Reynato Puno has been appointed Supreme Court chief justice, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita announced just now.
Puno succeeded Artemio Panganiban, who retired yesterday.
Puno is new SC chief
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Reynato Puno has been appointed Supreme Court chief justice, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita announced just now.
Puno succeeded Artemio Panganiban, who retired yesterday.
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Nakawan galore, abangan!!! Patay na! Kawawang Pilipinas! Puede nang magluksa ang mga pilipino!
Ellen,
Justice Reynato Puno was the favored one, di ba? Is he a sibling of DILG Puno and Dong Puno?
If yes, magdadasal na ako!
Sana ay hindi naman niya patuluyan ang kanyang “neither here nor there” ruling tungo sa pagsang-yon sa ConAss kung makarating ito sa SC.
That is what I’m always wondering. You look at the Qualifications of these Justices, and they have all the knowledge, the awards, the MAs and PHDs, but when it comes to making a decision of what is wrong and right, I trust the Judgement of a Grade School Jury. I’m still wondering WHY???
Reynato Puno as SC chief? I give up. I thought the SC would be the last bastion of the rule of law.
Am afraid we may now have a court of SUPREME INJUSTICE! Puno could well the last nail in the coffin. Abangan.
Vic, you only said what is most descriptive of voting trends in the Philippines. No amount of knowledge, experience, and degrees the leaders flaunt could guarantee good performance in politics. That’s why many voters prefer untainted candidates like movie stars, basketball players, newscasters, and other celebrities – doesn’t matter if they have zero credentials in governance.
Let Manny Pacquiao run for the Senate and he will win. That’s why I don’t blame people who prefer the popular Fernando Poe to crooked Gloria Arroyo. (I didn’t vote for him, but I always respected why some friends and relatives cast their ballots in his favor.)
hawaiianguy,
I’d like to think that my family was right voting for FPJ. Baka hindi ganyan na napabayaan ang lahat ng biktima ni Reming and other natural calamities. I remember that among the presidential candidates, FPJ was the only one who had a disaster plan and made Phil Atmospheric Office a priority. He had a knowledge that the country is in the “ring of fire”. Kaya namin siya binoto.
It was the first time that my father dictated to us all whom to vote, and first time also that we voted an actor to a public office. And we are proud of it!
hawaiianguy,
and maybe that the one of the reason, why in our election rule, the only qualifications required of our candidates for Parliament and for Leadership to the Party (which could led to PM) are you are of legal age (18) and a Canadian Citizen. so many of our great political leaders didn’t even finish their high schools. Only our Judges are required to be members of the Bar.
Vic, I like your qualifications for the parliament. Even those who barely know how to read and write could become great leaders if given a chance.
Chi,
Ronnie Poe was not able to get a college degree because he had to support a whole clan. What he lacked in education, he filled up with love and concern for the destitutes and needy.
I understand that one or two of his siblings got degrees from UP just like their father. He was the one who sent them to school, I understand.
Mana naman siguro sa ama. He must have been smart, likewise, to be able to make his company grow. People who knew him had only good things to say about him.
Sobra lang talaga ang yabang ng mga pinoy. Maraming may college degree pero mga kabisote lang. When it comes to practical things, bobo din ang labas!
Over here in Japan, we have had premiers who finished only grade school like former Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka, who actually was one of those who helped build Japan as it is now. Tignan mo nga ang Pilipinas. Ang yabang noong may DPhil daw in Economics pero bobo din ang dating! Mahilig lang magretoke ng mga figures. Lahat ng mga pilipino kung puede lang ibugaw, and she calls that sound economy!
Thanks for voting for FPJ. I supported him in fact in the last election even when I could not vote in lieu of Senator Pimentel who was my first choice for president. Sayang dinibdib mabuti ang pandarayang ginawa sa kaniya. Namatay tuloy!
Yuko,
May puso kasi si FPJ kaya namatay :).
My father never liked Glueria even when she was a senator. He used to show us Tiyanak’s picture ala-nora aunor and would comment “o tingnan ninyo, di ba mukhang manggagantso?”
Punong-puno na naman ng biyaya at salapi ang matatamasa ni Puno. Lalong maha-high blood si Miriam Santiago dahil gusto niyang ma-defer muna ang appointment. Simula na ang hidwaan nila ni tiyanak. Asahan natin na puro bomba na naman ang gagawin ni Miriam laban sa Malacanang. May sayad kasi itong si Miriam…isip bata. Kapag hindi nabigyan ng kendi, iiyak.
Am impressed with Justice Puno’s credentials. I just wish he would discern the complex political issues hounding the country today, or at least have the conscience to see the evil motives that lurk behind this cha-cha.
