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Ang sugat ng 1017

Pasalamat ba tayo kay Gloria Arroyo dahil inalis niya ang Proclamation 1017?

Ang ganoong paningin ay walang pinagkaiba sa isang lalaki na nambubugbog ng asawa. Kapag hininto na ang kanyang pambubugbog, pasasalamat ba ang inaping asawa?

Di ba dapat managot siya sa kanyang pagsupil ng ating karapatan lalo na sa karapatan ng pamamahayag? Dapat managot siya sa perwisyo na kanyang idinulot sa sambayanan.

Kung ang simpleng taong tumatawid sa bawal na parte ng kalsada ay hinuhuli at minumultahan ng jaywalking, ito pa kayang babaeng nambabastos ng Saligang Batas?

At ano ngayon kung inalis ni Arroyo ang 1017? Nandiyan pa rin naman siya sa Malacañang sa kanyang inagaw na kapangyarihan. Magpapatuloy siya sa pagsisikil ng ating karapatan para lamang mapagtakpan ang kanyang maraming malaking krimen sa taumbayan.

Masyadong mahaba ang kasalanan ni Arroyo sa taumbayan mula pa ng nang-agaw siya ng pagpa-president noong Jan. 2001. Upang manatatili siya sa pwesto ay nandaya siya noong 2004 eleksyon na naibulgar sa “Hello Garci” tapes. Para matakpan ng “Hello Garci tapes, katatakot-takot na pagnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan ang nanagyayari para lamang may pambayad siya sa ma taong susuporta sa kanya.

Kaya galit na galit siya sa media dahil hawak na niya halos ang lahat: Supreme Court, House of Representatives, Comelec, Ombudsman. Ang hindi lang talaga niya hawak ay ang Senado at ang lahat na media.

Binusalan na niya Senado sa kanyang E.O. 464. Kaya ang 1017 ay media talaga ang target. Ito ay kinumpirma ni Justice Secretary Raul Gonzales na may pagyayabang pang sinabi na umepekto naman raw talaga ang 1017 sa ilan miyembro ng media. Kahit raw ang mga matatapang bumira kay Arroyo ay napilitan raw na eksaminin ang kanilang patakaran.

Pagyayabang rin niyang sinabi na madali naman nilang ibalik kung gusto nila.

Talaga naman. Para sa isang taong desperado walang respeto sa Constitution, madali naman gumawa ng labag sa batas.

Bakit ba ginagawa ito lahat ni Arroyo? Sabi ni Atty. Liwayway Vinzons-Chato, gusto ni Arroyo na mapalitan na ang Constitution pagdating ng Hunyo. Sa bagong Constitution, siya ay presidente at prime minister. Hawak niya lahat at maari siyang manatili sa kapangyarihan habambuhay.

At naniniwala siya na makalimutan na ng lahat ang kanyang krimeng pandaraya at pagnanakaw.

Akala ni Arroyo napapaniwala niya ang taumbayan sa kanyang pagyayabang na nasupil niya ang mga pwersa na naghahanap ng katotohan at hustisya.

‘Yan ang akala niya.

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  1. Anino Anino

    AN UNFINISHED BUSINESS: Biazon bares pro-gov’t bombing plot

    “SEN. Rodolfo Biazon yesterday raised suspicions that groups identified with the administration were going to stage bombings in Metro Manila.

    Biazon, chairman of the Senate committee on defense and national security, said he has received information that soldiers received orders to bring explosives, particularly C4, to Metro Manila, but the purpose was unclear.

    Sources said 36 groups made up of soldiers were formed before the celebration of the 20th anniversary of People Power 1. The sources said it was not clear what the mission of the groups, which were placed on standby nationwide, was.

    The group was on its way to Metro Manila when they learned they were being hunted down and ordered shot on sight, Biazon said.”

    More on this here… http://www.malaya.com.ph/mar04/news3.htm

  2. Who can the people believe now? Politicians
    regardless of backgrounds have their own
    selfish agenda. Let’s re-think what Biazon
    have been dishing out to the public as
    information, what he had admitted he
    received before and came out with the
    information later when it suited him
    and not the country.

