Habang sinusulat ko ito, mga alas tres ng hapon,may mga nagra-rally sa Makati sa harap ng Ninoy Aquino monument sa panulukan ng Ayala Avenue at Paseo de Roxas.
Sabi ng Malaya reporter, mga 5,000 raw ang mga tao. Nandoon sina Bishop Yniquez at Makati Rep. Butz Aquino. Nakita ko sa TV na maraming nawawagayway na bandila. Karamihan ay pula.
Sa rally sa Luneta noong Linggo, medyo napag-usapan na ito ng mga naii-inis sa nangyari doon na hindi man lamang sila makawagayway ng kanilang bandila o magdala ng streamers na magpapahiwatig ng kanilang saloobin laban sa administrasyong Arroyo.
Sinabi ng ABS-CBN reporter na lilipat raw ang mga rallyista sa Freedom Park sa panulukan ng Buendia at Ayala kung saan hindi sila maka-abala ng traffic. Ang kanilang permit ay hanggang hatinggabi ngunit nagkaroon ng panibagong kasunduan ang mga rallyista at ang mga pulis na tapusin nila ng maaga.
Si Makati Mayor Jojo Binay ay maluwag sa mga nagra-rally hindi katulad ni Manila Mayor Lito Atienza na basta kontra kay Gloria Arroyo, hindi niya pinapayagan.
Ngunit inaala-ala rin ni Binay ang kanyang mga constituents na malalaking negosyante. Ang Makati ay ang central business district ng bansa. Malaking mawawala sa mga negosyo kung maabala sila sa traffic.
Ayaw ni Binay na maperwisyo ang mga negosyante dahil baka magsi-alisan yan at pumunta sa ibang lugar.
Ganoon rin ang mga nagsa-shopping. Dahil sa traffic baka iwasan na nila ang Makati at sa ibang shopping center na pupunta. Made-dehado naman ang mga storeowners sa Makati.
Ito ang mga problema na hinaharap ng mga nag-oorganisa ng rally kung saan makapag-palabas ng sama ng loob ang karamihan sa mamamayan. Maganda sana ang inurganisa ng Simbahang Katoliko na rally sa Luneta laban sa Con-Ass dahil sila lang naman ang maa-aring makahingi ng permiso para sa paggamit ng Luneta na maa-aring payagan ni Atienza. Kaya lang napasukan yata ng ahente ng Malacañang at naging malabnaw.
Naging “thanksgiving prayer rally” na kinaiinis ng marami. Sabi nga ni Jay Cynikho, “Galit ka na dahil sa paggahasa sa iyong bayan, tapos sasabihin sa iyo bigla na magdasal at magpasalamat dahil ang nanggahasa sa iyo ay huminto bago ito nag-climax. Ngayon sinasabi na na ipagdasal raw na magbago ng ugali ang nanggahasa.”
Sabi pa ni Jay, “Hindi na hindi ko gagawin na ipagdasal sina Arroyo at De Venecia!”
Sa nangyari noong Linggo, marami sa naninindigan para sa katotohanan at hustisya ang nawalang na ng gana sa simbahan. Nakaka-inis dahil turo sila ng turo na huwag magsinungaling at huwag magnakaw. Tapos ngayong nilalabanan ng taumbayan ang sinungaling at magnanakaw na si Gloria Arroyo, pinipigilan naman nila.
Dapat ikabahala ng simbahan na nawawalan na ng gana sa kanila ang marami sa mamamayang Pilipino.
Hindi ho kaya nakatanggap ng makapal na envelope na naman ang mga grupong ito? Nawawalan na po ako ng gana sa mga naka abitong ito. Kahit na asar ako dati kay Cardinal Sin, kailangang ngayon nga taong bayan ang tulad niya. Di nagpapasindak at nasusuhulan. Binababoy na tayo ng harap harapan, luluhod pa tayo at magdadasal sa harap nila? Kayo na lang.
Ano pa ba ang kailangan nating patunayan? Huling huli na na nakikipagsabwatan sa Comelec official para dayain ang boto, huling huli na sa pagsuhol sa mga local officials sa pamamagitan ni mukhang baboy din na big Joke joc bolante, kitang kita na kung papano babuyin ang saligang batas natin, tutunganga pa rin tayo at magdadasal? Kailangan din ng gawa, hindi lang basta dasal.
My interpretation of the prelates’ thanksgiving mass and prayer for the government could be likened to a mass for Gloria and as I said in a previous post, we should calibrate the so-called opposition to cha-cha rally and call it for what it was, a mass for Gloria and her minions.
The different religious blocs are confusing the faithful with their undecided stand, they either denounce Gloria’s shamelessness in breaching and continuing to breach the Constitution with the right words or they don’t but they really can’t make a half hearted stand.
That will be unfair on the people – hot, cold, hot, cold treatment. In these extremeley difficult and trying times where even the apathetic are being tested and tried for their patience, it will do the faithful no good at all NOT TO KNOW where they should stand, after all when all is said and done, most of our fellowmen still look up to the church for moral guidance.
The church should make a definite stand or stay away from the madding political crowd – they owe it to their congregations not to practice the exercise of Scottish showers…
I can only echo Ellen’s call: DON’T RELY OR DEPEND ON THE CHURCH(es).
the church as an institution is also largely responsible for the maturing monster that is the gma administration. when all sense of decency and morality were being discarded, it chose to look the other way. it fails to understand that it too must show wrath to excorcise the demons it has itself created by its inaction.
if it cannot aid in the cause of redeeming our people, it must step aside and let the people vent its wrath!
we have two major institutions the “represent” our people. the government, which has rot in its core. the other is the church, and it has become a mush committee of fat friars that even reigns in the few remaining leaders within who have decided to stand fast and deliver one clear message: enough!
Sa nakikihamok na may kulay pulitika, hindi talaga dapat umasa lamang sa simbahan. Ang sariling pagkilos at katatagan ng loob ang siyang dapat umiral sa nakikihamok. Binigyan lamang ang simbahan ng kredito sapagkat mula sa isang pagsasawalang kibo, ang lantarang pagpahayag ng CBCP ng pagtutol sa cha-cha ay nagpalakas ng loob sa ibang hanay upang makiisa sa tinawag nilang prayer-rally.
Nasa isinulat ko kahapon ang aking obserbasyon na ang pinaka-unang dahilan bakit konti ang nakilahok sa prayer-rally ay sapagkat naging malambot ang simbahan sa kanilang pagsang-ayon sa kondisyon ng Malacanang. Bagaman at hindi nasusukat sa bilang ng dumalo para tawaging “flop” ang prayer-rally dahil ito naman ay hindi isang pelikula o palabas sa entablado, kung nakipagmatigasan ang mga obispo, maaaring iba ang kwento.
Pero nandoon na yon at hindi na dapat ipagmaktol pa. Tularan natin ang pagpupunyagi ni Ate Ellen. Patuloy ang pilantik ng kanyang panulat kahit may nakaambang panganib. Gayundin tayo. Kumilos yong gustong kumilos sa gawa, sa gawa, sa gawa, tumuntong sa lupa, makihalo, makibaka, hindi puro salita lamang.
Bilang paguulit, ito ang mga dahilan na nakita ko:
10 REASONS WHY FEW PEOPLE WENT TO THE PRAYER RALLY:
1. Many were turned-off with the softening of the bishops. It is aside from the fact that few people really go to hear mass on Sunday nowadays.
2. The result of a massive disinformation campaign by Malacanang’s phone & text brigades.
3. The news that GMA may attend the prayer rally.
4. The threat of the military that politicians and celebrities will be arrested if they will be on stage.
5. The fear that the military and policemen mobilized by Malacanang will not hesitate to kill and maim any rallyist.
6. The prohibition of any speeches touching on politics, displaying of streamers, placards and flags.
7. The threat issued by Malacanang that terrorists or NPA may set off explosives in the crowd.
8. The blockade imposed by the military from all entry points leading to Luneta.
9. The chilling effect of the cold blooded murder of Abra Cong. Bersamin
10. GMA early pronouncement that she’s backing off from pursuing cha-cha and con-ass halted the momentum.
Nakalimutan ko pang idagdag ang pagbabawal sa mga government employees na makihalok sa prayer rally.