Credentials and knowledge don’t necessarily hang together with political correctness. If they do, the correlation is negative – the more knowledgeable, the less politically correct the decision or behavior. We can also think of “correctness” in terms of ethical behavior. It is one thing for an act to be considered legal, another for it to be called unethical. Worse is when the act is both illegal and immoral, a double whammy.
Not having a legal mind, I’m absolutely convinced that the cha-cha as is now pushed through by the Lower House is illegal on many counts, and absolutely immoral for a thousand reasons. What Joe and other GMA allies are now doing to the constitution are patently illegal and lacks an iota of morality. If the high court sustains a revised (read: “railroaded”) constitution, then the people may as well bury it and kiss goodbye to RP as part of the league of democratic nations.
Impressed ka nga sa credentials niya pero anong silbi niyan kung magpapagamit siya kay tiyanak. Kaya siya na-appoint agad para sa pagsang-ayon sa Cha-Cha. Lulutuin niya ang lahat na batas na pabor kay tiyanak. Pati mga ibang justices mahahawa sa kanya. NakakaHAWAIYAN kasi.
Pwede na rin iyan. Kesa naman si Miriam, no! But I would have preferred Yñares-Santiago. Okey rin sana si Tony Carpio kaya lang medyo matigas na ang posisyon niya sa ibang issues kaya magiging magulo lang.
All the educational and social credentials bandied about by people in top government posts are always impressive. Unfortunately, these credentials seem to be stuck on paper.
Frankly, the problem is not their credentials on paper but rather, their credibility, their ability to discern a bigger, more noble picture that is democracy and everything that is embodied in it.
Even a dog when trained or has gone to a dog school, can learn the most difficult tricks including how to count, so to me, the true measure of a person’s education and qualifications is his moral values, his ability to discern right from wrong, his respect for the people…
When those people purporting to posses the best brains, the best education, the qualifications have understood that it’s not merely the acquisition of a diploma or diplomas or the ability to parrot passages and passages from his books that qualify him to sit and govern the lives of 85 million souls but it’s after they have learned, grasped and understood how and why democratic exercises are done, then they can start to impress me.
Until them, they will be no better than my dog.
Credentials are not the most important thing, its whether or not the person is honest or can be easily bought by a bribe or favour. They all start their sessions with a prayer; but what are they praying for; a bigger pay-off? If it wasn’t so serious it would be a laff!
The congressmen suddenly suspended their session last night when they saw and heard the anger of the public gallery; they don’t like confrontation from the public.
One Million warm bodies standing outside the Palace gates.
According to Tongue in the previous threat the House finally passed the resolution…
Tama ka we-will-never-learn. Anong kuwenta ang credentials kung masama naman ang pagkatao mo? Bihira lang sa mga tulad ko na marami nang credentials, mayaman, matalino at napakabait pa.
I have yet to see the whole position of Puno on the Cha cha. I knew that he was on the border of voting for or against the charter. He may be another Panganiban for all we know. It may have been that he had to play it safe the first time when he ruled against the CHA-CHA. Maybe the next time around he will have his conscience back. Afterall he already got his position, not just an acting CJ but the rea Chief Justice.
It will be very interesting how Miriam will be acting in the next days to come. I guess Glueria is done with her and she can just displease her from here on. Will she start to tell on Glue from hereon too? Just wondering.
France and Japan are just two very different countries who had gone through a lot to get to where they are now. Both have very high moral (redundant) standards and nationalism. We need to learn from them.
PARASABAYAN,
But if what you say is true of Puno that he was just being sigurista, there’s no moral conviction there. What kind of SC chief justice is that then?
Artsee, Agreed! Nakakahawa talaga ang kasamaan (o kabutihan). Hindi na kailangan ang Hawaiian dyan. Talagang infectious ang ganyang sakit, lalo na yung FMD na siyang umiiral sa mababang Kongreso.
I still think that Justice Puno is now weighing which side of the issue will give the nation utmost benefit. But if he thinks ahead of his blessing after retirement (like Davide), he may continue to tow the GMA line. This, he did with PI and junking the old SC decision (Santiago vs. PIRMA) that there was no enabling law. Apparently, he didn’t believe that there was deception in the Lambino/ULAP petition.
Am willing to withhold an unfavorable opinion of Justice Puno, until such time that he shows support for the obvious immorality and illegality of the current cha-cha version.
Just curious, does it take one to be a lawyer or justice to understand what’s going on in the cha-cha debate?
I think Justice Puno is a Ramos appointee. If he is, expect him to show some loyalty to FVR. Whatever FVR says, Puno might listen. I also think that it was Puno who penned the decision confirming Arroyo as legitimate president.