    What do we do in rotten situation like
    before, during and after the lifting of
    proc1017? So much and too much blah blah
    and yaking and yaking comes out from the
    mouth of politicians pretending to care
    to do something. What happened after
    Magsaysay’s yakking in the senate? What
    happened after the hot air of defending
    human rights and protecting freedom of
    the press.

  3. johnmarzan johnmarzan

    “GMA resign” Yellow bands

    i’ve got an idea to show our opposition to arroyo in a non-violent way (and make money at the same time)

    Black-and-White Movement and other blogs can advertise and sell it at their site.

    Why not make and sell GMA resign Yellow bracelet/bands (like this one).

    Lance’s yellow band wins mag design award

    The grand prize in the inaugural Bottom Line Design Awards from US magazine Business 2.0 went to the buck-a-throw Livestrong wristbands, beating off competition from Virgin Atlantic’s Upper-Class Cabin, Apple’s iMac G5 and Motorola’s Razr V3 cellphone. Lance Armstrong’s wristbands, kicked off with support from Nike, sold so well, one of the judges in Business 2.0’s awards said the campaign was “the most successful viral campaign in a decade, perhaps ever.”

    Up to 33 million yellow Livestrong bands have been sold to date, with proceeds going to the Lance Armstrong Foundation…

    Of Lance Armstrong’s wristband, Business 2.0 said:

    “Sometimes design simplicity—in this case, a $1 yellow rubber bracelet—is all it takes to make an emotional connection with consumers.

    Not only is this pretty much a non-violent way to protest the arroyo admin, but you’d look cool wearing it too (and i’m pretty sure the guy selling this would make tons of dough) 🙂

    Ito pa: Bracelet mania: Armstrong’s yellow wrist bands have become cultural phenomenon

    Here’s are photos of the LiveStrong bracelets.

    Of course, kapag nalaman ito ni Arroyo, I wouldn’t put it past her to order the police to conduct raids on the factory (or hire a few thugs to break inside the factory) making these Yellow bands and steal their merchandise. LOL. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’d stoop this low, LOL.

  4. Gloria said: :I am the best to lead this country.” Because she knows the opposition – like his coalition of thugs and retardates– is rotten to the core and nobody even in her own party can be trusted to continue the criminal rottenness of politics in this country. She challenges everyone to name a better leader, even a second rate replacement thinking everybody cheated and the people cheaply bought anyway, no name is forthcoming. I beg to disagree, I know and many people also know a person of integrity and honesty, of loyalty to his country and of excellence in his chosen profession, of an upright family. READ WHAT HE JUST WROTE (not for the money) IN HIS COLUMN:

    “Her accompanying General Order No. 5 authorizes the military and the police to take “necessary and appropriate actions and measures to prevent and suppress acts of terrorism,” including, as her minions assert, the examination of the editorial policies and motivations of the mass media and their suppression if found by them (i.e., the minions) to be inimical to their commander in chief.

    This is censorship pure and simple, an indefensible assault on the paramount freedom of expression recognized and safeguarded by the Bill of Rights. It is this right “to know, to utter, and to argue freely, according to conscience, above all liberties” that the Arroyo administration would violate on the shabby pretext of protecting the national security.”

    More of his piece later.

  5. retired justice cruz (surname symbolic of
    the Filipino) further wrote with a blast
    of canon fire:

    “Freedom of expression is usually the first casualty of a repressive regime, as when the Japanese forces immediately took over the newspapers and radio stations upon their occupation of Manila in 1942. This freedom was also the first to be shackled when Marcos announced his New Society in 1972 through the television and radio stations he had earlier placed under his control. The other stations had already been muzzled “through the barrel of the gun.”

    Freedom of expression is essential to the full and free information of the people. In sustaining the publication of the Pentagon Papers over the objection of the US government on the ground of national security, Justice Black said, “The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of the government and inform the people.” Justice Sutherland had earlier declared in another case, “A free press stands as one of the great interpreters between the government and the people. To allow it to be fettered is to fetter ourselves.”

