    Tulad ng nasabi ko sa itaas, tutol ako noon sa paghati ng First District into First and Second District. Tutol din si Noy diyan, ngunit umayon ang Kataas-Taasang Hukuman.

    So simple lang, para itama ang mali ng Supreme Court. Mag-file uli ng bill na pinagsasanib ang First and Second District.

    Goodbye Dato.

  128. chi - September 27, 2012 6:35 am

    Usapan namin ni tongue sa previous loop. Hirap makapasok si tongue sa blog, nag-aalburuto rin si akismet. Transfer ko dito para mabasa ng lahat.

    ____

    TonGuE-tWisTeD – September 25, 2012 4:39 pm

    #31. Thanks, chi, I was giving too much credit to Brady at the time. Maybe such credit was partly or wholly undeserved. Who knows Trillanes was involved at the time? I didn’t catch enough of the so-called Brady Report but what I know is that the copy could not have been given to Enrile by mere request, Noynoy has to convene the National Security Council or at least the particular Cabinet Cluster in charge of NSC.

    I don’t remember any time during the standoff that Noynoy convened the Cluster or NSC. Enrile’s copy, no doubt, came from Del Rosario.

    chi – September 25, 2012 8:15 pm

    tongue, when del Rosario invoked the help of the US to ease the tension at Panatag, I thought that was a wrong move knowing China likes to talk in secret. Alam sigurado ni Pnoy yan kaya he insisted on Lee before, and looked for someone he trust to do the specific task concerning the shoal standoff. It just so happened it was Trillanes, it could be someone else.

    On my part, I gave too much credit to del Rosario until he called his big brother. Ano kaya talaga iniisip nya nun? Was that for a show hoping that China would back off? If so, then his hope was very dangerous.

    Anyway, thanks for the input about the Brady notes and NSC, my thoughts, too.

    TonGuE-tWisTeD – September 26, 2012 3:28 pm

    Alam mo naman chi I’m allergic to anything that has to do with the old Greedy Group Plus Plus.

    Eto na naman yang Forum Energy na yan. It might be true what Sonny is now saying that walang laman yung Reed Bank. Hindi nila makuhanan ng tiyempo noong panahon ni putot kaya daw hindi mabigyan ng Service Contract.

    Bull. They can get a contract if they wanted to. Kasosyo nila yung mag-asawa diyan. Nandiyan sila lahat nagtapon ng kwarta pero hindi na yata mababawi. Kung meron mang langis, kokonti lang.

    Andiyan si JDV at bro niyang si Oscar, Ramos ng (National Bookstore) Philodrill, Aboitiz, Razon, Ibazeta, Doc Brown, yung putot at baboy etc.

    Kahit anong “praise release” ni Razon sa diyaryo niya, dapa pa rin yung stock.

    Ano konek niyan kay Enrile? Yung Fuga Island sa Cagayan EPZA na kontrolado nilang mag-ama at Jackie ang pangalawang site na sinusurvey nila (Forum Energy). Ngayong binuking ni Sonny na walang laman ang Reed Bank, sino ngayon ang pagpapasahan ni Pangilinan ng bilyun-bilyung “Buhangin”? hahahaha.

    May karapatan nga silang magpatayan. Malas lang nila, matapang si AT4.

    TonGuE-tWisTeD – September 26, 2012 3:41 pm

    Puro sabit si Pangilinan. Yung mine tailings pond sa Itogon – Suyoc, makawala sa tubig ng ilog. Bilyong halaga ng Forum Energy hindi naman madispatsa lalot binuking ni Sonny, patay na pati laundering ng Grupo. Binili niya yung daan libong kilometrong transmission lines para sana sa BPL (Broadband over Power Lines) hindi naman pala feasible sa broadband.

    Kailangan niya ng milagro kundi sisipain na siya ng magkakapatid na Salim sa puwesto niya.

