by Senator Antonio Trillanes IV
Yesterday, at a press conference, Pres. Aquino announced his plan to create a security force similar to the British SAS composed of around 200 to 400 police and military personnel to be deployed during crisis situations. This was a policy response to the Aug. 23 Hostage Crisis that led to the death of 8 Hong Kong tourists. On its face, such creation seems responsive to the crisis capability issues of our security forces that were brought to light by the Aug. 23 incident. However, upon close scrutiny, there may be some underlying problems that may hinder its success in the future.
1. Unity of Command – The basic question is, who shall head this composite elite force: a PNP or AFP officer? Or would it be a set-up where both a PNP and AFP officer would be designated as “co-commanders” to accommodate the egos of these two institutions? In either case, we can see potential power struggles within such a composite unit. If there would be a single commander, cohesion would be a major problem because the reality on the ground is, AFP personnel don’t take it too well to be ordered around by a PNP officer and vice versa. There are vast differences in culture and training that cannot suddenly be expected to disappear just because they now belong to a common unit.
In the case of a “co-commandership” set-up similar to what PNoy did to the DILG and his Communications Group, professional rivalry would set in and the power struggle for authority, resources, training and even credit would even be more pronounced.
2. Administrative Operability – To whom is this composite elite force accountable? Where will it get its resources? Since the PNP is under the DILG and the AFP is under the DND, this national unit could only be accountable to the President himself and its resources to sustain its operations would likely be taken from the Office of the President. No problem there since the defunct PAOCTF operated the same way during the Estrada Administration. However, just like the PAOCTF, it could only be an ad hoc body whose existence is dependent on the incumbent President’s appreciation of its value to include the political “legacy” tag to be attributed to his predecessor. Under a new administration, this unit could be dissolved just like what happened to the PAOCTF. In short, there is no permanent institutional support to sustain its existence.
3. The “Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none” Syndrome – There is simply no such thing as a single elite force that could combat, in PNoy’s own words, “any threat, be it air, sea, or land.” The numerous security crises that occurred locally and globally through the years are so diverse in nature that it’s quite impossible for any single entity to prepare, train and equip for all of them. Just an example, if there is a bomb threat, a bomb disposal team should be deployed since ordnance training and equipment are peculiar and highly specialized. Another is if we have a seajacking situation, the Navy Seals should be brought in because that is precisely the nature of their training. The proposed elite force couldn’t possibly be experts in all these fields.
Based on the above, PNoy’s planned creation of a Joint AFP-PNP elite security force is not exactly the most prudent thing to do in order to address the security problems brought about by the Aug. 23 Hostage Crisis.
Recommendations:
Instead, PNoy should just direct the Chief, PNP to create a division within the PNP Special Action Force that would specialize in high-profile hostage taking situations The PNP SAF already has the training and equipment for general assault situations but may not have an operating protocol; the needed trained hostage negotiators; or even the breaching equipment for peculiar hostage situations. This way, the problems cited above would be addressed since the PNP SAF command structure is already in place and the PNP would be the conduit for institutional support. The PNP should also start maintaining a pool of expert hostage negotiators and assault teams to address all other low-profile hostage situations.
Also, the DILG or DND should be directed to craft an Incident Management Plan or an Incident Command System that should be implemented in case of all other national contingencies.
This is the official Malacañang release on that topic:
Elite security force in the works, says Aquino
The government will train an elite national security force capable of responding to any eventuality such as the unfortunate hostage-taking incident at the Quirino Grandstand last August 23.
In a panel interview by television news anchors Mel Tiangco (GMA7), Ted Failon (ABS-CBN 2) and Paolo Bediones (TV5) at the Kalayaan Hall of Malacanang Thursday, the President said the creation of the elite unit will beef up the capability of the police and military units in responding to crisis situations.
With tourism being one of the growth drivers of the economy, the President found it odd that not even a tourist police was stationed during the hostage taking incident last month.
The President said the training and maintenance of the elite force will be patterned after the Special Air Service (SAS), a special forces regiment of the British Army, that has served as a model for the elite forces of other countries.
He said the 200 to 400-man elite force will be a composite unit from the Armed forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the Philippine National Police (PNP).
“We will copy to a degree the formation of that national unit while the PNP and the AFP are fully integrated. They will be somewhere between 200 and 400 capable of responding anywhere in the country, given any threat be it air, sea or land,” the President said.
The government, according to the Chief Executive has already organized three units both from the AFP and PNP for a demonstration Thursday and Friday to assess their capabilities.
SAS get their force from the Army and Marines, both members of the military.
The Philippine National Police is no longer part of the military. It is now a civilian organization.
President Aquino’s idea of an elite security force then has deviations from that British SAS.
Sen. Trillanes has raised some valid points.
Hayyy… Pag walang plano, tinitira. Pag gumawa ng plano, tinitira. No wonder we are all going to the dogs. The Philippines should have 90+ million Presidents!
Nagbibigay ng inputs. That’s a healthy process in a democracy. Hindi yung yuko ka lang ng yuko.
Read the whole article. There are recommendations. That’s how ideas are developed. It’s better that an idea be subjected to scrutiny and criticisms before it’s finalized.
Pag gumagawa ng plano tinitira… – amf
All plans are created that way. You do not formulate a plan that will not stand the scrutiny of experts. Even products are built that way. Merong Quality Control. sheesh.
Yeah. And there are 90+ million filipino experts!
Agree 101% on Sonny’s observations. Believe me you, tamad mag ensayo yang mga SAF. Iba ang takbo ng mga utak ng mga pulis. When I was still with PSG, the Navy SEALS assigned in the Special Reaction Unit treated the SAF guys with contempt. They didn’t have the discipline of their military counterparts. I expect problems in command if this pushes through. Baka sila-sila pa ang magbabarilan sa barracks niyan.
Agree with Trillanes and Henry. British style SAS elite force is a different animal altogether — as Henry pointed out, police might not have the same mindset but who knows? All a question of training and determination.
