Etta Rosales, former partylist representative and now chair emeritus of Akbayan, has written another open letter (two weeks ago it was addressed to Liberal party presidential candidate Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III on the Hacienda Luisita issue) , this time to Nacionalista presidential candidate Manuel Villar, comrade in the fight against the Marcos dictatorship Satur Ocampo, and Marcos son Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos, Jr, representative of Ilocos Norte (2nd district).
Etta was writing this letter as chair of “Claimants 1081”, a group of victims of Marcos’ martial rule under Presidential Decree 1081.
Here’s Etta’s letter:
“Dear Senator Manny Villar, Reps. Satur Ocampo and Bongbong Marcos,
“We have watched with keen interest developments that have taken place in your Senate slate for the 2010 Polls. Sen. Manny Villar is correct in saying that we should not invite the sins of the father on his children and that the children should be evaluated on the strength of their own merits and performance. Rep. Bongbong has valid points in asserting that we cannot expect to be united on all issues. As senatorial candidates belong to different parties with diverse concerns, what matters is that the Slate unite on what ills the country most – poverty, employment, health care and foreign relations.
“While all of the above may be true, it makes us wonder what the deeper implications of the KBL-NP Alliance recently forged are with respect to the pending human rights bill that is not just a whim of some human rights lawmakers but the product of agreement between the Republic of the Philippines and the Federal Government of Switzerland in the transfer of the ill-gotten Marcos money now pegged at more than $683 million.
“Some $400 million of this is supposed to have been spent for agrarian reform since the Supreme Court ruling on July 15, 2003. Six years have passed yet we don’t know how the money has been spent. Two hundred million dollars ($200,000,000) on the other hand is stashed in national coffers for distribution to victims of human rights violations, yet President Arroyo has consistently stopped the passage of the bill that would have allowed distribution of the $200 million to the close to ten thousand victims of human rights violations. The bill remains pending in the 14th Congress. Most of these victims are poor farmers, ethnic communities, workers and students with a sprinkling of professionals and church people.
“With an alliance forged between the KBL and the NP, where Rep. Marcos does not believe his late father committed violations of human rights, how can we expect the NP Leadership now in alliance with the KBL – should it win the presidency – support the pending compensation bill and, for that matter, all legislation that will have to do with dispensing justice to the victims of gross violations of human rights, past and present.
“Some quarters have given fair warning that campaign money by the NP need not be sourced solely from NP coffers but could very well come from KBL and Marcos coffers – much of which remains controversial. How much of un-sequestered Marcos money remains ill-gotten? How much is legitimate?
“And if Marcos money is used to help bolster the Senate campaign, how does this sit with the two representatives Satur and Liza who are considered official members of the NP Slate?
“We hope these matters can be clarified the soonest possible time.”
Etta wrote the letter before it was reported that Ocampo and Liza Maza, Gabriela partylist representative, were reconsidering their planned alliance with the NP after Villar formalized his party’s coalition with the Marcos Kilusan ng Bagong Lipunan last Friday.
Maza said when they were talking with Villar, they were assured that if he won, his administration would push for the resolution of the twin issues of compensation for the Martial Law human rights victims and recovery of the Marcos ill-gotten wealth.
But, Maza said, the statement of Bongbong that “past is past” is something that they cannot accept.
In the formal signing of the NP-KBL alliance last Friday, Marcos said he has no problem working with the representatives of militant organizations because “we are not the issue.The issues now are poverty, employment, healthcare, foreign relations.”
Villar gave the usual motherhood statement: “Lahat kami, ang mahalaga ay ang aming pagmamahal sa mahihirap, ang aming kagustuhan na mapuksa itong kahirapan na ito, at kinakailangan natin ay sama-sama ang lahat ng sector.
Ocampo said the decision to align with the NP was reached by their organization, Bayan, after negotiations with the Liberal Party failed. “Noynoy told us that they have only three remaining slots and there’s a long list of of people who want to be included,” Ocampo said.
He said it’s unfortunate that Senator Chiz Escudero, who had left the Nationalist People’s Coalition may not push through with his presidential bid.
Ocampo and Maza were scheduled to meet with Villar last night. Bayan will meet tomorrow to assess their options. But right now, Ocampo and Maza said, their inclination is to run as independent senatorial candidates.
If they do not push through with the alliance with the NP, Bayan, which has a strong nationwide network, they would also withdraw their support for Villar.
After Etta sent out her open letter, she got the good news from their lawyers in the United States that the New York Federal Supreme Court reversed an earlier ruling preventing the release of the Marcos money to them unless they can prove it’s ill-gotten.
The earlier decision was on the intervention filed by the Presidential Commission on Good Government blocking the release of the funds under the Arelma Foundation, one of the foundations where the Marcos stashed their money outside the Philippines, which now amounts to about $34 million, to the claimants. PCGG said it should be given to the Philippine government which should be the one to pay the human rights victims.
