Proberz Research and Consultancy, a survey outfit used extensively by former President Fidel V. Ramos, has come out with its survey on senatorial aspirants who have the best chance of winning in the 2004 elections.
Proberz has not yet attained the stature of Social Weather Stations or Pulse Asia but I remember it to be the only survey outfit that had Fernando Poe Jr. leading Arroyo by 4 percent in its exit poll in the May 2004 election,. SWS had Arroyo leading by 8.5 percent.
Election results in Metro Manila proved SWS wrong. Much, much later, after the “Hello Garci” tapes came out, Proberz was proven correct.
For its survey of senatoriables last November, Proberz gave respondents 48 names and asked: “In the event that the senatorial elections will be held in November 2006, who among these personalities in the list that I have shown you will you vote for, assuming that all those in the list will be running for the Senate.?”
The result:
1. Former Senator Loren Legarda
2. Former Senator Vicente Sotto III
3. Senator Francis Pangilinan
4. Senator Ralph Recto
5-6. Senator Manuel Villar Jr. and Senator Panfilo Lacson
7-8. Senator Joker Arroyo and Sen. Luisa (Loi) Estrada.
9. Presidential Chief of Staff Mike Defensor.
10. Senator Edgardo Angara
11-12. Former Senator Tessie Aquino Oreta, MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando, Former Senator Gregorio (Gringo) Honasan.
13-14 Rep. Francis Escudero, Former Senator John Osmena, Korina Sanchez, Mike Velarde.
15. San Juan Mayor JV Ejercito-Estrada.
16-17. Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita, Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye, Manila Mayor Lito Atienza, Rep. Imee Marcos.
18-19 Rep. Allan Peter Cayetano, Ricardo Puno, Environment Secretary Angelo Reyes.
20-21. Rep. Benigno Noynoy Aquino, Former Senator Francisco Tatad, Mike Enriquez.
22-23. Rep. Ace Barbers, Rep. Satur Ocampo.
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Proberz’s top five (former Sen. Loren Legarda, former Sen. Vicente Sotto III, Sen. Francis Pangilinan, Sen. Ralph Recto, and Sen. Manuel Villar Jr.) is almost close to that of SWS and Pulse Asia.
The others within the Magic 12 are Sen. Panfilo Lacson, Sen. Joker Arroyo, Sen. Luisa (Loi) Estrada, presidential chief of staff Mike Defensor, Sen. Edgardo Angara, former Sen. Tessie Aquino-Oreta, MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando.
This is where Proberz survey results differ markedly with the list of the two established survey groups.
In SWS, Tesie Aquino-Oreta is off the top 30. So is Fernando. Mike Defensor is the best performing among Gloria Arroyo’s men but he is not in the top 12.
The rest competing in the top 20 according to Proberz are former Sen. Gregorio (Gringo) Honasan, Rep. Francis Escudero, former Sen. John Osmeña, broadcaster Korina Sanchez, Bro. Mike Velarde, San Juan Mayor JV Ejercito-Estrada, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita, Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye, Manila Mayor Lito Atienza, Rep. Alan Peter Cayetano, broadcaster Ricardo “Dong” Puno, Environment Secretary Angelo Reyes, Rep. Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino, former Sen. Francisco “Kit” Tatad, and broadcaster Mike Enriquez.
Most surprising is Rep. Alan Peter Cayetano, who is within the top 12 in both SWS and Pulse Asia, is No. 18 in Proberz’ list.
This is Proberz’ analysis: “What may come as a surprise are the ratings generated by Rep. Francis Escudero and Rep. Allan Peter Cayetano. This is simply a case in which exposure does not necessarily translate to awareness and for that matter a probability of victory in the senatorial race.
“While there is no doubt that both have not passed up the chance to be seen on television, heard on radio and quoted in print interviews, these two congressmen suffer from an indistinguishable identity in which both, as a result of their having stayed too long in the Lower House, have been stereotyped as congressmen and the public particularly the respondents who were interviewed during the survey of The Center (Proberz) find it hard to identify these two congressmen as senators.
“The case of Senate President Manny Villar is different. Villar was remembered as the Speaker of the Lower House who sent the impeachment complaint to the Senate. Not only did he take a leap of faith but the timing of then Speaker Villar in crossing over to the side of those protesting against the administration of then President Erap Estrada was just perfect and Villar used this advantage to the hilt.
“The Filipino public after all are still hero worshippers and Villar just happened to be at the scene at the right time. While it may also be true that Representatives Escudero and Cayetano have become favorite news sources by the media based in Metro Manila, it does not necessarily mean that such exposure can generate interest in the countryside where the people have their own preferences as to the kind of news medium that are watched, listened to or read and or the news personalities that they listen to. This means that the larger public in the countryside are inclined to favor more their own vernacular media than the national media.”
Proberz made mention in its analysis Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III, son of Sen. Aquilino “Nene” Pimentel and Rep. Benigno Noynoy Aquino.
In SWS and Pulse Asia’s list, Koko Pimentel rates high while in Proberz list he is number 30. Noynoy, who is no. 20 in Proberz, is always ahead of his aunt in SWS and Pulse Asia.
Proberz said, “What also has surprised many political observers are the rather high ratings given (by other survey groups) to lawyer Aquilino Pimentel III. It is inconceivable that a neophyte political aspirant in the national scene regardless of whether he is a namesake of another public figure would rate higher than even the established political leaders. The same is true with Rep. Benigno Noynoy Aquino who is being bandied around as a ‘sure winner’ by some groups within the Opposition but the survey made by The Center will show that these assumptions have no basis at all.”
Nothing is sacred in these surveys. But there’s no harm in taking note of it..
What should surprise many is Mike Defensor’s name landing in 9th place. Previous surveys from other groups also listed him among the top 12. Ang tanong, paanong nangyari ito samantalang isa si Mike sa mga tuta ni Arroyo? I hope some of you especially those who are keen in political affairs could share you opinion and help give the answer to my question.
A clue to the results is gleaned from the sponsor(s) of the survey, also the credibility of the survey organizer matters. I still believe in the reliability of SWS, and partly Pulse, but I have no idea about this third group because it is relatively unknown and unpublished. Mike Defensor’s “winnability” in Proberz’s is surprising. Maybe one should start from there.
I wouldn’t be surprised if in the coming future before the May election, more from the administration’s side will be included in the top 12 and more opposition will be out of the winning circle except for Villar, Mukhang paangilinan and Joker Arroyo. I think at this early time, they are already trying to condition the mind of the people on who’s gonna land the top 12 while they are also setting up the cheating machines at the same time. So people of the Philippines, watch out!!!
The survey only shows that majority of Filipinos are not politicall matured inasmuch as majority cannot even read and write with a lot of them not even being able to enter school. So, if they are left with no choose but these rotten eggs, who do you think should be blamed?
Kawawang bansa!
This early, there are ads showing Sharon Cuneta and Kiko Pangilina, Vilma Santos and Ralph Recto. That explains why despite their past association with Arroyo, the two still land among the top. Si Mike Defensor naman hindi lang dito sa survey lumitaw pati na sa ibang surveys. Ewan ko ba kung anong meroon itong taong ito at nakalusot. Basta iisa lang ang malinaw. If there’s no rampant cheating, the opposition will get most numbers. Kaya nga litong-lito na ang taga Malacanan ngayon. Hindi nila alam ang gagawin. And that’s the reason why there’s an attempt to push a second People’s Initiative.
It’s just a survey that’s why The Other Survey. In days to come, maraming surveyors na lalabas, kanya-kanya nang concept of the survey, there will be different results.
Some of the surveys are based on visibility that’s why Mike Defensor who is always in the news, whether it’s good or bad for him, the public perception is, may ibubuga rin itong batang ito kahit makulit at pasaway.
But whatever it is, my fearless forecast is GMA candidates will have difficulty in landing in the top 12 come election time. Even the no read no write knows the kapalpakan of the administratioin and they are really itching for the May 7 elections. This is their remaining chance to be heard.
I have the chance to mingle with all kinds of people in the rural areas, in the streets, in the palengkes in Metro Manila, the squatters and the religious. They are well-informed as ever. The newspapers, the radio and television and everybody is texting. And GMA people knows this that’s why they are hell-bent in pushing for the cha-cha to avoid their slaughter in the coming elections.
Have faith in the Filipinos.
A survey is useful guide for senatorial candidates to work harder at grassroots level. It does not necessarily mean a sure victory at the polls. Abalos Comelec’s Dagdag-Bawas scheme is still intact. Malacanang‘s dirty works operatives may be targeting to minimize total 12-0 shut-out. Senators Manuel Villar, Francis Pangilinan, Ralph Recto, Joker Arroyo and Edgardo Angara are considered administration candidates. They have questionable loyalty. Based on surveys these senators are in the top 12 possible winners. In this case, Gloria Arroyo has five winning candidates in place masquerading as an opposition. Anyways, who are the real oppositionists? I’m confused like a baby.