Police must have its elite counter-terrorism force.
But I understand Pres Aquino — he’s trying to professionalize police.
Police, in my opinion, could opt for another British-style elite force, the SBS (Special Boat Service).
DILG could up the ante — put one over the military and hire the SBS to train them !!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Again, who knows? A special force comprising army, navy, air force, police might work but as Trillanes opined, who will be the lead agency? DND or DILG.
Seriously, if DND Sec Gazmin is putting forward a British-style SAS to train a combined military-police special force, DILG could up the ante – hire British SBS to train and form PNP special force; Robredo must take initiative, tell president police needs own Special Force.
So, Sec Robredo, get cracking, speak to UK mil attaché to send over SBS fellows to talk about it — won’t cost you a dime.
(Gazmin swears by SAS but Robredo must also do research – by gum, he’s supposed to be department secretary too.)
Can guarantee Robredo that inviting an SBS commander to make presentation won’t cost his department a dime! UK military attaché will be pleased to do it for him. If UK military attaché can’t do it, Robredo can go direct to First Sea Lord (my husband’s classmate and close friend :-):-) 🙂 He really must take initiative if he wants to be effective.
Sen Trillanes says:
That, i.e., possibly no operating protocol, need for trained hostage negotiators, and perhaps the need for re-training? PNP could actually hire consultants on “permanent” basis over a number of years, until such time that the PNP is up to speed.
“Assault is the last option.” Noy.
Why is the beefing up of the last option the first contemplated improvement? If negotiations went well, there would not have been any need for an assault.
Mendoza wanted reinstatement. But the Ombudsgirl gave him the run-around. The assistant ombudsboy compounded the booboo by asking for 150 k.
The negotiator is the boss. And all moves should be in support of the boss. So if the negotiator says prepare 50,000, you do not overrule him and put only 5,000 in the bag, and to top it all, not tell the negotiator that he is short in cash. Kaya lalong nagalit si Mendoza and said sinungaling ang negotiator. If the negotiator says reinstate the SOB, do it. There should be no rank pulling here. The negotiator is the boss, only for this situation. The ombudsflukes can again assert their “independence” when the situation is over.
About phone calls. If you’ve watched hostage movies (Dog Day Afternoon by Al Pacino is a good one), you will note that the negotiator controls the communication. So, the Ombudsgirl should have talked to Mendoza from her office’s landline, tapped by the police. Mendoza’s cellphone, I’m sure it could have been tapped by the provider. But nobody talked to the provider.
Food.
Tawagin ang McDo. (Kikita pa kayo). The crisis team should eat on the job, the police, at the scene, the Mayor, at the scene as well. Puwede naman siyang gumawa ng command center close by, without having to go into a restaurant. Si Rudy Giuliani, his command center was in a building near the WTC, not in a restaurant. In fact, I think it was in a communications center; para nga makatawag sa Armed Forces, the Feds, whatever is needed.
Sabi nga ni NFArice, gustong pagurin ni Mayor Lim si Mendoza, pero si Lim ang unang nagutom. Kung pinakain niyo si Mendoza, it might have bought you time. Nilagyan na rin sana ng pampatulog yung pagkain; puwede rin yung date-rape drug ang ilagay.
This is all Monday morning quarterbacking, yes. But all because the quarterback was eating, not thinking.
I think the SAS is more of an outfit trained to operate behind enemy lines during its wartime operation and counter-terrorism in peacetime which also more on intelligence works…there is already such outfit existing (supposed to be) within the AFP or military/police ( they should be top secret units anyways,like Canada’s Special Forces which will get in and get out without the public or anyone knowing that they had been there.
But for internal crisis, like the hostage taking, it should be better be under the PNP command. I would suggest, specially trained units of selected officers from the PNP be assigned stragetically to cover all regions and can be moblilized in major cities and town within the country in time of crisis with their mobile equipment, including their own air transport, emergency mobile clinic or hospital and medical team. might as well go all out.
Nagbibigay ng suhestyon at valid points naman si Trillanes e, meron ng pikon! Kung pati si PNoy pikon wala talagang mangyayari sa kanyang admin, buti na lang di ko pa nakikitaan ng pagka pikon si kuya Noy gaya ng kanyang mga diehards. 🙂
Trillanes for president!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
ako pupusta ko kapag pulis uli ang hostage taker palpak na naman yang elite force. kung ibinigay lang ang unang demand ni mendoza hindi aabot sa ganon ang resulta. media ang unang demand para isiwalat ni mendoza ang bulok na sistema sa pnp kung nailabas lang ni mendoza ang gusto nya papayag na yon na mamatay ng walang madadamay. maraming pulis ang hindi lang kumikibo dahil takot sa sindikato ng pnp.
once upon a time (last year ata) may isang blogger dito na may alam sa buhay ng isang navy..”Neonate sa diin ka na bala..buligi tabagi ang naghihirap mong mga Navy”…
Chi,
Gotta be cautious — Trillanes has got enemies lurking behind every nook and cranny of the political (and military) establishment who will do everything and anything to stop Trillanes dead in his tracks if they at all suspect that Trillanes has a chance of becoming a presidential contender.
sana magtulungtulungan na ang lahat sa administration ni Noynoy at kung hindi man itabi ang mga kayabangan ng isat isa,,,puede naman kayo mag tulungan hindi ba kung tunay ang pakay ninyo sa pagbabago sa ating bayan lalo lalo na sa gobyerno…let’s all do our share to do what we can for the good of our country…ang sabi nga “ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country..”
maiba ako…may narinig ako sa TV Patrol na may nagbabalak na gagawin si Imelda na representative sa UN..hindi ba representative na siya ng Ilocos kahit na siya ay isang Romualdes na taga Leyte? wala na bang ibang puede na magrepresent sa atin sa UN? mayroon naman seguro! kung sabagay between putot and Imelda kay Imelda na ako! at least mas maganda siya kay putot…
#13 saxnviolins:
“Mendoza wanted reinstatement. But the Ombudsgirl gave him the run-around. The assistant ombudsboy compounded the booboo by asking for 150 k.”
i agree with saxnviolins completely, unlike so many critics who were barking on the wrong trees for political and other unholy reasons
Yung transcript ng phone calls between Mendoza and other people, kunin na agad sa mga providers. Go to the court, and ask for an order, para walang problema about the anti-wrietapping law na tiyak na ma-i-invoke ni Ombudsboy Emilio Gonzalez III.