Ideally, credentials and knowledge are passports to show that one can deliver. But they also cut both ways. How they lead to actual delivery is the bigger question here.
In the Philippine case, it looks like these possessions are also the best tools an educated man(woman) can have to do evil. How can ordinary people detect a devil impersonating God? He/she also knows how to show the aura of a saint, or speak the sacrosant words in the bible. As WWNL, the justices even pray before deliberating. Their eloquence and seemingly flawless logic can easily bewilder the amateur, and gain his praise.
In the end, I believe, the taste of the pudding is in the eating. Cha-cha is a sure poison that will kill us all, except the cooks who won’t eat it. No amount of re-defining it (i.e., that it is good for the people) will change what is fated to happen.
If anyone would like to list name & location of any GMA Congressman who they feel is violating the rules of the constitution please view http://victims.list.blogspot.com/ and email the Congressmans NAME & LOCATION
TongueT:
One thing I don’t like is the long list of these crooks’ credentials kuno. Mahilig lang sila sa listahan but as far as real performance is concerned, I doubt kasi uso sa Pilipinas ang sipsipan. Hindi ka marunong magsipsip, hindi ka pansin! I’d believe it if I had not known that over in that land of our birth, even now, it is still whom you know. It is reflected even in the way they treat their relationship with God.
Take the case of that Tongresswoman who bragged about bribing the Church with 4M pesos. Imelda Marcos was also the biggest donor to the Catholic coffers when she was in power, because she thought they would double their prayers for her. Gosh, don’t these crooks know that God does not need their money!
This reminds me of what our bishop told me last night during a tithing settlement with him. We talked of our relationship with Our Heavenly Father, and he said, “You know, Sister, God actually does not need our money. He actually owns everything but He wants us to understand that if we obey Him, He will bless us tremendously.” This apparently is not what these bribers understand.
Lahat nadadala sa palakasan at pasulutan. Kaya iyong mga wala, hanggang doon na lang! What a culture!
I really feel sorry for majority of the people of the Philippines.
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
If these things happening to us now in the Philippines is a reflection of who we really are, we have yet to grow up and learn to have integrity. If our elected officials look at money as the the currency for everything, we are really fucked up! If most of the people’s yardstick of sucess are: a big house, a rolls royce and a lot of money no matter if they are rotten, we can never have a country we can be proud of.
I wonder how much Davide was paid to install Glueria in power? I wonder how much the tongressmen were paid to affix their signatures in the junking of the 1st and 2nd impeachments of Glueria? I wonder how much money was paid to Assperon, Mayuga et al to rig the elections and clean up their tracks? I wonder how much more money will have to still be paid to the Senators opposing the con-ass(one of them wanted to think about his position until Monday-waiting for the stakes to go higher). I wonder how much concessions will be given to the justices to look the other way once the con-ass resolution crosses them? I wonder how much each and everyone of these Tongressman got paid to rape our constitution? It is all about money! Votes are bought during elections. Maybe we should blame ourselves for what is happening to us. Until each and everyone of us learn to value ourselves, we will never have a great country! It is a sad reality…
OK naman pala si glue, may word of honor. Tinupad niya yong promise niya kay puno before the decision sa PI na siya ang susunod na CJ.
hawaiianguy Says:
December 7th, 2006 at 12:43 am
“Reynato Puno as SC chief? I give up. I thought the SC would be the last bastion of the rule of law.
Am afraid we may now have a court of SUPREME INJUSTICE! Puno could well the last nail in the coffin. Abangan”.
December 7th, 2006 at 4:29 am
“Am impressed with Justice Puno’s credentials”
Having a hard time dissecting puno? Better make up your mind!
PUPUSTA AKO MGA KABABAYAN
KAPAG PUMALAG ANG SAMBAYANAN
SA PANGGAGAHASANG GINAGAMPANAN
NG MGA PULITIKONG GAHAMAN
SA ATING SALIGANG BATAS NA SANA AY ATING SANGGALANG
ANG MGA ITO AY MAG-SOSORI LAMANG
AT AGAD NA MAKAKALIMUTAN NG TANGANG SAMBAYANAN
ANG GINAWA NILANG KASALANAN
AT TULOY-TULOY NA NAMAN ANG PAGPAPAKASASA
SA KABANG-YAMAN,
PARA BANG “WALA LANG” “DEDMA NA LANG”
SA GINAWA NILANG PANGGAGAHASA, SA INANG BAYAN!