But what’s focused in the Other Survey is only for senators. The real political battle is in the locals. Candidate for Congressman, Governor, Board Members, Mayors and Sangguniang Bayan member have already their tentative line-up and first week of January 2007, it will be finalized.
In my own survey, incumbents among the local officials who went for People’s Initiative, con-ass and chacha are on the defensive. They’ve got a lot explaining to do to their constituents on:
1. Why in every meeting called in the municipio or barangay, they were asked to sign in the attendance sheet. They realized now that those were the signatures gathered for PI without explaining what’s all about.
2. How much local funds they spent to campaign for the People’s Initiative?
3. Where is the money Malacanang doled out to the local officials in every time they are called for a national conference purposely to hear GMA proudly boast that the PI leading to cha-cha will be the cure-it-all on what ails our country?
4. The concerned local officials will be asked why all of a sudden, they changed party affiliation and now identified with the the administration?
Questions will be also asked from some senatoriables, who were with Joseph Estrada before, roundly criticized FPJ in 2004 and cavorted with GMA. Now that the goings is rough in riding with GMA, they aligned themselves with the opposition. We will know how our people vote and it could be very interesting. Let’s watch.
Lets have faith in the Filipinos, my friends.
Who are the real oppositionists? Good question. Some claim to be with the opposition but are actually with Arroyo. Si Angara noon pang halata iyan. Ang dapat natin subaybayan ay mga tulad ni Enrile. Baka dumating ng araw ay gumaya din siya kay Miriam Santiago. To me, the tested true oppositionists are Pimentel, the Estrada mother and son, Lacson, Serge Osmena and maybe Alfredo Lim. Sina Biazon at Gordon, duda pa rin ako. Even Villar is unpredictable.
Nakalulungkot dito sa Pilipinas baase sa kanilang record walang dapat pagkatiwalaan o paniwalaan. Ang SWS at Pulse Asia sa tantiya ko at ng maraming kakilala at least 7-10% way off ang resulta pabor sa nagbayad sa survey. Meron pa lumabas na balita yung pinsan ni FPJ sa UP nabigyan ng 10 milyon project ng Malakanyang.
Ano itong Proberz ni Ramos? Kung si Ramos hindi
dapat pagtiwalaan yung pang mga psy war niya. Sa
Proberz lamang daw si FPJ kay Gloria. Ang nangyari noong 2004, yung mga bayaran naglabas ng resulta pabor kay gloria. yun naglabas ng kontra resulta suspect din, para hindi naman obvious.
Noong panahon ng bilangan ng snap election ni Marcos, nandoon ako sa sa bilangan ng NAMFREL sa La Salle Greenhills. Pino pinong lang, nayari
si Marcos bagama’t hindi decisive, may nakita
ako doon na naging cabinet member at ibang nabigyan ng mataas na katungkulan pag upo ni Cory. Buti nga kay Marcos. Pasalamat si Cory sa NAMFREL, KAWAWANG BANSA PA RIN.
heto sasabihin ko ang alam ko, ang pagkakilala ko sa mga sinarbey. KAWAWANG PILIPINAS.
1. Former Senator Loren Legarda
Hindi mabaho at maalingasaw ang record ni Ms. Loren bagama’t wala rin akong nabalitang napakagaling na nagawa niya sa bansa. Ang buhay may asawa niya na tsismis. hindi ba siya lumabag sa sampung utos ng Diyos? Wala bang question sa moralidad niya. Popular lang ba ang naging dahilan naging senadora siya? Hindi ko siya iboboto.
2. Former Senator Vicente Sotto III
Kasama ito ng tatlong tanyag/notorious sa show biz na nabalitang kasangkot sa rape ng isang menor de edad na bomba star. walang nangyari sa kaso. Chairman siya ng anti drugs committee sa senado ng umalingasaw ang pangalan niya sa imbestigasyon ng isang drug lord. magandang buklatin ang mga report ng Komite niya sa Senado. Ano kaya ang damdamin ng ninuno niya na ang linis ng pangalan noon mag senador. HINDING HINDI KO IBOBOTO ITO.
3. Senator Francis Pangilinan
Napatunayan may magagawa ito sa bansa noong bilangan ng boto ni gloria sa Congreso – ang maging participant sa pag gahasa sa karapatan ng botanteng pumili ng pangulo ng bansa. Kung wala si sharon na anak ng isang local trapo sa hindi niya unang asawa, hindi raw mananalo ito bilang senador. Walang mai sisilbi ito sa kabutihan ng bansa. HINDI KO IBOBOTO ANG TAONG ITO.
4. Senator Ralph Recto
Dalawang apelyido ang nagdala dito sa Senado.Kamaganak niyang statesman at asawa niyang artista na naanakan ng iba. Si Ralph parang Sirkero mahusay mangabayo, isang paa
nakatungtung sa pangalan Recto, ang yung isa nakatungtung naman sa pangalang Vilma. Matalino at competent iboboto ko ito sa lower house pero hindi sa senado.
5-6. Senator Manuel Villar Jr. and Senator Panfilo Lacson
Si Villar isang tagumpay na businessman at alam niya kung gaano ka-corrupt ang business sector sa Pilipinas. May kakayahan, mayaman, at tila may pagpipigil pa sa kurakot. Dapat kay Villar city mayor o gobernador. hindi niya kailangan ang 100 milyon pisong pork barrel ng senador
Hindi na niya kailangan tumama ng limang beses sa lotto. HINDI KO IBOBOTO ANG TAONG ITO.
Si Panfilo Lacson Mr Clean ang dating, ayaw manalo ng limang beses sa lotto (pork barrel); tinapakan sa ilong ang tatlong arroyo at inalampaso sa dyaryo. pero laking duda ng tao sa nangyari noong 2004. Nadinig ko sa Cavite hindi raw siya iboboto noong 2004. Tulad ni General Lim, puedeng Mayor ito ng Manila. Hindi ko iboboto ito sa Senado
7-8. Senator Joker Arroyo and Sen. Luisa (Loi) Estrada.
Senator Joker Arroyo bakit tinawag ang taong ito ni Ninyez na Honorable Shit. Malas ang apelyido kaya suspetsa ng tao nagbago natalian ang kamay sa senado. Tulad ni Mrs. Arroyo at ni Abugadong Davide ginamit hindi talino kundi pagbilog ng batas sa katwiran upang bolahin ang mga tao. Seguro tulad ako ni Ninyez, HINDI KO IBOBOTO ANG TAONG ITO.
Si Loi Ejercito ng tumakbo bilang Estrada nawalan ako ng gana. Integrity lapse yun. Sumakay sa pangalang Estrada. Biktima siya ng asawa at ng politika. Martir na asawa, dangal di bagay sa politika. Para sa pahinga at peace of mind niya hindi na siya dapat kumandidata. Hindi ko rin siya iboboto, hindi bagay siyang senadora.
9. Presidential Chief of Staff Mike Defensor.
hindi ko kilala ang taong ito na sa palagay ng marami ay batang salot sa bansa. NOT ONE MINUTE IN A PUBLIC OFFICE. MAY DIPERENCIA ANG BATAS natin kung qualified ang klase ng taong ito na maging kandidato sa senado.
10. Senator Edgardo Angara
Sabi ko nga ang taong mayaman, mataas ang pinagaralan, naging mataas ang katungkulan pag may ginawang pinsala sa bayan mas matindi ang dapat na kaparusahan. May krimen bang ginawa ang taong ito? Malinis, Banayad, Walang sayad.
May ginawang bang mabuti para sa bayan ang taong ito? HINDI KO RIN ITO IBOBOTO.
11-12. Former Senator Tessie Aquino Oreta, MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando, Former Senator Gregorio (Gringo) Honasan.
Itong kapatid ni Ninoy, di na dapat pumasok sa politika, mayaman, malinis pa ang pangalan. Ayun isinayaw niya ang dangal para sa isang presidenteng ang dangal ay kasalukuyan pang pinagiisipan ng bayan. Para sa kanya at sa bayan Hindi ko siya iboboto.
Si Bayani isang magaling mayor at kalaban ng sidwalk vendor. doon na lang siya huwag na sa senado. sa senado tenor ka man kundi pera ang operang kanta, out of place ka lang. mag concert na lang silang tatlo ni AngeLina.
Si Gringo, dating close-in Colonel-Security Guard ni Mr. Ramos, Lakas talino at karanasan niya ang mag coup de etat. doon na lang siya, kasi naging senador siya, hindi nawala ang mga
conditionalities for toppling a corrupt government.
abangan ang kasunod. WALA PA RIN AKONG IBOBOTO.
SA BANDANG HULI SASABIHN KO ANG MGA PANGALAN NG GUSTONG MAPUNTA SA SENADO.
ayon naman sa ibang survey, mas lalong maghihirap ang Pilipinas sa 2007. Simple lang ang nakalap kong survey.