The conversations were overheard by media, so hindi puwedeng sumukob sa right to privacy. Also, the hostage-taking was not “private”, neither were the negotiations. Kung phone call ni Mendoza sa asawa, talking about private matters before saying goodbye, puwedeng mag-object ang asawa.
I want to hear the conversation, dahil yan talaga ang naging mitsa ng buhay ng mga turista. Contributory na lang yung pag-aresto sa kapatid.
Yung aresto ng anak ni Dirty Freddy, kunin ang records. Anyway, hawak ni De Lima ang prosecutor (they’re under the DOJ). Mahiwaga yang anggulo ng drug arrest. Same with the basis for the suspension of Mendoza – drug related din.
Dismissed na ng Ombudsgirl para malibing na sa limot ang records. Madali yan. The family have a right to the retirement, and other benefits. Puwede naman marahil na mag-appeal ang Estate of Mendoza. If that happens, iaakyat ang records sa higher authority (I believe, the Court of Appeals). Gusto ko ring makita ng tao ang legal contortions na ginawa ng Ombudsgirl sa kasong ito.
In fact, why not sue for copies of the records under the right to information? True, hindi pa batas ang bill, but existing jurisprudence is sufficient basis to ask for the records.
Si Niel Tupas, he can also ask for the records, in behalf of the House, as an incident to the plenary power of the Legislature to investigate in aid of deliberations on the impeachment complaint.
Puwede ring imbestigahan ni Noy yang Ombudsboy, to determine whether or not to remove the Ombudsboy. He can create a fact-finding body to determine removability.
Another expert advice from moi:
Kung merong qualified supplier, dapat magpa-bid na si Robredo ng Common Sense. Mukhang bukod sa kagamitan at training, yan ang wala doon sa MPD!
#13 saxnviolins:
“Mendoza wanted reinstatement. But the Ombudsgirl gave him the run-around. The assistant ombudsboy compounded the booboo by asking for 150 k.”
#22 sychitpin
i agree with saxnviolins completely, unlike so many critics who were barking on the wrong trees for political and other unholy reasons
I also agree! Ombudsgirl and her minion tiwali! You people..ooops vultures sucks!
Ate Ellen,
Kung ang gumawa po ng assault nung 8-23 at resolba(sabihin natin after 4 hours) at napatay si Mendoza at ligtas lahat ang mga hostages,pero ang gumawa ng assault ay mga quick reaction team ng AFP na trained ng mga US green beret.. magagawa po ba natin papuriin ang sana’y tagumpay na iyon???
kasi po may KATAWA-TAWA akong nakikita ko pag ganun ang po nangyari:
1. Makikialam na naman ang mga aktibista tulad ni Satur at liza maza at sabihin naging “militarized” ang operation at sabihin na naman labag sa konstitusyon ang matagumpay na operasyon.
2.Kung napatay si Mendoza, ang sasabihin naman po siguro ng CHR; eh may violation kasi hindi pinagbigyan ang hostage taker na humihingi lang naman daw ng reinstatement….
Hindi po ako maka Pnoy, pero naniniwala naman po ako na gagawin niya ang lahat para naman po makabangon ang bayan mula sa kahihiyan na naganap.
Kita ko rin po ang mali sa plano na ito, kilala naman natin ang mga PMAers na nung naging kadete pa po sila, in less than 1 minute makaka solve na po sila ng pinakamahirap na math problem, pero bakit sa problemang ito eh kita pa ng lahat ang mali?
If Senator Trillanes is offering a suggestion about the subject, why not just talk to Pnoy in private and discuss these things with him constructively? Mukhang si Pnoy naman open sa suggestions. Does he needs to let the whole world know how good he is? To me I already know he is capable but I also know others have and can stand on their own too. Di naman stupido ang Gobyernong ito. Madami lang talagang challenges na kinakaharap. Sa military maraming factions, di lahat ang intensyon is to depend the country and it’s people! Di ba? If our military is a true professional institution di na sana nagkaroon ng Magdalo, You, RAM, etc.
Olan, could be that Trillanes knew he wouldn’t have Aquino’s ear, not while Gazmin is around.
para naman naging special forces itong si Sen. trillanes, eh nung kudeta nga di niya napanalo eh….
Karamihan kasi sa ating mga kapulisan ay natanggap sa serbisyo dahil sa palakasan at hindi talaga na-kilatis ng maigi kung may kakayahang gampanan ang trabaho ng isang pulis. Dapat pag in-access mo ang isang pulis makikita mo kung alisto at matalas ang pakiramdam. Sa tindig pa lang ay nakakasindak na. Matipuno, matangkad at tigasin! Eh ang mga pulis natin eh matatawa ka sa itsura, bundat, payat, maliit at malamya, kaya naman ang mga kriminal eh libreng nagagawa ang kanilang krimen. Mas maayos pa ang mga Boyscouts.
martinsampag,
Palaging mas mahalaga ang buhay at kalagayan ng mga inosente kaysa sa kriminal. The fact na nang-hostage si Rolando, siya ay instantly considered na isang kriminal at dapat lang na ma-neutralize. Yung pagnenegotiate at pagpapasuko ay paraan para sa kaligtasan ng buhay ng offender o hostage-taker. Pero kung walang linaw na safe ang mga hostages ay dapat nang tapusin at ma-neutralize at tirahin ang offender. The sooner the better!