Anna, I share yours and the thoughts expressed here by other bloggers for that kind of change that should or might have started with the religious. In a way, there’s some truth to what a guy named Marx had anticipated – “religion is the opiate of the people.”
But it can also work the other way around. It is astonishing that, twice in our history, the Philippines has proved to the world that religion matters in changing (although not completely) the political.
The problem that I see is, that the religious have also been somewhat affected by the divide-and-rule tactic. I would not condemn the institution they represent for that weakness. (I personally don’t like some bishops.) It’s part of the road that leads us to the doorsteps of Malacanan. Sadly, the latter’s evil scheming has gone to all directions and respected no one but itself. Sad still, some bishops are human enough – unable to resist temptation.
Let’s not lose hope. One day, the spirit of Cardinal Sin may wake people up again. I just pray that it will not come late enough, when there is nothing more to hope for.
Mike hit the bull’s eye when he said even though he disliked Cardinal Sin, the country needs someone like Sin. I share his sentiment. And I’ve made that position in this blog earlier. Where’s his most loyal helper and adviser Soc Villegas? Why is Cardinal Vidal so soft now on Gloria? While we salute bishops like Tobias and Cruz, majority of the bishops are behaving like politicians. Envelopes? Oh yes,plenty of those and they keep coming.
I remebered Bishop Bacani said about Marcos after the latters downfall from office. “Si Marcos ay walang b*yag dahil tumakas sya…” not sure about his exact word.
Hmmmm…. I wonder if the organizers (bishops) of the Sunday rally has one?
Anna, Ellen:
It’s time that Filipinos should stop relying on the church, which should be reminded of its religious responsibility instead and the separation church and state for it to stop its usual abuses. In fact, the CBCP should make the Great Switik be responsible for the deaths of 800 victims of military reprisals on her order, wiles and whims. She should be excommunicated in fact for what she has done for example in the last election, and for her blasphemous statements.
God willing her games will soon be over. There were less warm bodies in the Luneta rally because they did not to pray with the priests who would give thanks for the Great Switik because there was nothing to thank for. If the priests said that it would be a rally to denounce the Great Switik, the crowd would definitely be bigger with or without the threats from Malacanang.
You’re right, Ellen, evil will never triumph over good! PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Herewith is a portion of Ernie Maceda’s recent column. As I mentioned much earlier and my view is shared by many, some negotiation and deals could have taken place before the Sunday rally. Since CBCP could no longer back out from the much publicized rally, they tone down the call to “Thanksgiving”. What a BS !
“GMA and her allies did everything to stop the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP)/El Shaddai prayer-rally at the Luneta Park last Sunday afternoon.
After National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales and AFP Chief of Staff Hermogenes Esperon Jr. warned of violence by communist infiltrators to disrupt the rally, and PNP chief Oscar Calderon threatening to arrest politicians and movie stars attending the rally, Malacañang scrambled with no less than GMA and her close aides visiting Bro. Mike Velarde and friendly bishops to stop or downplay their participation.”
Mike, Marcos did not escape. He was kidnapped by the US. He was deceived into believing that he would be taken to Ilocos but ended up in Hawaii. While in Hawaii despite gravely ill, he manifested his desire to return to the country to answer all the charges. However, Cory and her government refused. Gloria tried to do the same trick to Erap by pressuring and convincing him to leave the country after Edsa 2. But, Erap refused to leave. So, unable to pin down Erap with lesser crimes, Gloria and his legal goons came up with “plunder” so he could be indefinitely detained.
we should not be relying on some leaders on the church.they are not God to give us miracle,they are ordinary people like GMA,they can be devil or an angel defending on their conscience..they will be also for their own interest..but there are only few that their concern is for the country and the people!!cardinal rosales and some leaders are blind,deaf and mum when it comes to all the sins and crimes of GMA..since the beginning of this evil admintration of GMA,cardinal rosales and some religious leaders minus villanueva of jil have not said any strong messages on crimes of GMA..they blamed the military on the killings,members of GMA`s cabinet and her military laeaders but not GMA!!like the con ass,where jdv and his bums where all attack left and right up and down almost everyday,but only few connects GMA on all the crimes of jdv and his bums..what are this leaders of the church afraid of from GMA?i think others guess and my guess is the same..the donations and funds that GMA distributes to them is more important than the peoples grievances!!this church leaders are the padre damaso of today!!
here’s that news on Makati rally
from the DT:
Thousands call for Gloria ouster in Makati rally
12/19/2006
Religious leaders and militant and urban poor groups yesterday massed up in Makati City’s financial district demanding President Arroyo’s ouster over her alleged involvement in graft and corruption and extra-judicial killings in the country.
The protesters also condemned the House leadership in its attempt to amend the Constitution.
Makati City Rep. Agapito Aquino said the rally was an offshoot of the people’s outrage against the failed bid of the House of Representatives to change the Constitution through the Constituent Assembly (Con-ass).
“The administration may have sagged a bit on the Con-ass issue but apparently did not completely bury it. That’s why this demonstration is conducted to make sure that the issue is buried for good,” he added.
Taguig Rep. Alan Peter Cayetano, former Vice President Teofisto Guingona Jr., Bishops Antonio Tobias of Quezon City and Deogracias
Iñiguez of Caloocan City supported the call to overthrow the Arroyo administration during the protest attended by an estimated 5,000 rallyists at the Ayala and Paseo de Roxas Avenues.
Iñiguez said the mass action served as a rallying point to consolidate the issues that are still hounding the Arroyo presidency, which could lead to an even massive street action in the days to come.
“We just want to bring together the opposition groups, to unite them for the purpose of achieving our goals,” the bishop added.
Iñiguez stressed yesterday’s rally served as the avenue for the poor to express their outrage and anger against the government, which could lead to Mrs. Arroyo’s ouster.
While the President already gave up on changing the Constitution through Con-ass, the prelate noted that there are still other unresolved issues such as the “Hello Garci” tapes and the fertilizer scandals, the extra-judicial killings and the corruption in government, that remain to be settled.
The Hello Garci audio recording is a political scandal and electoral crisis that involved Mrs. Arroyo, who allegedly rigged the 2004 national elections in her favor while the fertilizer scam involves the President’s alleged bagman, former Agriculture Undersecretary Jocelyn “Joc-joc” Bolante, who has been accused of illegally disbursing some P728 million in fertilizer funds, also during the elections.
The amount was purportedly used to ensure the victory of Arroyo. Another P1.4 billion in disbursements remain to be audited.
Among the groups that attended the rally were the Kilusang Makabansang Ekonomiya, Akbayan, People’s Movement Against Poverty, Movement for Truth and Justice, Movement for National Democracy and Kilusang Mayo Uno.
According to them, the protest was in response to a call by Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines president Archbishop Angel Lagdameo to “watch and pray” against attempts to amend the Charter.
Ben Gines Jr.
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YAN SANA ANG HEADLINE NG NEWS NG RALLY
NG MGA OBISPONG KAPON NA PUEDENG MAG ANAK.
MGA SALITA AT ISIPANG GALING
SA BULOK NA UTAK:
“It was successful in the sense that the rally was peaceful and prayerful. That was our concern,” Msgr. Pedro Quitorio, spokesman for the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), said.
“The number is not important to us, what is important is the message. We knew that will happen but it’s not something that we put some substance to because if we really want to, we can still reach that number by calling the parishes and organizations. But we didn’t do it,” he stressed.
“Value transformation is at the root of the public’s clamor for change and the national leadership has always recognized this vital aspect of nation-building,” he said.
value transformation? nation-building?
galing sa bibg ng criminal? mabuti pa
ang mga mental retardates may pang unawa.
While the Church welcomed Mrs. Arroyo’s statement, Quitorio said they are hoping the President would put to action her promises.
WHAT PROMISES?
GAGO NA, TANGA PA.