2007 is the year of the Pig..
I do not have a problem with surveys coming out with wide disparities in their results. It more or less provides a picture of who the real popular candidates are, diluted of course with those personalities whom the survey sponsor want(at the very least, hoped) to be included in the winnables list.
I don’t believe, though, that surveys are “pure”. I’m sure the survey company analysts would interpret grey areas always in favor of the sponsor’s interests and therefore, the final results should be perceived with the same caveat.
The real winnables, to me, would be those who commonly figure in the top 18 positions, whether in those sponsored by the administration (padded) and those sponsored by the opposition (shaved).
In both cases, Mike Defensor seems to be the only hardcore pro-Gloria candidate who may make the cut, that is enough consolation for me. You must understand that there’s still a considerable number of people who suck pus from Arroyo’s breasts but they can hardly agree among themselves who to vote for. Seems rational, doesn’t it?
The spinmeisters of the Enchanted Squatter may take Mike D.’s good showing as a ray of hope and build from there. To me, it’s a sure sign of defeat.
Nabanggit lang din di Gringo Honasan, kumusta na siya? Kumusta ang kanyang Pasko sa kulungan? Kung paanong init ang mga balita noon siya’y nadakip, napakatahimik naman ngayon ang tungkol sa kanya. Is there a back door negotiation going on? No one can dispute the charisma and influence of this person. Baka isang araw na lang mabalitaan uli natin na nakatakas na naman siya.
Re: Pasalamat si Cory sa NAMFREL
The neutrality of election watchdog NAMFREL is questionable. Jose Concepcion and Guillermo Luz had played partisan politics in the last presidential election. NAMFREL deliberately delayed the canvassing of FPJ stronghold areas and aborted its quick count at about 80% precincts votes. It also canvassed tampered election returns. NAMFREL is an extension of Makati Business Club (MBC) to protect their interests. MBC supported Gloria Arroyo in the last 2004 fraudulent-tainted election. Pasalamat din si Gloria sa NAMFREL.
Makalusot lang sina Cayetano at Escudero ay malaki nang pagbabago. Yan ang mga kalaban ni Fatso at ni Unano. Ang mga dati ng senador ay isa pa ring malaking biro.
BobVhoy, sa lahat ng pangalang inilista mo, tinatapos mo sa “hindi ko ito iboboto”. Except for Mike Defensor and Gringo Honasan. Are you an Alpha Sigman?
Mr. Guerrero, tama ang sinabi mo tungkol sa Namfrel na extension ng Makati Business Club. How could Namfrel be a credible volunteer group when the ones leading it were the same persons leading the business group who were identified with certain politicians. Pro-Cory at pro-Arroyo ang Namfrel. Marami ang nagsasabi na niluto ng Namfrel ang election noon nina Marcos at Cory. Namfrel conditioned the minds of the people into thinking that Cory won and Marcos cheated. That was what they also tried to do with Arroyo but didn’t do as hard since Arroyo’s cheating was more bold and rampant. Sobra na kasing halata kaya medyo kumambiyo ng kaunti ang Namfrel itong nakaraang election.
Different survey outfits have different lists and different numbers of senatorial aspirants. These differences, not considering the sampling methods used, are enough to produce differing results.
Despite all the “negatives”, I still have the maverick senator Joker, and the tireless senator Nene on my list.
Nakakapagtaka ang mga panukat at pagmamasid na iyan?
Bakit wala ang mga lider progresibo?
Si Crispin Beltran nakakulong?Si Ronald Lumbao nakulong na rin? Ang iba pang mga lider na nangunguna sa kilos protesta bakit wala sila?
Ang mga tunay na intelektuwal na naghahangad ng tunay at makabuluhang pagbabago, bakit hindi naisasama sa mga panukat/pagmamasid?
Kung survey din lang naman ang pagbabasehan, bakit hindi nirespeto ang tunay na resulta ng eleksyon noong 1998?
Bakit kailangan pang mag-eleksyon noong 2004, samantalang pwede naman dayain at isa lamang ang palulusutin?
“kahit na nandaya ay panalo pa rin” … namputsang katwiran yan oh?!
Robert V. Maich, Bob, certainly has made it clear why he will not vote for senatoriables he listed down. My observation is not one among the top 12 from Proberz survey is in his list. I’m eager to wait who got his yes vote.
I will declare my pick in due time and expect many will soon have theirs.
But first, let it be known that I’m a register voter in my hometown, have voted in every election, bought my cedula and paid my taxes in my town, presently residing in the Philippines and not holding any dual citizenship.
I’m not asking others to declare the same statement. It’s just my own in order for others to form their own assessment on who and why they merited our selections.
That survey will dramatically change once money will start pouring , movie personalities start appearing in the stages. This was my experience as a little boy growing-up until I left my country. Voters will not listen to there platform agenda. They like entertainment. I still had that vivid memory when Ferdinand Marcos the senate president (nationalist party) run against the incumbent Macapagal (liberal party).. On Marcos meeting de avanche in our town the people are not listening to him .They are watching his biopic Iginuhit ng Tadhana. Helicopter dropping Marcos samples ballot everyday. Macapagal was beaten because he was a poor man from Lubao. Although ,he was an incumbent he was beaten badly. No movies, no entertainment, no free candies and free pack of elcid cigarettes from him .Marcos has all of those give-away .His financier is Fernando Lopez.
This was Gloria’s experience of defeat she’d witness to his old man. Mike Defensor will be 0n top 5 because Gloria will pour him with golds.Angelo Reyes will not make it among Gloria’s bet .He need cosmetic surgery from his past .Koko Pimentel,Lacson,Escudero, are my bet on the opposition. In the congress it’s a pipe dreams if the opposition can muster the numbers,they may even lost some.Gloria will pampers all her candidates from senate to congress.Voters in the provinces will forget the cha-cha,Garci,Jose Pidal and Bolante.Once they’ll hear the sound of Boom-Tarat-Tarat and Para sa iyo ang laban ko the game is over without Garci’s Midas touch.
Nakakatawa tayong lahat, we are all unwilling participants sa mga pakulo nina gloria. Eto tayo ngayon, pinag-uusapan ang mga kandidato para sa susunod na halalan. Sana’y huwag muna nating kalimutan na isulong ang pagbabago sa pamunuan ng COMELEC. Wala bang magagawa ang mga Oposisyon upang pansamantala man lamang kung hindi tuluyan munang maalis si benjamin abalos sa kaniyang puwesto?
and cocoy, nakakatakot man isipin at tanggpin ang sinasabi mo tungkol sa Boom-tarat-tarat gimik nina gloria, kaya lang ay ito talaga ang pinanghahawakan ng kaniyang grupo. Dahil ang tingin nga nila sa mga Pilipino ay mga patay-gutom, mang-mang, at uto-uto.
and Robert V. Maich, sa hinabahaba ng mga sinabi mo, ang bottomline mo ay wala kang iboboto? Kabayan, in times such as this, I guess the best way would be to “choose the lesser evil”? Kasi kung hindi ka boboto, ibig sabihin nuon boycott ka, at kung boycott ka ibig sabihin nuon payag ka lang na mamayagpag ang mga aswang na kampon ni gloria. Although your individual analysis of these prominent candidates are not far from the truth.
Mas mabuting sabihin na lang ni Kabayang Robert kung sino ang iboboto niya. Kung wala naman siyang iboboto, walang saysay ang pagbigay niya ng opinion sa bawa’t isang kandidato. But I think he has some good points about the credentials of some candidates. Medyo nalilito lang ako sa position niya kung sa opposition ba siya o administration.
ang resulta ng kung ano anong survey na ‘yan ay batay din sa ibinabayad ng kung sinong nagpapa-survey katulad din sa panahon ng alinmang halalan lalo na sa mga depressed na lugar kung saan ang mga botante ay nabibili ng mga ganid at sakim na pulitiko sa halagang pantawid gutom para sa ilang araw.
ang tunay na pagkilatis sa mga nagnanais na pumalaot sa “marangal” na mundo ng pulitika, lalo na ‘yung “mapapaklang balimbing” at “matatalas na baliktarin” ay magagawa sa isang “harapan” lamang. ang isang salita ay sapat na upang mabatid natin ang tunay na saloobin at layon ng sino man sa kanila, ‘yun pa kayang halos araw araw ay naririnig, nababasa at nakikita natin ang mala-hunyangong kulay ng karamihan?
maniniwala lamang akong magiging patas ang halalan (kung matutuloy) sa mayo 2007 kung mawawala ang mga salamangkero sa COMELEC at ang mapapapuwesto ay mga matitinong taong may paninidigan at prinsipyo. at sana naman, meron pang natitirang ganito.
One person who I wish were on that list in Oscar Orbos.
Other personal choices not in the surveys: Randy David, Eggie Apostol, Cheche Lazaro, and maybe Ramon Magsaysay Jr.