luzviminda,
yan ang sinasabi ko, ma neutralized ng maaga ang hostage taker…. Pero ang CHR, may reklamo sa ganyan at pag militar gagawa ng operasyon sa ganyang bagay, andyan na naman si “satur at si bruhang maza” na sabihin “militarizyon ang nangyari”… tama ako diba? so please paki basa ang sinulat ko kanina #26 para naman di ka makapag comment na di ako sang ayun na “napatay sana ng maaga si mendoza”. para naman tayong communication team ni Pnoy na di nagkaintindihan…
Okay lang na hugutin sa iba’t-ibang sangay ang Special Action Force pero dapat ay may mataas na opisyal na sakop ang lahat ng sangay na pinanggalingan, para mag-head sa grupong ito. Pwede ang DILG ang mangsiwa, pero dapat ay may nakatutok. Pwede na ring isama ang pag-sugpo sa mga holdaper, with the buddy-partner system in plain-clothes para di disimulado, for the time being na hindi pa kailangan ang grupo. Tulad nuong panahon ni Marcos na may mga sharp-shooter plain-clothes police (Marshals ang tawag nuon) na sakay-baba sa mga sasakyan para mang-hunting ng mga holdaper. Marami na kasing mga holdaper lalo na sa mga pampasehorng sasakyan na naglipana sa ating paligid. Lagi kasi kaming pamilya na sumasakay ng pampasaherong sasakyan at palaging may kaba sa aming dibdib hanggang di kami nakakarating sa bahay.
martin,
Naiintindihan kita, ang punto ko lang ay hindi mahalaga ang sasabihin ng ibang tao kung tama naman ang ginawa o ginagawa ng mga awtoridad. Hindi mawawala yang mga magrereklamo, ang mahalaga ay kung nasa tama ka at nasa batas ay maipag-tatanggol mo nang maayos ang iyong posisyon, desisyon at aksyon. Peace!
Ah, naalala ko na. SECRET MARSHALS pala ang tawag nuon sa mga holdaper-hunters nuong panahon ni Marcos. Estudyante pa ako nuon. At talaga namang mabibilis at mga sharp shooters sila.
The idea of coming up with an SAS-type of unit is commendable. But to mix two differing cultures (i.e., police and army) spells trouble.
Tama rin naman si PNoy in adopting the SAS model, but SAS is the special forces component of the British Army without any police personnel. It has a “special projects team” specializing in counter-terrorism and anti-hijacking (plane, building/CQB, and public transport). In a hostage situation, the police handles the negotiating portion and the assigned negotiator controls the ground until such time that he/she decides that they have to use the final option (i.e., assault). The ground commander provides oversight to all ground components in such a situation and gives the final decision to the SAS team leader to assault. Israel also adopted this model and carved out a company or two from their army commandos to form the Sayeret Matkal, while the Americans modeled their Delta Force also from the SAS.
Why not create 2 separate elite forces, one from the police and the other from military? Both trained by foreign elite forces as suggested by Anna.
The police will take care of domestic “violence” and if situation turns bad and becomes a national security threat, thats when the military elite force comes in. Hmmm….. tulog kaya ako??? 😛
Opinion lang, malaki naman kasi napagkaiba ng mga bagong military spec.ops at mga police; mga police madaling mabayaran at easy lang ang buhay, ang military lalo na marines talagang naka-ukit sa kanila ang integridad, kaya kita naman natin ang mga nagdaan na mga KUDETA..
ANg PNP, mula ibaba hanggang itaas “NOPOLITIKA NA”… Ang AFP naman, “may iilan lang ang NAPOLITIKA” at sigurado nasa itaas lang…sa ibaba ng mga ranko(junior officers), talagang makikita pa rin natin idealismo…
Martin,sa isang banda tama ka,mga junior officers me idealismo pa rin. Problema,pag taas ng ranggo,kinakain na rin ng sistema. Sinong general ngayon ang mahirap, meron ba? Sana meron at mali ako.
Tungkol naman sa elite special forces kuno,wala ring mangyayari dyan. Kasi yang mga pulis at sundalo,parang tubig at langis. Pero parehong mga utak talangka. Kaya nga hindi sinunod ni magtibay si Pnoy,masasapawan sya,syang ang credit hindi mapupunta sa kanya,at ang promosyon!
Ang kailangan ng bansa natin,magkaron ng takot sa Diyos. Problema kasi hanggang ngayon lumuluhod pa rin ang karamihan sa semento at kahoy. kung magbabalik lang tayo sa Kanya,pagagalingin Nya ang mga sakit ng bansa natin. Amen.
RE #2 amf.
Tama ka diyan amf, pero naki pnoy ang disisyon. Marami diyan ng mga advisers, kasama na si Trillanes na palpak magplano, kung may plano man siya noon.
So, mayroon naman ng proseso yang pag-develop ng kung ano mang tawag nila sa team na yan. Kasama na marahil kung ano ang sakup ng gawain.
Huwag sana tayong madismaya sa dami ng “magagaling” magbigay ng payo. Remember na dapat marunong tayong magdisimula ng magandang ideya sa ingay.
tagaisip, tama ka! ang MPD at ang NCRPO directo, dyan nagsisimula karamihan ang mga magiging PNP chief…
gayahin nalang nila yung “spetsnaz” ng russia, maski walang equipment basta may baril ok na!
sa nos.13 at 23 na post ni Saxs,i agree with him.he has more common sense than anyone else here.
i just read the title, the author and the 1st 2 paragraphs…
AT4 was a soldier so he has the position to comment on this matter however if he said that it would fail… mukhang minamaliit nya kakayahan at talino ng mga kasalukuyang liderato ng AFP and PNP… and also there’s an existing model… gagayahin na lang… so hindi na mahirap gawin to…
1. Unity of Command
If there would be a single commander, cohesion would be a major problem because the reality on the ground is, AFP personnel don’t take it too well to be ordered around by a PNP officer and vice versa.
he has valid point here… dapat talagang iconsider… but I believe that the new leadership of PNP and AFP will maintain their professionalism… lalo pat alam nila na sincere ang presidente na i-improve and sistema nila… magkaiba ang mentalidad ng pulitiko at mga sundalo… kaya hindi dapat ikumpara…
2. Administrative Operability
Under a new administration, this unit could be dissolved just like what happened to the PAOCTF. In short, there is no permanent institutional support to sustain its existence.