    Teka, napansin nyo ba na nawala na yung galit ni Enrile sa Smart Cellphone? Diba nga pinilit pa niyang gawin ng NTC na per pulse ang charges sa calls na magbababa ng sobra sa cellphone call cost? Bakit di siya nagwawala kahit di pinansin ni Pangilinan? Esep-esep…

    Tangina, happy siya!

  129. dan1067 - September 27, 2012 12:58 pm

    re #129
    hahaha chi, in the name of national SIKWATery kayo ni tongue ang responsable sa leakage na yan.

  130. chi - September 27, 2012 9:06 pm

    dan, alam mo naman ang photographic mind tongue, hindi dinaplisan ng hiwa mas clear pa nga ngayon. :)

  131. xman - September 29, 2012 1:40 pm

    “A nation…cannot survive treason from within…the traitor …wears the face of his victims,…and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly…he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared…….” Cicero, 42 B.C.E.

  132. saxnviolins - September 29, 2012 8:36 pm

    Let us talk about another back channel.

    The cybercrime law seems to have sneaked past all the freedom-fighter kuno lawmakers, including the son of democracy icons, who signed the bill into law.

    The law allows the government to snoop into your computer communications. Talk about stealth. The servants of the people (paid with the people’s taxes)do not want the people to have access to papers and activities done in behalf of the people (FOI bill). Yet, they arrogate unto themselves the power to snoop into the communications of the people whom they serve.

    So they have turned the tables on you. Gusto niyong makuha ang government docs? No. Kami ang kukuha ng inyong computer data. Kayo ang boss ko? O kayo ang busabos ko?

    As usual, natutulog din sa pansitan ang mga maiingay na crusaders. They were beaten to the draw again by Louis “Barok” Biraogo, the guy who first filed against the Truth Commission.

    Biraogo was a batchmate of Marvic Leonen; three years ahead of Harry Roque. He headed the Upsilon Sigma Phi of Kiko Cuneta. I don’t know why he is a Mr. I thought he graduated with Leonen.

  133. olan - September 30, 2012 3:23 am

    Agree sax (Dina sucks in this article..peace) these people thought that its a good thing to deny people their right of expression…kala nila they are always in power or laging lamang! Somebody more ruthless or evil ( like the previous one) will someday come and take power from them…tapos sila naman yayariin using the dose of their own medicine…people express to correct the wrong…Mas marami ang nakakarinig sa tama kesa naninira!

  134. olan - September 30, 2012 3:33 am

    I am hoping pnoy, sereno, sinoto, at angarbo will look and reconsider and let pimentel and others work it out in line with our freedom of expression…ie the libel side of the cybercrime law tsk tsk

  135. tru blue - September 30, 2012 11:58 am

    No matter who is in power, Pinas is deep rooted in laissez-faire laws and policies.

  136. TonGuE-tWisTeD - September 30, 2012 2:44 pm

    Well, co-filer pala si Ellen ni Harry dito sa 5th wave of oppositors to the cybercrime law. This is getting to be more interesting.

  137. TonGuE-tWisTeD - September 30, 2012 2:47 pm

    I just finished watching the Juan Ponce-Enrile docu on ABS-CBN.

    Totoo palang kahit sa palad mo pakainin ang isang ulupong, dadating ang araw, tutuklawin ka pa rin nito.

  138. TonGuE-tWisTeD - September 30, 2012 3:31 pm

    Kung hindi ninyo alam ang storya ng Camarines Sur, ito ay dating dalawang distrito lang. District 1 mula sa Boundary ng Quezon hanggang Pasacao lahat ng natira District 2. Ang sentro ng komersyo sa Dist 1, yung Naga City at yung Dist. 2, Iriga City.

    Matagal nang hawak ng mga Andaya ang Dist. 1. Para maisingit si Dato, tinapyasan ang dalawang distrito saka inappoint si Andaya Jr. Sa Cabinet ni Gloria. Yung bagong teritoryo naging District 2 para nga kay Dato.