Those in the list whom I’ll most probably vote for (as of now, anyway): Legarda, Villar, Cayetano, and maybe Joker Arroyo and Escudero.
Also, I wonder: will either (or both) Bro. Eddie or Susan Roces end up running?
“Makalusot lang sina Cayetano at Escudero ay malaki nang pagbabago”
Yikes! Whiners do not deserve to be in the Senate! Puro mga borrowed glory lang naman ang mga yan! Kung may Sharon si Sen. Kiko, may Sal Escudero at Rene Cayetano naman sina Chiz at Alan respectively.
Aber, ano ang kanilang legislative record?
The Batasan 5 are my first 5 candidates for the Senate. Sigurado ako, for these 5, they stand for ideology. Satur Ocampo would make a great Senate President.
Eh yung ‘united opposition’ puro “KAMI NAMAN” ang slogan. Gusto lang ibalik si Erap sa Malacañang. Pwe! WALA AKONG IBOBOTO SA ‘UNITED OPPOSITION’
(pwera na lang kung tumakbong independent si Ping Lacson)
GMA is very confident these days that she has the military in her pockets.
The military is the key in the other successfull people power.
GMA is smart, she know where to put her money. She does not care about the people since she knows it is the military that can throw her out like what happened in Thailand.
Justice here in the Philippines is a joke, whether it be in the Regional Trial Courts, Count of Appeals, Supreme Court,…even the NLRC is a joke.
Justice is for sale to the highest bidder.
The Batasan 5 has no money to launch a nationwide campaign unless they have rich patrons to finance their political campaign. Omnibus Election Code limits each candidate should spend about P1.50 per voter multiplied by 49 million registered voters (Comelec 2007 projection) = P73.5 M . At least each senatorial candidate must have P100 M to spend. How much the annual income for a senator? Rep. Satur Ocampo can retire in luxury with 100 million pesos. In 1987 national election the so-called Magnificent 7 left-wing senatorial candidates (Partido ng Bayan) lost miserably due to lack of campaign funds. A stand for ideology is not enough to win an election. Walang pera talo!
TonGuE-tWisTeD Says:
December 27th, 2006 at 6:57 am
BobVhoy, sa lahat ng pangalang inilista mo, tinatapos mo sa “hindi ko ito iboboto”. Except for Mike Defensor and Gringo Honasan. Are you an Alpha Sigman?
sagot: hindi ko sila iboboto, paliwanag sa ibaba. hindi rin ako barbarian, lalong hindi ako
alpha sigma (beginning and summation? ano yun?)
sa mga naging senador na frat member (ang ilan sina Salonga, Angara, Drilon, Marcos, Enrile, at iba pa) si Ninoy lang (Upsilonian ang alam kong namatay na hindi pa nakakapinsala sa bayan)
Tao lang ang mga frat members tulad ng nagtutulak ng kariton, corruptible at nagiging tunay na Pinoy Politikong Kurakot.
nagsisimula ang sindikatuhan sa eskwelahan
Ano ba fraternity ni Anwar Ibrahim, Chen Shui-Bian, Lee Kuan Yew, Mahatir Mohammad at iba pa?
9. Presidential Chief of Staff Mike Defensor.
hindi ko kilala ang taong ito na sa palagay ng marami ay batang salot sa bansa. NOT ONE MINUTE IN A PUBLIC OFFICE. MAY DIPERENCIA ANG BATAS natin kung qualified ang klase ng taong ito na maging kandidato sa senado.
11.-12 Si Gringo, dating close-in Colonel-Security Guard ni Mr. Ramos, Lakas talino at karanasan niya ang mag coup de etat. doon na lang siya, kasi naging senador siya, hindi nawala ang mga conditionalities for toppling a corrupt government.
Ooops, tinamad na ang daliri ko sa pagtipa ng HINDI KO IBOBOTO ANG MGA TAONG ITO. Sori akala ko malinaw na ang mga sinabi ko. Si Mike D. papano kong iboboto, eh ayaw ko ngang mga qualify na kandidato yan.
si Gringo naman sayang ang pogi, naging baron pa naman. Defecto na rin ng AFP na overpaid ang close-in security ni Gen Ramos noon. Full colonel pa (si Gringo) dapat Captain na lang.
Maganda ang political platform ni Gringo na ginawa yata ng kanyang Chief of Staff noon sa Senado. Sabi ko wala siyang nagawa ukol sa coup de etat. Parang bang si Joma, si Satur, si Etta naging mga senador pero walang nagawa sa rason na nagdala sa kanila sa senado. Pipili na lang ako ng iba. para maliwanag, hindi ko iboboto si Gringo.
Abangan ang mga napili ko, puedeng tiradorin o sumpakin. Pinoy lang sila at pinoy din akong pipili.
bob,
complicado masyado ang eleksyon dyan. dito po sa amin isang kandidato lang ang botohin,mamili ka kong kandidato ng partido gusto mo, kahit pangit o bobo, panakaguapo o maganda at matalino kahit anong partido, kahit walang partido (malamang di manalo) o kaya kung walang kang gusto puede isang malaking X na lang bilang “protesta boto” bibilangin rin yon. di madali lang, walang fraternity frat na yan, walang elite na elite na yan, at walang bilihan, ikaw pa nga ang abuloy sa kandito gusto mo, baligtad naman ito situwasyon namin dito. dyan na lang ako buboto. puede?
yun mga fraternity sa UP na lumaganap pati sa ibang Pamantasan hanggang sa mga criminal gangs sa lansangan (AK RHO wala na ngayon) hanggang sa boy scout fraternity na may oblation run na ngayon sa Diliman ay Kano heritage sa atin. wala sa England niyan Old Boys Club lang, na sistemang inampon din ng mga siranador at tongresista sa distribution ng envelope sa ating congreso.
Panahon ni Marcos, Upsilon at Sigma Rho at Vanguard ang mga namayagpag, Panahon ni Gloria Sigma Rho daw ang nanalasa sa bansa. Mabubuting estudyante miembro ng mga sindikato yan na hindi ganid sa kapangyarihan at nakaw na kwarta ang pakay habang nasa campus, grades lang at chicks. Sumamang tao ng mapasok sa bulok na sistema ng politika.
Isa sa magandang sinabi ni Anwar Ibrahim noon sa BBC World Debate with Stephen Sackur(katapusan ng Oktubre 2006) – ang kailangan ng Civil Society at ang accountability.
Magagaling ang mga guest sa programa ng BBC na napanood ko na yun…
Mas kaaya aya pang pakinggan ang mga sinasabi at talumpati ng mga lider sa South East Asia kaysa sa mga lider dito sa “Kamaynilaan”.
Spartan
wala pa ako sa puwit ng listahan kasi loaded ang survey. si Cayetano na anak ng tatay niya, aking iboboto. Hindi na kailanan sabihin ko kung bakit. Ganun sana ang aking mga kandidato. Di lang ako ang nakakakilala na mabuting tao.
eksakto Robert! ganyan din ang mga mistah system, sorority at mga brotherhood.
suriin mo ang Couples for Christ(kuno) at iba pang mga grupo dito sa bansa.
sigurado ako na itong JC Spice ni Mike Defensor ay gagamitin nya sa ambisyon nya!
Isa yan sa promotor ng “CUBAOIZATION of Philippine Politics”
Vic
pogi ang prime minister ninyo at ng UK. bakit sa
ibang bansa, qualified na pogi pa o kaya beauty queen material: margaret thatcher, tisay, kutis onion; golda meir, indira gandhi, mdme sukarno, mga pm ng sri lanka, bangladesh, governor general ng canada maganda, ay di tulad ni gloria, hindi qualified maging WAC o babaeng pulis, naging commander in cheat.
Michaëlle Jean our current Governor General is Beauty and Brain all-in-one. yes, bob kong ganon di pala kami nabubulag sa manga bola at yabang at ngal ngal nang kandidatos. Si Gloria daw post Graduate ng Ivy League, ‘yan magaling mambola at sinunggaling pa. Si JVD ang alam ko “genius” din daw yon…sayang. pinagbigyan ng taong bayan para magamit yong katalinuhan sinayang sa katarantadahun. tingnan mo yan yong DOJ Secretary, abogado rin yon, ginagago ang batas. hay tama na and PM namin may problema rin sumobra ata sa limit ang contribution nya sa partido last year. papalo-in din yon, pero di naman masyado masakit, ibalik lang naman ang sobra..
Ellen,
gusto ko na maibahagi ito sa mga mag-aaral ng mass media:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_6100000/newsid_6100800/bb_wm_6100878.stm
sana ay maisama ito sa archives ng blog mo Ellen.