Etta, reactiing to the latest NY decision said: “In behalf of the members of CLAIMANTS 1081, we wish to congratulate our lawyers, especially Atty. Robert Swift, for his efforts in being able to put back on board the human rights class suit now pending in the New York State Supreme Court.
“It is common knowledge not only locally but to the international community as well that the Arroyo Administration has moved heaven and earth to stop the enforcement of the judgment which we had won way back in 1995, fourteen years ago. And blocking the enforcement of the class suit judgment, she has given as argument the fact that this government is passing a law on human rights compensation. Thus, all suspected ill-gotten money must be coursed through the Phil. Government since the latter has authorized the passage of the compensation bill.
“The blatant lies that accompany the passage of the bill are legion. From the time I was elected as House Representative in 1998 up to the present, the bill has been stifled by the Palace and has – like the class suit – moved heaven and earth to stop its passage through a pliant House of Representatives leadership.
It is in this regard that once more, we express our collective hope that the New York State Supreme Court will prevail in its ruling to finally give the Arelma funds – ill-gotten or not – to the victims and survivors of gross human rights violations under the Marcos regime. “
Nanay na nanay si Ms. Etta Rosales. Magandang balita naman yung nakakuha sila ng reversal ng previous ruling.
Sa una pa lang, nagtataka naman ako na nagtiwala sila Satur kay Villar. Ngayong magkasama na ang NP KBL, kumilas na sila, hindi yung irereview pa ang posisyon. ano pa ba ang irereview e kitang kita na nila na andun na ang isang Marcos sa slate.
Mag independent sila. Nagsisigurista rin yata kaya gusto nakakabit sa malaking partido.
Isa pang punto, kung nakapagsilbi na ng 3 terms sa congreso, hindi pa ba sapat yun. Andun pa rin naman ang party list nila. Wala silang pinagka iba sa mga trapo na ayaw bumitiw sa poder.
To Ma’am Etta, please don’t forget the victims of Erap, Cory, Ramos, and the NPA’s too.
As much as I sympathize with AKBAYAN Etta’s position to help victims of human rights, it only shows that we have a very weak Judicial System and that the three branches of our Government is not working properly, with power monopolized by the Executive branch. This is an INJUSTICE, not only for the victims of human rights but also for the Filipino people as a whole.
Given numerous situations in the past from impeachment, corruption issues, etc. it only shows that there’s a need to make our Judicial System a strong balancing entity to curve excesses of the Executive branch.
I just hope our Party List Groups and other descent freedom loving public servants will work on for a truly independent, proactive, and strong Judicial System.
Pareng Olan, the recovery of Marcos’ wealth (subject of Etta’s letter) is more of the Government’s (Executive) fault as it involves dealing with the decision of a court from another country.
But I agree with you that it is taking the courts too long a time to resolve ill gotten wealth cases in the Philippines. I also agree with you that there must be a strong and independent judicial system. At present, it is difficult to have an independent judicial system as the president appoints judges and justices and the selection process is highly politicized. Under GMA’s administration, the name of the game in the appointment to the judiciary is PALAKASAN.
Thanks Oblak..That’s why I’m suggesting we do it in a different way..to “unpoliticized” the selection process and make our Judicial system responsive so as for us not to rely on foreign court to have justice. In my view, that’s where AKBAYAN, BAYAN, LP, NP or other independent’s can play a big role.
To Ma’am Etta, also please do not forget SUPERFERRY 14 — Manila Bay — and the victims of Muslim terrorism.
Itong si Etta Rosales ay isang hypocrite plastik, tama na ang pagkukunwari mo etta… tapos na ang martial, wala na si presidente marcos patay na yun… kaya wag munang buhayin pa ang martial law.
Hypocrite! against ka sa mga amerikano pero ang tanong bakit ka nag apply ng US Visa noon!? so anong ginawa sayo binasura ka “Denied”… hindi ba tawag diyan plastik! gusto mo rin palang pumunta sa amerika tapos against ka sa kanila.
Isa rin itong kupal na teddy casino batikos ng batikos sa mga amerikano… anong nagagawa mo sa bayan!? Natutulog ka sa pansitan. Nasan ka nung bayong ondoy? diba ang amerikano tumulong sa pag rescue sa mga filipino! mismong anino mo hindi ka nagpakita.
Ganito rin si satur ocampo… puro kalawang na ang nasa utak. Walang alam na gawing batas puro kabulastugan.
“At present, it is difficult to have an independent judicial system as the president appoints judges and justices and the selection process is highly politicized. Under GMA’s administration, the name of the game in the appointment to the judiciary is PALAKASAN.” – oblak
It is for these reasons the Grand Jury and Trial Jury will not work in our country at this time. And no matter how noble the cause is for several groups to march and shout for a change to implement such system, it’s difficult or maybe impossible in this country. The Enforcers are mostly corrupt that’s the bottomline.
