Pro-Arroyo lawmakers given gifts, pork pledge
By Christian V. Esguerra, Norman Bordadora, Michael Lim Ubac
Battling for political survival for the third time in as many years, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo Thursday summoned loyal congressmen to Malacañang and, in a show of strength using “sendoff gifts,” forced Speaker Jose de Venecia to back off from an impeachment move.
Envelopes containing cash amounting to between P200,000 and P500,000 were handed out to congressmen at the meeting, along with promises of pork barrel amounting to millions of pesos, hours before administration lawmakers took action in the House of Representatives to protect Ms Arroyo from being impeached, several lawmakers present at the meeting told the Philippine Daily Inquirer, parent company of INQUIRER.net.
Ms Arroyo herself called the unscheduled breakfast meeting with around 190 congressmen but some of the Inquirer informants said she was not around when the envelopes were supposedly distributed.
Malacañang dismissed the report as part of “political intrigue” and said that congressmen were “not for sale.”
The congressmen who confirmed the incident described the handouts variously as “a remembrance,” a “sendoff gift,” and “tulong” (help).
“All of them received P500,000,” a ranking member of the staff of one administration congressman said. “Some were floating P200,000 just so they can save when barangay officials start asking them for assistance.”
“The President was not there when the money was distributed, but congressmen got the message. They have to toe what Malacañang wants to happen as far as the impeachment is concerned,” he added.
Hard and soft
The source said that another matter relayed to the House members during the meeting was the distribution of their pork barrel worth P70 million.
“Before, it was 50 hard and 20 soft (P50 million for infrastructure and P20 million for funds assistance to local government units). Now, it’s 35 and 35,” the congressional source said. “Now, there’s more flexibility.”
In an interview with the Inquirer hours after the distribution of money, an administration lawmaker said the largesse came inside envelopes containing at least P200,000 in cash.
The amounts were distributed at the end of a breakfast meeting, the congressman said on condition of anonymity.
“They were distributed by the door as the congressmen were leaving,” he said.
Too small
But the source made it clear that the money was not meant to influence lawmakers on their decision in the impeachment complaint.
“You don’t kill an impeachment with that meager amount,” he said.
“It’s normal at the end of the session days for congressmen to be given tokens of remembrance,” the other lawmaker said.
“In this case, congressmen worked extended hours for the national budget. They slept very little. So it’s but natural for the party to make members feel that they are remembered.”
Help in the elections
Asked to comment on reports that the congressmen received promises of “pork barrel” before or after the Oct. 29 barangay elections, the source said the congressmen got no other pledge from the party leadership.
Another majority congressman confirmed the cash distribution, but said it was intended as “tulong” (help) for lawmakers for the upcoming barangay elections.
Asked about the reported “pork barrel” promise, a senior member of the ruling coalition gave different figures of the amounts promised: “The P15 million are for soft projects. The P20 million are for hard projects. We’ve been working for those since August. These are all for 2008.”
The senior congressman, like the other Inquirer sources, asked not to be identified given the sensitivity of the subject matter.
Soft projects are financial assistance to local government units and public institutions such as hospitals. Hard projects are those for infrastructure such as roads, bridges and classrooms.
Another meeting
The senior congressman denied receiving P200,000 to P500,000 to help barangay election candidates in the coming elections, saying he left the breakfast early.
“I don’t know anything about that,” the three-term lawmaker said.
“There was no need to tell anybody to support the referral of the impeachment complaint against the President because it was already agreed that it will no longer be the Speaker who will transmit the complaint,” the senior congressman said.
Malacañang summoned administration lawmakers to breakfast at 8 a.m.
Ms Arroyo showed up around 30 minutes later, but delivered no speech, according to one Inquirer informant.
Another lawmaker also from the majority said another gathering was scheduled last night in Malacañang “for those who failed to attend the breakfast.”
“I got an invitation,” he told the Inquirer.
Just a social
Another administration lawmaker, who was also present during the breakfast, said the occasion was largely a “social gathering” for legislators before they took their semestral break.
But the source said his colleagues repeatedly harped on the idea that the elections were near and they needed money.
“Maraming nagpaparinig,” the source said. “Magastos daw.”
One of the Inquirer sources said a congressman needed at least P3 million to help finance youth and barangay candidates in the coming polls. In his district alone, he said he needed at least P1 million on the premise that each of his candidates was to be given P1,000.
One congressman admitted by phone that envelopes were passed during the meeting but said it contained only “a token (amount).”
He explained that the money would go to barangay officials who would have to run for reelection in the barangay polls this month.
No SAROs released
But the lawmaker, who belongs to the inner circle of the House leadership, denied that special allotment release orders (SAROs) were released.
“I don’t think so,” the congressman said, stressing that he himself was surprised that pork barrel allocations were not distributed by Malacañang.
“This is the first time in six years that they did not give anything on the last day of the session of Congress,” the lawmaker said. “Usually, SAROs are handed out during this time.”
The congressman suspected that Ms Arroyo was stopping the scheduled release of SAROs as a leverage against House members on the issue of the impeachment complaint.
Pulling the strings
“It’s coming,” the lawmaker said, stressing that Malacañang had the penchant for using the pork barrel entitlements to keep lawmakers toeing the administration line.
The lawmaker sees Malacañang’s hands “pulling the strings to oust” the Speaker.
“Let’s see who will win in the end. They can’t just unseat Speaker De Venecia,” the congressman said.
Former House Majority Leader Prospero Nograles neither confirmed nor denied the reported release of SAROs when reached by phone late Thursday.
“Releases, if any, of our legislative and our district entitlements for our people are not in any way impeachment-connected. Fact is that they are long overdue for our priority projects listed by congressmen,” said Nograles.
Presidential Management Staff Chief Cerge Remonde said he was not present during the breakfast meeting, “but I don’t think that the Palace will go down to that level.”
He said the unfounded reports were part of the “political intrigues that are no longer news.”
Not for sale
Remonde said: “The congressmen are not for sale, and for that matter the entire Congress of the Philippines.”
“The President is confident that any impeachment attempt will collapse under its own lack of weight,” Remonde said.
Is there no law banning this kind of gift-giving that everyone knows are being stolen from the country’s coffers, including debts from other countries being incurred in the name of the people of the Philippines by a criminal?
Hanggang kailan magtitiis ang mga pilipino? Unbelievable! Onli in da Pilipins!