SUSUHULAN LANG MGA BOTANTENG MANGMANG
AYOS-AYOS NA NAMAN.. SA IBANG PAGKAKATAON NA LANG
GAGAHASAIN KO ULI, TUTAL MGA PILIPINO AY TANGA NAMAN!
nang mauso ang cloning, lahat ng kopya ni lucifer ay itinambak niyang lahat sa pilipinas! karamihan sa kanila ay nasa congress, AFP, PNP, MMDA, DENR, DPWH, supreme court, ombudsman, comelec, customs, NBI, BID, BIR, DILG at iba pang mga sangay ng pamahalaang pinamumunuan ng hari at reyna ng impiyerno sa malakanyang!
Florry, not yet. I said “he could well be the last nail….” Who knows, he might come to his senses after realizing that the current cha-cha is a lost cause? Am aware that he has shown a disposition to Gloria and Joe’s bidding, but he could possibly make a 160 degree turn when the time comes. The CBCP’s statement is a strongly worded one that may also douse cold water on the pro-GMA magistrates. Like us, they are certainly weighing the alternatives, and sizing up the pulse of the people must be at the back of their minds. They can’t escape the wrath of the people, and certainly will answer to God for allowing wrongdoings to continue.
Justice Puno must be in quandary now.
i hope hg is right. it is often that one is judged from previous accomplishement but when one comes to the top, like puno now, it is a lonely place and that is when one finds out the real self.
Sorry for that incomplete idea, a phrase should also read “180 degrees.”
Justice Puno must be in a quandary now, knowing that the past court decisions (vis-a-vis PP 1017, EO 464, CPR, and PI) were antagonistic to Gloria’s expectations. If he takes the court to glorify this immoral regime, he understands the grave consequences of that action against a possible payback after (or even before) retirement. We can’t immediately pre-empt his next move, which is damn if you do and damn if you don’t. Only an evil person will say, “better I’m damned so long as my pocket is full.” I wish Puno was not thinking of Davide.
Norpil, you have said it nicely. Indeed, it’s a lonely place to be on top now. Everybody is jumping ship all over the place. (The last I heard was this Kabalen Lapid, who abandoned his captain already.) Puno may be another maverick, like Justice Panganiban. At least, he does not have plenty of “utang na loob” to Gloria to repay, unlike Panganiban who is certainly cursed by Mike and family for turning his back on the master. If they threw invectives to Cayetano, how much more for Panganiban?
Besides, the SC cannot afford to be like any ordinary court, such as the Ombudsman, noted for its brazen “low-level” and mediocre performance. Once it agrees to the anomalous cha-cha, which even the bishops now resent, it will be a party to the death of the nation. SC is the only remaining citadel of an endangered democracy since Gloria and her wrecking crews started destroying it.
Chief Justice Puno is not a sibling of the Puno mercenaries, who are products of Ateneo. CJ Puno’s family came from UP. They are not related.
And “being lonely at the top” may not exactly fit the primary duties of the Chief Justice. You see, when it comes to the Supreme Court’s primary duty, which is adjudicating disputes, the Chief Justice is a plain primus inter pares, the first among co-equals. He can be outvoted. His vote and the vote of the rookie justice have equal weight.
The Supreme Court acts as a body in disciplining judges, justices, and court personnel, as well as in the drafting and revision of rules of practice and procedure
But “loneliness at the top” may apply at the other duty of the Chief Justice, which is being the Chief Administrator of the judicial branch. And in an impeachment of the President, the Chief Justice serves as chairman (but in impeachment of a President, the whole Senate acts as the court)
I think “I wish Puno was not thinking of Davide.” is uncalled for. Just because his acts eventually favored GMA doesnt mean he’s a GMA lackey. Remember, the Supreme Court acts as a body. The Chief Justice is not the Supreme Court.
You should not let the swearing in of GMA by Davide in 2001 cloud your impression of the man.
so what is your opinion anthony of cj puno.will he be similar to panganiban in relation to gma or will he be the opposite, if ever the con ass case reach his court.
Mrivera’s description of lucifer’s legion in pinas is very apt.
Florry:
Anong word of honor ang sinasabi mo? Naggagamitan is more like it. This is different from having a word of honor for nothing. It is more like making a deal with someone for her own selfish gain. Hindi iyan word of honor. Kawalanghiyaan iyan!!! 😛
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Hawaiianguy, Kabalen Lapid is jumping ship because he is being proposed something less enticing. Inaagaw ang posisyon nila sa Pampanga ng galamay ni Bansot!
Parasabayan:
OK to learn from the Japanese and French re nationalism, discipline, etc. but practice makes perfect. Ang dami nang dapat natutunan ang mga pilipino pero ganoon pa rin! Kulang sa practice. Meron man sa kawalanghiyaan naman!!! Ugh! 😡
Na-perfect pa ang kawalanghiyaan sa rehimen ni Bansot, the woman with a brain of a bird!!! :-p
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Lapid? Who is he? What has he done? He has the most absentee record in the senate. He spent more time playing golf with his gambling lords compadres and abroad that in the Senate. If he ever appears in the Senate, it’s just for roll call and signing then he leaves. Like the old Revilla and even this young Revilla, the Senate has wasted seats with these idiots there.