Tama ka talaga, Ellen. Sa kasalukuyang mga pangyayari, ilang ulit ng ipinakita ng Simbahan na mahusay lang sila sa salita pero hindi sa gawa! Katulad din sila ng mga Opposition na nangangailangan ng isang Leader, na magdadala sa lahat ng nasasakupan. Isang leader na walang takot at may paninindigan. Wala sa mga Obispong naroon noong Linggo ang may karisma na makakaharap kay Gloria at sasabihan ito na mali ang ginagawa niya. HINDI NA TATABLAN SI GLORIA NG MGA PRAYERS ANUMANG KARAMI ANG MANANALANGIN DITO! Hindi ba totoo ang kasabihang: Nasa Diyos ang Awa nasa tao ang gawa? Aba’y umpisahan na ang gawa at ng matapos na!
This should read: God willing her games will soon be over. There were less warm bodies in the Luneta rally because they did not WANT to pray with the priests, WHO DID NOT PROBABLY WANT TO LOSE THE SPECIAL PRIVILEGE THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN RE PCSO FUNDS THAT THE GREAT SWITIK COULD ORDER STOPPED.
If the priests said that it would be a rally to denounce the Great Switik, the crowd would definitely be bigger with or without the threats from Malacanang, WITH OR WITHOUT US HELP.
Funny, Anna, how the Filipinos have been conditioned to credit even their own accomplishments to the Americans, who were actually not that benevolent judging from the interviews that we have made with those surviving members of the Sakdalistas prior to WWII, the same group of Filipinos who supported the movement for a free Philippines in the 20’s and 30’s, and reason for the song “Bayan Ko” that was composed in the 30’s and made a symbol of the Aquino movement in the 80’s.
At least, over in Japan, we do not lick the asses of Americans the way Filipinos have been brainwashed to do as they treat the Americans as their saviors and their demi-gods! No, I am not being anti-American. I’m simply staying a fact.
ystakei Says:
Anna, Ellen:
It’s time that Filipinos should stop relying on the church, which should be reminded of its religious responsibility instead and the separation church and state …
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The church is already going out on a limb as it is, considering the theory of separation of church and state. I think Ellen means that we should not rely TOTALLY on the church. It is still the responsibility of We, the People, to bring the hammer down on the pretender by the murky river.
Ang tanging action ng dapat gawin ng Nazing gloriang iyan ay mag resign na sapagkat una sa lahat, hindi sya ang nanalo sa election. Siya ang puno’t dulo kung bakit nagkaka letse letse ang bansang Pilipinas. Biro mo pumangalawa na tayo sa pinaka corrupt na bansa. Nakakahiya. At may mukha pang ihaharap ang pangit na bansot na iyan na bumubuti ang Pilipinas. Ah… LETSE!!!
what leader!!the leader of this country is us,the filipinos..the majority of the filipinos had spoken and they want GMA be ousted..GMA is not the leader of this country!!she had illegaly hijacked the office of the president twice!she had corrupted not only leaders of the church but almost all in the goverment be it in the afp,pnp or other agency,she appointed retired military generals to corrupt,steal and kill for her just to stay in power!!and even people in the media`s are paid just to write news that is suite for her and her legions of evil,if you write any articles be it the truth but it is not for their own good you end up in court for a libel or be killed and kidnapped!this scenario of who will replaced GMA or who will be our leader that will lead us is one of their old antic and tactics or a psychological warfare as if GMA is the choosen one to lead this country!!this antics are all the gimmicks since time immemorial!! jesus was condemed for being a false leaders and mesiah..other leader leads with iron hand like hitler,mussonilli,saddam and marcos to name a few to stay in power..the people revolt and they were ousted!we filipinos must be united and not be distructed that who would led us..it is us who would led for GMA`s immediate ousting!there will always be a good men a good filipinos that will do everything so evil will not triumph!!let us all pray fo this..for the good of this nation!!! God bless us filipinos and God bless the philippines!!
Ayan na nga ba ang sinasabi ko baga bumaliktad ang simbahan at el shaddai. Parang meron nangyaring cash-sunduan bago magrally. Hindi baleng ang sina-santo ng mga Pidals ay “PERA”, pero ang simbahan, nakikisanto na rin yata sa pera, mahabagin!! Teka, sabi ng simbahan, character change, hindi ba nila alam na kung magulang na ang tao (magulang as in aged and/or greedy), hindi na iyan mababago lalo na kung nakalakihan na iyan na ugali at pagkatao. So, ngayon, walang may ‘K’ na taga simbahan, o baka si Obispo Cruz ng Pangasinan ang pag-asa sa kanila. Magrally na lang ang mga pinoys sa Dagupan, tutal taga duon din si Devilnecia.
“It was successful in the sense that the rally was peaceful and prayerful. That was our concern,” Msgr. Pedro Quitorio, spokesman for the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), said.
“The number is not important to us, what is important is the message. We knew that will happen but it’s not something that we put some substance to because if we really want to, we can still reach that number by calling the parishes and organizations. But we didn’t do it,” he stressed.
If the above quotes are accurate, taken to the extreme, ang tanong ko ay: “bakit nag-rally pa?” E di isa na lang sa mga obispo, puedeng tumayo sa Luneta grandstand at magsalita, basta covered ng isa man lang tabloid reporter. E di ok na rin basta naibulalas ang mensahe.
Still, dun sa mga sumali sa rally, salamat!
“The number is not important to us, what is important is the message. We knew that will happen but it’s not something that we put some substance to because if we really want to, we can still reach that number by calling the parishes and organizations. But we didn’t do it,” he stressed.
As per Msgr. Quitorio statement. Pari kayo at mahirap murahin kahit tao lang kayo na nagkakamali. Ang tanong ko na lang ay ganito, kailan nyo pa tatawagin ang mga miyembro nyo kung wala nang maibibibay ang mga hayup na pidal na yan? Kung ang bawat isa sa atin ay pagma may ari na ng Tsina? Kitang kita nyo na ang pangga gahasa sa saligang batas natin. Rinig na rinig nating ang kagaguhang ginawa ng gloriang iyan nung mandaya siya sa 2004 election kasabwat ang mga buwayang heneral tulad nila esperon at iba pa, hindi pa kayo manghihikayat ng tunay na pagbabago? O ano, luluhuran lang natin? MGA DUWAG AT MUKHANG PERA!!! Pinupuri ko ang mga tulad nila Bishop Tobias at Cruz at iba pang magigiting na pinuno ng simbahan na na napapailing na lang sa mga kahinaan ng loob ng mga iba nilang kasama at talagang nakikiisa sa aming panggigigil sa demonyo at pekeng pangulo ng Pilipinas. Sabi nga sa bibiliya, you’re either hot or cold. Huwag kayong gumitna. NAKAKAHIYA!!!
Nanawagan ang simbahan na magpalit ng ugali ang politikos, mulat mulat pa no-on, walang sumosunod. Nanawangan ang simbahan magpalit na nang ugali ang kabihasnan bayan, walang sumosunod. Nanawagan ang simbahan na magpalit na nang ugali sila mismo, walang sumosunod. Kapanahonan pa nang katsila ay di na maasahan yang simbahan. sila mismo, hindi nang palit ng “character”, paano susundin ang panawagan. Di na kailangan manawagan ang simbahan, kong sila mismo ang mag-una magpalit ng ugali. Maitanong lang, ano ang ginagawa nang simbahan sa problema nang “population explosion” na isa rin dahilan sa paghirap ng bayan? Ano ang ginagawa ng simbahan sa kayamanan ng pag-aari nila mulat mula panahon pa ni Padre Damaso, lumalago pa ata? Bago manawagan ang simbahan at mag-asa na susonod ang manga taong bayan, itanong muna sa sarili nila, tayo ba ay tamang ehemplo sa manga masa? Pag sagot ay oo, baka sakali..
Mang Vic, nanawagan kamo ang simbahan pero walang sumunod? Paano naman susunod ang mga tao kung ang simbahan mismo ang sinungaling? Puro ngawa walang gawa. Sa tutoo niyan, niloloko na tayo nila. Wala naman inaaatupag iyan kundi ang mag-sermon at mangolekta ng pera. Puro sermon pero sila itong unang lumalabag. Bawal ang diborsiyo pero karamihan ay mga Katoliko din ang naghihiwalay. Wala ngang divorce sa atin pero may marriage annulment naman. Ibang salita pero pareho din ang resulta. Bakit puwedeng balewalain ng Pari ang kasal? Karamihan iyon pang may kaya dahil may katumbas na bayad ang annulment. Kaya ang mga naririnig natin nag-annul ay mga artista at celebrities. Bawal ang gay marriage pero may mga Pari ang nagkakasal ng mga bakla din. Hindi lang iyan, may mga Paring bakla. Bawal daw ang makialam sa pulitika pero namimili ang simbahan kung sino ang kakampihan. Ay naku, kaya nga simula nang nabanas ako sa kanilang ginagawa, hindi na ako nag-aabuloy. Di niyo lang alam kung ilan simbahan ang naipatayo ko mula Aparri hanggang Sulo.