Sabi nga ng isang commenter sa blog ni MLQuezon3:
“How is this legal and how does the commission on audit justify this on the budget?????????
“No successful country in the world disburses tax money in this manner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Hinayupak na BAYARANG TONGRESSMANN ay puro sign ng Pesos or Dollar ang makikita mo sa mukha nila kapag pumupunta sa malancanyan. Negosyo na naman, sana kung sa probinsiya nila mapupunta ang pera kaso sa bulsa nila eh. Tama si ELLEN na “Only in the Philippines” na ang lahat ay baliktad. Ang tama ay mali at ang mali ay tama. Only in the Philippines rin na ang mga naka upo ay puro magnanakaw kahit na sa Simbahan ay nababyaran na rin ang mga CARDINAL. Nakaka banas si Pacman nag hihintay kami sa parade ay inisnab niya kami. Wala kasing perang makukuha yata kay Mayor Lim eh.
Re: “Presidential Management Staff Chief Cerge Remonde said he was not present during the breakfast meeting, “but I don’t think that the Palace will go down to that level.”
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You were not present pala so ano ang nginangakngak mo?!
Isa pang ungas itong si Remonde (sino ba ito nung araw?).
For all you know Remonde, your president has been going to that lowest level since the day she stole the presidency!
That’s why I said, the Philippines should be renamed while under Gloria, the Backsheesh Republic!
Hanggang ngitngit na lamang ba ang mga tao? Kung malakas lamang sana ang opposition, pero marami yata ang pseudo opposition, kaya walang kumikilos. Walang humahadlang sa mga gawain nila kaya ganyan.
Re: Remonde’s ““but I don’t think that the Palace will go down to that level.””
Sure! But she’ll go down to the lowest of the low and not only to “that level” … it would be the level of the rats, the worms, the snakes!
Malacañang (that is Kwin Korap) said that congressmen were “not for sale.”
Ha!Ha!Ha! O, sige na nga they are “not for sale”, nabibili lang sila!
Tumpak na tumpak yung nasabi ni FPJ noong siya ay nabubuhay pa. “Mas magaling pa silang artista kaysa sa akin.” Artista lang kasi si FPJ sa pelikula, pero sa totoong buhay di siya artista at siya ay totoong tao.
Di raw for sale? Neck neck mo remonde! Lumang tugtugin na iyan.
Goldberg:
May lumpen nuon dito sa blog ni Ellen na patraydor kung bumanat kay Fernando Poe Jr.,
Ayon talaga ang masasabi ko na intruder!
Sana sinabi na lang niya: “Okey lang na dayain, tutal nagpapadaya naman!”
ahistorical lumpen!
(walang ganyang salita, pero iimbentuhin ko para mailabas ko ang galit ko!) 🙁
“Remonde said: “The congressmen are not for sale, and for that matter the entire Congress of the Philippines.””
Ulol, talagang not for sale, dahil matagal na kayong nabili. And besides, gaga lang ang bumibili ng mga defective goods. Di bale, time will come mawawala din kayo dyan sa Bastusang Pambansa.
The congressmen who confirmed the incident described the handouts variously as “a remembrance,” a “sendoff gift,” and “tulong” (help).
Gago ano ang akala mo dyan, GRAB Bag sa childrens party, or give away ng kasal. Leche mga animal na to, ano ang akala nya sa amin mga gagong kamuka nyo. Unggoy.
Anna: Manolo was right, I used to do a lot of auditing and right off the bat, I was thinking what book entry do they used. GRAB BAG, Souvenir. Sino kaya ang nag approved ng release ng funds? Sobra na to.
Ang kapal ng mukha ng mga tongressman na to, kakainis. I saw the newsclip, they were riding on their airconditioned SUV’s, one even has a Rolls Royse, sino ang nagbayad ng gasolina nyo at saka ang nilamon nyo sa Malacanang. Sanaa na food poison kayong lahat.
Sorry Ellen, nadala lang ako sa sobrang galit, these animals have the nerve to smile and pretend as if nothing happens.
Totie, the one on a Roll Royce was Rep. Annie Susano of one of Quezon City’s district. She would go to slum areas in her Roll Royce. Her family is in real estate business.
Susano, if your remember during the Con-Ass House debates,bragged that the church will not get angry with her even if she voted for Con-Ass because she had given the bishop PPPPPI forgot the amount that she mentioned.
Text message:
Ronnie Puno:
Francis Ver is mine but I have nothing to do with him.
Pablo Garcia is Kampi but I have nothing to do with him. I am for JDV.
JDV is my friend but I will stab him if Gloria says so.
GMA is my president but if someone hires me, I’ll dump her.
If white envelopes were distributed to the Bishops last time, it’s red envelopes for the solons this time. Where did all the money come from? People’s money including from the ZTE deal? Tanay nilang lahat!
Pechanco, hindi naman siguro personal money ni Gloria yun, ano.
Ah ganoon ba, Ellen. It’s not Gloria’s personal money? Well, it’s the presidential money siguro.
Ellen, that Rep. Susano of QC is half-Filipina daw. Kalahati ang gender niya. Tutoo ba?
These loyal congressmen to Malacanang means only one thing… and that is serving the Kwin Korap and not their constituents!
Tanay nyong lahat!
Congress is not for sale! Justice is not for sale..but the Executive branch just bought. Hindi pala regalo for being so faithful and loyal..The catholic church is quiet..ganoon din ang Iglesia ni Manalo, El Shaddai etc. What money can do…malupit na pangyayari..sino ang may sala? We allowed it to happen..kaya namihasa…As the late Pres. Quezon said…he would rather have the Phil. run like hell by Filipinos…we have it folks…the only catholic country in Asia run by a valedictorian graduate of Assumption (a very exclusive Catholic school) helped by graduates of Ateneo de Manila, De la Salle, San Beda all excclusive catholic schools) and our very own Phil. Military Academy..Ang lupit ng tadhana…
aling gobyerno pa ang hihigit kaya
sa pagkagahaman at pagkasugapa
sa pagiging suwitik at walang pagbabawa
sinong tatalo kay gloria?
wala na nga, wala!
magnanakaw, sinungaling, mandaraya, mapagkunwari, mangongotong, makapal ang mukha, walang kahihiyan, suwapang, hayok, suwitik, sugapa, gahaman, ganid = gloria MAKAGARAPAL arroyo!