Destroyer – November 23, 2009 3:53 am
I’m in your kalesa on this one.
She’s been beating the drums for something down the road, maybe a higher office.
Election is the time to take inventory, rehashed or otherwise of whatever left and even gone from the closet of a candidate and make it open to the public to refresh their memories once more. In a way that is not out of the ordinary, it’s always the usual way and it will always be.
Rosales targeted in her letter writing binge two sons of the most prominent political families in the country. The letters complained and whined abouts events years ago.
In the case of Bongbong, he was still not in public life when the elder Marcos was in power. He was not in a position then to make decisions that affect the turning of the wheel of justice. He had no active participation in whatever way in running the affairs of the government. So making him pay and account for the actions of his parents, although I believe that all is fair game in politics, is not quite right.
Bongbong’s case is (un)fair political target for being a Marcos.
On the other hand, the massacre in Hacienda Luisita happened when Noynoy was already a member of Congress. He was aware of the problems of the Hacienda, yet he did not do anything to solve it until it went out of hand. The farm workers airing their protest were treated as target practice for the police and soldiers. As a member of Congress Noynoy has the power to initiate investigations on these death but he did nothing of that sort. A total of 14 people were killed and these victims were not compensated and killers were not punished and still free out there.
In the case of Noynoy wealth and power did pay.
florry – November 23, 2009 6:54 am
Sakay na rin ako sa kalesa mo florry.
Blogging wouldn’t be exciting if what we articulate are bullcraps. Let’s call it the way it is. Thieves are thieves and Murderers are murderers and Rapists are rapists. Overwhelming evidences though should point towards the case of murder.
The hand of justice can be very slow, so NoyNoy’s guilt over Hacienda Luisita massacre or SLEx, or Villar’s over C-5 will take years before a court of law can be convened to separate rumors and allegations and innuendoes from facts.
Maybe Pilipinas should go back to presidential elections every 4 years. The Filipino people can pass judgment (electing people into office or kicking them out of office) sooner than the courts can get to a decision. The people may simply be swayed by the onslaught of ABS-CBN or the Inquirer and Manila Times as they vote — but it is the people’s prerogative to pick leaders.
It is for these reasons the Grand Jury and Trial Jury will not work in our country at this time. And no matter how noble the cause is for several groups to march and shout for a change to implement such system, it’s difficult or maybe impossible in this country. The Enforcers are mostly corrupt that’s the bottomline. – tru blue
If that’s the case then what are the alternatives to consider to bring about change? When is the right time?
In my view, this is the time..you can always as these people running for office before you Vote..at least you will hear from them and remember the next time around if nothing happens..as you do now.
Blogging wouldn’t be exciting if what we articulate are bullcraps. Let’s call it the way it is. Thieves are thieves and Murderers are murderers and Rapists are rapists. Overwhelming evidences though should point towards the case of murder. – tru blue
True. But if you need justice, do you think it’s worth your struggle to go to a place where you can get one? else, you can espouse your own?
On the other hand, the massacre in Hacienda Luisita happened when Noynoy was already a member of Congress. He was aware of the problems of the Hacienda, yet he did not do anything to solve it until it went out of hand. The farm workers airing their protest were treated as target practice for the police and soldiers. As a member of Congress Noynoy has the power to initiate investigations on these death but he did nothing of that sort. A total of 14 people were killed and these victims were not compensated and killers were not punished and still free out there. – florry
Unless you have a judiciary that is independent, then the Hacienda Luisita case will remain just a case with farmers uncompensated and murderers free.
As I’ve told one lawyer (Bertini Causing) spearheading this movement, I supported his cause. Where would you start when some in the Supreme Court are easily manipulated and can be bought all the way down to the “pulis patola”. That has been the case for so long and if you are one of those who are adamant in a Jury Trial, hey it’s the best judicial system in the world but not a perfect system I can guarentee you that.
What’s your proposition? Let me know.
Blogging wouldn’t be exciting if what we articulate are bullcraps. – tru blue
oops! sorry tru if I got carried away…
Amendments… That’s why you have to ask them first (i.e. presidentiables, senator and congressman wannabee’s) before you vote.
It may not be a perfect system but at least having it will “moderate the greed” if I can put it that way (i.e. moderate delays and place the judge on the spot if he don’t respond accordingly)
Excellent observation by florry post #10
What can you expect from Noynoy’s fans? They don’t accept the truth. They chose their candidate based on his personality and not based on truth.
Noynoy fans will rather chose a thief as their president than a president who has mistresses.
Noynoy, yellow liars, and his supporters are thinking that they are morally superior because they are only thieves and not womanizer….lol
I think Noynoy fans want Pinas to be a Taliban State where Church and the State are one and the same.
Let us separate the Church and the State for a moment.
Pinas as a State, I will rather chose a president who is a womanizer than thieves. Why? Having thieves as head of government is equivalent to a “weapon of mass destruction” against the State and its people. Can you say the same against a womanizer, who is not a thief, as head of state?