Hi Good Morning! you see I did wake up this morning, god is good (Laffin).
As for me I’ve been reading many comments about Luneta last Sunday but found it difficult to agree totally with the writer mainly on the views given of the church participation. Todays Editorial “Empty Intelligence’ in the Daily Tribune by Ninez Olivares says it all for me. I think its because maybe she has the professional ability to write about the participation of the church without appearing to be swayed by religious feelings that she may or may not have.
Pinaka-maiksing comment sa itaas, 3 lines.
Ako, ang masasabi ko this morning: GRRRRR!!!!
Heto pa: !#$%^^&&*&*()__+
The church don’t practice what they preach.just a few months ago the catholic church went to an undisclosed amount of settlement to those sexually abused victims of a flesh thirsty clergymen.Where do the church got the money?
Cocoy, it’s no longer news…about the priests’ sex crimes. In the US alone, millions of dollars were spent in settling cases committed by Catholic priests. And these abuses and crimes have never widely exposed in the past. Today’s media helps exposed their crimes. Centuries ago, those who were critical of these priests were arrested, jailed and killed. I think most members here are wide readers and quite knowledgeable about church history. Of course some would still be offended by such accusation even if true.
npongco;
Now,we agree in one thing.Sometimes,we got offended but somehow thier is some comprimise.We need to keep this blog to bridge the crusade in seeking the truth and enlighten the offender.Thanks my friend
After all has been said about the priests, let us all also acknowledge the “other” priests who I believe must have also felt disgusted with the turn-out of the rally. Some of these priest are Oscar Cruz, Tobias, Iniquez, Dizon, et al. The names I mentioned are at the forefront in lambasting GMA during the controversial “Hello Garci” scandal, some of them even joined rallies and were hosed down by GMA’s police.
Unfortunately, their situation is very much like the minority congressmen in the House Of Representative. They were outnumbered by the majority in the “House Of God”.
I cant understand this CBCP. On JULY 2005 Pastoral statement, they urge the people to discern, search for truth according to the gospel with regards to the issue of Hello garci “In a spirit of humility and truth, we declare our prayerfully discerned collective decision that we do not demand her resignation. Yet neither do we encourage her simply to dismiss such a call from others.”
..the impeachment was trashed and the truth was never heard…..On January 2006, they said to continue searching for truth, “We recommend that the search for truth be relentlessly pursued through structures and processes mandated by law and our Constitution,” they said adding that such probe should be led by “credible people, persons of integrity and probity….Lately this July 2006 they issued a pastoral statement saying that impeachment process is not the rigth process which cound find the truth..they said “Unless the process and its rules as well as the mindsets of all participating parties, pro and con, are guided by other than genuine concern for the common good, impeachment will once again serve as an unproductive political exercise, dismaying every citizen, and deepening the citizen’s negative perception of politicians? left, right and center,” then this month they have this strongly worded statement with regards to Con-ass “fraudulently illegitimate and scandalously immoral” and “perceivably self-serving.”…yung hindi ko maintindihan dito eh kung saan ba talaga ang CBCP.. isa lang ang dapat na maging issue dito… Supportado ba nila sa GMA or hindi. Based sa mga statement nila sila yung nagpapalabo ng sitwasyon.. majority ng mga pinoy ayaw kay GMA, alam yung mga kasalanan nya at gusto ng matanggal sa puwesto… pero i doubt kung nagbubulag bulagan lang ang mga obispo like cardinal rosales, vidal, arguelles,.. pero hindi ko pa narinig na nanawagan ang CBCP na bumaba si gloria… or baga kasabwat din sila (except to others) sa tingin ko yung mga statement ng CBCP abstract lahat ay pabor kay GMA, they just confuse the people, they just cool off the people, drawing lang walang direction dahil puro salita lang, sila ang sumalba kay GMA nung July 2005 na sana malapit ng bumagsak kung that time they sided with the people. at ngayong december sila rin ang nagsalba kay GMA, instead protest rally ang gaganapin sa luneta eh naging thanksgiving rally… sumali pa kasi yan si rosales alam naman ng lahat ng pro-GMA yan, takot kay GMA yan, iwan ko lang, wala akong dapat ipagpasalamat sa kanila except to those who strongly and publicly denouce gloria ..(kilala na natin sila)…I realized that the church is one of the major obstable for us to getaway from this political crisis coz our church leaders are the one dont have a strong stand towards the right direction..
How I wished there was a speaker the likes of RC in that rally. Renato Constantino, all by his lonesome in that press conference, delivered his message loud and clear in elegant language right into the faces of De Venecia and his Con Men. The message didn’t take more than a minute, but it reverberated througout the land. Now that’s quality by a quantity of one!
But anyway, got to be grateful for little blessings. The Church tried to do battle their way, with one hand tied behind their backs. The public prefers doing it with two.
But anyway, got to be grateful for little blessings. The Church tried to do battle their way, with one hand tied behind their backs. The public prefers doing it with two.
…Phil, I also think the church’s one hand is tied being her back; but the other hand reaches out with open palm (for envelope?). And the reason why the public prefers the church’s two hands being tied at the back is to prevent the church from reaching out the two open hands. Get it?
change ako ng nick kasi palagi invalid ang password ko.
Anyway, I agree with the observations with the bloggers here. Whats with CBCP? Sana dapat balck and white sila. Kung ayaw nila sa administrasyung ito eh di sabihin nila. Hindi yung malamya, atras abante ang posisyon nila, parang cha cha.
Kala ko nagbago na ang CBCP, pareho din pala. Thanksgiving rally. Ano ba? Mag thanksgiving tayo kapag na putbol na sa Malakanyang ang da Great Switik.
Gusto akong sumigaw pero di daw pwede dahil walang political speeches. Haay naku, nakakaloko itong CBCP.
tinatawanan na naman tayo ng bayarang surot na laging sumisingit kapag nakakaisa ang baliw na babae sa malakanyang. sigurado ako, biglang susulpot ang singaw na ‘yun.
The masses could best be mobilized when they see a clear and dangerous confrontation on the streets between Malacanang and the progressives. By then the religious groups could ride on the hysteria and egg the masses (and even the military) to risk their lives. Hmmm. Let’s first focus on the results rather than on the process.
CBCP REJECTED CALLS FOR ARROYO TO STEP DOWN
MANILA, July 11, 2005 (STAR) – The Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) rejected yesterday calls for President Arroyo to step down, handing the embattled Chief Executive a major reprieve after weeks of turmoil.
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BISHOPS DIVIDED ON IMPEACHMENT
MANILA, June 27, 2006 (STAR) – The Catholic hierarchy appears divided over the issue of a second impeachment complaint against President Arroyo.
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EL SHADAI LEADER BACKS CBCP STAND ON IMPEACHMENT
MANILA, JULY 13, 2006 (STAR) – El Shaddai leader Bro. Mike Velarde joined the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) yesterday in opposing the impeachment process as a means to arrive at truth behind unresolved poll fraud charges against President Arroyo.
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CBCP: NO TO IMPEACHMENT
MANILA, JULY 11, 2006 (STAR) – Roman Catholic bishops refused yesterday to support the opposition’s renewed attempt to impeach President Arroyo, describing the process as an “unproductive political exercise,” but stressed it respects the position of those who want to pursue it.
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CBCP STILL WON’T JOIN PROTESTS VS ARROYO
MANILA, September 21, 2005 (STAR) – There is no possibility that the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) will change its position on the political crisis because the Roman Catholic Church is making efforts to promote political reconciliation, a ranking Church official said yesterday.
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CATHOLIC BISHOPS STICKING TO STAND ON GMA
MANILA, November 9, 2005 (STAR) – The Roman Catholic Church is unlikely to change its earlier position rejecting calls for President Arroyo to step down despite major changes in the leadership of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), a bishop disclosed yesterday.