  6. Ret Justice Cruz was using a back hoe to
    remove the dirt ande dung gloria and her
    gravediggers used to bury our freedom of
    speech:

    “It is wrong to even suggest that freedom of expression exists only for those who agree with the government. That would make this freedom more shadow than substance. The enlightened view is that the ideas protected by this most precious of liberties include those that induce “a condition of unrest, creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are, or even stirs people to anger.”

    A function of free speech, according to the US Supreme Court, is “to invite dispute.” Justice Douglas said, “The right to speak freely and to promote diversity of ideas and programs is therefore one of the chief distinctions that set us apart from totalitarian regimes.”

    To be truly meaningful, freedom of expression should permit the ventilation of all ideas, the popular as well as the unorthodox and even the bizarre, as long only as they do not exceed the reasonable limitations of the law. Libelers and seditionists deserve to be punished, but not those who, using the word as their sword, peacefully protest the evils of government and call for its reform. As Rizal did, even at the cost of his life.”

  7. I thought UNITY is cheap price in payment for the loss of freedom of expression, or the obverse rephrased: The loss of freedom of expression is too high a price to pay for unity, but justice Cruz said:

    “Unity is too high a price for the loss of freedom of expression. Justice Holmes put it aptly when he said that this liberty exists not so much for the thought that agrees with us as for the thought that we detest.

    Justice Brandeis said, “Fear of serious injury cannot justify the suppression of free speech and assembly. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears… Those who won our freedom by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty.” Voltaire, another disciple of freedom, was grandiloquent: “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    The persons quoted here were passionate lovers and defenders of liberty. At this time and place, they could be arrested without warrant under Ms Arroyo’s Proclamation No. 1017 as destabilizers of her government. They would be good and welcome company to the editorial staff of the Inquirer.”

    I will also add the entire staff of the Daily Tribune. I have not resumed reading PDI’s editorials. I thought then (before proc 1017) the contents were subliminal shit.

    I am no longer trying to be funny Madam a de brux.

  8. AS A CONSEQUENCE OF PROC 1017:
    Everybody and that includes NINEZ must be
    forewarned: IF YOU HURT THE FEELINGS OF
    OTHERS YOU CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT A
    WARRANT OF ARREST.

    DITTO FOR ALL NUMBER ONES, DON’T HURT THE FEELINGS OF NUMBER TWO, YOU CAN BE ARRESTED AND YOUR HUBBY MIGHT BE FORCED TO VOTE AGAINST IMPEACHMENT TO SECURE YOUR RELEASE.

  9. ONLY THE DUMDBEST OR DUMBWORST OF FOOLS
    WILL BELIEVE THAT THE LIFTING
    PROC 1017 WILL STOP THE
    MISIMPLEMENTATION OF IT’S
    NON-APPURTENANT PROVISIONS.

  10. a de brux a de brux

    Jay,

    Don’t think I’m taking you lightly at all. What you have been saying is true and I, like many people in Pinas, believe that you are right.

    Keep up the good work!

  11. a de brux a de brux

    Here’s some suggestions from MBuencamino and MLQ3 “to strike peacefully”:

    1. manuelbuencamino wrote on March 5th, 2006 at 1:19 pm

    use the name Jose Pidal or Garci or JocJoc Bolante at any place where your name has to be announced. I’ve used Pidal in several crowded Starbucks and it’s fun. You can also use those names in places where a public address system is used. Ex. “Paging driver of Jose Pidal” just make sure ou inform your driver before hand. What if you don’t have a driver? Better yet because the paging will go on forever. Just stand there looking pissed.

    2. mlq3 wrote on March 5th, 2006 at 1:42 pm

    and sign into security guard log books as Jose Pidal when you visit offices!

    My own suggestion: wear pins saying “I’m looking for Jose Pidal” and “I”m looking for Joc-Joc Bolante”

  12. a de brux a de brux

    From Yuko of Tokyo:

    “The song is made to the tune of the “Battle Hymn of the Republic.”
    Pilipino:

    Bayan kong sawi
    ay labis na ang hirap mo
    Walang malasakit ang pekeng nasa puwesto
    Nakaw walang humpay kurakot walang puknat
    Makapal ang lambat.

    (Refrain)

    Gloria Gloria umalis ka na
    Taong bayan sa iyo’y ayaw na
    Sinungaling na’t magnanakaw pa?
    Walang ‘ba kundi ikaw.