Gloria Macaraeg Macapagal Arroyo layas Glorial Pidal may ….
Rose, did Gloria Arroyo finish valedictorian in Assumption? I don’t think so?
Oo nga naman, Filipinos allowed them! Hindi magagawa ni
Upps! heto ang continuation..
Hindi magagawa ni Impaktang Gloria ang manuhol kung hindi siya hinhayaan ng mga tao. The people’s SILENCE is a sign that tells this Impakta to go on. May umaangal ba sa mga civil sector?, sa mga religious? ; Diyos na lang daw ang bahala! As if, tutulungan kaya sila ng Diyos kung hindi sila gagawa ng action!
Hinihintay pa yata ng sambayanaan ang isang magpapaka-hero bago sila magigising!
ellen:
re replayan ko ng post dito sa blog mo ang nag teks sayo…
dirty dirty job
dirty dirty job
dirty dirty
i-tri points mo na!
dyowaaaaarski tripowents!
Relaks lang kayong lahat. Nariyan ang ambuswoman, di ba?
Ihanda lang ninyo ang ebidens para sa kanya.
ang briber at bribee ay pasok sa jeyl, di ba?
There’s a famous saying that “All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
But I was thinking, if you are good, you would be doing something in the face of evil.
To the 189 or so TONGressmen/women in the Bastusan Pambansa, here’s to you, a novelty song written by Bob Merrill in 1952:
How much is that doggie in the window? (arf! arf!)
The one with the waggley tail
How much is that doggie in the window? (arf! arf!)
I do hope that doggie’s for sale
Ellen, Thanks a lot. Si Art Defensor kaya na kumpare ni Gloria dahil inaanak niya si Maeti di ba? Pulang sobre or what?
Tongressman Susano pala ha. Bugbog ka sa akin ngayon lalo na pagdating ko dyan. Sa araw ng ating pagtutuos di kita patawarin, ang kapal ng mukha mo. How can you sleep at night, I will find out who you are, and you can take it to the bank, I will know it. We will expose all of your crap in the closet and in your face.
Kayong mga residente ng Bastusang Pambansa – sa susunod na magdistribute ng sobre “PINK SLIP” ang laman.
Anong sabi sa likod ng dollar? In God We Trust. Tama di ba?
Dahil Diyos ng mga hayup ang pera, Glo trusts that they can be bought. Ganoon nga ang nangyari.
Ellen: Mayroon na akong nagawang konting research. Kailangan ko lang ang text ng verification ni San Luis. Ayaw ko namang based on incorrect facts tulad ng Motion for Trillanes. This time, kailangang verificado ang facts.
May konting silip pa ng araw, based on would you believe, the Galman case.
Ellen,
I am committed to hit the streets, prepare to shed blood and damn Gloria’s thugs.
this evil woman must be exorcised. doing so through the institutional process is useless – she has prostituted them all!
Ang kapal din naman, kita nyo sabi nga ng Lola, ang isda nahuhuli sa bibig. So down payment lang pala ito, meron pa palang susunod, based dito sa statement:
“Too small
But the source made it clear that the money was not meant to influence lawmakers on their decision in the impeachment complaint.
“You don’t kill an impeachment with that meager amount,” he said.
Atty36252: Sana maliwanag ang ilaw na nasilip mo. At si kabayang Lando Galman pa, sige Attorney, may their day Torny.
Chabeli, yong kantang “How much is that doggie in the window? (arf! arf!)” ay narinig ko ng huli noong panahon ni Marcos. Siguro nga dapat natin i-revive ang kantang yan sa ngayon.
Kita mo nga naman pinalayas natin ang sinasabi nating Diktador noon pero mukhang mas masahol pa ng Pekeng Glorya ngayon. Biruin mo nalagyan na niya lahat ma Cardinal, Bishops, Ministers, Doctors, Justices, Generals, deVenecia, Ramos, Admin. Senators even Opposition Senators like Villar, Cayetano (German Bank Acct, ZTE), Pangilinan, Escudero yong iba malapit na gaya ni Erap. Ngayon tanong, Paano na tayo ngayon? Puro himutok na lang ba?
House Speaker JDV today explained that the cash gifts (to congressmen) is standard daw. Ibig sabihin SOP (standard operating procedure). That means it’s a common practice at dapat hindi ipagtaka. Tanay niya! Assuming that it is a standard, why did it have to happen in Malacanang right before
impeachment was to be decided by the House? And was it also standard that white envelopes were also given to Bishops during the previous impeachment and at the height of the Garci taps scandal? Ang hirap sa mga tanay na iyan lagi tayong ginagawang mga tanga.
Another interesting news today was undefeated champ Manny Pacquiao being promoted to Master Sergeant in the Army Reserve. Akbay-akbay ni Esperon si Pacquiao na parehong nakangiti. If Manny only has a degree or a college graduate, he might be even promoted to Major. Kaya hanggang non-commissioned officer lang muna. Does he deserve it? Kayo na ang sumagot. Master Sargeant lang pero takot sa kaniya ang mga Colonel at General. Tanay niya din!
Rose says, “the only catholic country in Asia run by a valedictorian graduate of Assumption (a very exclusive Catholic school) helped by graduates of Ateneo de Manila, De la Salle, San Beda all excclusive catholic schools)”
Hindi lang pala pinagtataguan ng demonyo ang ating simbahan gaya ng mga tiwaling Pari (ex. tumatanggap ng suhol mula kay Glorya) kundi gumagawa din ng mga Demonyo. Oh my Glorya!!!!!
Ellen, hindi nag-valedictorian si Impakta sa Assumption. Nag-baligtadtorian siya.
Ellen: It appears that impeaching Mrs. Pidal seems to be inutile due to her Tongressmen from the Bastusang Pambansa, are you aware of the impeachment procedures for the empty suits members of Tongress? If so, we should start hitting them one by one until we get rid of all these natures toxic waste.
Worst come to worst we can send a petition to AL GORE, the newly minted Nobel Peace Prize Winner, charging the Tongress as the underlying cause of Global Warming. Kasi everytime they meet and convene umiinit lang ang ulo ng buong Pilipinas.
Tingnan mo si Garfield, akala ng lahat nagbago na, di pa pala, kung yung ibang member sobre lang, eh! siya? Bayong o Sako.