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LOCAL EXECS LAUD NEW CBCP PRESIDENT FOR SHUNNING POLITICS
MANILA, November 15, 2005 (STAR) – A group of local executives lauded yesterday new Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) president and Iloilo Archbishop Angel Lagdameo for his liberal but cautious appreciation of the problems affecting the Church and State.
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CBCP CLARIFIES NOT AGAINST CHA-CHA /GMA, CABINET ON 2-DAYRETREAT
MANILA, APRIL 11, 2006 (STAR) – The Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) said it is not against Cha-cha or Charter change, though it is not in favor of current efforts to rapidly carry out proposed amendments to the 1987 Constitution without proper consultations with the people.
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CEBU ARCHBISHOP AGAINST PEOPLE’S INITIATIVE, ONE VOICE SAYS
MANILA, June 30, 2006 (STAR) Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal has expressed support for a non-partisan movement against the people’s initiative endorsed by the Arroyo administration to push for Charter change.
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MALACAÑANG TO BISHOPS: RESPECT SEPARATION OF CHURCH, STATE
MANILA, June 29, 2006 (STAR) – Malacañang called on Catholic bishops involved in the impeachment bid against President Arroyo to respect the constitutional policy on the separation of Church and State.
FVR: I WON’T JOIN OPPOSITION
MANILA, January 6, 2006 (STAR) – Former President Fidel Ramos belittled speculation yesterday that he was parting ways with President Arroyo and joining the opposition.
“You want me to join you?” Ramos asked the opposition during an interviewer on ABS-CBN. “Why don’t you do something better? You join me in trying to create a one, national Philippines.”
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BRO. MIKE, MANALO, VIDAL INVITED TO COUNCIL MEETING
MANILA, January 9, 2006 (STAR) – The country’s influential religious leaders have been invited to join the Council of State meeting on Jan. 24 and sit among the nation’s leaders and statesmen to chart the country’s direction.
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HOUSE OPPOSITION TO BACK CHA-CHA IF GMA QUITS
MANILA, January 11, 2006 (STAR) – The opposition said it would be open to supporting the Cha-cha (Charter change) initiative if President Arroyo accepts former President Fidel Ramos’ call for her to step down in June next year, House Minority Leader Francis Escudero said yesterday.
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GMA CONFIDENT CHEATING ALLEGATIONS WILL DIE NATURAL DEATH
MANILA, January 13, 2006 (STAR) – President Arroyo expressed confidence yesterday that the vote-rigging allegations against her would soon die a “natural death” once the Supreme Court confirms her victory in the bitterly contested 2004 presidential election.
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NOLI OPEN TO SHORTER TERM
MANILA, January 17, 2006 (STAR) – Vice President Noli de Castro said yesterday he is willing to cut his term short if that is what it takes to ensure Charter change — provided that the Filipino people say so in a proper forum.
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FOR OR AGAINST GMA: MAGDALO LEADER SAYS IT’S TIME T0 TAKE SIDES
MAKATI CITY, January 18, 2006 (MALAYA) – A LEADER of the Magdalo group that staged the short-lived Oakwood mutiny in July 2003 yesterday said it was time for the people to decide on whether President Arroyo should remain in power.
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PALACE: NO COUP WILL SUCCEED
MANILA, January 22, 2006 (STAR) By Aurea Calica – Malacañang maintained yesterday that any coup attempt at this time is unlikely to succeed for lack of support from the people.
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GMA LOSING AFP SUPPORT, SAY BISHOP
MANILA, January 25, 2006 (MALAYA) A CATHOLIC Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) official on Tuesday claimed that President Arroyo’s grip on the military is coming loose as he confirmed that politics will be on the agenda when local Church leaders meet for its 92nd plenary assembly this weekend at the Pope Pius Center at UN Avenue in Manila.
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ANTI-ARROYO GROUPS, BUOYED BY CBCP STAND, LINK UP
MANILA, February 1, 2006 (MALAYA) ANTI-ARROYO groups spanning a broad political spectrum yesterday took a big step toward unification as they came out with a joint statement pressing for the resignation of President Arroyo.
The groups ranged from President Joseph Estrada’s supporters and Fernando Poe Jr. campaigners to the leftist groups Bayan and Sanlakas, from Bro. Eddie Villanueva’s Bangon Pilipinas to the De La Salle University community and the Ateneo at Lahat Na Po movement, and from the United Opposition to the Black and White Movement.
The Church seems to be saying that they don’t want gulo…that this battle is a moral battle, not a physical battle. So pray tell, dear Bishops, how exactly do you plan to change the morals of The Immoral One? Her motto seems to be “Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me.”
19 December 2006
For ones, It’s not that I dont want to rely anymore on the church, but what I like them to state is, for them to make a categorical stament regarding the present and past situation, meaning what is really their positions in the 2001 removal from office of then sitting president estrada, the questionable election in 2004, the hello garci issue, the proclamation of gloria and noli, the fertilizer scams and a lo9t more…. now its chacha. The problem right now with the church, her in the Philippines, you dont know what the church really wants???
prans
ang simbahan ay para sa sambahan o dasalan.the more we rely on others the more we get disappointed when things donot turn out as we expected.in politics however we must rely on each other, people who have the same intentions as us.most of the bloggers here want to kick gma’s ass out of office but how.its good to hear analysis when things are over but we should also try to figure things out like how.we must also learn how to win over people who does not seem to think like us, otherwise we are losing not only time but the future of the pinas.
prans,
hindi pa ba maliwanag sayo na ang loyalty o katapatan ng simbahang katoliko ay hindi sa sambayanang pilipinas?
sino ba ang las islas filipinas at ang papa sa roma(vatican church)?
hindi na natuto o talagang uto-uto!
15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
We happen to have a passive Catholic church leader. Let us give him the credit for even officiating the mass in Luneta. It must be awfully frustrating for the other bishops who want to have reforms. The people then have to rely less on the church. But what would happen now when we have a very weak military( led by tiyanak’s goons), a very weak religious group, a very strong immoral president and a headless opposition? Kawawa talaga tayo! We have to put all our heads together and come up with a solution. The only hope we may have is the upcoming May 2007 elections. But recently, I read in a Newsbreak article that most of the comelec biggies were appointed by the tiyanak. A re-make of the “hello Garci” may be in the offing again. Our Supreme Court is also predominatly Glue’s appointees. So we are doomed! Glue even wants to help the church change our character!!!It will be a disaster!!!!Worse than the state we are in now.
The only hope we have is a God given solution. I wonder what Glue did in Hongkong for a week? The best liver doctor in Asia comes from there! I am also wondering about the frequent St Luke’s visits. You get the point. Maybe this will be the ultimate answer to everyone’s prayer!
From Nathaniel Contreras:
Nathaniel Contreras to me
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Hello Ate Ellen,
Nabasa ko ulit yung blog mo sa google about the Prayer rally last Sunday.
I am sad to read that many of those who contributed ideas about what happened do not
know what is going on.
The Bishops are Bishops. They are not the Catholic Church. If through the moral teachings
of the Church will be considered, in the entire history of the Catholic Church, she through
the Pope even declared war against those who are against the truth. There were a lot who
are against justice which the Church always upholds. Taking back the Holy Land from the
Muslims is an endeavor that many died. One even had a vision and founded a congregation.
If the visible church could only speak, she will shout and would even tell us to dethrone
an illigitimate authority who stole the presidency not only once but twice.
Unfortunately, we do have a lot of bishops and clergy who have no principles at all.
I am hurt everytime people would throw accusations against the church. They should
throw their accusations to the heirarchy not to the church. The heirarchy is not the church.
A bishop is not the Catholic church.
If Gloria is an infidel, I do think, with the help of the Holy Ghost, through the Pope, the church will declare a war against the infidels. She is mocking a very respectable position
from which God has given His blessing. But since she is illigitimate, she has to be thrown
out from the throne of the representative of God.
Kindly tell the readers of the blog to please stop making their accusations against the
church. The church didnt do anythng wrong. But the heirarchy is doing a lot of mess
that is why the church is in crisis and that is really wrong.