Canada’s Prime Minister Harper reminds me of the late John F Kennedy. Magkahawig pati pagsasalita. Good looks but bad foreign policy. His big mistake was to echo President Bush’s line. That makes him unpopular today to the Canadians. As a matter of fact, there are moves to replace him through as election. Sa kasaysayan ng Canada na palaging neutral, ngayon lang kung saan-saan at kani-kanini kumakampi ang Canada. All these just because of Harper. Canada’s Governor General is lovely, Black Beauty. Siguro may halong ibang dugo, hindi purong itim. And why are all Canadian politicians especially those occupying very hight posts should know how to speak French? Kapag pinanonood ko ang mga session o meeting nila sa Parliament, puro French na lang ang usapan samantalang magaling naman mag-English. Pero talo sila kay Arroyo. Arroyo claims she is multilingual. She speaks money, power, lies and cheating.
Noong 2004, bomoto ako. laki ng pagasa ko, lumabas yung ibinoto ko (hindi si gloria) na magaling sana, may pinagaralan at may decision ay lumabas na walang utang na loob, tila tumubo pa ng malaki, kung ginamit ang utak niya presidente sana siya ngayon. ANG SAMA LOOB KO. DISAPPOINTED AKO.
Ang problema ko ngayon, yung gusto kong maging senador hindi naman kandidato. Wala yatang nangyari, walang balita sa registration ko. at saka di pa seguradong meron eleksiyon.
Kung sakali parang ka pareho ng ilang consider ko sa ibang pinili ni pinoy-gising
pinoy_gising Says:
December 27th, 2006 at 2:38 pm
One person who I wish were on that list in Oscar Orbos.
Other personal choices not in the surveys: Randy David, Eggie Apostol, Cheche Lazaro, and maybe Ramon Magsaysay Jr.
Consider ko rin ang mga yan, kung kandidato sila at makaboboto ako.
vic
pamana rin sa atin ng kano yan. bulag na pagmamahal sa diploma at titulo. Okay naman
noon, NGAYON sinimulan ni gloria naging walang kwenta na daming pekeng degrees. Nabawasan ang respeto sa mga Doctor lalo na sa economics.
Buti pa si Ting Roxas doctor man o hindi magaling na economist.
sinimulan ni Dadong yan na dalawa daw ang doctorate: economics at civil law. wala namang nagawa kundi walong taon nagkampanya. presidente na kampanya pa rin ng kampanya. Marami sa mga Pamantasan natin walang doctorate
tulad din ng mga may PhDs magaling ding magturo. Pero meron may PhD hindi naman marunong, magturo man o maging malinis politiko. Kung bubo ka hindi ka puedeng magturo. Kung may doctorate ka, kahit bubo ka puede kang magturo. Ganyan sa atin ngayon. Kung wala kang doctorate hindi puedeng maging presidenteng kolihiyo. Dapat bumili ng doctgorate.
sa panahon ni gloria pati mga aso, baboy,
surot at ipis na-insulto, sapagkat nagamit sila
sa pag kumpara sa kasamaan ni gloria at mga alipores niya.
Sino ang ibinoto mo noong 2004, Robert? Baka pareho tayo ng manok. Tutoong maraming walang utang-na-loob. Marami sa atin ang naging biktima ng mga sinungaling na pulitiko. But think about the many other people who were also deceived by these politicians. Hindi lang naman ikaw at ako. Sino din iyong Senador na hindi lumabas? Huwag naman si Osmena, Maceda o Mercado ha?
mandirigma,
abangan, sa bandang springtime mayron na naman eleksyon, dahil minority itong gobyerno ni PM Harper’s Conservatives. Pero walang pa planong palitan siya bilang leader nang Partido, ito ay kung sakali matalo ang partido, hindi na siya maghintay na palitan, mismo magresign na lang. Alam mo kung bakit sunod sunod ang conservative sa republicans sa estate pareho ang Ideology nitong dalawang partidos. Dati palagi lang Neutral ang Canada, ngayon di na ganyan ang patakaran, dahil pagpalagi ka raw daw sa neutral, di ka maka-alis. hehe. Sa parliament naman bahala ka kong french o english ang gamitin, and nakakatawa pa dyan mismo sila rin mismo ang magtranslate ng sariling salita, una english, sundan ng french translation, pero ang manga quebecois (taga quebec ayaw magsalita ng english, kahit na alam) liban lang sa manga party leaders. akala mo kayo lang ang maykalokohan ah?
Salamat ng marami Vic sa iyong paliwanag. What do you think about the newly selected Liberal Party Dion? French yata ang first language niya dahil medyo nahihirapan mag-English. As a matter of fact, some demand that he gives up his French citizenship. Puwede bang maging Prime Minister ng Canada na hindi marunong mag-French? I think knowledge of French language is one criteria.
Bob, naintriga ako sa:
Robert V. Maich Says:
December 27th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Noong 2004, bomoto ako. laki ng pagasa ko, lumabas yung ibinoto ko (hindi si gloria) na magaling sana, may pinagaralan at may decision ay lumabas na walang utang na loob, tila tumubo pa ng malaki, kung ginamit ang utak niya presidente sana siya ngayon. ANG SAMA LOOB KO. DISAPPOINTED AKO.
KUNG HINDI SI GLORIA ANG TINUTUKOY MO, SINO SIYA NA PRESIDENTE SANA SIYA NGAYON?
Ang palagay ko kung hindi si FPJ ay si Lacson. Since FPJ is already dead and we normally don’t speak ill of a dead person, I think Robert might be referring to Senator Lacson.
To be party leader, thereby becoming a PM when your party won the most seat, you have to win the party leadership as per process of election by the party. Qualifications only that you are 18 years (qujalified to vote) old and a Canadian Citizen, but to win the leadership you have to be at least ‘somebody’ to convince the membership that you can carry the party to Victory, not necessarily a fluent bilingual, but a working knowlege of both languages. English and French are the two official languages of Canada. Actually everything here is dual, if you look at label and signage of all products and govt. documents and records are available and should always be in both languages. magastos.. For Messr. Dion, his mother is French Citizen by birth, thereby giving him a right to French Citizenship and he carried both citizenships. That is not an issue here, since Canada allows multiple citizenships and only consider one class of citizen for her own. It is only an issue to the voters, if they want to vote for the Leader’s party whose allegiance maybe divided. Our Governor General has to renounce her French Citizenship after it has become an issue of loyalty, she didn’t have to, but I think it is for the sake of Unity and to settle the issue. I hope Stephane Dion will follow suit when he becomes PM.
BOB,
KUNG HINDI SI GLORIA ANG TINUTUKOY MO, SINO SIYA NA PRESIDENTE SANA SIYA NGAYON?
Sa aking palagay, under the present situation, ang pinaka una sa listhan na maging presidente after Gloria is Noli de Castro being the sitting vice president.
Pero I doubt kung siya ang tinutukoy mo na magaling, may pinag-aralan at may decision.
Kung si Noli de Castro siya, hindi ko sinasabing hindi siya magaling o walang pinagaralan, pero wala siyang DECISION kung yon ang batayan. Sapagkat kung may decision siya, sana tinaggap niya ang alok na tumalikod kay Gloria sa kasagsagan ng Hello Garci tapes scandal. Baka nabago ang takbo ng pangyayari at siya ang naging presidente. Kahit ayaw nang marami, siya ang may karapatan higit kaninuman na pumalit kay Gloria. It’s my perception during that crucial period.
Kung hindi si Noli de Castro, sino siyang walang utang na loob at tila tumubo pa ng malaki? Nagtatanong lang po.
Chabeli,
Let’s study and make final our list of candidates for distribution to our family and friends in pinas. It’ll be fun!
That’s a good idea, Chi (?). Chi is a unique name. I wonder what your first name is. Ano kaya kung gumawa tayo ng sarili natin listahan ng mga kandidato sa Senado? Then, if all agree on the list we support them through this forum.
You can start by coming up with your own list, Chi. Tapos daanin natin sa process of elimination. Si Ms. Ellen Tordesillas dahil bilang isang iginagalang na writer at may malawak na kaalaman sa pulitika puwedeng maging adviser natin dito. She can review the list and provide an honest evaluation of each candidate. Once we have come up with the final list, we could support these candidates. What do you think?
Chi,
Okay, let’s do that ! Great idea ! That sounds like fun nga ! How do you propose we start this ? Do we come up with a whole list of possible Senatoriables ? Or those who want to join in, like Mandirigma, come up with a top 5 Senatoriables & then we consolidate nalang a list-parang team work lahat tayo ? What’s your take on that idea, Chi?
The Daily Tribune website carried a story where “Mrs. Arroyo, during an interview with Bloomberg television station, likened herself to a “laser beam” that had never been out of focus on matters that needed her attention, and that if she has survived numerous attempts in the past critical years, she is more confident she would survive until 2010.
When asked how confident she is that she would stay in power, the Chief Executive said, “Definitely. The fact that in spite of all the challenges, I continue to focus like a laser beam on the economy and well, my opponents get defeated at every turn.””