# Ellen Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
There’s a famous saying that “All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
But I was thinking, if you are good, you would be doing something in the face of evil.
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I do, too, Ellen.
I believe that a good person can not stay neutral in the face of evil, it’s contrary to the nature of goodness. A good person will even slay the source of chaos in order to preserve goodness among the many. So, killing that which is evil is an act of a good person and a hero.
seems the country’s treasury is the Arroyo’s Petty Cash, but the problem the money they are throwing is NO PETTY, it is in the Millions and put together in Billions. That’s is Grand Thief in any other names…
Pechanco, hinay hinay lang kapatid ang presyon mo, tataas na naman.
Pechanco,
Re: House Speaker JDV today explained that the cash gifts (to congressmen) is standard daw. Ibig sabihin SOP (standard operating procedure). That means it’s a common practice at dapat hindi ipagtaka.
Tama, hindi dapat ipagtaka dahil iyan ang kalakaran sa impierno ni Gloria Impakta!
“House Speaker JDV today explained that the cash gifts (to congressmen) is standard daw.”
Standard kung lahat ay binigyan at naka-tseke para bang Bonus di ba? Hindi yong cash at pili lang ang binibigyan. Dapat naka-account yan sa bawat isa para pagdating ng filing ng tax kasama yan. Yan ang legal. Biruin niyo pay pakimkim na wala pang buwis. Kaya para bumagsak ng Pekeng Glorya na yan e kung huwag na rin kaya tayong mag-bayad ng buwis.
Kaya maraming gustong maging Congressman at Senator dahil sa KWALTA at hindi para sa Bayan. Pansariling interest lang.
Kung standard yan e di undeclared income yan. Yang mga gumagawa ng Batas e sila rin ang hindi tumutupad. MGA BUWAYA!!!!!!
Ellen, sorry my bad. Members of congress are not impeachable but they are mere mortals for sure. When that time comes, Proverbs 11:21 “Be sure of this: The wicked will not go unpunished, but those who are righteous will go free.”
Totie, members of Congress who are tutas of GMA are not impeachable, they are killable. Tumbahin at todasin na lang ang mga tanay na iyan!
I like what’s happening here, ang mga good kelots ang nagagalit at nagmumura. Makakapahinga kami, heheeh! Right on guys…you’re our men!
Pechanco, oo nga eh, its about time that we move and act in unison. We have to beat them using their own playgame. Discredit.
We need to establish a central data base of all Public official’s deeds and misdeeds, all verifiable and complete with appropriate documentations. Madali na ang logistics nito, we can rally people to submit all they know. Kung nagawa nila noon ang Namfrel kaya din nating gumawa ng ganitong project. Accessible sa public ang information.
Chi: Tama ka dyan, sumobra ang init ng ulo ko ng mapanood ko sa newsclip habang palabas sa Mal-acanang. Di ko tuloy matapos ang ginagawa ko, sige mag raise ako ng seed money pang bili ng mga gamit kung okay sa grupo. Pag di pa umubra, isasama ko na lang sa fertilizer ang mga ito.
Sama ako sa project mo, Totie.
Christmas in October
Well dear Filipinos, we stand at a crossroads this very moment in our lives. We could still take back our country and freedoms… we could bring back the rule of law… we could insure freedom for our children and ourselves… but it will take the combined effort of all of us to be willing to fight against the tyranny, the police state being implemented, and to re-evaluate our personal priorities, or we WILL lose not only our freedoms and our prosperity, but our country and even our lives to this evil that knows no contentment.
Unless we each are willing to accept some degree of personal responsibility for our government and its evil actions in this country, we will fail as a nation of freedom loving people. When I see people watch the abandon with which the youthful and middle age people pursue selfish interests, ignoring the truth readily available to them, I am profoundly upset and disgusted. They blindly pay allegiance to the masters they have created and allowed to exist.
I call on every Filipino to wake up out of the slumber they are in, accept the challenge of becoming involved in seeking the truth, seeking knowledge, and seek understanding about their own country and Constitution. Lies are all about us, on every front, making fools of us all. I believe Filipinos are not stupid unless they refuse to look at the truth, consider it and take action to support it. We can stand together, as Filipinos, getting rid of the chains of the evil we are bound by.
If any of us really love this country, love freedom, love our countrymen and love truth, then we will see past the blinders of government facades created to control us all, so we will do exactly what they want us to do, believe exactly what they want us to believe and control us exactly as they require to achieve their perverted, selfish, greedy, maniacal and elite agenda that will never end unless “We the People” end it, take back self governance. Controlling Filipinos through creating expensive unnecessary projects and then pocketing huge dollar commissions that will take the Filipino many years to pay back is pure evil.
If there is ANY courage left in true Filipinos, any fortitude, any love for truth, any love of country, NOW is the time to DO something to be part of the solution instead of blindly supporting the problems and the destruction of our Constitution by doing nothing. If you do nothing, YOU, personally, are part of the problem. You, PERSONALLY, are destroying the Constitution and breaking the very laws which allows this country to exist.
We cannot be silent, we need leaders to hear our voices, loud and clear, put a stop to this blatant corruption, now.
Let the good men stand up and be counted, and CHARGED!
Nice piece, WWNL.
Totie,
Totie Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Pechanco, oo nga eh, its about time that we move and act in unison. We have to beat them using their own playgame. Discredit.
“We need to establish a central data base of all Public official’s deeds and misdeeds, all verifiable and complete with appropriate documentations. Madali na ang logistics nito, we can rally people to submit all they know. Kung nagawa nila noon ang Namfrel kaya din nating gumawa ng ganitong project. Accessible sa public ang information.”
That is one of the best ideas that’s ever been put forward… I’m all for it. We cannot sit idly by while these scalawags destroy the Philippines.
chi tama ang sinabi ng malocong palace, congessmen are not for sale. they are up for bid to the highest bidder.
pechanco, masyado ka naman mabait ung totodasin at tutumbahin na lang ang mga tuta ni gloria, dapat pagayaran muna nila ang mga sangkatutak na kasalanan nila sa sambayanang pilipino. there should be justice to the injustices they have committed and continue to commit to the filipino people
kaya lang paano sila magbabayad ng mga kasalanan nila hanggang naka-upo sa malocong palace si pandak at habang ang mga alagad nya ay nasa bastusang pambansa at habang napapaikot nya ang mga opisyal ng ommission of elections at hawak nya ang afp thief of staff at si abuswoman?