Nakakainis lang po talaga na mayroon tayong mga pari ng simbahan na walang
prinsipyong pinaninindigan. Sabi nga ni Fr. Manuel Piñon, they no longer have what we
call theology. What they have at present is tae-ology.
Sa isang banda, may punto din ang mga obispo noong nakaraang Linggo. Tama lang na
ipagdasal natin ang mga lider ng ating bayan. Di lang dapat yun, dapat ipagdasal natin ang
isat-isa dahil di lang naman si pandak at mga alipores nya ang kailangan ng character
change. Tayo, bilang mamayan ng Pilipinas at mga anak ng Diyos, kailangan din natin
ang character change kung gusto nating umunlad ang Pilipinas. Dahil, kahit siguro
sinong magaling na Presidente ang ilagay natin sa pwesto, kung walang suporta ng
mamayan para sa katarungang panlipunan para umunlad ang bayan at magkaroon ng
kapayapaan, mauuwi din sa wala ang pinaghirapan nating pagbabago sa liderato sa
gobyerno. We all know that prayer works a lot, but only if we are sincere.
Kung magdadasal tayo, unahin siguro dapat nating ang mga tauhan ng simbahan para
maturuan tayo ng tama. Para kung gumawa man tayo ng paraan sa isinusulong nating
pagbabago, alam nila ang kanilang gagawin na hindi labag sa batas ng Diyos at batas
ng bansa. Kung walang prinsipyo at mali ang pananampalataya ng pinakikinggan natin,
malabong makagawa din tayo ng tama. Sabi nga ni Fr. Piñon, its not Theology anymore,
its tae-ology. Kung may matino pang Obispo ng simbahang Katoliko, bilang na lang yan
sa daliri. Sayang wala na po si Msgr. Lazo. May masasabi sya dito sa mga nangyayari sa
atin at yun ay hindi sa opinion na lang. Yan ay turo ng Simbahang Katoliko.
the softening of the bishops’ stand can be attributed to the fact that they are actually part of the ruling triumvirate which had oppressed our people for so long.
do not expect them to be advocates of change in status quo. the church hierarchy will always be advocates of ultraconservatism. they do not want to yield their power, their previlege or their wealth.
in this orwellian world of ours, the inner ruling circle will protect their turf at all cost and the masses be damned.
the bishops are part of this inner circle; the others are the tusong politiko and the economic pacmans.
Mr Contreras is absolutely spot on!
These bishops are NOT THE CHURCH! They represent the Church. To me, in reality the CHURCH is Jesus Christ and the entire congregation of the faithful that includes the clergy.
That’s why most often when I refer to the various religious blocs, including the Roman Catholic Church, I simply write in small letters wheneve I remember, church(es).
I am a Roman Catholic and am proud to be one but my being a Roman Catholic does not prevent me from castigating another R Catholic when I feel or believe that said R Catholic has stepped out of line (said R Catholic could do the same to me if he/she feels I’ve stepped out of line too).
I am a Filipino and proud to be one too but my being a Filipino doesn’t take away my moral right to be ashamed of compatriot, purporting to be a leader of the Filipino nation who is a known thief, an inveterate liar and a brazen cheat going by the name of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.
In that context, I believe we should toe the line and be reminded of what Mr Contreras said, the Filipino bishops are NOT the Roman Catholic Church.
mula nang magpakasangkapan ang mga obispo sa mandarayang baliw na babae sa malakanyang ay nakaladkad na pati ang kabanalan ng simbahang katoliko. ilang beses na silang pumayag na suhulan at hindi maikakailang nangingibabaw ang pagiging normal na tao sa likod ng suot na abito.
kung tutuusin ay labag sa doktrina ng simbahan ang bumatikos nang lantaran laban sa mga mapagsamanatala, partikular na ang mga pang-aabuso ni gloria, subalit huwag naman sanang nakaambang nakaturo ang kanang kamay sa langit bilang simbolo ng kabanalan ni hesus subalit ang kaliwang kamay naman ay pumapayag sa pagtanggap ng pampalubag loob upang huwag ituloy ang batikos.
kunsabagay, tao nga!
A watered-down, “slap on the wrist” “thanksgiving” message from the CBCP to Arroyo and her cohorts will never be taken seriously by either this corrupt illegitimate administration or the anti-Arroyo groups.
Want to call another anti-Arroyo rally, CBCP? Only if you mean it.
Yikes! Kayang kaya ni Gloria bolahin itong mga bishops…
Maski mag-confess sa kanila si Gloria ng mga kasalanan niya, maski murder pa nga, ano ang magagawa nila? Wala!
Bound and gagged sila by Confesionnal secrecy, so no dice.
Anna:
Hindi nabola, natakot! I bet you that the Great Switik must have threatened to stop the PCSO to the CBCP if the priests there would not heed her call. Ganoon katindi!
KAWAWANG BANSA! PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA! SIPAIN NA ANG MGA BUGOK!
Kaya tama si Ellen, don’t depend much on the clergy to fight the fight of the nation! When it comes to the crunch and I don’t want to belittle their efforts, the members of the clergy can only fight this government on a limited basis – they cannot go on the physical onslaught and rightly so.
I never did depend on the clergy to fight all the way through, not even when His Political Turbulence, Cardinal Sin (may his soul rest in peace) was the no. 1 member of the Roman Catholic clergy in Pinas.
Can’t blame the clergy either – they have a moral calling steeped in the peace dogma. But on the moral aspect of the fight, they can go the whole hog or stay away and should lead the battle from the power of the pulpit.
Oh well, bottom line is it’s never easy and as Chabeli said, good doesn’t always come easy!
Yuko,
I don’t know kung NATAKOT sila, can’t say I believe na natakot sila.
Kung totoo man na natakot sila, well, tao lang sila. Maski si Peter na disciple ni Jesus, natakot din so ok lang.
I think, the real thing ay na-switik sila ni Gloria (borrowing your expression), heheheh!
where the church’s interest is threatened by national and/or political issues, their main line of engagement will always be pacifying the collective indignation of a long oppressed and suffering people.
hindi lang actually si gloria labandera and nanginginig ang tumbong ngayon, pati ang institutional church ay nanginginig na rin because they know that close to 400 years of Catholicism in this country has not brought us anywhere near the kingdom of heaven. like most latin american countries colonized by the spaniards through the praile, the social and economic divide is largely the creation of an oppressive religious culture which says ok lang maging mahirap dito sa mundo kasi meron namang langit na naghihintay sa dako pa roon pag na dedbol ka na. yan din ang dahilan kung bakit ok lang sa kanila lumubo ang populasyon at marami pa ang maghihirap.
>like most latin american countries colonized by the
>spaniards through the praile, the social and economic
>divide is largely the creation of an oppressive religious
>culture which says ok lang maging mahirap dito sa mundo
>kasi meron namang langit na naghihintay sa dako pa roon
>pag na dedbol ka na. yan din ang dahilan kung bakit ok
>lang sa kanila lumubo ang populasyon at marami pa ang
>maghihirap.
tumpak!
sino ba ang nararapat sa panahon? si john lennon(heaven and hell) ba o si rodrigo duterte(on population)?
iyan ang isa sa mga agenda ng simbahang katoliko, ang dumami o lumaki ang populasyon ng mga kristyano sa pinas!
ok lang na umalis ng bansa, mambuntis(ang mga lalaki) o magpabuntis(mga babae) sa ibang bansa dahil uuwi naman dito sa pilipinas ang mga yan.
pagdating ng panahon ay babalik din yan sa bansang pilipinas at ihahayag o paninindigan nila pati na ang kanilang mga supling na sila raw ay mga kristyano!
sad but true o truth hurts?
Nelbar,
It would be good if the population explosion in the Philippines could be addressed… it’s a mathemathical impossibility for economy to grow and to allow such artificial growth to benefit the population when the population growth surpasses it by 10 to one.