Ha ha ha. Gloria shouldn’t speak ahead of her time. It’s not over until the Fat Lady sings. The bloggers here of Ms. Ellen will be the ones who will LASER BEAM GLORIA OUT OF MALACAÑAN !
Chabeli, Chi, friends, let’s call it: Ellen’s Blog Survey!
To my question to Robert V. Maich: Kung hindi si Gloria and tinutukoy mo, sino siya na presidente sna siya ngayon.
mandirigma Says:
December 28th, 2006 at 12:24 am
Ang palagay ko kung hindi si FPJ ay si Lacson. Since FPJ is already dead and we normally don’t speak ill of a dead person, I think Robert might be referring to Senator Lacson.
Mangdirigma, I think Robert is not referring to Lacson because he said: Lumabas yong ibinoto ko (hindi si Gloria), na magaling sana, may pinag-aralan at may decision.
He’s referring to somebody who won. It’s not Lacson but being a senator with remaining terms, he continues as such.
Salamat po joeseg. Sinong senator ang walang utang na loob. Hindi kaya si Jamby Madrigal? I’m told this lady senator is also a hypocrite. Kunwari maka-masa pero napakamata-probre daw. About coming up with our own survey, sige umpisahan na natin. Since this forum has reached over a million visitors, our survey can be credible. We’re independent here and no one can question Ms. Tordesillas’ character. Kapag nagtagumpay tayo at lumabas halos lahat ang kandidato natin dito, baka gawin tayong official survey group sa susunod.
Mandirigma at JoeSeg
Nasa abroad yata kayo noong kainitan ng 2004. Yung binoto ko may koneksyon kay Erap tungkol sa utang na loob, may koneksyon din kaY FPJ na dapat sinuportahan at pinagbigyan. Nabulilyaso ni Angara, Enrile, Sotto, at iba pa. Greatness requires overcoming many political snakes. Hindi niya nagawa yun. Fast big bucks which can come from the enemy and big business political investors alike might have been the easy choice than tackling the snakes. Nalibang ako, dapat hindi na ako bomoto.
Ang conclusion ko si Senator Lacson ang tinutukoy mo kabayan Robert. But in fairness to him, I think he’s quite consistent in most of his declaration. Nasira lang ang opposition noon dahil kina Angara, Sotto at Oreta. Angara is Cong. Zamora’s mortal enemy and Lacson happened to be allied with Zamora. That was the beginning of the feud.
Vic
I think you are wrong, if the 2004 elections is our basis of election complexity. Na simplify na ni Gloria. election here is about summary and consolidation of election returns. Nobody noticed that guns, goons and gold are already obsolete, passe’. hindi na kasing bloody ng mga last elections. Ginamit ni Gloria kapalit ng guns, goons and gold ay tatlo rin: COMELEC, PNP, at AFP. Wala nga akong alam na tinutukan ng baril. May gulo local politics lang, hindi involved ownership ng Pilipinas.
It is so simple that kailangan na lang tatlong tao sa Congreso: Si speaker Joe devil (Inutil yung senate President Frank na Dril na yun) at si Pangilinan at si Gonzalez. Tapos na ang election. Dapat sa tatlong yan litsunin ng taong bayan.
Election returns, ballot boxes meron ba noon? Tignan ninyo si Loren palaging ballot boxes ang napapanaginipan. Nightmare na ni Loren ngayon. In terms of positions, dalawa lang House chair and Senate chair of Canvassing ang kailangan. Obsolete sa mga yan ang mga computers. Yun ibang kaKAMPI bayad ng lahat yun. Yun mga pumipiyok na manok, naghihintay na pagkatapos ng declaration of winner BAKA MAAMBUNAN, AT YUNG KUNTING OPOSISYON KUNG MAY ATRASO SA BAYAN (BAKLA O DAMING QUERIDA O MAY KASO SA OMBUDSMAN) TIKLOP NA LANG TAKOT MAUPAKAN NI GLORIA.
ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINES CAN YOU HAVE SUCH A SIMPLE UNCOMPLKICATED NATIONAL ELECTION.
Baka ang ibig sabihin ni Gloria Fantasia ay LIAR Beam. Bagsak and ekonomia dahil sa kanyang voodoo ecomonics.
JoeSeg
kaninong dictionary ba nakalista si Noli
de Castro. Baka siya nakalista sa dyaryong
pambalot ng galunggong. Tignan ninyo si
Dadong noong bise presidente, apat na taong nagkampanya. Naging presidente hindi niya namalayan apat na taong kampanya pa rin, yung pala gustong maging president for life. Ang anak niyang si Gloria nagmana, natuto. Noong bise presidente si gloria hindi lang nagkampanya nagsimula pa ng conspiracy para traidoren at maagaw ang presidencia.
Si Noli ngayon bise presidente, nagkampanya ba?
ayun maligaya under house arrest sa Malakanyang ni Gloria. Pare-pareho sila mga salot sa bansa.
Si noli mabuti pa yun silya, may silbi nauupuan.
Kabayan Robert, ganoon din ang analysis ko sa nakaraang election. Di tulad noon na goons at gold gamit, ngayon ay Comelec at Militar na. Well, if you have the Comelec and the Military, why is there need for goons and money? Comelec is equivalent to money and PNP/AFP are the goons. Si Noli naman, sinayang niya ang pagkakataon na pumalit kay Arroyo noon. By law and based on the constitution, he had the rights to take over pero umayaw. Tama din ang pagpili ni Arroyo kay Noli dahil napatunayan talagang harmless ito sa trono niya.
mandirigma
rokect. denying I voted for who I thought was
the best man to lead the country will not change anything. because he most of all has the hands of steel to break the neck of the bad elements in the country. He still is, but the cracks were there for everyone to see. He missed his polar express which will not come again.
Tapos gusto naman ngayon Mayor ng Manila. I recall Lacson declaring on nationwide TV that he would never enter politics because he hated politicians. Tapos ngayon isa din palang pulitiko.
hindi kaya si roco ang tinutukoy na presidente sana ngayon?
Pero patay na si Roco. Nabanggit kasi ni Robert na walang utang na loob. Paano magkaka-walang utang na loob ang isang patay na? But if Roco didn’t die and became the President, he would have been a better leader. Nagtaka lang ako sa maaga niyang pag-surrender at pag-concede kay Arroyo. The votes were still to be counted yet. Nag-uumpisa pa lang ang bilangan umamin na agad ng pagkatalo. Even his men were surprised by his very early declaration. Tuloy may nagduda pang baka isa din siyang pakawala ni Arroyo sa election para mahati ang boto.
“Ginamit ni Gloria kapalit ng guns, goons and gold ay tatlo rin: COMELEC, PNP, at AFP.”
The 3 G’s of old were not employed only in Gloria’s case. The local politics was very much the same in 2004 as it was in the past decades and as it is today. Look at Chito Bersamin.
Gloria simply knew that the old guns, goons and gold was not enough to steal the votes from the very popular actor.
She formulated her own 3 G’s: Generals, Gambling Lords and Garci.
Of course, we know what happened next, she overindulged in more 3 G’s: Greed, Guile, and Graft.
I think the better way to describe it is to say that Arroyo not only used the usual old three Gs, she added more (Comelec and Military).
Robert, nasa Pilipinas ako noong 2004 hanggang ngayon pa naman. I was very much involved in the local elections and my candidates won. Sabi ko nga lang, naintriga ako sapagkat ito ang statement mo:
Robert V. Maich Says:
December 27th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Noong 2004, bomoto ako. laki ng pagasa ko, lumabas yung ibinoto ko (hindi si gloria) na magaling sana, may pinagaralan at may decision ay lumabas na walang utang na loob, tila tumubo pa ng malaki, kung ginamit ang utak niya presidente sana siya ngayon. ANG SAMA LOOB KO. DISAPPOINTED AKO.
Ang pagkaintindi ko at maliwanag na nakasulat:
Lumabas yong ibinoto mo (hindi si Gloria. Sumakatuwid, nanalo yong ibinoto mo noong 2004 eleksiyon. Eh si Lacson, talo bilang presidente. Ayon sa iyo, hindi rin si Noli.
But anyway, baka mali lang ang pagkaintindi ko. Let’s move on.
Chabeli,
Let’s do it. We already started it last month ba ‘yon when we eliminated names of senatoriables we don’t like. One thing, there’s no official names yet to consider. We can name those we don’t like for a start and compare. Mas madali ng pumili after we eliminated those barumbados.
Mandirigma,
Chi ang aking petname. As I said, my grandpa called me Chi after Tai-Chi, a Chinese martial arts for balancing the yin and yang .
****
Guys,
Kung si Lacson ay nagbigay noon kay FPJ, siya ang presidente ngayon!
Sobrang hirap na madaya ni Glueria ang tambalang FPJ-Lacson. Kaya mukhang may nambuwag.
Guys, let’s start the fun of naming our candidates. Ellen’s Blog survey.