Etnad, katulad ninyo, iyan ren ang tanong ko, “..Paano na tayo ngayon? Puro himutok na lang ba?”
Mali si JDV. Dapat ibinato niya agad sa senado yun reklamo ala Villar. Ngayon delicado siya. Hindi siya nakakasigurado sa mga alagad niya. Pera lang ang katapat nun at maraming pera si Gloria.
Disdado Macapagal must be clenching his teeth from wherever he is now due to the descration of his own legacy by no other than her own Gloria:
In striving for social justice, Diosdado Macapagal framed his anguish and deep concern for the common man in the following questions:
a) Indeed, why must there be such disparity between the rich and the poor? If the essence of life and nature is justice, why should it be that while some men leave uneaten so much food at their banquet tables, others try to pic out what to them is ameat from the garbage pile?
Ask your Gloria.
b) Why should it be an opulent man smugly sit in his limousine witha cigarette in his mouth, while a lean and hungry man trudges the highway looking for a job, fearfully keeping away from the speeding limousine and picking up a cigarette butt on the sidewalk for his smoke?
I said Ask your Gloria
c) Why should it be that some men’s lives are saved from the most deadly disease, being able to pay the fees of medical specialists, while the children of the poor die of the most harmless ailments, being unable to pay even the quack doctors?
Again, Ask your Gloria and her husband
d) Why should it be that the scions of the wealthy roman around the capitals of the world, enjoying wonders, while the peasant near the hills is born, lives and dies without even knowing the modest brightness of Manila?
Again, Ask your Gloria.
e) Why should it be that a few have so much and many so little of the bounty that God Almighty has provided for all?”
Bakit di mo tanungin si Gloria at si Mike, kapkapan mo.
f) As a democrat, President Macapagal’s adherence to constitutional democracy was always unflinching and without reservation
Ikaw yan pero si Gloria di naman Democrat kundi Demonyo-Kang-Rat.
Ang mahirap dito ay nag hihintay lang naman ang taong bayan lalo na kaming tiga Manila. Hindi ko ma isip kung bakit hindi lumalabas sina Susan Roces , Cory, at iba pang mga kilalang tao. Ngayon na silang kailangan namin or ng taong bayan at para ma umpisaan na at ma alis na ang mga hinayupak na magnanakaw sa Gobyerno natin. Nasaan na sila. Alam naman natin na kailangan may mag simuno at doon lang tayo kikilos.
Hindi na natin kailangan ang mga Cardinal dahil bayaran naman sila eh. “Only in the Philippines” na ang mga Cardinal ay nababayaran kaya laging naka sahod ang mga kamay.
Ellenville Residents:
We can talk all day and night and yet our voices will remain unheard for the most part, its about time that we put all of our moaning, groaning, disatisfactions and frustrations in action. All the things we know about all these politicians needs to be exposed to the entire nation. With a good database, it will be more easy to persecute any politicians that are living beyond their means. This may help in forcing transparency, because if they dont we can ask them to explain in the public forum like Newspapers and othe medium.
Lets do it! Lets talk about the logistics and structure needed for this DATABASE. I nominate Ellen to be the de facto President of this non violent group. Pwera ang walang Palabra de Honor at ang mga may ugaling aso.
Ellen:
As far as I know- class valedictorian daw siya but I will verify with Vida- they were classmates.
Rose anong batch sya
pnoynrs, hindi sa mabait ako. Gusto ko todas agad dahil kung torture muna baka mabuhay pa.
Totie, that was a good idea seconded by AdBrux. We need to have a database keeping those idiots on file so that our children and the next generation would still run after them. Pero sa daming tulisan sa gobyerno ni Gloria baka hindi magkasya…puno agad. As days go by and the more scandals are revealed, Malacanang crooks don’t care and still keep going. What we need is some kind of Jihad…suicide groups. Iyan lang ang paraan para mawala na ang mga tanay na iyan.
Ellen,
I can’t imagine why congressmen receive gifts in cash from the president of the republic.
It simply astounds me whenever I hear of this practice. You can’t do that in Europe.
Members of parliament have their pay, their allowances and that’s it. If the president or prime minister of an EU country did that, distribute envelopes containing cash to members of parliament while an issue against the national leader is being debated upon in the halls of parliament, there would be a civil war.
Cuenco and other congressmen, even JdV say that it’s a normal way of doing things. I beg to differ! IT IS NOT NORMAL.
A president has access to discretionary funds, true. But those funds are not supposed to be used at all to bribe congressmen. Every cent coming out of those discretionary funds should be intended for something legal and not as a personal reward for congressmen, particularly not at a time when that president is under Congress scrutiny.
While we cannot prove tangibly that she bribed the Congressmen, based on the example involving Cuenco and the declration of JdV, we can say without an iota of hesitation that Gloria bribed them – that’s circumstancial evidence enough for me.
At mass today- the responsorial Psalm: “The Lord rules the earth with justice.” Here’s a Prayer for help for the Phil. Psalm 12: “Help us Lord; There is not a good person left: honest people can no longer be found. All of them lie to one another: they deceive each other with flattery.” And here is another- Psalm 10: A Prayer for Justice: Why are you so far away O Lord? why do you hide yourself when we are in trouble? The wicked are proud and persecute the poor; catch them in the traps they have made.
..sa totoo lang- I believe in the catholic church but I am just frustrated with the catholic church in the Phil. starting with Cardinal Rosales, Bishop Villegas…the Jesuits in the Phil. and many other religious groups..Their silence is just too loud… bale wala ang nangyayari–well after all..they had their money..ginagamit ba nila sa pagtulong sa mga mahihirap?.. It seems that the bucks stopped sa kanilang bulsa..ang akala ko ang mga religous have a commitment to poverty! And the rich businessmen in Makati? they are too comfortable..anong paki nila. While I am frustrated with the Phil. Catholic church, I have not lost hope in God and in Him I trust..
As for the Congressmen, those who received the cash gift know fully well that the early Christmas gift is nothing but a bribe.
I’m frankly a bit stunned by such gargantuan lack of morals.
Rose,
I have lost faith in the Roman Catholic Church of the Philippines – the problem is the Philippine branch but not the entire Roman Catholic Church – in that sense I have not lost faith in the Roman Catholic Church as a whole.
If at all any consolation, fortunately, there are still a few good men in the Philippine Catholic Church.