It should be choose instead of chose….
By all means let’s pay them all victims of human rights violations, but first, show us the list of claimants. Number one claimant we hear is Joma Sison of Netherlands, then the likes of Satur Ocampo, Etta Rosales et al— and, is it true, thousands more retired cadres of Communist movement?
By the way, who pays human rights victims of subsequent administrations? Will someone ask Noynoy to settle the claims of human rights victims during his mother’s term o charge to Marcos account din?
Ms. Etta, we have yet to hear from your side how your colleagues in the underground should compensate those whose lives and properties were violated by them. Me pinsan akong isang gabi dinukot na lang sa bahay ng mga hayup na NPA. Mga anak ay mga maliliit pa lang. Pagkatapos ng maraming taon, nagpasabi ang mga unggoy sori daw nagkamali sila. Hanggang duon lang sori lang at matukoy lang kung saan inilibing. Kawawang pamilya, sana mag-file din ng claims ano, pero saan?
In the case of Bongbong, he was still not in public life when the elder Marcos was in power. He was not in a position then to make decisions that affect the turning of the wheel of justice. He had no active participation in whatever way in running the affairs of the government. So making him pay and account for the actions of his parents, although I believe that all is fair game in politics, is not quite right.
I agree, though, when Marcos was in power,nobody else made decisions except Marcos himself.
On the other hand, the massacre in Hacienda Luisita happened when Noynoy was already a member of Congress. He was aware of the problems of the Hacienda, yet he did not do anything to solve it until it went out of hand.
I would have faulted Noynoy here as a family member, not as a congressman, IF he did not do anything to solve it. To exclusively and squarely blame him and the rest of his family for the killings, that’s too long a shot. That would also be like blaming Bongbong for the extra-judicial killings during his father’s reign.
Ina-assume ko lang Ms. Florry, na may isip ka na nung pangulo si Marcos. Tama si Ka Enchong, si Marcos lang ang tanging gumagawa ng desisyon. Pero, ang asawa at mga anak ni Marcos ay nagpasasa sa yamang kinamkam ng panahong pangulo si Marcos. Wala ngang kinalalaman sa policy making dahil ang mga anak ni Marcos, ang interes ay pagwaldas ng salapi ng bayan. Alam mo siguro ang mga escapades nila Bongbong at Jackie Enrile.
Suriin din natin ang lahat ng pamilya ng naging pangulo ng bansa at alamin kung kaninong pamilya (asawa at anak) ang hindi nagpasasa sa pera ng bayan.
off topic di ko lang mapigil masuka sa ABC-CBN, PWE PWE PWE pa.
http://www.tribuneonline.org/headlines/20091123hed1.html
Grabe!!! Akala ko justice ang habol ng Human Right victims, PERA din pala! tsk…tsk…tsk….
This Noynoy bashing due to the Luisita issue is clearly politically over reaching, isn’t it?
The five Aquino siblings own only 4% of Hda. Luisita Inc. Divide that by the 5 Aquino siblings. That gives Noynoy only 0.8% share of the corporation. Clearly, he has very little influence in the corporation.
If one has to bash, it is good judgment to bash the biggest stakeholder.
Take San Miguel Corporation. If you don’t like the way it is handling the coco levy funds, would you bash the shareholder who owns only 0.8% of the corporation?
romyman – November 23, 2009 4:35 pm #25
off topic di ko lang mapigil masuka sa ABC-CBN, PWE PWE PWE pa.
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pareng romyman, kung nasusuka ka sa abs-cbn kami naman inuutotan namin ang aming television kapag inilipat sa tfc programs galing sa PBA.
One sided ang istasyun na yan… saka sa balitang middle east nila karamihan hindi totoo lalo na sa mga parangal kuno.
Pareng Phil, hindi kasi napapaliwanag sa Media na ang HDI ay corporation na may sariling personality sa mga stockholders. At kung may liability man ang corporation, ito ay yung mga directors at officers na directly responsible sa illegal act. ang stockholder ay hindi liable unless may direct participation sya sa illegal acts.
Kaya kung sakaling may liability ang corporation in terms of money yung share lang ng stockholder ang apektado.
Kung ipagpilitan ng Aquino family yung gusto nila, kahaharapin nila yung ibang stockholders. Sa liit ng share nila, ang tanging boses lang nila ay kung mamimili ng director ng HDI.
Kung mag divest sila, masama pa rin sila sa iba kasi tinalikuran ang problema. Kung ibigay na nga yung lupa, sasabihin politically motivated para may pogi points. Ang gusto talaga, patayin na ng mga farmers si Noynoy para hindi matuloy na kandidato.