    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Mandaraya si Gloria.

    Japanese:

    Kuroshiteru Kokumin no seimeiwa
    Nise daitoryo no jininsuru koto
    Aisuru firipin no tame ni
    Ikkoku mo hayaku
    Sassa to dete ike

    (Refrain)
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Ikkoku mo hayaku
    Sassa to dete ike

    Tuloy ang laban! Igiit ang karapatang batikosin ang mga kurakot sa pamahalaan.

    HUWAG MATAKOT SA MGA KURAKOT”
    DiYumu Yuko

  13. a de brux a de brux

    From Yuko of Tokyo:

    “The song is made to the tune of the “Battle Hymn of the Republic.”
    Pilipino:

    Bayan kong sawi
    ay labis na ang hirap mo
    Walang malasakit ang pekeng nasa puwesto
    Nakaw walang humpay kurakot walang puknat
    Makapal ang lambat.

    (Refrain)

    Gloria Gloria umalis ka na
    Taong bayan sa iyo’y ayaw na
    Sinungaling na’t magnanakaw pa?
    Walang ‘ba kundi ikaw.

    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Mandaraya si Gloria.

    Japanese:

    Kuroshiteru Kokumin no seimeiwa
    Nise daitoryo no jininsuru koto
    Aisuru firipin no tame ni
    Ikkoku mo hayaku
    Sassa to dete ike

    (Refrain)
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Gloria, Gloria Mandaraya
    Ikkoku mo hayaku
    Sassa to dete ike

    “Tuloy ang laban! Igiit ang karapatang batikosin ang mga kurakot sa pamahalaan.

    “HUWAG MATAKOT SA MGA KURAKOT”
    DiYumu Yuko

  14. Bakit hanggang ngayon ay hindi pa ma ilabas ang report ni MAYUGA sa publiko. Noon pang Last Year na ibigay kay “Tanga” (Senga pala) iyun ah. Sabi hindi mabasa dahil makapal ang booK ng report ni Mayuga at ngayon ay pinasa kay Cruz ba?? basta isa na naman manloloko na tauhan ni Arrovo. Sa tagal ng report na ipapa publiko ay siguradong hanggang ngayon ay pinag aaralan nila kung papaano dayain na naman ang laman at siguradong kinukumbinsi nila si MayUga na huwag mag salita kapag nilabas nila ang report. Sa tagal siguradong na absuwelto na ang mga hinayupak na bayaran na Heneral lalong lalo na si Kumander cheat-A. Sino pa kaya ang maniniwala sa kanilang report kapag pinalabas. MAYUGA kung may copy ka ay ilabas mo sa publiko dahil mas kailangan ng bayan malaman ang tunay na nangyari noon. Kung isa kang Kawal at magiting na tao ay huwag kang padadala sa mga Heneral na magnanakaw LALONG LALO SA AMO MONG PEKE AT MAGNANAKAW ARROVO. Kung kasapi ka na nila ay may araw ka rin na babagsak at tiyak ko na mas matindi ang makakamit mong kaparusahan sa bayan.
    Ang sagot sa tanong ko ay kung bakit hindi pa na iilabas ang report ni MAYUGA ay DAHIL NILUSOB RIN NI LOMIBAO AT NA TAKE OVER NA NG PULIS KATULAD NG GINAWA NILA SA TRIBUNE.

  15. DEAR ELLEN,

    SANA MA TRANSFER MO SA IYUN PAHAYAGAN OR NEWS PAPER ANG MGA SINASABI DITO SA CHAT. MAY MAGAGANDANG PUNTO ANG IBANG TAONG NAGSUSULAT DITO. SANA AY MAY ISA KANG PAGE SA DIYARYO NA ANG MGA NILALAMAN AY ANG MGA SINASABI RITO. PARA MABASA NG MGA TAO NA WALANG COMPUTER SA BAHAY OR HINDI KAYA MAG COMPUTER SA MGA SHOP. LALONG LALO NA ANG MGA MATATANDA.
    AT PARA NA RIN MABASA NG MGA MAGNANAKAW SA PALASYO.