Pechanco: Once we roll the stucture and the objectives known to all, people will volunteer what they know, small information that looks insignificant by itself to someone, when put together, can tell the real story . Mura na lang ang memory ngayon, we can commision a group to build the system for us in the name of civic cause. Para sa susunod na taon, di na Pork Barrel ang ibibigay sa mga Tongressmen kundi Pork and Beans na lang.
Atty, I was so busy I haven’t had time to write Atty. Pulido for a copy of his impeachment complaint until now. Anyway, you can write to him directly:pulido_law_offices@tri-isys.com
AdeBrux, anomalies in the church (Catholic) is not limited to the Philippines. It’s rampant all over the world…everywhere …even right inside the Vatican. Bakit nagkaganoon? Partly if not mainly because of the teachings and practices (I dare not say false). And the saying “practice what you preach” seems to be not found in the church. Iyan ang dahilan kung bakit dumadaloy hanggang sa pinakamaliit na miyembro ang wala o kulang sa moralidad at values. Siguro sagot ng mga tumanggap na Congressmen “Kung ang mga Obispo tumanggap kami pa kayang mga ordinaryong tao lang?”
Back-off…a very popular term these days. Sabi ni FG Piggydal kay Joey: Back-off. Sabi naman ni GMA kay JDV: Back off.
AdeBrux, Rose: Hisorical perspective with regards to the Jesuits according to Sherman Skolnick
Enforcers for the Vatican are called Jesuits. The head of the Jesuits, although he is NOT a person of color, is nevertheless called the BLACK POPE. Over the centuries, Jesuits, hiding behind royal court types with Jewish names, called hofjuden, sought to control if not topple various European monarchs, most of them Catholics.
So by Royal Order, Jesuits were banished from Spain, France, and a few other places. Hiding behind others, the Jesuits actually went underground, continuing to plot to control Monarchs. In America, the Jesuits have Hollywood hofjuden as a front. Hollywood angers Christians by not showing films about non-Jewish holocausts.
Ana, Gloria is a political prostitute that’s why she likes to give “gifts in cash” to the saleable congressmen.
Well said, Chabs
Thank you Ellen.
Ang kapal talaga ng mukha ni gloria! nag innvite siya ng mga congressmen na sa akala niya ay mabibili niyang lahat. Breakfast forum, wala siyang masabi kasi naniguro lang naman siyang dumating ang lahat para abutan ng PERA NG BAYAN! Yung ibang sagad sa buto para ipagbili ang dignidad ay tanggap ng tanggap! sana mabulunan ang mga pamilya ng mga walang hiyang tonggressman, dahil siguradong ipapamili/at ipakain pasalubong sa pamilya. mga mag among MAKAPAL ANG MUKHA!
Be polite. When you visit Malacanang, bumati ng
Bonus dias.
50 hard and 20 soft. Umandar na naman ang bastos kong utak.
Bakit, kinapa ba ang mga congressman?
Anna, Totie, Pechanco:
This ‘public official’s deeds & mis-deeds’ is a good idea.
The basics is someone to volunteer to set up and moderate a website and a set of agreed criteria.
I am willing to afford regular time daily to set up and moderate a website – the agreed criteria can be discussed here before setting up the website – the ball is now in your court (smile). Email: collator.peedee@yahoo.co.uk
Chabeli: Ana, Gloria is a political prostitute that’s why she likes to give “gifts in cash” to the saleable congressmen.
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This reminds me of those Colombian prostitutes I have had the chance to interpreter for during police investigations. They pay a certain amount to some pimps (actually members of some crime gangs designating themselves as protectors of those prostitutes at a district in Tokyo) to make sure that they are not picked up by the police.
Kawawang bansa! Binaboy na ng husto ni GLORC. I bet you, palandi-landi pa iyan, pa-cute-cute when she was giving those white envelopes filled with money from the newly replenished treasury with taxpayers’ money, and worse, utang from China, etc.!!!
It’s a betrayal of public trust in exchange of Gloria Arroyo’s 30 pieces of silver. The Lakas-Kampi congressmen are prostitutes. They sold their ass holes to the evil Malacanang Empire. You are crooks and bitches. Puta ka Gloria. Puta kayong tongressmen.
Atty, that was a good one…he, he…Bonus Dias. What about Bonus tarde…Bonus noche?
Anna,
Aksyon na! (remember our last discussion?)
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martina Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Hanggang ngitngit na lamang ba ang mga tao? Kung malakas lamang sana ang opposition, pero marami yata ang pseudo opposition, kaya walang kumikilos. Walang humahadlang sa mga gawain nila kaya ganyan.
Elvira Sahara Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Upps! heto ang continuation..
Hindi magagawa ni Impaktang Gloria ang manuhol kung hindi siya hinhayaan ng mga tao. The people’s SILENCE is a sign that tells this Impakta to go on. May umaangal ba sa mga civil sector?, sa mga religious? ; Diyos na lang daw ang bahala! As if, tutulungan kaya sila ng Diyos kung hindi sila gagawa ng action!
Chabeli Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Etnad, katulad ninyo, iyan ren ang tanong ko, “..Paano na tayo ngayon? Puro himutok na lang ba?”
vonjovi2 Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
Ang mahirap dito ay nag hihintay lang naman ang taong bayan lalo na kaming tiga Manila. Hindi ko ma isip kung bakit hindi lumalabas sina Susan Roces , Cory, at iba pang mga kilalang tao. Ngayon na silang kailangan namin or ng taong bayan at para ma umpisaan na at ma alis na ang mga hinayupak na magnanakaw sa Gobyerno natin. Nasaan na sila. Alam naman natin na kailangan may mag simuno at doon lang tayo kikilos.
Totie Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
Ellenville Residents:
We can talk all day and night and yet our voices will remain unheard for the most part, its about time that we put all of our moaning, groaning, disatisfactions and frustrations in action.
our beloved country is dying from apathy.
we need more than a few good men and women.
i risk being blasphemous but may the Divine One smote these SOBs … cripple them, render them blind, give them another stroke , whatever, Lord. So my country will be rid of these scoundrels who have the f!@#$%^g nerve to pray before conducting a Cabinet meeting on how to subvert the voice and will of the people, your voice God.
Amen.