From Armando Savares:
The Marcos regime has been gone long enough to be able to look back at history with an open mind. It is true that Pres. Marcos is the only Philippine president who have openly and legally declared martial law and have implemented an authoritarian rule that we love to call dictatorship, at least it is honest enough to show the real color comparing to today’s government who pretends to be the champion of democracy. True, that atrocities and abused has been committed during the martial law period. People can say anything and everything against the martial law years. But we can not deny that it is also true, that under martial law, a lot of development and progress was achieved during these times. I know because I was born in 1963 and grew up during the martial law era.
Almost 25 years after the Marcos regime, the same battle-cry can still be heard “Corruption, Freedom and Change”. It is pathetic that the same people who were advocating for these during the Marcos era are still the same people who are doing it today! I wonder what have they done when the wheel of fortune has momentarily changed to their favor and they were at the helm of governance? Or at least they were in a position to influence to do things their way ?
After a long time, it seems that people continue to use the martial law as political statement. Comparing the Philippines to a woman who was raped, “we don’t need to remind a woman who was raped that she was indeed raped”, but rather we should help the woman to accept the fact, and move forward with high hopes. “Hindi yung paulit-ulit na lang na ipina-aalala na rape ka – kawawa ka naman”.
With the recent development with respect to “Claimants 1081”, I don’t want to think that after all the troubles the bottom line is – it’s all about money !
It is over and done with. Time to move on!!! – Convenient line from GMA whenever faced with controversy.
Etta was a martial law victim. There are also countless victims under martial law regime. Whatever happened to them after 20 years or more, it is not right do not deprive them the right to be compensated.
In the 70’s, the younger generations would always hear their parents and grandparents relate how hard it was during World War II, how they suffered during the war. Was it proper to tell them to shut up as that was more than twenty years ago and it was time to move on. In the same vein, should we tell the war veterans to stop their fight to get the benefits due them because they are now old and should move on as they are about to die anyway.
Picture the mother of Jonas Burgos, the family of the dead journalists or victims of extra judicial killing and the desperacidos under GMA rule twenty years from now. Should we tell them to stop asking for justice as the events occured, oh so aeons ago and time to move on.
Do not deny these people the right to seek redress for the wrongs committed to them. They were victims, they suffered, they grieved. Time to move on – a comforting line if coming from someone who cares but it is an anathema if it comes from someone trying to conceal a wrongdoing.
If I may generalize, those quarters asking that the sins of Marcos and GMA be overlooked and just move on are the same quarters or in their same vein always asking for “justice” for the victims of Mendiola Massacre in 1987 and the victims of Hacienda Luisita in 2004.
“Time to move on – a comforting line if coming from someone who cares but it is an anathema if it comes from someone trying to conceal a wrongdoing.”
Oblak, pinatatamaan mo ang lola nila?
Walang pakiramdam ‘yun. Lahat silang magkakabalahibo, puro MANHID!
With the recent development with respect to “Claimants 1081″, I don’t want to think that after all the troubles the bottom line is – it’s all about money ! – Armando Savares
How else do you want to compensate these families for their loss, pain and suffering? The Government could have closed this book long ago. Why prolong it? Sometimes a government has to give way to show compassion to its people, considering that it really happened…after all it’s only money!
Pera-pera lang! sabi nga nung iba and imagine the possible peace and healing it can give in return…
What was the state of minds and responsibilities of Noynoy and Bongbong when these things happened?
When martial law was declared, Bongbong was a typical carefree young adult, no responsibilities, no nothing except to enjoy his life as a youngster. Involvement? Nada!
Noynoy was already in Congress and a supposedly responsible man taking care of business when the massacre happened.
What I am driving at, Noynoy being the only son and supposed to be the only man in the family and being the eldest should have taken charge in the operation of Hacienda, being a family business. Unrest has been with the hacienda for a long long time due to the refusal of the Aquinos to fulfill an agreement, as they say in Tagalog, “nang-balasubas” yet Noynoy failed to take responsibility to do his part to appease or even listen to the farm workers. Even in death of a number of people killed in their own backyard he never took responsibility and never took the lead to see that justice turned its course. That’s the ultimate arrogance of the wealthy and powerful. They didn’t give a damn about the poor farmers who works so hard and being paid a pittance, but made them richer.
This is a case of an adult vs a young adult, responsibility vs carefree, a government official vs a typical youngster. Now who should share the blame, a youngster who just enjoyed his young man’s life during those years, or government elected official as a member of Congress who has the power, the responsibility, a choice and an option but refused or failed to exercised it?
Giving the benefit of doubt about Noynoy’s role in the hacienda, maybe his mother Cory did not trust him, did not believe in him and did not see in him and have serious doubts in his leadership qualities, otherwise in the absence of Ninoy, she should have handed him the mantle of responsibility as the man of the family. It only means that Cory did not see him as a leader.
And now he is aspiring to be a president.
Oblak,
You’re out of order. We are talking about blame and responsibilities hindi pagpapasasa.
Oblak is right. Not too many understand that Hda. Luisa Inc. is a corporation, just like San Miguel is a Corporation.