    KASI KUNG DITO LANG AY TAYO TAYO LANG ANG NAKAKABASA AT HINDI NATIN MA IHAHATID ANG ATING DAMDAMIN SA IBANG TAO. ISULAT MO RIN ANG ANTI-ARROVO OR PRO-ARROVO. KATULAD SA AMERICA NA MAY ISANG PAHINA SILA NA ANG MGA LAMAN AY COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS PARA SA BAYAN OR LABAN PARA KAY BUSH. MAYROON RIN IYAN SA IBANG BANSA HINDI LANG SA AMERICA.
    SA GANOON AY MABABASA RIN NG MGA MAGNANAKAW SA PALASYO LALONG LALO NA SI PRES. GLU-RIA MAKAPAL ARROVO ALYAS KUMANDER IN CHEAT-A.

  16. a de brux a de brux

    Media Release
    March 5, 2006
    Posted by DiYumu Yuko

    Filipinos in Japan March in Tokyo, Call for GMA’s Ouster!

    Chanting anti-government slogans, and calling the incumbent, Gloria M. Arroyo, “nisemono no daitoryo, dorobo” (fake president, thief), around 70 migrant Filipinos and their Japanese supporters marched through Shibuya, Tokyo’s business district, to condemn rampant violation of human rights in the Philippines, and to demand the immediate ouster of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

    Led by three of the biggest Filipino organizations in Japan, namely the Kalipunan ng mga Filipinong Nagkakaisa (KAFIN), Philippine Women’s League of Japan (PWLJ), and Filipina Circle for Advancement and Progress (FICAP), and Migrante – Japan, the group first stopped at the Philippine Embassy in Tokyo where they gave embassy officials a joint letter to protest President Arroyo’s recent acts of violence and terrorism against Filipinos demanding her immediate ouster.

    Bearing anti-Arroyo streamers and placards, the group chanted anti-Arroyo slogans, and spoke against the ills and crimes of her government at the main entrance of the embassy where a throng of Filipinos are lined up for the usual Sunday consular services. Also, the group demanded the immediate and unconditional release of Rep. Crispin Beltran who was charged by the Arroyo government of inciting to sedition based on a two-decades-old arrest warrant, and to denounce threats by Mrs. Arroyo herself to ran after and punish “destabilizers” and coup plotters which the group say bare similarities to Marcos’ own brand of terrorism during the Martial Law years.

    Then, the group massed up at Ebisu Park where they held a media conference before proceeding with their symbolic march through Shibuya District. Accosted by some 30 police and civilian agents, the marchers braved the erratic cold winter weather in Tokyo, again chanting anti-Arroyo slogans while displaying colorful placards bearing GMA wa Hantai! (OUST GMA NOW!), NEVER AGAIN TO MARTIAL LAW!, and Respect Human Rights and Civil Liberties in the Philippines!, among many others. Heading the contingent was a life-sized effigy of one of Arroyo’s human rights victims cuddled by a woman clad in a traditional Filipina dress bearing colors of the Philippine flag, and a black veil to represent “Inang Bayan” (mother country). While marching, the protestors also demanded the Japanese government to withdraw support and STOP aid to the Arroyo government which they said is being used to kill Filipinos instead of uplifting their lives. The march lasted for about an hour, and ended at the crowded Shibuya Train Station where the group for the last time chanted anti-Arroyo slogans in Tagalog, English and Japanese.

    The day-long protest action was the first in Tokyo, and the entire Japan for that matter, in a long time. The group vows to unite other Filipinos in Japan to hold more protest actions until President Arroyo is ousted from her fake presidency.

    Other Filipino groups worldwide vow to follow suit. Emulating the examples of Filipinos in Japan, OFW groups the world over are sending feelers to governments where they reside to withdraw support and pressure the incumbent to resign.

    Filipinos in Japan, backed up by Japanese political lobbyists are scheduled to have a series of talks and meetings with officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in charge of Japan’s ODA, and members of the Japanese Diet to pressure the incumbent to resign, stop harrassing and intimidating her political opponents and critics, and guaranty all basic rights and freedoms as prescribed by the laws of the Philippines.

  17. bfronquillo bfronquillo

    Ang dapat bang gawin, Ellen, ay magpasalamat o mag-buntunghinininga?