Totie: I think she belongs to HS’69 or HS’70. Presidente ang tatay niya noong panahon na iyon..I will ask my cousin they were classmates..Re- the Jesuits..ang pagkaintindi ko sa Society of Jesus- ay sunod sila sa Pope.. soldiers of Christ.. si Ignatius ay sundalo kaya ang discipline nila ay pagkamilitary. As a matter of fact..ang mga founders of religious orders..like Dominic, Francis and Benedict ay may katumbas na order for women..ang Jesuits walang madre na Jesuit. They are supposedly good educators..kaya lang sa kaso ng ateneo, sumobra ata ang turo nila at may extra subjects…as in How to Cheat, Lie, etc. as shown by their
graduates who are now serving GMA. I used to have a high regard of Ateneans but now…look at FG, Bunye, JdV..
Rose:
OO nga eh, wala akong masabi kasi galing ako sa University Belt, anak pawis at amoy pawis.
DinaPinoy, Rose, Atty, Pechanco, Anna. Ystakei, Tounge, Chabeli, Chi, etnad, nelbar, neonate, luzviminda, mrivera, elvira sahara, Ellen, and all
Anyone who wants to join the project “Deed’s and Missdeeds Database (DMD) Project” roll out, our brother We-will never learn agreed to moderate the project roll out. Lets centralize the communication flow to him initially and then decide later how we are going to proceed with the projects operational objectives.
collator.peedee@yahoo.co.uk
“Totie Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
Ellenville Residents:
We can talk all day and night and yet our voices will remain unheard for the most part, its about time that we put all of our moaning, groaning, disatisfactions and frustrations in action. All the things we know about all these politicians needs to be exposed to the entire nation. With a good database, it will be more easy to persecute any politicians that are living beyond their means. This may help in forcing transparency, because if they dont we can ask them to explain in the public forum like Newspapers and othe medium.
Lets do it! Lets talk about the logistics and structure needed for this DATABASE. I nominate Ellen to be the de facto President of this non violent group. Pwera ang walang Palabra de Honor at ang mga may ugaling aso.”
DinaPinoy Says: “Aksyon na! (remember our last discussion?)”
Correct me but you sound so happy dinapinoy… don’t you want to join the “Aksyon na?” Don’t tell me hanggang sa talk ka na rin lang…
Totie, WWNL…
Yes, let’s start collating Gloria’s list of unpunished crimes! I suggest the crimes should be collated by year or by type of unpunished crime. Must be supported by as many articles, press clippings, other documents that we can put under their respective headings.
It will be a great blog record of Gloria’s corrupt governance that everybody can access.
We can then send the website info to all press attachés in embassies in Manila as we go along.
It can be done but we must first have a how to do chart.
Some questions to ask:
How do we send these to WWNL?
When?
How often?
What attachments, etc.?
PS: When WWNL started collating stories on the extrajudicial killings, I participated by sending him stories about what we here had been doing to bring world attention to the extra judicial killings in Pinas but sadly, it seems to have stopped.
mga TONGRESSMAN, mga mukhang pera kayong lahat. kayong mga walang nakikita kong hindi pera, pera at pera.
to the TONGRESSMAN of the house of PERApresentatives, mga hinayupak kayo wala man lang kayong ni katiting na prinsipiyo. lahat kayo mga mukhang PISO o kaya DOLLAR.
to all the crooks i bought before,
like dogs who sit outside my door
i’m glad you came again
i’ll give you cash again
to all the dogs i bought before!
(to the tune of “to all the girls i loved before)
Anna:
The truth about the extra judicial killings website is that you were the only person sending info to me – I realised that there were other websites that recorded extra judicial killings, although not in great depth, it seems that the interest to record this was lacking. I continued with it for some time finding and recording the killings and the disappearances.
With the subject of ‘corruption’ recorded under this administration it would no doubt be a ‘first’ and there would be a greater interest.
In the next couple of days I could (1) put up a blog site but (2) we would need to first determine a Title for the blog and (3) maybe break it down into six years covering 2001 – 2002 – 2003 – 2004 – 2005 – 2006.
Then (4) maybe break each year into Headings of Administration, Justice Dept, Congress, Education, Health, Agro Dept, AFP & PNP. (this is where we need ideas from bloggers).
(5) It is important that ALL information is written in English to enable the whole world ro read and understand the true extent of where, when and how often corruption is being committed against the Filipino people..
Collation point will be email: collator.peedee@yahoo.co.uk
Once we have got the above basics on the blog site things can follow as fast as we want them to unfold, seems the material is endless.
Thanks to Ellen I’m sure bloggers here can come up with a catchy suitable Title for such a blog site.
Lets give it our best shot.
I wonder if those white envelops will reach the barangay level. I’ll file my COC just in case.
Count me in. Totie. Will do what I can.
MR, ok yung kanta mo.
Everyone around Gloria has to be dirty or else she wont trust you. They need to have something on you just in case you decide to go to the other side. Gov. Panlilio just accepted a dole out from Malacanang. Why does he need that money when he is earning from the lahar? He is probably scared that his victory might be overturned if he doesnt cooperate. Accepting the money tells Malacanang that its business as usual.
Jake, please read my comment in the first thread about Panlilio.
To everyone:
Thank you for the response I’m receiving at email: collator.peedee@yahoo.co.uk its encouraging so far.
We are in urgent need of a Blog Title to get started, maybe I can give you some ideas like ‘Conviction for Truth & Justice’.
One of the opening statements to the blog should be that admission by Mike Arroyo when he reported how they conspired with others to oust Erap with the participation of others. This interview appeared in March 5, 2001 issue of Philippine Graphic.
“She had really left the Cabinet at the right moment: the timing was perfect. If she had tarried a moment longer, she would have been too late for EDSA: she would have made it there as an opportunist. And as for the ill-feeling in Metro Manila, we tackled that by going back to the door-to-door campaign: she went from barangay to barangay explaining her motives, outlining her program. And it worked. Then came the impeachment trial, and from there, tuloy-tuloy na.”There was a time honestly, when I felt I erred in advising her to resign from the Cabinet. The masa in Manila apparently wanted her to stick it out with Erap.
And when she started attacking him, everything fell on us – grabe!- everything” and so on …. then unfold the many misdemeanours from the date of ESDA.
The two ideas above are just suggestions in order to get the ball rolling – WWNL
Once we have the Blog up-and-running things will take shape and become clear – always the optimist – smile.
So as not to intrude on Ellen, please use the Email.