Nonoy has a mere 0.8% (less than 1%) shares in it. But he was a Congressman, critics say.
So? There are, I’m sure, many Congressmen, Senators, Cabinet officials and even members of the First Family who have probably more than 0.8% share of San Miguel Corporation. Perhaps even Manny Villar, Erap, Gibo, Gloria, Mike, etc. own more than 0.8% of this corporation.
Are they being bashed for how San Miguel is managing the coco levy funds? No.
Someone is targeting Noynoy for demolition. They don’t have much ammunition against him, so they grab at straws and over-reach the bounds of fair play and connect Noynoy to Hda. Luisita as if Noynoy was the central figure in that corporation.
Any simpleton should be able to see through this ploy.
Sa aking paningin, ang isyung Hacienda Luisita ay nagising lamang dahil din sa ang kandidatura ni Noynoy ay nakasandal sa pangalan ng angkan. Sabi nga ni Conrad de Quiros, “drawn as he was from the loins of heroes, and capable of epic aspiration”. I survey the field and do I find other reasons why Noynoy is suddenly people’s savior?: he son of Cory the saint and Ninoy the martyr. Yet, if genetics be your boon, your basis for becoming the President of the Republic, then genetics would also be your ruin for your enemies will pore over your genetics for your defects and boy it extends further than your parents.
The Hacienda Luisita issue, for example, is simply the face of a grandfather who perpetrated a grand scam!
Noynoy is probably going to win. Good. In six years, his detractors will have a field day digging the dirt of his parents and grandparents
What I am driving at, Noynoy being the only son and supposed to be the only man in the family and being the eldest should have taken charge in the operation of Hacienda, being a family business.
How can somebody who controls 0.8% of the corporation take charge?
If Noynoy made use of his position as Congressman, lobbied for control of HLI and eventually righted the wrongs, wouldn’t he be faulted for abusing his power then?
Even if Cory believed in her son’s leadership capability, she would not have the right to give him the mantle of leadership. How can she give him a mantle that she did not own?
Lastly, HLI is controlled mostly by the Cojuangcos (as far as I know), why are we not tagging Gibo along in this blame game?
Florry, I may be out of order pero paki ayos muna yung timeline ng events sa sinasabi mong difference ng 2, like
1. What the 2 did when both their parents were president,
2. What the 2 did after their parents left the presidency.
Sa alam ko, parehong walang pwesto ang dalawa ng presidente ang mga magulang nila.
Nang hindi na presidente ang mga magulang nila, pareho silang naging public official.
Nang pumanaw ang mga magulang nila, Si noynoy minana ang problema ng Hacienda Luisita na pinupukol kay Cory. Si Bongbong naman minana yung mga pera ni Marcos na nakadeposito sa Europe at Caribbean.
There was a standing gov’t case at DAR about land distribution at the Hacienda when Marcos was jettisoned out of Malacañang. The successor, Cory, ordered her then Justice Secretary Sedfrey Ordoñez, the erstwhile lawyer of the hacienda, to drop all pertinent cases against HLI since it is claimed that Luisita will be covered by CARP/CARL.
Neat ‘no?
This is not a fault of Noynoy, however.
But damn, you cannot choose what you only want to inherit.
Phil,
i could NOT remember of any post you have, here or elsewhere, that i do NOT agree with.
but as there is always the first time, must confess i do heartily disagree with your take on Noynoy.
this does not diminish my respect for you in any way, as i have lots stored for you.
kindly re-read Cheche Lazaro’s lifeless, hohohum, flat interview with Noynoy:
http://www.verafiles.org/index.php/first-person/373-noynoy-no-point-in-competing-with-my-parents?start=3
on page 4, direct from the candidate himself;
a) directly prior to Congress, he worked for 5 years at the Hacienda,
b) his personal share is at least 4% (your info above is certainly incorrect).
and this particular share, could be on top of the family holdings of which he is also a member.
further read between lines of the interview, the Hacienda is considered ‘crown jewel’.
if its now his campaign’s wish to scale down his DIRECT role in affairs of the Hacienda, maybe it would be smart (though, a BIG lie) to declare that he was misquoted.
or call Cheche’s recorded interview as spurious or spliced.
GAnito siguro yan zen2.
Tumaya na ako kay Noynoy. Kahit sabihin mong bulag at bingi ako o hindi marunong bumasa between the lines, hindi pa mababago ang taya ko. Katulad mo rin, baka may tinayaan ka na, kahit ano pa sabihin ng maka Noynoy, hindi rin mababago pa ang choice mo na kandidato. Iikot lang tayo ng iikot at pagdating sa huli, Noynoy ako, sa kandidato mo ikaw.