    20 taon pagkatapos ng dalawang EDSA ay isang katotohanan lamang ang aking nakikita. Ang SISTEMA ay walang diperensiya bagkus ang nagpapatakbo nito ang siyang problema.

    Ang sabi-sabi ay wala naman daw ipapalit kay Gloria. Narinig ko rin iyan sa panahon ni Marcos. Maliban sa panahon ni Erap na ang tamang pamalit daw sabi nila ay si Gloria at ngayon ay sila rin ang sumisigaw na bumaba ito sapagkat nagkamali daw sila. Ano nga ba ang tutuo kuya? Wala na nga bang mabuting taong mapipili ang BAYANG MAGILIW AT PERLAS NG SILANGAN?

    Meron. Hindi mawawalan. Ang problema talaga ay ang mga taong nagpapatakbo ng SISTEMA ng paghahalal sa kaniya. PALITAN mo ang mga taong ito ng mga walang kikilingan at hindi mandaraya AT mayroong MALASAKIT sa bayan. At pagkatapos nating ihalal ay ating tanggapin ng walang pasubali sino man siya. At sundan ang direksiyong ituturo niya kung saan dapat pumunta ang bansa.

    Pero ang solusyon ni Gloria ay iba sapagkat gusto niyang palitan ang sistema sa pamamagitan ng pagsasayaw ng CHA-CHA na ang katambal niya ay ang mga taong namahala at nagpatakbo ng paghahalal sa kaniya. Pero hindi nga ang sistema ang problema kundi SIYA. Datapwa’t hindi mo naman MAPAALIS siya.

  18. Von Jovi, your suggestion is noted. One of these days, I ‘ll do it. In fact, i’ve done that a few times in the past.

    I like the suggestion of Manuel Buencamino and Manolo about using those detestable names in public places. I think I’ll use the name of the root cause of our problem:Gloria Arrovo or Gloria Pidal

  19. THANKS ELLEN,

    PERO INGAT KA KAY MANG ARTURO LOMIBAO KAPAL NG MUKHA AT MUKHANG PERA NA DAHIL SA M PABOR SA MGA AAROVO. SA ATIN LANG NANGYAYARI NA NAGKAKAROON NG BAGONG LAW AT FAVOR SA MGA MAGNANAKAW OR KAY GLURIA PIDAL.

  20. Kilala naman sila ng bayan, ng otsenta
    por siyento ayaw at nasusuklam kay gloria.
    yan mga alipores ng kadiliman mula kay
    bunye, ermita, defensor, jokejoke, lumibao.
    senga, esperon, mayuga, davide, panganibyan,
    alam naman natin na hindi sila nagiisa,
    maraming din nakikinabang sa kurakot nila:
    asawa, mga kabit, mga anak sa una, anak sa labas, mga magulang, mga kapitbahay, mga
    kaibigan – PUEDENG MAKIUSAP SA KANILA
    NA TULUNGAN NILA ANG MGA ALIPORES NI GLORIA
    NA BUMALIK SA MARANGAL NA PAMUMUHAY. PUEDENG
    SABIHIN SA KANILA NA MAHIYA SILA NA NAKIKINABANG, AT KUMAKAIN BINILI NG PERANG
    GALING SA NAKAW.

    PAPAANO BA MAHIHIKAYAT ANG MGA IYAN NA
    MAGKAROON NAMAN NG KAHIHIYAN. sA HALIP NA
    SI LUMIBAO, MGA ANAK NIYA ANG KATOKIN ANG
    KALOOBAN. ANONG SAY NINYO? PUEDE GAWAN ITO
    NG TAKTIKA TULAD, NG MGA RIBBONS, ETC.

  21. florry florry

    Ellen I agree with you . ,Again and again ingat ka lang lagi ok?
    Sana mag-rally lahat ang College and University students para
    mapatalsik na yang salot na pekeng gov’t nyo . I mean gobyerno natin.
    Thanks,
    Florry

  22. Ngayon na sinabi ng Supreme Court na unconstiutional ang 1017, paano ang naging biktima nito? Di ba dapat panagutan ng pasimuno nito?

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