Successful ang operation ng PAOCTF, magaling kasi ang leader na si Lacson… walang problema kung idissolve ng next president… ang importante hindi na maulit ung Aug 23 incident…
3. The “Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none” Syndrome –
mukhang hind ata alam ni AT4 ang buong plano ah… kaya nga “Joint AFP-PNP Elite Security Force” ang tawag… the elite will compose from several units from PN, PA, PAF, PNP-SAF… so depende sa tawag ng pangangailangan kung sino ang reresponde…
Recommendations:
Sorry, i dont like his recommendation… maliit and scope!
henry90 – September 10, 2010 6:05 pm
Agree 101% on Sonny’s observations. Believe me you, tamad mag ensayo yang mga SAF. Iba ang takbo ng mga utak ng mga pulis. When I was still with PSG, the Navy SEALS assigned in the Special Reaction Unit treated the SAF guys with contempt. They didn’t have the discipline of their military counterparts. I expect problems in command if this pushes through. Baka sila-sila pa ang magbabarilan sa barracks niyan.
henry, comment mo unang binasa ko… PNP-SAF ang gustong ipagmit ni AT4 at tingin mo tamad pala… pano yan? tamad ang SAF baka kasi tamad ang amo… nasa leader yan…
kung gusto nila magbarilan sa barracks.. gawin nila ng mas maaga… hahaha..
Perl, my understanding of the joint elite force is that they are expected to move as one and not individually.
In other words, I think the plan (if ever) is to recruit from each major command, i.e., PAF, PN, PA and of course, PNP, to form a united special action force.
Somehow, I agree that the PNP have a different mindset from the military. Of course, there is a possibility that the police recruits, if ever the plan pushes through, will eventually develop a “militarised” mindset, after all, as I suggested earlier, question of training and determination.
The real problem, again if the plan pushes through, is which will be the lead agency? DILG or DND?
Anyway, seems a PNP SAF already exists — so perhaps, like what Sen Trillanes suggests, why not upgrade their operation manual, train negotiators, etc.
Would be good to have Sen Lacson’s view too.
At last, somebody mentioned the PAOCTF.
Why not revive it? After all, tuloy pa naman ang mga corrupt opts. That may be better than that idiotic Truth Omission.
And just to twit the corrupt, i-appoint uli si Erap. And bring back all the Lacson boys. Eventually, when the judge realizes that you cannot have a murder without a murdered, then Lacson himself can be back at the helm of the PAOCTF.
Isa lang ang problema.
Lacson is anti-jueteng, Erap wants to legalize it, and Robredo wants a backdoor to its legalization (strengthening the small time lotto). Paano naman yung taong mahaba ang baba?
Talagang problema ng Pilipinas ang mga baba. Earlier, there were the short baba – Luli and Mother. Ngayon naman, long baba.
Ang isang bansa kailangan bang ang maraming ng “mapatupad ng batas”,kung ang mamayan ay isang mamayan ay kabutihan ang nasaisip at pagsunod sa pinaguutos,Tignan natin ang mga ibang bansa,ang private security guard ay kailangan lamang sa malalaking establisemento,dito kung puwede lang pati ang naglalako ng balot ay mag-hire ng SG,para protektahan.Kasi kung sino ang nagpanukala at nagpasa ng batas,ay siya pa ang unang lumalabag.Sa hiram na kapangyarihan ay inaabuso naman ng mga NAGPAPATUPAD,at parang mga SUB-CRIMINAL.Tignan na lang traffic enforcer,sa daming “AHENSIYA”kuno daw, May MMDA,LTO,LFTRB at iba pa bukod sa mga super KUTONG COP.Kaya nga huwag natin tignan ang kabutihan sa ganda ng suot na damit at kaanyuan ng tao,minsan mas mabangis pa sa halimaw.Dumadami ang mga kriminal dahil sa mga kaugalian natin,pinamana ng ating mga ninuno.Kung ano man iyon ay makikita natin sa Salamin.
How about this. AFP & PNP will have a joint training to be trained by foreign elite force. But both are still separate unit. Sa training lang magkasama. But pagdating sa actual operation, the PNP will deal with the local front and the AFP only comes in when situation got worst. And meron ng national security threat.
Probably it’s best to simplify a hostage crisis management…
Primary goal:
– Safety of hostages
Choices of a hostage taker:
1. Become a “martyr” – kill hostages and commit suicide (self-inflicted or fight it out)
2. Negotiate to acceptable terms – for both him and the authorities
3. Surrender – simply give up
Choices of the one in authority:
1. Assault – tactical offensive with hostage rescue foremost in the plan
2. Negotiate
Obviously, the primary goal dictates what to do initially, i.e., talk first. When negotiations fail, assault is inevitable.
This Elite Security Force is one group consisting of several units or divisions to carry out simultaneous or cascading tasks in order to secure the safety of the hostages. The tasks range from first-responders, negotiation, tactical offensive, emergency rescue for possible injuries, care of hostages after the crisis, etc.
I believe “doomsayers” may spell success to this Elite Security Force for anticipation of disaster at every opportunity is at once addressed and avoided.