Ngayon may lilinawin lang ako dun sa punto mo, hindi para kumbinsihin ka pero para lang ituwid o bigyang linaw.
a. Kung directly prior to Congress, iyan ay bago mag 1998. Bago pa mag 2004, nasa Congress na sya.
b. yung personal share, ang 4% ay sa family nya. Sa interview, hindi siya sigurado kung 4% sa family o 4% sa kanya.
Isa ako sa mag Noynoy-Mar, pero hindi iboboto ang lahat ng kandidato ng LP.
Nonoy has a mere 0.8% (less than 1%) shares in it. But he was a Congressman, critics say….Phil Cruz
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The Noynoy’s SCTEX scam is worth at least 240 Million Pesos.
Does it matter whether Noynoy has .8% share or 80% share or no share at all in Hacienda Luisita?
240 Million Pesos Noynoy SCTEX scam is a 240M scam no matter what percentages it is.
The Hacienda Luisita issue, for example, is simply the face of a grandfather who perpetrated a grand scam!…ricelander
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Yeah it was the grandfather who perpetrated the grand scam and his descendants perpetuated it, i.e. Noynoy SCTEX scam and converting agricultural lands to industrial lands to avoid land distrutions to farmers.
In business even if your share is only 1%, the company is liable to any damages inflicted on anybody. And who are the owners of the Hacienda Luisita? The Cojuangcos and the Aquinos, and all of them should share the blame in the massacre.
Cory was the president who “balasubas” the farm workers when she did not honor and even revoke the agreement.
Cory was the one who called for help and Gloria sent soldiers and police to execute the farmers.
Now, who was the one calling the shots in this case? Who made the decisions? Who was in control of the operation?
In business the one who make crucial decisions is the one in control, otherwise you are just a “saling-pusa”,and you can not say that about the involvement of the Aquinos in the business. It was clear that they were in the forefront.
Noynoy even if he was not an active in the affairs of the business, if he cared for peace and harmony between their poor workers and the business, why did he not responsible enough to mediate or at least whisper an advice or urged his mother to settle the dispute with the workers. Why did he not persuade his mother to follow what was in the agreement so that peace will reign between them. He was old enough by then unfortunately and obviously he did not act according to his age, unless his brain was not functioning well. He failed and he was guilty of irresponsibility.
It is naïveté or the height of stupidity if one is to believe that Noynoy was ignorant of what was happening inside the Hacienda. In the same vein, he was guilty of not initiating and helping the victims of massacre to get the justice they deserved, even if he had the power to do so.
If Bongbong has to share the blame on the actions of his parents by just being their son, then Noynoy is also a fair game to share the blame on the Mendiola massacre being the son of Cory. How’s that for another issue?
As for Gibo not being included, he doesn’t need that anymore. Gloria is already too much for him.
Xman, hindi automatic na pumupunta sa stockholders yung pumasok na pera para sa corporation. Hindi income ang pwedeng agad agad binibigay sa stockholders. Kailangan may unrestricted retained earnings ang corporation at ito ang pwedeng ipamahagi sa stockholders in the form of dividends.
Sa tanong mo kung if it matters kung maliit o malaki ang percentage or even no share at all, sa mundo ng corporation ang sagot ay YES, it matters.
What I am driving at, Noynoy being the only son and supposed to be the only man in the family and being the eldest should have taken charge in the operation of Hacienda, being a family business.
How can somebody who controls 0.8% of the corporation take charge?
If Noynoy made use of his position as Congressman, lobbied for control of HLI and eventually righted the wrongs, wouldn’t he be faulted for abusing his power then?….Ka Enchong
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Florry is absolutely right. Noynoy can take charge and righted the wrongs without abusing his power.
“In one of his recent speeches, the senator had promised to abide by the court ruling and distribute the lands in Hacienda Luisita to the farm workers if he wins the presidency.
“Sen. Aquino does not have to wait for him to win the presidential elections next year. All he has to do is withdraw their (Cojuangcos) petition for certiorari before the Supreme Court so that the distribution of the land can proceed,” lawyer Robert Pahilga, who represents the farmers in the land case, said.
“Sen. Aquino’s statement to the media is contradicting what he had said earlier when he claimed he could not do anything about the Hacienda Luisita issue as he is only a minority stockholder in the corporation,” Lito Baez, chairman of ULWU, added.”
http://www.tribune.net.ph/20091110/nation/20091110nat3.html
Xman, hindi automatic na pumupunta sa stockholders yung pumasok na pera para sa corporation. Hindi income ang pwedeng agad agad binibigay sa stockholders….oblak
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Oblak, ang pinag uusapan natin dito ay yong 240M Noynoy SCTEX scam. Sila Noynoy na ang bahala doon kung paano nila paghahatian yong 240M scam na pumasok sa corporation.
Kailangan may unrestricted retained earnings ang corporation at ito ang pwedeng ipamahagi sa stockholders in the form of dividends….oblak
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Sino ang may control ng restricted at restricted earnings? Sino ang may controlling interest ng corporation? Mayroon bang 20% controlling interest ang magsasaka as a whole? Kung wala eh ang ibig sabihin noon ay Cojuangco ang may controlling interest at automatic sila din ang mag papasya ng restricted at unrestricted earnings ayon sa by laws ng corporation na dictated din ng may controlling interest? Sino ba yon? Di mga Cojuangco din.