NELBAR
thanks for the compiled
newsettes/titles. HARD
and dedicated work yan.
god bless and good health
to you.
kaming mga OFW na narito sa malayong lupain na hindi kasama ang mga mahal namin sa buhay ay pinipilit labanan ang pangungulila at nagkakasya na lamang sa pagpapalubag ng damdamin na ang mga naiwan sa pilipinas ay hindi dumaranas ng gutom at nakapag-aaral kahit paano ang mga anak. ligaya na sa amin ang maibsan ng bigat na pasanin ang mga taong sa amin ay umaasa na nagbabata rin ng kalungkutan bunga ng pagkakalayo sa isa’t isa. magkakatulad ang katwiran na kung patuloy lamang na mananatili sa pilipinas ay walang katiyakang kakain ng tatlong beses maghapon dala ng kawalan ng sapat na pagkakakitaan.
ang nakakalungkot na kalagayang ito, kung tutuusin ay sapat na upang ang kasalukuyang administrasyon ay magpakita ng tunay na pagkalinga at malasakit sa mga mamamayang patuloy na nagsasakripisyo upang makatulong sa patuloy na pag-usad ng kabuhayan ng bansa. subalit hindi! sa halip na tablan ng hiya, patuloy ang mga namumuno sa kanilang pagwawalanghiya!!!!
na parang kinukunsinti pa ng mga alagad ng simbahan!
I partly agree with what this Nathaniel Contreras wrote. Yes, the bishop or bishops is not the Catholic Church. That’s the usual excuse. But the Bible is clear in its teaching; that is, they must practice what they preach. This brings us now to the question if indeed the church (Catholic Church) is a true church of God. For to identify if a church is true and of God, we must see what kind of leaders and preachers that church have. A blind cannot guide another blind. A liar cannot accuse another one of lying. Nelbar was so patient for his research and compilation of Catholic Church’s announcements over the years as posted above. Indeed, the church’s decisions and actions have been one of inconsistency and contradictions for decades or centuries. They are even reflected in the doctrines they teach. The church claims and believes in the Pope’s infallibility. But, history tells us the many errors and mistakes committed by these Popes. Sometimes, I would like to believe one INC teaching that struck me: The Church and Christ are inseperable. The Pope and the Bishops who represent Christ are supposed to be united with His Body, the Church. So, how can we reason out by stating that the Bishop is not the Catholic Church?
Bishops are human beings like anybody else!
The religious blocs that hold some kind of moral sway over Philippine politics are being led by men.
The INC leadership and their members are no exception. They are men and women who are capable of sinning much like any human being.
The Catholic Church per se groups under it the Anglicans and the Roman Catholics as well.
I expected the kind of excuse given by Anna above. That, the bishops are human beings. If we always use the same excuse in defending these God’s servants’ wrong doings, where do we go? We just have too many apologists, I mean Catholic apologists. I used to be one. But later, when I discovered that I was defending these people who never change their ways, my perception changed. The Pope is the successor of Peter. The priests who wear Christ’s clothing represent Christ in their day to day spiritual duties. We expect them to be above mere human beings. Assuming that we accept their being humans and humans commit mistakes (Jesus was the only One Who has not sinned), are we also to accept the mistakes they repeatedly commit? God is clear in His warning to all: One must repent with a sincere heart. God forgives those who repent for their sins (mistakes); but if they keep on committing the same mistakes, God’s anger will be upon them.
npongco,
sa pagkakaalam ko marami rin na “flavors” ang INK:
merong INK Hesus
INK Buhay
INK Kantutuwad(iyong mga humahalik sa lupa)
Iglesia ng Dios
INK – Manalo
at itong A.D.D. ni Soriano
Ganon din naman sa Katolika sa Pinas, meron El Shaddai ni Velarde at JMC ni Almeda.
Nagtataka ako kung saan naman “partido” itong Church of Christ(4th Watch)? Iglesia ba ito o Katoliko?
Meron din na para sa mga artista o showbiz, Oasis of Love.
Sa Amerika, syempre hindi mawawala si Pat Robertson at Rex Humbard. Nandyan din ang LDS , CJC Latter-day Saints at marami pang iba na paksyon paksyon.
bumigay ba ang simbahan dahil sa request ng PNP, o request ng CBCP organizers ito?
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=722
Look here, npongco, what I said was not an APOLOGY, heck not at all! You are getting confused!
It’s a statement of fact, nothing more nothing less. My posts on the matter of the clergy speak for themselves.
And if you say, “but if they keep on committing the same mistakes, God’s anger will be upon them.” So? Let God’s anger, as you say, fall where it will fall. That’s God’s prerogative not yours and ain’t mine either.
If that’s gonna make you happy, fine, call the wrath of heaven, it’s your call!
As I’ve said in a previous post, wanna let these bishops know how strongly you feel against them? write to them.
Good governance IS a moral issue. The CBCP, in my view, can only give moral advice, or even try to persuade its flock. If anyone expected the CBCP to lead its people to take up arms, or to exaggerate, to tell its flock to go and KILL Gloria, that will not happen ! Religion, as I understand it to be, is the moral fiber of any unit. The CBCP, to the best of its ability, did its part, whether good or bad in the eyes of many. Those who were present at the Luneta rally did his/her part, and those who continue to fight for the ousting of Gloria are doing their part. The CBCP Prayer Rally is only part of history that is unfolding. This part (CBCP rally) will only make sense when we see the big picture-and, by God’s grace, we will see that when the story of Gloria ends. For now, what we are witnessing is only a part of the whole picture.
Indeed, I agree with Anna de Brux that if anyone feels strongly against the bishops, they should “…write to them.”
If any of the Bishops or priests shouted anti-Gloria sentiments in the Prayer rally, they would be harshly criticised for being too political or the issue of the separation between Church versus State; or worse, they would have been charged with inciting to sedition or rebellion. Since I was at the rally, I interpreted it to be that we pray for the country and ask God to guide us; pray for discernment. The reason also behind the low turn out is because of blogs where we can air our anger and frustrations, instead of going to the streets.
Email from Henry:
Pumapabor kami sa Charter Change, pero hindi sa ilalim at anino ni Gloria. Hindi siya halal or ibinoto man lang ng tao. Kaya wala siya ni katiting na karapatan na mag-utos ng pagaamienda ng Saligang Batas. Hindi ba siya marunong mahiya?
At panghuli, di ba ang pagbabago ng “character” ay nagsisimula sa sarili?
Yan lamang po at salamat po!
henry
Jubail, KSA
Hmmm, the debate becomes heated and more engaging. Wondering why this topic on the bishops should divide those who want Gloria out. From my own little corner, one thing doesn’t happen yet – the bishops (or however you call the pious among us) have clearly stopped short of their call for meaningful change at this time. What’s needed now is not just theology, but LIBERATION THEOLOGY. This, to me, is what Arch. Cruz, Tobias and a few others want to tell us. Unfortunately, many others seem stuck in the old catholic shell that’s insulated from current reality and is no longer relevant in these trying times.
Anna, one person writing the bishop is like a drop that doesn’t even make a sound. Your suggestion is better put to a greater effect if more people will write them, not individually but collectively. That brings me closer to home.
Ellen, why don’t you furnish Cardinal Rosales and the other bishops a raw (unedited) copy of how your bloggers feel about it? As leaders of their flock, they are also entitled to what people think. A variety of opinions is always better than one, lonely voice.
Looks like the prelates have just withdrawn from where the action is. That, to many, only shows a less calculating and less rational stance, as the prelates insist on universal moralism that may not work under the circumstance. From an angle, that action is a surrender to rational institutions like the state and its apparatuses (judiciary, legislative, executive) made almost completely irrational by the evil motives of those in power. By withholding their punch when it should have been delivered to knock out evil once and for all, they only expose themselves and consign their flock to the abyss, allowing further degradation of society to continue. By holding on to that “ambivalent” or mere prayerful stance, as they did in last Sunday’s prayer rally, the bishops have also been perceived as making the church irrelevant or less useful as an institution of change. True, ultimate salvation is the most important. But we should not forget this material world, where we live in borrowed time. We have to make the most of it following God’s commandments.
Am still hopeful that one day, they will finally decide. I still see the church, or religion, playing a decisive role like it did in EDSA.
In a real crisis that we are in now, one can’t be at the middle. Either you speak up and be counted, or you join the evil ones. Not siding is like allowing evil to ravage the helpless.