I therefore nominate Senator Antonio Trillanes IV to be appointed as the head of this Elite Security Force.
oops, forgot this…
Reference: http://www.learningforlife.org/exploring/lawenforcement/study/hostage.pdf
Is President Aquino thinking along the lines of JTF 2 (Joint Task Force 2) which is very secretive special forces…and is National in nature or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Task_Force_2
just a local Swat team trained and each localities and will augmented by the national special force above?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Task_Force_(TPS)
he can have both and that will cover all the needs from counter terrorism, hijacking, hostage taking and even smuggling and highs sea piracy..
special forces para sa mga magnanakaw ng kaban ng bayan.ito ang kailangan natin.ang hostage taking ay paminsan minsan lang.ang graft and corruption araw~araw nangyayari sa atin kahit nga may hostage taking,mayroon pang humihingi ng lagay,150k daw.
special forces para sa mga magnanakaw ng kaban ng bayan.ito ang kailangan natin.ang hostage taking ay paminsan minsan lang.ang graft and corruption araw~araw nangyayari sa atin kahit nga may hostage taking,mayroon pang humihingi ng lagay,150k daw.
– patria adorada
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hahahahaha! pati ba naman hostage taker hingan ng TONG? 🙂
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Mayroon namang special forces patria adorada. Pero ang special forces ay nasa panig ng magnanakaw, hindi sa panig ng nanghuhuli.
Hayan at mayroon na daw tumatanggap ng lagay sa jueteng.
Name names daw sabi ng Calaco. If you don’t know, clueless nga talaga kayo. Paano na lang kung a la Chavit yan, at magsabing he is collecting for PNoy?
The move to combine elements from the AFP and PNP for this group may be more of a financial or “budget” consideration, I doubt if we can afford to two separate training programs.
If ever, Trillanes’ views should be considered when they are assessing the participants, during the training needs analyis, as he pointed out there are cultural differences so they have to factor this in the training, maybe even a team building component of sorts…
The command part can be assessed also during and after the training, if there is a need to split the two or training ironed out these wrinkles already…
Trainig, hardships, challenges, have a way of creating this “bond” between men…and people can learn to be better, and not just be slaves of their own sub-cultures…
Its a good “heads up” really from Trillanes and shouldn’t be viewed as anything else…
Itong si bishop cruz talaga, mayron pa daw siyang mga taong nagmamanman, hehehe, bakit kaya hindi niya unahin and mga pari, bisho, etc. sa simbahan (tingin sa pampanga) na tumatanggap ng jueteng payola, at least hawak niya mga taong yun? hmmmmmm…..
Trillanes is no expert also, but, for every plan, for every system being proposed, there should be a PPA (potential problem analysis), it is actually possible to “do it right the first time” but only if you are prepared…and this “presumption of regularity” of the president must be put in the backburners for the moment as nobody, not even him, is sure that the people in place will do their jobs to meet expectations…mahirap nang madisappoint ulit…maraming namamatay sa maling akala…there is a saying “presumption is the mother of all fuck ups.”
SWAG (Special Warfare Action Group – Phil. Navy) lang naman nanggaling si Trillanes.
Sa isang banda tama, kaso apat ang banda. (Anim pa ang butas)
Nadale mo. Kaya lang meron ding special forces ang magnanakaw.
Yun na nga ang gustong sabihin ni Trillanes. Swak yan lalo na sa #3 reason ni AT4. Yung example ng seajacking. Alangan namang Air Force ang ipadala mo samantalang diyan trained yung Navy Seals.
Hindi yata ma-gets ng iba diyan. Kaya nga merong iba-ibang units ang AFP at PNP kasi iba-iba ang roles na ginagampanan. Pagtrapikin sa EDSA yung Air Force? Ibili ng fighter jet yung PNP? Wow mali. Ipa-raid yung saklaan sa Navy? Naletse na.
Pansin ko, maraming allergic kay AT4, ha. Malayo pa 2016, ang aga ninyong ma-threaten.
Si Gringo na lang kaya ang mag-advise kay Noynoy? Hahaha.
May special forces nga ang mga magnanakaw; composite team pa.
Nagsisimula sa bid committee sa executive. May tao sa legislature para sa budget. May ombudsgirl kung may demanda. Kung lumusot ang demanda, may Sandiganbayan justice. Tapos, kung lusot pa rin, may supreme court justice pa.
I hope that is not a Freudian slip.
Pay to whom? Rico E. Puno? O baka siya na nga ang nangongolecta?
Pay to whom?
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Eh, kanino pa? Eh sa lord of all gambling lords! sino pa ba?
tt,
Its too early to make any assumptions re elite force, I’m sure they’ll see these issues when they are formulating their training needs analysis, someone is bound to come up with a proposal, present it, they discuss the nuances, pros and cons, cost and benefit, etc…(i hope) 🙂
nnaDeBrux – September 11, 2010 12:23 am
Olan, could be that Trillanes knew he wouldn’t have Aquino’s ear, not while Gazmin is around. – anna
Well one can speculate. If the intent is common good why even worry about Gazmin? At this time when unity is needed. Unity in the sense of rebuilding our republic from the corrupt ways of previous administrations, challenges like these needs to be place in proper forum, not media. I rather see Senator Trillanes work constructively not as a critic with nothing to show for it but rather see him advance policies against corruption, etc. kaya nga naging senator siya. My two cents, I rather see all of our good senators or the Congress as a whole step up help define direction making Good Governance as the centerpiece when leading our country moving forward instead of forum shopping to make oneself or themselves look better than the other. We’ve been there before and it doesn’t conclude anything!
If they truly represent the people, Congress can start by looking how to improve our judicial services. resolve issues with our Ombudsman, taken over by the corrupt, inept, and criminal extortionist. Looks into improvement of our Judiciary as a whole, the root cause of many injustice through intentional delay leading to corruption, and extortion!
Tongue:
Comment lang. Hindi SEAL si AT4. Si Layug na mistah nya ang SEAL. General line officer yang si Sonny. Pagkatapos ng junior billets aboardship, nag masteral na yata siya para luminya sana sa Logistics pero nadismaya nga dahil sa illegal conversion practices sa Navy. Thanks.