Mali yong “Sino ang may control ng restricted at restricted earningsJ?”
Dapat ay “Sino ang may control ng restricted at unrestricted earnings?”
Siguro naman doon sa NOYNOY 240M SCTEX SCAM na pumasok sa Hacienda Corporation ay higit pa sa .8% share interest ang makukuha ni Noynoy doon. Siguro may e cha charge na commission fee si Noynoy dahil sya ang nagpasok ng 240M scam money sa corporation eh di ba?
What’s the fuss about the percentage of shares in a company? In business even if your share is just 1%, you are a part owner and the company is liable to all damages suffered by anybody. And who are the owners of the Hacienda? The Cojuangcos and the Aquinos and all of them should share the blame in the massacre.
OK let’s throw away these craps and hypocrisy’s and be blunt with the truth. Let’s call spade a spade no matter who gets hurt.
Cory was a product of media hype. What was her real role in EDSA 1? The true heroes of EDSA are Honasan and Enrile. They are the fire-starters. Not even Ramos the late comer who had the gall to claim it for himself. And where’s Cory? She was there somewhere in the Visayas being hidden by nuns and priests and she only came out when everything was under control. Was that the kind of hero we really wanted?
Cory was the president who ordered the termination of the case against HL. She who has been hailed as the icon of democracy yet she did not allow a case to prosper or an agreement to be enforced against her family business. That’s a very clear conflict of interest and that’s democracy in action for her.
Cory was the one who called for assistance and Gloria sent out soldiers and policemen to execute the farmers. Again the icon of democracy allowed police and military officers to shoot and kill the farmers. This was a case of history repeating itself a repeat performance of the Mendiola massacre where the same kind of people – farmers were massacred under her presidency.
The icon of democracy never tolerated dissent of any kind which is essential in a democratic society.
Under such circumstances who was the one who called the shots? Who made the decisions and who was in control of the operation of the hacienda?
In business the one who makes crucial decisions is the one in control, otherwise you are just a “saling-pusa”, and you can not say that about the Aquinos who were clearly in the forefront of the business.
Now if Bongbong is to share blame from the acts of his parents for being their son and a Marcos, then it is also fair game for Noynoy to share the blame in the Mendiola massacre being the son of Cory. How’s that for a new issue against him?
As for Gibo, he doesn’t need that anymore. Gloria is already too much for him.
Cory was a product of media hype. What was her real role in EDSA 1? The true heroes of EDSA are Honasan and Enrile. They are the fire-starters. Not even Ramos the late comer who had the gall to claim it for himself. And where’s Cory? She was there somewhere in the Visayas being hidden by nuns and priests and she only came out when everything was under control. Was that the kind of hero we really wanted? -Florry
The true hero of EDSA 1 are the People with Cory as the symbol because of her martyred husband…
I never thought I will say this in this blog.
Xman and Florry, time to move on.
There’s no people power without the fire-starters – Enrile and Honasan.
Oblak, where to, we’re still in this thread and you can move on if you want and don’t visit this thread, then you don’t have any problem.
Oblak, wants us to move on because Noynoy fans could not take the TRUTH, they do no accept the truth.
“Never mind if the declared candidate was a congressman for 9 years and produced only 5 House bills, of which none was passed into law. Never mind if, as senator, he only had the renaming of streets made into law. He didn’t have anything to say on the Carp either, maybe because of his family’s Hacienda Luisita embroilment that saw 14 farmers killed. And this non-entity suddenly becomes material for the presidency?
He is built up as a patriot, as it says in his Web site: Dugong Bayani. Dugong Traydor is more like it with a grandfather who volunteered to head the Japanese occupation government Kalibapi, and a father who betrayed the Philippine’s effort to retake Sabah.”
http://www.tribune.net.ph/20090911/commentary/20090911com5.html
oblak,
nasa proseso pa ako ng pagtitimbang, at hindi nagmamadali.
nais ko sanang himukin ang sambayanang botante magsuri muna ng malalim bago tumalon o dili kaya’y tumaya sa isang kandidato.
mabigat ang suliranin ng bansa. nakakalungkot kung pikit matang itaya ang mga pangarap para sa Inang Bayan sa isang kandidato hindi naman ganap ang kahandaan at walang pagsubok.
sa loob ng anim na buwan, maaring titingkad ang kalakasan o kahinaan ng isang kandidato batay sa kanyang pagsagot at pagdala ng mga isyung bumabagabag sa bansa.
samantala, ituloy ang debate.
confiremd na ba that bongbong will run under NP? Why the sudden political renaissance of this family? at a time when many of the cases against them are about to be resolved….