Am afraid that the way things go, the status quo will live on as depraved leaders continue corrupting us. Tomorrow, we may wake up without a nation we have endeared and cherished to preserve
Lest we forget, God’s commandments are: “Thou shalt not steal, lie……”
Gloria has repeatedly stolen, lied, and doesn’t know when to stop. (She stole the people’s votes, our liberties, and now wants to do it again. She lied many times over, like I won’t run as president, I withdraw cha-cha, I have the nation’s interest over other things, blah blah…)
What’s new? Gloria is a congenital liar. Kung under oath ang kanyang mga kasungalingan matagal ng nabulok sa preso.
Mang Nelbar, ang ibig mo bang sabihin isa na rin INK si Senator Kiko Pangilinan dahil naging Iglesia ni Kiko (INK) siya?
Atsee,
Bakit, may iglesia ba iyang si Kiko talaga?
Basta ako ay nagdarasal ng taimtim na mamatay na si Glueria. Hindi naman ako umasa talaga sa lahat ng uri ng simbahan para mamuno sa pagtatanggal kay Glueria. Same ol, same ol!
“Basta ako ay nagdarasal ng taimtim na mamatay na si Glueria.”
Heheh!
Anna,
I had a nightmare after Yuko imitated the midget’s sickening voice and manner of speaking over the phone, kuhang-kuha! heheh!
Hawaiianguy:
This DEVIL’s devilish plan is always to simply devide and rule, even the Bishops she devided.
The maiority of the Bishops are listening to and being manipulated by this DEVIL’s lies. This DEVIL woman tells them there is no need for them to lead a people’s rally, because the DEVIL is no longer insisting on the ConCon in fact she, the DEVIL, gives them her guidelines to follow.
Then these gullible Bishops (majority) in fact ALL the Bishops suffer the embarrassment of this DEVIL’s 180 degree turn. The DEVIL woman is against the few (minority) Bishops such as Cruz, Tobias etc. simply because they recognise her as the evil DEVIL itself. But this DEVIL woman has succeeded in keeping the Bishops devided.
The majority of these Bishops are until now silenced, not even prepared to rebuke this evil immoral DEVIL woman. They should collectively apologise to the people for their lack of leadership in facing this immoral woman devil. Then they should denounce this DEVIL woman by ‘NAME’, standd shoulder to shoulder as a majority of Bishops should face the evils of any DEVIL.
Its time for the Bishops to unite themselves and follow the examples of the minority of Bishops. No lunches at the Palace with this DEVIL woman, denounce her in name. Likewise the INC should stop meeting this DEVIL woman in secret meetings and be open and transparent about your thoughts, also denouce this DEVIL woman by name. The filipino people dare all of you to stop thinking of just yourselves. Enough is Enough.
Folks sorry about the spelling of DIVIDE..I’m so angry! we are being conned left right & center
I got to go, my business is suffering, I’m in the dog house and as I’ve told you before my pet dog gets a regular kick in the ass, that’s whats happening to me now (Laffin) See You on the ice.
Chi, Anna, we are mean, aren’t we?
Anyway, Merry Christmas,everybody!
they had no problems being political back in edsa dos.
anyway, the admin has regained the momentum again i think, until their next overreach.
Chi,
Can you send me an email? Sorry, but I’m using my sister’s provider and it does not allow sending out message from this end although I am free to download mails from my inbox. Thanks. Malapit na ang Pasko! Ilang araw na lang! Lungkot ng Pasko sa Bay Area.
Today, I went shopping with my mother at K-Mart, Macy’s, etc. Golly, walang masyadong namimili! Naghihirap ang mga kano!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Chi,
At our street demonstration in Tokyo last February against the Great Switik, Congenital Liar and Great Mandarambong, I delivered a speech parodied from one of hers and I put a big black bubble gum on my cheek, tawanan! Iyong kaibigan kong pulis na bantay ni Bansot noon, sabi sa akin, gayang-gaya ko raw kung magsalita siya. Ang masama, nasisira ang boses ko kapag ginagaya ko ang walanghiya e.
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Chi, Yuko,
Talaga, kaya mong mimi iyang accent ni Gloria bastos?
Wow! That is so great!
Right Ellen, we can be really mean and even meaner to the meanest people like Gloria and her kampons.
oops, “mimic”
anghala ngho mhe miyak ha ngusho hi nglonia nha hangh mhagnanalina ngyangng ngaya nhi nhisnhangkhey. (akala ko me biyak sa nguso si gloria na angpagsasalita ay kayang kaya ni ystakei.) he he heh!
From Arnold Dizon:
Tama ang iyong opinyon na huwag umasa sa simbahan.Minsan sila mismo ay urong-sulong.Bagamat malaking dahilan ng pagbaba ng bilang ng mga dapat dadalo sa prayer rally ay dahil inurong na ang con-ass ng mga aso ng palasyo,napakarami ring restrictions at pupunta ka pa ng Luneta at makikinig lang ng sermon(thanksgiving na lang kasi).Noong nakaraang impeachment ay wala din silang nagawa.Gumising tayo mga kababayan,sa susunod na maling liko ni gma,ipakita natin ang totoong saloobin ng ordinaryong mamamayan!Huwag na tayong maghintay pa sa spiritual guidance,deretso sa kalsada at kahit ano pang threat ang sabihin ni Oscar “mayuga” Calderon sulong.Hayaan muna natin sila sa malacanan na magbunyi ngayon at flop daw ang grand rally.Bilang na ang araw nila…
Arnold Dizon
Capas,Tarlac
From Ronaldo Estrada:
Malamang eh nakakuha na nmn ng pabor ang mga Obispo sa Malacanang kaya naging malabnaw ang rally sa Luneta na naging prayer rally na lang. He he he. Mga pari pa. Eh mga kawatan din nmn mga yan. Mga numero unong immoral din mga yan. Kaya nga galit si Gat Jose Rizal sa kanila. At magpahanggang ngaun ganun prin ang pananaw nila sa sarili nila. Na sila eh meron say sa mga palakad ng gobyerno. Talagang malakas talaga impluwensya ng mga immoral at negosyanteng pari na ito. Swerte nila, aba eh biruin mong napakalaki ng sinisingil ng tuition sa mga estudyante sa kanilang mga Unibersidad tulad ng Ateneo, La Salle, Miriam at iba pa pero ni isang kusing na duling di sila nagbabayad sa gobyerno ng kanilang kaukulang buwis. Swerte talaga. Cguro dahil akala ng mga nasa gobyerno eh nasa panig ng Diyos ang mga paring ito. Nasa panig nga ba nila? Katoliko nga po pala ako bago ko makalimutan. Kaya tama lang din po yung pagtira sa kanila ni Sen Miriam Santiago na dapat magumpisa din sa kanila ang pagbabago. Kasi mga pulitikong nakasutana mga yan eh. Namumulitika din. Mga ulupong.
Ellen Says:
December 20th, 2006 at 10:59 pm
From Arnold Dizon:
“Gumising tayo mga kababayan,sa susunod na maling liko ni gma,ipakita natin ang totoong saloobin ng ordinaryong mamamayan!Huwag na tayong maghintay pa sa spiritual guidance,……”
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kailan ba may ginawang tama ang baliw na babae sa malakanyang? bawat sasabihin niya, pagbuka pa lamang ng bunganga, basura na ang lumalabas na hindi katanggap tanggap. kahit kailan, walang nasa isip ang timang na ‘yan kundi nag pansariling niyang kapakanan at hindi ang kagalingan ng sambayanan!
mas mabuti pa nga ang basurahan, nagiging bukal ng pag-asa ng ilang maralita nating kababayan dahil doon sila kumukuha ng ikinabubuhay.
….kundi ang pansarili niyang kapakanan……..
in due time, when the sovereign people has had enough, when climactic events converge, gloria manggagantso will be pulled by the hair and thrown into the Pasig river.
sana isama na rin natin itapon ang mga ungas na obispo.
there is such a thing as a catholic taliban regime in this country.
400 hundred years of catholic taliban regime and what have we got?
a riot of immorality, a riot of evil, a riot of corruption.
could it be that they are themselves bereft of righteousness and truth?
Tumpak Tayerevo ! Ano ba ang ginawang kabutihan ng simbahan sa mga tao at bansa? Kaya patuloy na may digmaan ay dahil din sa mga relihiyon. Ang para sa akin, sundin na lang ang Golden Rule at Karma.