Just a quick note to say the blog is being constructed please email me with any ideas you may have – Thanks
http://convictionfortruthandjustice.blogspot.com
Mga tugangs,
Madali lang ma trace kung pera ng bayan or personal na pera ni Mam Redhouse yung X-mas in October.. Just ask Governor Among Ed Panlilio the Serial Numbers of the Crispy Pera that he and they received..
Rose:
May natatandaan akong isang Jesuit priest na umalis na sa pagkapari (di ko alam kung nagpatuloy pa siya sa Catholic church). May reklamo kasi itong paring ito noon sa mga nangyayari sa simbahan. Pinakalma siya ng kanyang obispo. At nung siya ay magpapaalam na, lumuhod siya sa harap ng kanyang obispo para halikan ang kanyang singsing. Ang singsing ng obispo ay may precious or semi precious stone sa gitna. Laking gulat niya dahil hindi bato ang nakita niya sa gitna ng singsing nung kanyang obispo. Isang simbulo ng kaaway ng simbahan.
Sabi ko kay Nelbar sa isang thread, Liberators do exist. Wala daw kasing liberator sabi ni Nelbar. Sa loob ng simbahan ang dami. Mga nakasutana at may mga pectoral crosses pa.
Jesuits used to be the first line of defense of the Catholic church against liberals, modernists and heretics. But now, they are the worst. And that congregation is being chastised for participating in a council that wants to destroy everything beautiful in the church.
Goldberg:
Naniniwala ka ba na kapag pinaliguan ang pusa ay uulan?
Noong nakaraang Julio, ano kaya ang dahilan at sa hinabahaba ng ilang buwan na tag-init, bakit umulan?
Matapos ang ilang araw na pag-ulan, hindi ba’t sinabi ng simbahan na ipagdasal naman na tumigil na ang ulan dahil bumabaha na?
Ano ba ang nangyari dun?
Hindi ako naniniwala sa pamahiin na iyan Nelbar.
Noong umulan, marami sigurong taimtim na nagdasal, lalo na yung sa mga bukirin, kaya umulan. Bukod sa cloud seeding meron din nagdasal ng ulan. Kung nangyari ang pagulan dahil nagdasal ang maraming tao para sa tubig, tapos pinatigil ang pagdasal dahil bumabaha na, nakinig ang Diyos sa hinaing ng tao. Pero ewan ko kung nakuha nila yung mensahe ng Diyos sa kanilang hinaing, at kung may natutunan nga sila. Yung pagbaha, kasalanan ng tao iyan. Wala kasing disiplina. Yung nabanggit mo na sinabi ng simbahan na ipagdasal naman ang pagtigil ng ulan kasi bumabaha na, hindi sinabi ng simbahan iyon. Ang nagsabi nun obispo ng simbahan. Kung maraming ungas na alagad ng simbahan, walang kinalaman ang simbahan sa pagiging ungas nila.
Bilang Kristiyano, masama ang maniwala sa pamahiin o superstition. Pero kung susuriin natin ang kasaysayan tulad ng paniniwala ng marami lalo na ang mga Intsik sa galaw ng planeta, tutoo naman. May mga matandang kasabihan na hanggang ngayon nagiging tutoo. Sa Malacanang, bawal paliguan ang baboy. Iyan ang dahilan kaya si FG Piggydal ay hindi kailanman naligo simula nang naging pekeng pangulo ang asawa.
Naspu-naspu lang ang ginagawa. Kaya nga ang bantot nitong FG.
Don’t you know that the two don’t share a bed? May kanya-kanya silang mga kuwarto.
fellow ellenville bloggers:
wag taung killjoy sa mga maliliit na kaligayahan ng nga tongressmen na tumanggap ng pera from malacanang. for all we know, baka may 200 tau dun… temper, temper everybody.
High blood kaming lahat, mideast. Kasi wala kaming parte.
My 2 cents:
Why did the likes of Medy Poblador give “the bag” to Gov. Ed “Among” Panlilio?
Could it be that she forgot that Among Ed is a “Man of the Cloth”? I don’t think so!
I think she deliberately included the good Gov. Ed Panlilio in the early christmas list because she is the bag lady, the-go-between her GMA and “Men of the Cloth” like Arch. Gaudencio Rosales, Bishop Villegas, to name just a few, who received white envelops from her. Why would this Gov. Ed Panlilio then be any diferent?
That’s gonna be another blunder for you, Medy Poblador!
here’s something to test your imagination : what do you get if you put together in malacanang GMA & a bunch of money-salivating congressmen?
answer : the pinoy version of ALI BABA & THE FORTY THIEVES
hindi mo ako nage-gets goldberg.
maraming paraan para maisakatuparan ang pag-ulan.
dito sa bansang ating sinilangan, na kung saan wala pa ang mga kastilaloy ay naging sakop na tayo ng srivijaya at majapajit empire.
kaya naniniwala ako na ang pagpapalipad ng mga ibong langay-langayan ay isang simbolo upang himukin ang nasa itaas ng kanyang nililiparan na maghulog na ng tubig.
mali ba ako?
kung hindi naman, kailangan natin na pag-aralan ng kasaysayan ng mga tikbalang.
sinasabi noong panahon ng kalusmos musmos, ang pagpapakasal ng isang tikbalang at magdudulot ng ulan.
kung ambon lang? bakit hindi tayo magkasal ng maraming o sandamakmak na tikbalang?
kaya’t ang sinasabi mo na ang pagdarasal ay siyang naging dahilan ng pag-ulan? alam ko na kung saan nanggaling yan?
wala pa ang mga Jesuita sa lupain na sinilangan ng ating mga founding fathers, ay may katutubo na tayong paniniwala.
kaya nga ang pagdarasal ay dapat na maging dos na diamond yan.
huling hirit ika nga.
ang mga hesuwita ang nagturo sa atin kung papaano tayo magiging submissive sa mga kapuwitsuhan ng mga taga kanluran.
ang pagpapaligo sa pusa ay uulan?
totoo kaya?
sa ngayon nalalapit na ang todo los santos, marami ang mga lumalabas na gabiiiiiiiiii ng laggggiiiiimmmmmm!!!
Nakuha ko Nelbar. Malinaw na malinaw.
We can use Erap’s CD (kung mayroon kayo) wherein the interview with Piggydal is included showing that it really was a planned coup d’etat.