Inspite of my earlier fearless forecast that senatoriables identified with GMA will have difficulty landing in the magic 12, I come up with the possible senatorial candidates I would like to vote, including two GMA men.
But first, I will reiterate that I am a Filipino citizen, a qualified register voter in my hometown, religiously paying my cedula and taxes and have voted in every election since 1986. I am including this rejoinder for my own purpose.
Here my 12 possible senatorial candidates:
1. Loren Legarda (top notch senator)
2. Panfilo Lacson (articulate, with balls)
3. Manny Villar (Speaker of the House, Senate President)
4. Joker Arroyo (articulate and legally minded)
5. Francis Escudero (youthful and articulate)
6. Teddy Casino (activist, youthful and articulate)
7. Dik Dilangalen (articulate, we must have a Muslim Senator)
8. Mike Defensor (youthful and articulate. GMA nino bonito)
9. Bayani Fernando (outstanding local chief executive)
10. Mike Velarde (let him practice what he preached)
11. Eddie Villanueva (let him practice what he preached)
12. Allan Paguia (his legal mind is a welcome addition)
My only criteria: Who can speak out on issues, whether pros or cons. Hindi magbubutas ng bangko sa senado.
My selection is a combination and youth, experience and capacity to make things going in their own way and translate it to the Senate as a LAWMAKING BODY. Admittedly, they are not all winners but it is how I think should compose the new batch of senators, if there will be an election. I’m not persuaded of partisan politics although I’m more inclined to go with those not cavorting with GMA. Let’s be kind to some animals.
So, I’m including Mike Defensor. My perception is he’ll make a better senator compared to Lito Lapid & Bong Revilla. Bayani Fernando is full of bright and innovative ideas.
I earlier posted my choices for the 12 slots. Here naman why I didn’t include the following:
1. Eduardo Angara – sure winner but his flip-flopping is a turn-off.
2. Tito Sotto – a sure winner but I rather he give way to others. His 12 years in the Senate stint is enough.
3. Kiko Pangilinan – a probable winner. But he was NOTED for being naughty to FPJ. Just be alalay to Sharon.
4. Ralph Recto –a probable winner. He’s a balimbing. A soap opera with Vilma will be highly rated.
5. Loi Ejercito or JVE Estrada – nandoon pa si Jinggoy, isa-isa lang.
6. Allan Cayetano – hayaan na muna si Pia Cayetano.
7. Koko Pimentel – nandoon pa rin si Nene Pimentel.
8. Korina Sanchez & Mike Enriquez – kahit rated K, wag na lang nilang tantanan sa broadcast media
9. Tessie Aquino Oreta & Noynoy Aquino – the wit and charm of Ninoy not transferable
10. Imee Marcos – doon na lang siya sa Ilocos Norte as Governor after Bongbong.
11. Kit Tatad and John Osmena – their better days are over.
12. Gringo Honasan – Trillanes could be more exciting.
13. Satur Ocampo – age matters and his being left leaning is a turn-off.
14. Ricardo Puno – there’s a puno in Supreme court, there’s a puno with GMA, punong puno na.
15. Bunye, Ermita, Angelo Reyes – sorry guys. You happened to be among GMA minions.
16. Lito Atienza – splendid job in Manila. He’s better off as MMDA Chairman after Bayani F.
17. Ace Barbers – he maybe a number 1 barber but he extended manicuring the fingers of GMA.
18. Prosperos Pichay & Nograles – Merry Christmas and 2 Propero less new year!
19. Villafuerte, Lagman, Jaraula – ask yourself why you are not included in the latest survey.
20. JDV – exfuture Prime Minister JDV – don’t ask yourself why your name is not included in any survey thus far. Bakit kaya, Kuya Eddie?
21. Manny Pacquiao and Efren Bata Reyes – just be on the sidelines. You’re in for more winning plums.
joeseg
sori, my fault, inulit ko pa yung salitang lumabas for emphasis pero lalo yatang lumabo. GANITO YUN:
Noong 2004, bomoto ako. laki ng pagasa ko, PERO lumabas (IT APPEARED, IT TURNED OUT) yung ibinoto ko (hindi si gloria) na magaling sana, may pinagaralan at may decision ay lumabas (IT APPEARED, IT TURNED OUT) na walang utang na loob, tila tumubo pa ng malaki, kung ginamit ang utak niya presidente sana siya ngayon. ANG SAMA LOOB KO. DISAPPOINTED AKO.
I dit not use lumabas as synonymous to nanalo.
Robert, it’s ok na. Naintindihan ko. Na-realized ko rin, baka dun sa words lumabas medyo ako nalito dahil sinundan mo ng (hindi si Gloria).
Sayang nga si Lacson. Actually, I voted for him dahil sabi ko nga may balls. But that’s past. What’s this I read he’s having second thought of running as Manila mayor? It’s probably the reason why he’s not no. 2 to Loren Legarda in the Proberz survey.
So, I’m waiting for your choice for senators after listing down sa mga hindi mo iboboto.
joeseg,
Dahil wala pang opisyal na listahan, and sigurado lang ako na hindi ko iboboto/ng pamilya ko sakaling kakandidato ay ang mga sumusunod:
1) Kiko Noted Cuneta Pangilinan
2) Ralph Recto Santos
3) Manny Villar Palundag-lundag
4) Edgardo Angara (I don’t like taksil)
5) Joker Arroyo (ayaw ko na sa kanya)
6) Little Mike Defensor (bata pa ay tradpol na)
Iyong iba ay pipiliin ko pa kapag nagpahayag na sila ng serioso.
mas maganda kung gagawa tayo ng listahan ng mga NGO, PO’s at COG’s na sumusuporta sa mga mandaraya ng 2004 election!
lalo na iyong mga bumastos sa kagustuhan ng nakararami noong 1998 election!
huwag nating kalimutan ang totoong nangyari noong Mayo 1998, Jan 2001 at Mayo 2004.
chi,
bantayan natin kung sino-sino ang susuporta dyan sa listahan na binanggit mo!
ngayon natin malalaman kung ano talaga ang ibig sabihin ng mga traydor sa bansa at ang crimes againts the people!
Chi,
We almost got same attitude to your selected few. Katuwaan pa lang naman ito. In two weeks pa siguro ang opisyal na listahan. Pero you read na siguro, Mike D is resigning na. Baka kaya sasama sa opposition. Ang gusto ko naman sa kanya ay ang pagka-hyperactive. Kailangan yon sa Senado para may buhay ang deliberation. Pero marami pang mangyayari. Sa Tribune today, ULAP is positioning again to push thru another PI. Everything is being done to avoid elections.
Huwag pa rin kayo magtitiwala kay Mike Defensor. Don’t forget how he defended Arroyo in that Garci tape. Don’t forget how he protected Arroyo during her impeachment and the many other issues. Di ba itong si Defensor ang unang nagtatanggol sa amo niya? His father is also Arroyo’s loyal defender in Congress. Her auntie Miriam Santiago is now Arroyo’s closest ally. Arroyo may be planting him in the opposition to sabotage the latter. Guguluhin lang niya ang opposition. Tingnan mo ang ginawa ng iba diyan na ang akala natin noong una talagang opposition iyon pala pakawala ni Arroyo.
My senatoriable wish list. Some of the names here are relatively unknown and most probably wouldn’t run. Others I chose for somewhat pragmatic reasons (they seem like sure winners) but at the same time I don’t have major objections to them. Here goes:
1. Oscar Orbos
2. Randy David
3. Eggie Apostol
4. Cheche Lazaro
5. Ramon Magsaysay Jr.
6. Loren Legarda
7. Rodolfo Biazon
8. Raul Pangalangan
9. Harry Roque
10. Nandy Pacheco
11. Manny Villar
12. Susan Roces (I’d prefer that she doesn’t run and just try to be a sort of uniting force for the opposition, but if she does run, I’ll probably vote for her)
I’m probably forgetting some notable names. I’ll revise the list pag naisip ko sila.
Kung hindi pa 3rd-termers and ilan sa mga notable opposition congressmen (Escudero, Cayetano, Golez, Noynoy Aquino, Baraquiel, Casino, etc) I would prefer they stay in the House, to give the opposition a better chance of having the numbers in 2007 to finally impeach GMA. I think the real battleground in May 2007 would be in the House of Representatives.
Ito pa ang isang ka-idiot-an ni Great Switik. “Gloria eyes Australia as US security replacement,” wrote Tribune!
If the Americans can be racist, so do Australians! Doesn’t she know that the discrimination against Asians in Australia is no different is no different from discrimination against Afro-Americans? So, why is this idiot now asking the Australians to take care of the problem of security of the Philippines? And from what?
Inutil talaga ang ungas na ito ano? Why? Are Filipinos not good enough to take care of their own security despite the presence of a lot of Chinese, who are even lording over the Filipinos? If this is not insulting Filipino soldiers just because they cannot remove a crook like her, what is?