Anthony, I didn’t consider Davide as a GMA lackey. But he could have preserved his high repute until he retired, and enjoyed the blessing of his long labor. His acceptance of GMA’s payback shattered everything. That’s the fine line dividing indecency and independence, at least in the minds of the prying public. But who am I to judge Davide’s motive for accepting a “juicy reward”? Every single retired general was also being showered with the same.
The same perception goes for Dr. Jose Abueva, a well respected academician. An intelligent man that he was, he might not have anticipated that his commission’s report would be “used” to justify an evil deed looming on the horizon. If he also accepts payback, one can’t blame the public for condemning him.
Davide is more of a politician than a Justice. Before he was appointed to the judiciary, he was a politician in Cebu. It was tycoon Lucio Tan who lobbied him to get the SC Chief Post. Then Erap had no choice but to grant Tan’s request. But, it proved to be Erap’s biggest mistake of appointing this traitor.
it could also be that puno can be a traitor to gma, reading puno’s statement following his acceptance, i feel inspired by his words “the judiciary may not have the power of the sword, may not have the power of the purse, but it has the power to interpret the constitution, and the unerring lessons of history tell us that rightly-wielded, that power can make the difference for good.””it has but one constituency and is a constituency of one-the blindfolded lady with a sword unsheathed.””She represents justice, fair justice to all, unfairness to none.” ended his acceptance with a pledge to espouse no ideology but constitutionalism; to uphold no theology but the rule of law… i am not a lawyer nor theologist but more of an ideologist in the sense that the poor is always right but somehow i have a feeling that this guy can make the difference.
Don’t trust this Puno completely even if he’s not related to the other Punos. If he’s related to my idol Rico Puno, then fine. Anyway, one thing that we could expect is his independence from the Catholic Church’s influence. Puno is a Protestant, a Methodist. Hence, his administration and decisions would be based not only on legal reasons; but Christian values. Of course it depends if he’s a practicing Christian. If he’s not, he’s no different from the others. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m sure he doesn’t like to be another Davide. Puno would try to leave a name before he retires. Let’s hope GMA is ousted under Puno’s leadership at SC. Then, Puno could also administer oath to whoever is chosen by the people to replace GMA…even Erap has a chance to be reinstated. Leaders of other countries were able to return to power…why can’t Erap whose presidency was clearly stolen?
Any appointee of the devil woman, I don’t trust.
Newly-appointed SC Justice Reynato Puno dismissed statements of Speaker Jose de Venecia that any petition before the SC questioning Con-Ass may fail because the administration already has the numbers in the High Court with the retirement of Chief Justice Artemio Panganiban, who cast the swing vote in the 8-7 Sigaw decision.
“I don’t think anybody can say that they have me figured out,” he said. “It is impossible to predict how the Court will decide on it. They can entertain that kind of opinion, but my records speak otherwise.”
“I am not conditioned to vote on the basis of the appointing power,” he said.
More of this in Malaya. Click here.
If Justice Puno accedes to the lower house’s railroading of the constitution, I’ll not hesitate a bit to say he also kowtows to GMA. That’s when nothing more is left to this ailing democracy.
Norpil, Ellen,
Those statements of SC Puno sound promising for the kind of justice many righteous people expect of him. The phrase “that power can make the difference for good” is a concern for the greater glory that accrues to the public rather than the benefits enjoyed by few men(women) who now dominate Congress. I share your hope for an enlightened decision, if and when the railroaded constitution is opposed before the high court.
Ellen, media or press release statement by Puno is nothing. He can prove his position when the time comes for him to make a decision. As I indicated earlier, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. We might be wrong in our perception and impression about this man. If he vigorously opposes the Con-ass and block all Malacanang’s evil legal moves, then Puno might be the Christmas TREE we all are waiting for…
We’ll see how this newly appointed wannabe tuta of the Bansot performs, Ellen. Let him prove his words that nobody can dictate on him, pressure or no pressure, for I know the Bansot does not make it easy for anyone, especially her appointees, to go against her will. Tignan natin ang galing niya! 😛
Unbelievable but true: After so much tantrums and bla bla for not being nominated to the list of SC Chief, Miriam Santiago now says she’s still with GMA. The reason: Puno is from UP like her. She hates Panganiban because he comes from Far Eastern University, not UP like her. Can you imagine such stupid reason? And Miriam is the only senator presence in the country who didn’t sign the Senate petition opposing Con-ass. Two other senators, Magsaysay and Jamby, are out of the country but they have given word to sign it.