    Kinontra ni Noynoy sa Korte Suprema ang pagbuo ng bagong probinsiya dahil sa kakulangan ng populasyon. Ang sabi ng pekeng korte suprema, yun daw requirement sa populasyon ay para lang sa bagong siyudad, hindi para sa probinsiya.

    Amputanginang katarantaduhan ng batas yan. Kailangan ng hustong bilang pagka gagawa ng siyudad na di hamak na maliit lamang, pero hindi kailangan pagka Probinsiyang di hamak na malaki ang gagawin. Letseng kagaguhan yan!

    Kung ganyan ang takbo ng batas sa Pilipinas, ayoko nang maging Pinoy.

  139. chi - September 30, 2012 9:06 pm

    You know the facts, tongue…taga dyan ka.

    Kulang ang population para sa bagong probinsya inapruban pa ng SC ni Gloria. Tapos aprubado pa ng senado ni Enrile ngayon. Kasuka!

  140. chi - September 30, 2012 9:08 pm

    #138. Kaya pala si Yuko dinidiin ng husto ang tio. :)

  141. Mike - September 30, 2012 9:13 pm

    # 138

    Pugad ng mga ulupong sa lahat ng sangay ng ating gobyerno. Sila sila, nagtutuklawan pagkatapos bati bati ulit. Ang saya diba??? :P

  142. chi - September 30, 2012 9:19 pm

    Letseng cybercrime law, freedom of info ang hinihingi, panlulupig ang binigay.

    Burado na talaga sa akin si Chiz. Hindi raw niya napansin na naisingit ang libel provision. Sino tatangahin nya? Lahat sila, maliban sa isa o dalawa, tumatanggi o hindi raw napansin ibig sabihin pinirmahan lang basta ang batas na hindi personal na binasa. Senado, Palasyo tamad magbasa ng pinipirmahan. Bulok kayo!

  143. chi - September 30, 2012 9:26 pm

    #142. Mike, kaya marami ng pinoy ang may anxiety disorder dahil bati na ang mga political enemies, naiiwan pa sila sa pansitan, hehehe! Imagine, kulang na lang si Gloria Arroyo sa photo ng book launching ni Enrile kumpleto na ang mga quatro cantos. :)

  144. Mike - October 1, 2012 12:44 am

    Chi, sure ka ba wala si Gloria diyan? Baka nasa ilalim lang ng inuupuan ni PNoy. :P

  145. chi - October 1, 2012 1:03 am

    Mike, posible. Wala naman tayong nakikita at nalalaman sa kanilang itinatago. Sa liit ni Goyang kahit tumindig sa likuran ni Imelda ay di pa rin kita. :)

  146. dan1067 - October 1, 2012 2:06 pm

    re #139
    Tongue e kaso nga mas nanaig ang ingay ng Scarborough kesa CamSur split ni johnnyboy. Ikaw ba naman ang sabihan ng when we’re talking to national security, “nandito na ako hindi ka pa pinapanganak” leche!!!!

  147. dan1067 - October 1, 2012 2:24 pm

    Out of topic re JPE launching his book of memoirs…
    A remarkable sorry part which is inevitable for him to tackle.

    http://www.abante.com.ph/issue/oct0112/op_rb.htm#.UGkz8ug_6So

  148. TonGuE-tWisTeD - October 2, 2012 10:47 am

    dan1067, para ka namang bago ng bago. Yung mga threatened sa presence ni Trillanes, gagawin ang lahat maitumba lang si Sonny.

    Si Binay? Walang kinatatakutan yan, feeling in-the-bag na ang pagiging “Susunod na Pangulo ng Pinas”. Wag lang siya bulilyasuhin ni Sonny. Hehehe. Kaya tulong tulong sila Erap, Jinggoy, Sotto, Enrile, pati na yung grupo ni Bongbong kasi akala nila, one-on-one lang ang laban nila Binay vs. Bongbong.

    Tagilid sila pag pumasok sa eksena si Trillanes. Hahaha. Marami na namang media ang nagkakalaman ang bulsa dahil mainit si Sonny Boy.

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