Perl a #49:
Kahit si Ping Lacson noon sa PAOCTF, ang mga tirador nya galing lang sa dalawang grupo. Navy SWAG at Force Recon ng Marines. Di siya bilib sa SAF kasi nga ibang klase ang mentality ng pulis sa atin. Mahina ang discipline. Puede lang mga yan sa organized crime syndicates pero pagdating sa anti-terrorist response lalo na yung may mga Islamic radical ideology, di nila kakayanin. Iiyak ang mga iyan. Hilaw ang training ng mga iyan. Unlike yung mga SF ng AFP. Buo ang bonding ng mga kasapi. I’m not biased against the police just because I came from the AFP. It’s just that in my nature of work before, part of my job was to assess and document the strenghts and weaknesses of the operating units under the PSG. So more or less, alam ko ang kakayahan ng mga units na ito. 😛
First thing that the PNP must institute as a general policy is to require that members go through a stringent diet — lose all those tyres around their bellies. The Philippine police will not be respected for as long as they look like Perrier bottles.
First thing that the PNP must institute as a general policy is to require that members go through a stringent diet — lose all those tyres around their bellies.
– anna
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maybe this can be national in scope? the potbellied popultion is growing you know… 🙂
Perrier bottles.
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sosyal ka talaga anna…coke litro lang example namin dyan 🙂
She lives in Belgium man. Ordinaryo yan doon. Sosyal is relative.
Maaaring sosyal ang Budweiser or Miller diyan, pero dito sa US, low class yan. In Pinoy parties here, oks ka if you serve San Miguel Beer. Mas madaling maubos yan kaysa Heineken.
Yes, Henry, James Layug is a trained NSWU SEAL, AT4 is SWAG as I said. Thanks for the heads-up.
The AFP vs PNP is really a big issue it can’t be taken lightly. Foremost is the issue of discipline as our soldiers here have argued several times in the past. The issue of holes in boots for example is not an exaggeration believe me. But it’s either they buy their own or wait for the supply.
In the Police, it’s a different thing where many do-gooders prefer the Robin Hood route. They dip their hands in illegal funds (evidences, ransom, confiscated loots, etc.) to fund the shortages in logistics without really taking some for their pockets (now, you don’t even believe that, do you?).
Trillanes, a Seal (PN SWAG)? I don’t think so. Agree with Heny, he’s a general line officer, not member of SWAG.
Philippine Navy Seals were re-named SWAG. But they are still popularly called Seals (their old name).
Also, Trillanes, if we are to follow, naval traditions, is still or was a sea kitten (not completed his command badge at all); not his fault though; anyway, there are not that many sea dogs in the Navy, let alone salthorse (very very old English navy term for real dyed-in-the-wool sea dogs.)
But there’s plenty of sea cats though (a notch higher than sea kittens) in the Philippine Navy. 😛
PN SEALs (or PN SWAG today) are my favourite PN component… know them well too.
To me they are the PN’s SBS. 😛
Ellen,
Story after Trillanes “escaped” from PN custody (can’t remember which year), their commander (a friend) sacked and members disbanded, re-assigned to various units, some sent to Zambales (Education and Training).
I reckon Gloria was advised to do it — SWAG on their own, united and determined could have captured Malacanang, toppled Gloria and installed a new president.
She got frightened of this unit and understandably so.
That was how good these chaps were.
She lives in Belgium man. Ordinaryo yan doon. Sosyal is relative.
Maaaring sosyal ang Budweiser or Miller diyan, pero dito sa US, low class yan. In Pinoy parties here, oks ka if you serve San Miguel Beer. Mas madaling maubos yan kaysa Heineken.
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never did figure out why people like the stuff, its just carbonated water…there’s san miguel premium na, which i personally prefer over bud, heineken, tiger, tsingtao, and several house brews in germany…nothing beats a cold san mig…more so the sub zero…hits the spot any time…
Jug… what do you mean by sosyal? To be likened to a Perrier bottle is the height of non-approval in my book. 🙂
Btw, fizzy water, eg., Perrier, is just as cheap or as expensive (as SnV says, it’s relative) as non-fizzy water where I sit. and I compared RP policemen to Perrier bottles because if I’d compare them to Spa water bottles (local fizzy water here, whose bottles look exactly like Perrier bottles), you might hnotave related to the image. Incidentally, don’t know what cola bottles in Pinas look like anymore.
I could have likened them to Michelin Tyres (the old Michelin advert)… to be described as Michelin tyres is not very nice either.
SWAG or not, ang alam ko, SINUWAG ni Trillanes si Putot. LOL.
SWAG or not, ang alam ko, SINUWAG ni Trillanes si Putot. LOL.
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True! so did Lim and company…but that woman has very potent venom though, the guys are still in the freezer until now, way after she’s gone…
Jug… what do you mean by sosyal? To be likened to a Perrier bottle is the height of non-approval in my book.
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It hurts kasi…when Perrier was bought by Nestle a few year’s back, one of my last projects with them were the coolers and sticker ads that came with them, it was a lot of work…of course, my baby, Perrier, for me will always be sosyal, it retails up on the high side and can only be bought in selected outlets like Rustan’s, etc…of course, we have stocks in the office pantry all the time…
I may be one of those Perrier bodies already, friends my age, especially the police and retired ones have this common denominator…but the ones in the army and marines are a different story, they even have this strange hobby that they’ve been egging me to join, triathlon (or tri athlete) which I always find an excuse to escape from… 🙂
US Increases Aid by P200 M to Improve PNP
By AARON RECUENCO
September 12, 2010, 5:14pm
BAGUIO CITY – The United States government will increase its budget assistance to the Philippine National Police (PNP) to help improve the organization’s investigation and operational capability.
From P400 million, the annual US fund assistance to the PNP will now be P600 million.