Npongco, I was wondering about Miriam’s allegiance to Bansot too. It would be very interesting to see what role Brenda will have in this con-ass.
All I am hoping is for Puno to uphold what he believes in.
History may repeat itself. Davide installing Glue and Panganiban voting against the cha-cha authored by Glue who installed him. Maybe Puno will follow Panganiban’s footsteps unless Glue made sure that Puno signed something with Glue(for PUNO TO SUPPORT THE CON-ASS) the night he was installed as Chief Justice. This is all politics for all we know-just sugar coated all the time!!!
People’s sentiments against Glueria is almost in its climax, and Puno is not stupid not to sense it. After his half-baked performance in Chacha, he may yet pull a surprise on us by deciding against this ConAss, if he would see a sea of people lining in the streets. He surely knows how to time his actions. Ano, sasama ba siya sa paglubog ni Glueria?!
Still, I’m crossing my fingers. I hope he’d listen and act according to his own solemn oath of office.
To hawaiianguy and npongco:
Can’t you look at Davide holistically? I can’t see how his acceptance of a plum post could ‘shatter everything.’ Case in point: Sen. Rene Saguisag. He is now the epitome of a sell-out; how could a human rights lawyer, in the mold of Romy Capulong, ever become the mouthpiece of Erap!? Yet that won’t take away his stellar record during martial law. And Sen. Pimentel, now the embodiment of a sourgraping man who has seen better days. His later performance will never negate his earlier feats.
And Davide more of a politician? Yes, he was once a member of the Batasang Pambansa. There is no truth to the rumor that Lucio Tan lobbied for Davide to get the CJ post. You know who started that rumor? Erap himself; his way of getting back at Davide.
Come on, do not practice guilt by association. Up to now, I admire some people in Erap’s cabinet.
Anthony, from what planet did you come from. After a long silence, you appeared from nowhere and attacked hawaiianguy and me. Lucio Tan indeed lobbied for Davide. Even if Erap mentioned it, most knew about the lobby. Why don’t you ask Davide? Did he deny that?
No. Saguisag is a human rights lawyer first and foremost. Lawyers like him defend even their former enemies if the case or cases are about one’s rights. Saguisag made it clear that he was only after Erap’s acquittal. He has said many times that he opposes Erap’s reinstatement. I’m no Saguisag fan. I’m allergic to those identified with Cory including some journalists who now are fighting for Erap and against GMA. They now are up in arms against GMA forgetting that they did the same to Marcos. I won’t mention names ’cause this message might be deleted again.
About Pimentel, I agree. One who went up the stage and held the mike for Gloria has no business fighting Gloria. One who turned against Gloria for failing to be appointed as Senate President and Vice-President lacks credibility. He could explain all he could and he already did; but what he did at Edsa Two was still fresh in my mind and in most of the people…except perhaps his fans here.
Yuko,
I think you missed the sarcastic side of my comment about glue. Medyo pangtuya lang naman dahil sa mga ginagawa nilang deal para sa pansarili nilang interest. Sabi mo nga nag-gagamitan lang sila.
Furthermore Anthony, you asked how could Saguisag be the mouthpiece of Erap. Let me remind you that former DOJ Secretary was unceremoniously dismissed by Erap for prosecuting Erap’s pals Mark Jimenez and Lucio Tan against Erap’s order. Cuevas did not bite the pressure so he was dismissed. He was about to hold a media press conference to denounce Erap’s act where it not for Manalo who stopped his plan. Cuevas is a member of INC. Yet, Cuevas later became part of Erap’s senior legal counsels in his plunder case. Did Cuevas sell out?
Anthony, I have also wanted to ask you that same question. If my memory serves me right, you tend to put down the likes of Pimentel as among the “destabilizers.” Between a sourgraping Pimentel and a hilarious Davide, I prefer the former. Both are certainly not sacrosancts, but one is more tempted by the glitter of gold.
Saguisag? Another brilliant lawyer who would barter his sterling reputation for silver.
Contrary to your impression, I do consider the whole more than the parts. However, I put premium on a part if it’s quite vital to the whole. Maybe it’s my nature to judge a person based on his/her recent behavior. Am kinder to a reformed sinner than to a saint turned-sinner.
It should say: Former DOJ Secretary Serafin Cuevas. I apologize for the waste of space. I think my messages are being hacked by GMA Internet Brigade. Anyway, many Erap foes are now his friends. And many Erap friends are now his foes. This tells us once again that there are no permanent friends and enemies; only permanent interest. I hope that’s clear to you, Anthony.