‘Tado talaga naman! PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
ystakei, naunahan mo ako. ang tanong dito ay ganito: bakit kailangang ipagkatiwala o iasa sa iba ang pangangalaga sa katahimikan at kaayusan ng pilipinas gayung meron namang sariling sandatahang lakas at pambansang pulisya?
sa halip na tuparin ang ilang taon nang pangakong modernization of the AFP na pinopondohan ng bilyon bilyon, hanggang ngayon patuloy pa ring parang asong turuang humahanap ng kalinga sa ibang bansa. saan ba napupunta ang pondo para sa armas ng sandatahang lakas at pulisya? huwag sabihing bumili sila ng makabagong kagamitan dahil karamihan sa mga baril na ginagamit ng ating mga kawal (lalo na ang mga M16) ay ‘yung ginamit pa namin ‘nung 1970’s sa kasagsagan ng mindanao campaign! at pati ‘yung mga bala ay low quality kaya malimit, stoppage ang baril!
mahiya naman kayong mga nasa puwesto! kakapal ng mukha ninyong mana sa baliw na babaeng mukhang dagang ayaw umalis sa kanyang lungga sa malakanyang! palibhasa, hindi kayo ang humaharap sa mga kalaban at puro pagpapasarap lamang ang alam ninyong gawin!
mga kurakot! mga salot!
May mga gumagalang dingo sa Batasan Pambansa, karamihan nito ay galing pa nang Mindanao.
Hindi lang nangangagat ito, nagbebenta rin ito ng kanilang nasasakupan para maging Campo Mindanao ng Australia.
Ang mga nabanggit na Dingo ay nagmula pa sa mga sumusunod na lugar sa Mindanao: Davao City, Camiguin, Surigao del Sur, Davao del Sur, Surigao del Norte, Bukidnon at Cagayan de Oro City.
Ang mga Dingo na tinutukoy ko ay ang Dirty Seven Dingo of Mindanao.
From Wikipedia:
DINGO
The dingo (plural dingoes or dingos), Canis lupus dingo, is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf (Canis lupus pallipes). It is commonly described as an Australian wild dog, but is not restricted to Australia, nor did it originate there. Modern dingoes are found throughout Southeast Asia, mostly in small pockets of remaining natural forest, and in mainland Australia, particularly in the north. They have features in common with both wolves and modern dogs, and are regarded as more or less unchanged descendants of an early ancestor of modern dogs. The name dingo comes from the language of the Eora Aboriginal people, who were the original inhabitants of the Sydney area. Another name for the dingo is warrigal.
chi,
gusto ko yung listahan mo at 10:02 am, lalo na yung komento mo sa nos. 5 at 6.
yung number 6 mo, si Mike D., ang isang tipong dapat putulin na agad ang pagiging pulitiko, para HINDI tularan ng mga magsisimula pa lang.
totoo niyan, ikakampanya ko iyan para HUWAG iboto at handa akong mag-contribute huwag lang manalo ang katulad niya !!
joeseg,
Wala akong paki kung magresign si Mike Defensor at maging oposisyon. Hindi ko pwedeng patawarin ang kanyang pagtataksil sa aking mahal na bansa. Imagine na ihelekopter pa niya si Mahusay ba ‘yon para hindi makatestigo against Pidal! Simula lang ‘yan, the rest is history. Nasusuka nga ako sa pangalan pa lang n’ya!
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Nelbar and Zensennai,
ang higpit ng bantay ko ngayon sa mga pangalan ng mga taksil sa ating bansa. infact, ang buo kung pamilya ay nagsisimula ng mangampanya laban sa mga lintik na nabanggit ko. Hindi ko nga pala nailista sa hindi ko iboboto ay si Angara na moderate oposisyon kuno, Oportunista!
Oopps, nalista ko pala si Ed Angara sa unahan. Nagagalit kasi ako sa mga pangalan na iyan eh. heheh!
Yuko,
Australia naman ang lalandian ni Glueria, bobolahin para pagselosin si Bush. hahah!
chi,
sinabi mo pa. mas malupit pa itong si Mike D. sa isang Mafiosi mob. halos lahat ng pinagkakautangan niya ng career, isinusuka na iyan, eh.
yung mga tumulong diyan (volunteers, walang bayad) simula pa noong Council days niya sa UP, hanggang pagiging Conggressman, abot langit ang pagsisisi.
at the rate that he is going, pagsamahin mo ang pagiging trapo ni Joe de V. at Ernie Maceda, PEANUTS yan kay Mike D, yikesss..
Chi,
Oo nga, we did that before ! Let me start by giving a list of those, according to my informant, who are running as Senators under Gloria’s ticket. These people SHOULD NOT BE VOTED INTO OFFICE as we already know that they will protect Gloria’s staying power. These dying-to-be-Senators are NOT FOR THE PEOPLE AND COUNTRY:
1. Andaya, Rolando
2. Atienza, Lito
3. Defensor, Mike
4. Durano, Ace
5. Enriquez, Mike (GMA-7 broadcaster)
6. Fernando, Bayani
7. Manzano, Edu
8. Nograles, Propero
9. Pichay, Prospero
10. Reyes, Angie
11. Teodoro, Gilbert
12. Zubiri, Miguel
According to my informant, the list has many revisions. Don’t know what version I have.
Excellent list, Chabeli.
Huwag iboboto ang nasa listahan! I’ll add these names to my list. thanks.
On the other hand, I also have a list of Senatoriables whom I term as those with “QUESTIONABLE INTREGRITY”. I also catgegorize them as “dying-to-be-Senators” because I have not seen them really rise to the occassion of defending the PEOPLE AND our COUNTRY. In most cases, they are only taking care of themselves, not to mention, enriching themselves. I have placed comments below their names:
1. Tito Sotto
-I remember he was cuddling a drug lord.
2. Kiko Pangilinan
-or “Mr. Noted” who got us into this mess & that’s how we got Gloria !
3. Ralph Recto
-He said on ANC he was not pro or anti Gloria. He’s loyal to himself then !
4. Ed Angara
-He sold himself to Gloria after he won in 2004 !
5. Tessie Oreta
-Senate does not NEED a dancing queen !
6. Kit Tatad
-He was a part of the Marcos Martial Law sh*t !
7. Greg Honasan
-He ran away with the money of RAM !
8. Mike Velarde
-He has too many Real Estate deals with government.
9. Imee Marcos
-Do we want the daughter of Ferdinand E. Marcos ?
10. Korina Sanchez
-She has difficulty grasping “conflict of interest.”
Possible DREAM TEAM for Senatoriables:
1. Butch Abad
2. Neri Acosta
3. Noynoy Aquino
4. Joker Arroyo
5. Teddy Casiño
6. Allan Peter Cayetano
7. JV Ejercito
8. Panfilo Lacson
9. Oscar Orbos
10. Harry Roque
11. Dinky Soliman
12. Garry Teves
Chabeli, may revisions pa ngang ginagawa because Malacanang is sitll considering the following:
1. Bunye, Ermita, Saludo, Raul and Norberto Gonzales, Jesli Lapus, Atty. Makalintal, Ace Barbers, Villafuerte, Lagman, Jaraula and Rodante Marcolleta.
2. Patuloy pa ring sinusuyo sina Kiko Pangilinan, Ralph Recto, Manny Villar at Joker Arroyo na bumalik at muling humalik sa paa ni GMA. Kasama si Angara, ilalarga nila ang Unity Ticket ng administration. Dito nila isasama si Garcillano dahil they could win daw without cheating.
Nagpasabi na pala si Efren Bata Reyes na ayaw niyang kumandidato. Baka raw siya manalo. No comment si Manny Pacquiao.
joeseg,
Kung gayun, mas bilib ako ngayon kay Efren Bata Reyes.
Chabeli,
I’ll add Trillanes to my list of senatoriables.
Your 10 Dying to be Senators is OK with me, except Tessie Oreta. I like her accomplishments in the area of education when she was a senator.
Solid 12-0..I still wish and hope for that. Any pro GMA to win is a disaster. One rotten apple spoils the whole basket..
Boy Nograles, Jurdin Romualdo, Prospero Pichay, Douglas Cagas, Ace Barbers, Miguel Zubiri, Constantino Jaraula — tandaan natin ang mga pangalang ito.
Para saan ba talaga ang mga ito?
Sa interes ng Mindanao o sa Kamaynilaan?
Baka dumating ang panahon sila pa mismo ang magbenta ng Pilipinas na maging training ground ng mga sundalo ng Australia.
Kahit na pumanig si Arroyo sa Australia, parang pumanig na rin siya sa Amerika. The US and Australia are close allies. Isang bulong lang ng Amerika sa mga Aussies, susunod agad ang huli. Buti pang sa China o Russia na lang pumanig si Arroyo. But why should she or our country side with anyone? A country must know how to protect itself. Look at Japan after the war; it has progressed to what it is today. Vietnam too has improved lately. Pilipinas lang ang palaging kulelat.