Director General Jesus Verzosa, outgoing PNP chief, said that this was confirmed to him by US Ambassador to the Philippines Harry K. Thomas.
“The US government has already expressed its plan to increase the budget support for the PNP from P400 million plus to P600 million plus,” Verzosa said.
But Verzosa stressed that the PNP does not receive the US budget subsidy assistance in cash or in bulk but through construction of police stations, procurement of some equipment, and training programs for local police personnel abroad.
The recent US assistance is the donation of several speedboats mounted with M60 machine guns that will be used by the PNP-Maritime Group (PMG) in its operations in the western and southern parts of the country.
The announcement in the rise of budget support came several days after the hostage drama fiasco in Manila where the PNP was criticized for allegedly mishandling the negotiation and bungling the rescue operations, what with the death of foreign hostages.
While he would not discuss why Thomas informed him of the increase in assistance, Verzosa confirmed that the information was indeed relayed to him by the US ambassador right after the hostage-taking incident on August 23.
JOINT A.F.P.-P.N.P. FORCE IN DRAWING BOARD
Meanwhile, the military said Sunday that the creation of a joint Armed Forces of the Philippines-Philippine National Police (AFP-PNP) special operations unit to deal with situations such as the August 23 Manila hostage-taking is now on the drawing board.
Brigadier General Jose Mabanta, Jr., AFP spokesman and Civil Relations Service (CRS) commander, said, however, that nothing is final yet as there are problems that need to be threshed out such as “non-compatibility” of the military and police elite forces.
It will be recalled that the creation of the joint AFP-PNP special operations units was ordered by President Benigno S. Aquino III, following the bungled rescue operation during the Quirino hostage-taking that ended in the death of eight foreign tourists and the hostage-taker.
Mabanta confirmed that there had been an initial talk between Lt. Gen. Ricardo David, AFP Chief of Staff, and PNP Chief Verzosa on the matter.
He said, however, that the talks focused more on capability demonstration of the respective elite forces of the military and the police held last week and witnessed by the President.
Mabanta said the President’s directive can be done but it may take some time as a little study and some doctrinal changes must first be undertaken.
The AFP spokesman said the first issue in coming up with the joint special operations unit is who will take charge of the command considering its members will come from the AFP and PNP.
He hastened to add, however, that what can be done probably is to put a civilian authority in control the joint unit.
But more than the issue of control, Mabanta said another concern is the inter-operability of the different forces that will comprise the unit, as he emphasized that each has their own specialization in their own right.
He said the PNP elements usually operate in urban areas while the Army’s Light Reaction Battalion (LRB) operates in jungles and mountain. The Navy Special Operations Group (NAVSOG) also known as Navy SEALS, on the other hand, is trained for hostage-taking even in high seas while the Special Operations Wing (SPOW) of the Air Force are for hijacking of aircrafts.(With a report from Elena L. Aben)
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/276774/us-increases-aid-p200-m-improve-pnp
Same is true for US aid to military. There is a tendency to believe that Uncle Sam gives the monetary aid in cash to government. No.
The US monetary aid is handled in bulk by the US and is appropriated for some of the US sponsored military projects in RP, eg, balikatan exercises, training, health/mercy missions, construction of airfields and “bases”, procurement of some items that are then “donated” to or used by military, etc.
Israel and Egypt each receives billions of dollars in US FMF which they use to maintain their respective militaries, eg., procurement and maintenance.
RP is a major ally of the US but doesn’t quite enjoy the same trust that Israel and Egypt enjoy and to think, we allow them to establish permanent bases in RP albeit officiously. In a way, RP is getting a raw deal, money wise. But as they say, beggars can’t be choosers.
In a way, RP is getting a raw deal, money wise. But as they say, beggars can’t be choosers.
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I really don’t understand why we are in this predicament…maybe because most people (to include americans) view our government as very corrupt and can’t be trusted with money…for good reason…
…maybe we’ll have better luck with noynoy this time? lets see if he can get uncle sam to treat us like japan and egypt…as a strategic partner in southeast asia…of course, if we can only get rid of these pesky militants shouting “ialis ang mga base militar!”
FINALITY of any events in our life are been designed and destined before we are born.Nobody can change the courses of events no matter how been tried by EXPERTS,GENIUSES and any GROUPS of scientists,religious.etc.If those thing been preventable and could be avoided by someone,better than GOD,may be he/she should take the place of our almighty creator,designing the courses of somebody’s life in the finality of the events.Mistakes and errors are learned in the past,w/c if these thing are ahead of times before it was committed,so there are no error and mistakes to be learned.That’s why human been created to be highest form of “Animal”with all senses{unfortunate some are lacking of those],to learned,tackled and corected the past.But my poor fellow kababayan,still too slow learning the “lessons”,of what our forefathers past.Been oppressed for almost 3 centuries by foreigners,then get self declarations of independence from oppressor w/o clearly winning or form than been released by the oppressor,w/c the whole country been peddled for 20 million dollars to another country,means under another RULES w/ a different systems of running the country.UNDER the blues eyes and golden hairs,our leaders tried their best running the country w/the guidedance of Blue eyes,but Let me run it myself like hell,than you like heaven policy,we could on that point the biggest mistakes,we rather see ourself be a beggars, criminals as long been freed from any foriegn dominations,if only those leader give the chances the reformed our country to change our culture being long OPPRESSED attitudes,The DESIGNER of our destiny changes the path of the course.
Jug,
There was a time when government had virtual access to US cash aid (FMS/FMF), during the time of Pres Marcos and I believe during the early years of Pres Cory Aquino. Military chiefs could dip into the cash aid practically direct. I suppose when we kicked out the bases (which, I must say I was opposed to for the simple reason that they provided good rent money for RP 🙂 ), the US became upset…
US defense assistance may be in the form of hardware and software, but who says they can’t be turned to cash? No wonder all rebel groups and private armies are toting US-made weapons.
And many generals are millionaires.