I agree with you, Hawaiianguy. Lest that people think I dislike Pimentel, let me say I do respect him. Other than his eyebag and wrinkles, he is among the few honest and decent politicians we have today. I just cannot forget what he did during Edsa Two. He was even Erap’s compadre. But like the others, Erap has forgiven him. If Erap could forgive personalities such as Guingona, Drilon, Legarda, Angie Reyes…why not Pimentel?
Npongco, when I saw Pimentel holding the microphone for Gloria in EDSA-2, I felt nauseated. I couldn’t believe this man, whom I admired, would stoop so low that he looked more like a technician than a respectable senator. But he has realized his own folly about the lady he propped up when she turned evil in every way. For that, I still grant him a spot reserved for the few respectable politicians we have today.
Yes, everyone makes mistakes and some mistakes are indeed make one sick. Pimentel at that time thought he was holding the mike for a legitimate president. He could also have thought that Gloria would bless him with some juicy offers in her government. I think he has since regretted. But, my source tells me that unlike the many and even those who offended Erap but still regularly visits him at Tanay, Pimentel does not. Shy or what, we don’t know. But the fact that Erap included Pimentel’s son on the opposition senatorial list shows that Pimentel has been completely forgiven by Erap. People could say all the trash about Erap calling him womanizer, drunkard and gambler; but one thing they could not say against is his natural kindness and forgiving personality. Such good traits even caused his douwnfall…
To hawaiianguy:
“Anthony, I have also wanted to ask you that same question. If my memory serves me right, you tend to put down the likes of Pimentel as among the “destabilizers.”
Yes, and I still maintain that. Pimentel degenerated. But that won’t make me dismiss him completely, in the manner that you have treated Davide.
Saguisag also degenerated. You have dismissed him completely.
As for your preference for Pimentel than Davide, your basis could well be that Pimentel at the moment is anti-GMA, while Davide is, for you, pro-GMA.
And Pimentel turning anti-GMA because “…he has realized his own folly about the lady he propped up when she turned evil in every way”? That is the official reason, but the main reason is he was not chosen Vice-President. GMA turning evil is just his mask. At the core of his anti-GMA is the snub that he got.
“Contrary to your impression, I do consider the whole more than the parts. However, I put premium on a part if it’s quite vital to the whole. Maybe it’s my nature to judge a person based on his/her recent behavior. Am kinder to a reformed sinner than to a saint turned-sinner”
Just don’t determine guilt by association. Can we say that Davide used to be a saint but became a sinner once and for all when he received a GMA appointment?
To npongco:
“Why don’t you ask Davide? Did he deny that?”
No need to ask Davide. He already denied it.
“Saguisag made it clear that he was only after Erap’s acquittal”
Right. How come his comrades from the human rights movement like Romy Capulong did not join him, or at least the Erap cause?
on Cuevas – hey, I said that I admired some cabinet members of Erap. Serafin Cuevas is one of them. Did i ever call him a sell-out? Did i ever say being a member of Erap’s cabinet is a sell-out? Unlike you, I don’t determine guilt by association.
And my use of sell-out is to highlight the fact that Saguisag’s present behavior will not make me forget his martial law record on human rights. please don’t stray from the issue of wholism, of seing the forest not the trees.
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one unsolicited advice for both of you – do not let your hatred of GMA cloud your reason and color your world view. you will never hear me rebutting your comments on GMA’s person. but on others, you might, particularly those you’ve declared guilty by association. do not practice “the friend of my enemy is my enemy too”
Anthony, you might be missing Cleopatra so much to utter such strong language to both hawaiianguy and me. My hatred of GMA does not and will never cloud my reason. Rather, I have all the more the reason to hate and kick her ass for what she’s doing since she grabbed power from Erap. If she’s in front of me at this moment, I will maker her shorter than what she is. Most of us here don’t base our opinion on guilty by association. We here only represent a tiny portion of the many Filipinos whose hatred for Arroyo grows each day. The situation has become unbearable. We cry for blood. Her blood is the only way to save this country!
To npongco:
May I remind you that YOU started the use of strong language, not me. Not to mention your generous use of ad hominems. Besides, I never said anything that can even be remotely deemed ‘strong language’
“My hatred of GMA does not and will never cloud my reason.”
“Most of us here don’t base our opinion on guilty by association”
“Her blood is the only way to save this country!”
Yeah right. As if spilling GMA’s blood will propel the country to First World status.
You know what? A person does not know that his reason is already clouded by something. Its like body odor – the whole world knows it exists, except the person who has it.
I can understand if you call GMA a fake after May 2004. But saying that GMA grabbed power from Erap in 2001 is to deny the validity of EDSA II. Don’t forget that IT WAS THE FILIPINO PEOPLE who kicked Erap out. GMA’s ascension was just an inevitable consequence.
Lumalabas ang pagka-Erap mo my friend, which is the real reason for your stance. I thought you were moved only by righteous indignation. Tsk tsk tsk
Sour graping lang ang mga maka Erap kasi di pa rin ma people power si GMA! Nung una kasi, gusto ding i-kick out by people power si GMA, eh di umubra. Afterthought ang impeachment, na pumalpak din. Twice over.Kung inuna na lang sana nila ang impeachment…
“We here only represent a tiny portion of the many Filipinos whose hatred for Arroyo grows each day”
Yes, but very capable of negating the gains of the MAJORITY WHO IS WORKING HARD TO MOVE THE PHILIPPINES FORWARD, despite Ate Glue.
Guilty by association? I don’t think even of that, which is why I withhold my critical assessment of the new SC justice. I don’t associate Davide with GMA, or Saguisag with Erap(?), as you argue. I look solely at Davide’s action (or Puno’s) and its implications to the Judiciary becoming subservient to the Executive, and his weakness to resist a tempting reward from someone who has utang na loob. That to me is indecent, but not dismissing his person completely, as you said. I will still salute him if he comes back to his senses, as I said it – recent behavior is more important.
“Can we say that.Davide used to be a saint..” Again, I previously said that he was not sacrosanct, and “saint” is a hyperbole (you know what I mean). However, if I impute evil to GMA, that’s how I see it. Almost everything that she touches is bedeviled, like Davide. If you call that association, then so be it. But I would term it as infection. Like a dreaded disease, illegitimate power contaminates and pollutes others. People are at risk by staying close to Gloria, so they better not.
the last posts are all very interesting at least for me, still it seems to me dealing much about the past.what about the future? i have always believed that the future lies in what we do at present.
Norpil, you’re right. We should talk more of what is to come based on present circumstances, history is only important if it gives light to the present or future. The issue now is, the railroading of the constitution. That is the more devastating storm this nation must weather.
Am afraid we can’t move forward, even if the hefty majority in congress takes us into the future by their cha-cha express.If that’s part of the majority that Anthony is talking about, I beg to disagree with him.
But my friends, to succeed in the future we must look at the past and learn from history. Anthony, my language was not strong but my position is. And my position is that GMA grabbed power from Erap. And Davide was very instrumental in legalizing a grand conspiracy against a duly elected President of the Republic (Erap). Where can you find and see a Chief Justice using a diary and biblical verse to render a very crucial decision such as legitimizing someone like Gloria?
itanong ninyo kay scalawag kung meron pa ngayong solomon-like wisdom among the justices around his ninang anay.
Nahahawa na yata si Hawaiyanguy kay Ponga…pala away na rin. Easy lang kayo…iisa lang naman ang kalaban natin…si tiyanak. Habang nandito ako sa grupo, protektado kayong lahat.
wala na ba talagang magagawa kahit UNITED NATIONS or HUMAN RIGHTS ganyan na ba kasakim o kaganid ang mga polpoliticians dyan sa pilipinas wala na silang ginawa kundi baguhin o baliktarin ang tama
To hawaiianguy:
“I look solely at Davide’s action (or Puno’s) and its implications to the Judiciary becoming subservient to the Executive, and his weakness to resist a tempting reward from someone who has utang na loob”
My friend, take stock of your appreciation of Davide. For you, his acceptance of a post from GMA ruined everything. I now challenge you – cite a decision, written or concurred to by Davide, which shows the SC is subservient to the
Executive.
(exclude the decision legitimizing the GMA regime and the Erap resignation, as that decision is highly disputed)
“recent behavior is more important”
which is why you should diss Pimentel if you would diss Davide.
“Am afraid we can’t move forward, even if the hefty majority in congress takes us into the future by their cha-cha express.If that’s part of the majority that Anthony is talking about, I beg to disagree with him”
Hey hey that’s below the belt! Did I even imply that the pro cha cha congressmen are part of the majority who are working for progress? Sorry to inform you my friend, you have to find other areas to disagree with me.
Tsk tsk, your hatred of GMA and JDV’s cha cha shenanigans are getting the best of you.
To npongco:
why are you still contesting EDSA II? The people have spoken – Erap resign. Which happened. GMA was an unfortunate (for us) beneficiary.
Anthony, “I now challenge you – cite a decision,,” Pls. read my statement carefully, I said “implications to becoming…” Did that mean it already happened? You also have to read my other postings on the SC to get the context of what my opinion. As you said earlier, that is to see the forest rather than the trees.
Well, I can see now, we already have areas of disagreement. But am glad that you can still hold your punch, my friend.